@@bobbaumsteiger7432 they added a FA, put a player on IR and added 2 others to the 53 (that wasnt, clearly, a kicker). So, we had 53 and no space for a kicker.
Shaun you are so wrong if your giving Brian burns a pass for today. His play has been INEXCUSABLE to start the season, he’s getting paid so much money TO DO NOTHING!!!!
Well said, it isn’t like this hasn’t happened before. And last year vs the Jets they made every excuse under the sun for why Gano was allowed to play despite being injured. They didn’t learn a damn, and of course what do we hear from Daboll today, more BS excuses and sickening arrogance.
John Mera is the root of all the Giants problems. Fire the coaching staff and you still have the Mera family making stupid decisdions. Daniel jones need to be benched so we are not paying him next year when he gets injured.
Thank you!!!! I've said many times in these last few years... that the Maras need to give the Tisch family more control of football operations. I blame the whole Daniel Jones situation solely on Mara. he should have never said that "we've done everything to screw this guy up" that quote cost the Giants about 3 years!! Go Giants!!
DJ couldn’t complete one ball in the air over 11 yards and you want to give him flowers?!? This is the problem with the Gmen media and fans. What an absolute joke!!!!
At this point im 100% off Dabol. His terrible playcalling for 2 seasons. Enough 2 tight end sets and running for 2 yards. His lack of using his skill players. Where is jalin hyatt? Weller retired. Trash coaching. Then the whole wink Martindale situation. Thats a mismanagement of staff in addition to all his other issues.
Commanders fan here; wishing you all the best of luck. I won't weigh in on which staffing issue should be your priority but I can definitely say I've been there before and know it's incredibly difficult. Hope you guys work things out; the plight of certain teams in the NFC East has been so severe that, even though we have to be competitive and objectively our long-term interests are not aligned, it's easy to empathize with your situation. Good luck. P.S. Maybe one day, post Prescott & Hurts, we'll have an inversion of the circumstances and it'll be the Cowboys & Eagles who are struggling.
Other than symbolic reasoning, why should we want Belichick, and why should Bill want the Giants? Bill wants Schula's record and to win another ring w/o Tom. Bill is not doing the above here, unless he coaches here for another 4 years, and he'll be 73 at the start of the 2025 season.
Dont even mention Daniel Jones anymore. We all know this is his last season. He was not good this game vs washington. he didnt play bad but he didnt play well either. he missed deep throws was 16/28 thats not lighting it up. and this was against washington.
I don’t even care at this point man, which is pretty sad. I’m 35 now so I’ve seen a lot of good runs. I’m OK with the Giants being terrible and getting a quarterback next year. I don’t even care.
Losing because of dumb coaching decision of not being precautious is the perfect way for me to check out and hope for complete change for next year. Pathetic
Because of the LBs and Safeties not reading the runs and being able to fundamentally tackle + the DL getting manhandled by the OL of the opposing team...other than that, they're fine
Very dissapointed in Joe Schoen. He has missed with Neal and Thibs plays with no desire. He trades for a pass rusher that is overwhelmed in the run game. Giants are starting Chatman and years ago it was Leonard Williams and Lawrenwce. Giants defense will get run over all year long. Get used to it. Cant wait for Saquon to run for 200 yards against this run defense. Bring in the Hoodie and hopefully Nick Caserio. Maras owes us this.
Our team identity is for speed based on shoen’s preference. With the exception of dexter, our line backers and corners are on the faster/LIGHTER side and Robinson is a BEAST and runs through lighter dudes! Our Defense gives up a lot of YAC to bigger dudes like Debo and Robinson etc… Also, what a joke to have the identity to have fast guys w a qb that is opposite of team identity who is so slow to process.
Jones had a pedestrian day and if the redskins would’ve scored tds it would’ve been a blow out and the outcome would’ve looked horrible for Danny dumps
No man DJ doesn’t get a pass because next week he’s going to get killed stop. They all either have to go or start all over and keep Daboll and Shane. Give them a shot to start all over again. Nobody wants to come here. Organization sucks man.
@@thomasgallagher7092 True...but the guy is a Scottish Rugby player who IS a good punter...a couple of actual hols and place drill in the net and he makes these kicks
The real question is: DO YