The cent 7/1 second gun is something that made a lot more sense back in the day as the British heavies and mediums shared a lot of modules like the engines, radios and guns. The cavernarvon (idk if I spelt that right) had that 20pdr B gun so a lot of people got it for free when they played cent 7/1. When WG removed that gun of caern they should of removed it off cent too
Vstab/IRM on 7/1 is ballsy, especially since it has worse dispersion in the turret than on move/traverse, which IRM doesn't help with. I have this problem with every Centurion tank, but I constantly have internal module issues. Very common to lose a combo of track, ammo rack, driver and loader in a single shot. It's one of the few tanks where I use Survival Improvement Suite and large Medkit (for passive crew health). I play 7/1 like a Leo PTA when bottom tier and a heavy when top tier. I never trust the armor, but 210mm HESH pen is enough to spank a lot of heavies and mediums at T7-8. 268 APCR isn't enough to deal with tough armor at T10 and most T10 gold lolpens the turret/upper hull, so I play more passively.
@@ff-klaw1375This is a popular misconception about IRM. It only improves dispersion on turret traverse NOMINALLY. Yes, the number might go down a little when you look at tanks gg. In reality, because your turret turns faster (and thus has a higher net displacement), your gun actually blooms MORE than if you weren't using IRM at all. That's why it's very niche and used only on tanks with bad hull traverse (Bourrasque, some casemate TDs) and TDs with awful dispersion modifiers AND relatively slow turret traverse that can't use vstabs (Grille 15, Conway, FV4005). If you're not sure how the math works. it's an old video, but 13Disciple has a good explainer on how gun handling works. He posts the formula in his video. I'm posting them below: The formula for bloom is as follows: Bloom = base dispersion * penalty The formula for penalty is as follows: Penalty = √(1 + Hull^2 + Rotation^2 + Turret^2 + Firing^2) Hull: speed (kph) * 0.15 Rotation: degrees/sec * 0.15 Turret: degrees/sec * 0.12 Degrees/sec is the amount of distance your tank or turret traverses. Faster it moves, the more you bloom. That's why you'll sometimes see people hit R once to poke a corner at low speed and shoot. If they went any faster, the bloom would increase significantly more. IRM is so bad on most tanks that it actually hurts your overall gun handling by causing more bloom via faster rotation of the hull and turret. This is also why people pick IAU to help with dispersion. Nominally, IAU only improves base dispersion, not the bloom penalty. However, your actual real dispersion is the base dispersion * penalty, so a lower base dispersion actually impacts the degree of influence bloom has on your gun handling.
next time i would love to see the battle hits when u talking about like in this example with cent 7/1 that t95 is probably able to autopen ur side, to actually see if this is true and not to stop the vid and look at it by yourself
I guess top of cent ax turret is around 200mm straight on and gets stronger but not by much at angle. I didn't really catch that until I saw that IS 4 pen yours. Nice games!
On the centurion 1 I found it SUPER annoying that any penetration would damage my ammorack so I slapped lvl2 experimental hardening and have found it MUCH better to play. My plan now is to grind out the rest of centurion 1 and speed run 7/1 with blueprints and a little free xp 😢
@@iyouxin Update: I have unlocked top turret and gun and I realised it's the charioteer gun but better. I'm enjoying the tank way more than I thought and I will be grinding out field mods for it :) Before your F2P grind I would've just spent free xp to unlock the top gun but I managed to do it without spending any! (with the help of premium days). It wasn't as bad as I thought and I saved a huge chunk of free xp that will go towards the next assembly shop tank. Thanks Iyouxin 👍
IRM on Cent? Can someone finally explain is it even useful for gun handling? Some people use it as extra stab, and some people say it doesnt do anything for gun as extra stabilization is just used to compensate for extra rotation speed you get and it evens out?
@@ff-klaw1375 what I mean is, that it gives you extra stabilization, which should improve your gun handling, but in reality, because it also increases your tank/ turret rotation speed, you also get bigger reticle bloom and your supposed improved stabilization is gone
You are right, it increases your rotational speed, but if you go smart about it, move only turret or use cruise mode to pick behind the cover the bloom is not gonna be as big.
dude, this tech tree is so much fun! I'm so glad I went for your recommendation. Cromwell and Comet are just insane! I'll definitely manage to unlock the first Centurion today. Hopefully I'll get to the tier X before the discounts go away :D EDIT: We rage in a very similar way :D
@@Belsnikel Granted, I'm a new player and the medium tank playstyle doesn't really suit me yet. I'm currently getting the best results with tanks like T29.
@@michalsvihla1403 ha! I started playing on the 30th of June :D first branch I started grinding was S. Conqueror branch. I don't know if you know that, but Churchill I and Churchill VII are the f****** worst, man. slow AF, very week armor, shitty gun. at least in my opinion. the fact that I was an absolute noob might have played a role too :) so, switching to Cromwell, which was fast beyond measure comparing to Churchills, felt like a breath of fresh air. the only thing I learnt while playing Churchills was how to outplay a slow heavy tank in a fast medium tank, cause they've done it to me so many times. same goes for tank destroyers with no turret. I was making a lot of mistakes too but watching players like Iyouxin or skill4ltu or quickybaby taught me sooooo much. You just need practice. I bet you're just used to a different playstyle
No, it’s just confirmation bias. You think you’re low rolling a lot so you only notice the damage when it low rolls and ignore all the times you get an average or high roll
I hate that good aiming and good positioning is not rewarded in this game. You can aim however well you can and be in a good hull down position, but then you get cupola penned by an enemy tank with bad gun stats while you miss fully aimed shells. I enjoy RNG sometimes but now it just feels like every shot is a gamble.
The best tank is the one you are confident with and know how to use...my tier 9 Heavy Tank VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. B has been able to outplay Maus and E100 on numerous occasions simply because they didn't know how to play their tank but I have been rocked by tier 8 T28 prototype with a tanker who obviously had a tonne more skill than I did lol and as their reload was down around 8 seconds while mine is around 12 seconds with the big gun. like 2900 dpm verse my mere 2300 dpm.
Very humble opinion - Cent 7/1 > Cent AX I just dont get making tank with armor which actually dont have armor Also one of these accurate but actually inaccurate tank
Imo isnt worth it. Tier 9 and 10 are good but the rest of the tree is just a pure comedy with 120-220 per hit and no armor. Unless u can skip some of this pain with gold or schemes
I cant stand cent VII even when top, the gun has 0.28 dispersion, but it aims forever and then still misses everything, idk, defender on the move shoots more accurate than this tank :D hope AX is better
oh boy, here we go again, Iyoxin sometimes sets a bad example to all the noobs out there. do NOT play cromwell with that gun. but who am I, right? well, play it then and then test the other gun and see for yourself. sigh...
If you actually watched the video, you would know that he said that he prefers the other gun but uses the derp to damage modules for missions :) please watch the video before acting like he is trying to lead people astray.
The cent 7/1 second gun is something that made a lot more sense back in the day as the British heavies and mediums shared a lot of modules like the engines, radios and guns. The cavernarvon (idk if I spelt that right) had that 20pdr B gun so a lot of people got it for free when they played cent 7/1. When WG removed that gun of caern they should of removed it off cent too
I miss the old days of shared modules. Used to encourage players to try different trees and rewarded you by shortening stock grinds as well.
I had a white hair at tier 9 till I got the final gun, really a pain in the ass with 230 gun
love the effort you put in your videos
34:25 The T95 top gun is bigger and larger overall compared to the tank itself.
Your reaction after the tiger maus shot 😂😂😂😂 i love it 🎉
i m on a 2 hour bus trip and this video came right at the perfect moment!
Vstab/IRM on 7/1 is ballsy, especially since it has worse dispersion in the turret than on move/traverse, which IRM doesn't help with. I have this problem with every Centurion tank, but I constantly have internal module issues. Very common to lose a combo of track, ammo rack, driver and loader in a single shot. It's one of the few tanks where I use Survival Improvement Suite and large Medkit (for passive crew health).
I play 7/1 like a Leo PTA when bottom tier and a heavy when top tier. I never trust the armor, but 210mm HESH pen is enough to spank a lot of heavies and mediums at T7-8. 268 APCR isn't enough to deal with tough armor at T10 and most T10 gold lolpens the turret/upper hull, so I play more passively.
But IRM works for turret dispersion as well, based on tanks gg
@@ff-klaw1375This is a popular misconception about IRM. It only improves dispersion on turret traverse NOMINALLY. Yes, the number might go down a little when you look at tanks gg. In reality, because your turret turns faster (and thus has a higher net displacement), your gun actually blooms MORE than if you weren't using IRM at all. That's why it's very niche and used only on tanks with bad hull traverse (Bourrasque, some casemate TDs) and TDs with awful dispersion modifiers AND relatively slow turret traverse that can't use vstabs (Grille 15, Conway, FV4005).
If you're not sure how the math works. it's an old video, but 13Disciple has a good explainer on how gun handling works. He posts the formula in his video. I'm posting them below:
The formula for bloom is as follows:
Bloom = base dispersion * penalty
The formula for penalty is as follows:
Penalty = √(1 + Hull^2 + Rotation^2 + Turret^2 + Firing^2)
Hull: speed (kph) * 0.15
Rotation: degrees/sec * 0.15
Turret: degrees/sec * 0.12
Degrees/sec is the amount of distance your tank or turret traverses. Faster it moves, the more you bloom. That's why you'll sometimes see people hit R once to poke a corner at low speed and shoot. If they went any faster, the bloom would increase significantly more.
IRM is so bad on most tanks that it actually hurts your overall gun handling by causing more bloom via faster rotation of the hull and turret. This is also why people pick IAU to help with dispersion. Nominally, IAU only improves base dispersion, not the bloom penalty. However, your actual real dispersion is the base dispersion * penalty, so a lower base dispersion actually impacts the degree of influence bloom has on your gun handling.
Holy shit. David Goggins of wot mechanics
cent 7/1 stock is nothing when you compare it to the wz120 stock grind. That thing is ridiculous
next time i would love to see the battle hits when u talking about like in this example with cent 7/1 that t95 is probably able to autopen ur side, to actually see if this is true and not to stop the vid and look at it by yourself
This is going to be a good video! I like this tank but I would still rank my favorite T10 Medium to the E50M
Very good video helped me so muc:)
You should make videos of the differents tech trees
I guess top of cent ax turret is around 200mm straight on and gets stronger but not by much at angle. I didn't really catch that until I saw that IS 4 pen yours. Nice games!
it's a tea time again ☕
Quality video as always (McCheesy)
Legend!
Thanks ! Its the Comet that's driving me crazy :( Think its the low Alpha that throws my Brain all wacky :)
wanna be focused by arty more then a maus? take the cent ax , sidenote tho its really fun apart from the point mentioned before
It's a good vechile but for some reason my shells drop in the ground a lot. Using exp turbo, hp, rammer
Would you be able to do obj. 430 U tech tree showcase please?
Sure, once it's top of the tree 🎄
On the centurion 1 I found it SUPER annoying that any penetration would damage my ammorack so I slapped lvl2 experimental hardening and have found it MUCH better to play. My plan now is to grind out the rest of centurion 1 and speed run 7/1 with blueprints and a little free xp 😢
Noooo, 7/1 it's so much fun. Don't do that
@@iyouxin Update: I have unlocked top turret and gun and I realised it's the charioteer gun but better. I'm enjoying the tank way more than I thought and I will be grinding out field mods for it :)
Before your F2P grind I would've just spent free xp to unlock the top gun but I managed to do it without spending any! (with the help of premium days). It wasn't as bad as I thought and I saved a huge chunk of free xp that will go towards the next assembly shop tank. Thanks Iyouxin 👍
thanks bro, i asked for this in chat
Love when u play this tank
IRM on Cent? Can someone finally explain is it even useful for gun handling? Some people use it as extra stab, and some people say it doesnt do anything for gun as extra stabilization is just used to compensate for extra rotation speed you get and it evens out?
on TanksGG it says Rotation mechanism works for turret, since I remember
@@ff-klaw1375 what I mean is, that it gives you extra stabilization, which should improve your gun handling, but in reality, because it also increases your tank/ turret rotation speed, you also get bigger reticle bloom and your supposed improved stabilization is gone
You are right, it increases your rotational speed, but if you go smart about it, move only turret or use cruise mode to pick behind the cover the bloom is not gonna be as big.
nice gun, that RNG said not hit anything.😂😂
dude, this tech tree is so much fun! I'm so glad I went for your recommendation. Cromwell and Comet are just insane! I'll definitely manage to unlock the first Centurion today. Hopefully I'll get to the tier X before the discounts go away :D
EDIT: We rage in a very similar way :D
Man, idk how you do it, but Cromwell and Comet are actual garbage. Completely unplayable.
@@michalsvihla1403 really? I absolutely adore them. but it's me. I love Object 416 too :D
@@Belsnikel Granted, I'm a new player and the medium tank playstyle doesn't really suit me yet. I'm currently getting the best results with tanks like T29.
@@michalsvihla1403 ha! I started playing on the 30th of June :D first branch I started grinding was S. Conqueror branch. I don't know if you know that, but Churchill I and Churchill VII are the f****** worst, man. slow AF, very week armor, shitty gun. at least in my opinion. the fact that I was an absolute noob might have played a role too :) so, switching to Cromwell, which was fast beyond measure comparing to Churchills, felt like a breath of fresh air. the only thing I learnt while playing Churchills was how to outplay a slow heavy tank in a fast medium tank, cause they've done it to me so many times. same goes for tank destroyers with no turret. I was making a lot of mistakes too but watching players like Iyouxin or skill4ltu or quickybaby taught me sooooo much. You just need practice. I bet you're just used to a different playstyle
top tier video
yea this tech tree is pain until you basically finish it, then it becomes amazing
Would you say, that Cent7/1 is better than CentAX?
No
I realised that the HESH dmg with penetration with Cent7 is always low rolling... is this some bug in the game or what?
are you sure its fully penning?
No, it’s just confirmation bias.
You think you’re low rolling a lot so you only notice the damage when it low rolls and ignore all the times you get an average or high roll
I hate that good aiming and good positioning is not rewarded in this game. You can aim however well you can and be in a good hull down position, but then you get cupola penned by an enemy tank with bad gun stats while you miss fully aimed shells. I enjoy RNG sometimes but now it just feels like every shot is a gamble.
The best tank is the one you are confident with and know how to use...my tier 9 Heavy Tank VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. B has been able to outplay Maus and E100 on numerous occasions simply because they didn't know how to play their tank but I have been rocked by tier 8 T28 prototype with a tanker who obviously had a tonne more skill than I did lol and as their reload was down around 8 seconds while mine is around 12 seconds with the big gun. like 2900 dpm verse my mere 2300 dpm.
Very humble opinion - Cent 7/1 > Cent AX
I just dont get making tank with armor which actually dont have armor
Also one of these accurate but actually inaccurate tank
Imo isnt worth it. Tier 9 and 10 are good but the rest of the tree is just a pure comedy with 120-220 per hit and no armor. Unless u can skip some of this pain with gold or schemes
They are going to remove many guns from tech trees in 1.26.
only for americans.
125 HZ -10 DB pls
Hey guys, is there any way to find out how many tanks I destroyed by ramming...in this case with IS7
No metric like this exist
iyouxin
If wargaming ever nerf the centurion I'm going to nerf their premium so to make it fair >l:(
I cant stand cent VII even when top, the gun has 0.28 dispersion, but it aims forever and then still misses everything, idk, defender on the move shoots more accurate than this tank :D hope AX is better
It is much better! Trust
Gold ammo ruined the tier 8-10 for me, centurion 5/1 premium is the best centurion IMO.
AX gold is good tho?
Actually Centurion is not that bad but gun is bad there is t44 is also bad tank 190mm pen gun
No ! Tree is not fun, The AX is fun, centurion 1 is torment
121b is etter
6-7-8 tiers shit
oh boy, here we go again, Iyoxin sometimes sets a bad example to all the noobs out there. do NOT play cromwell with that gun. but who am I, right? well, play it then and then test the other gun and see for yourself. sigh...
If you actually watched the video, you would know that he said that he prefers the other gun but uses the derp to damage modules for missions :) please watch the video before acting like he is trying to lead people astray.
Only ladieboys gonna answer this comment
That's definetly skill issue.
No you don't, skill issue
@@mucahit8476 still skill issue
@@durachoks ahh you are the third ladieboy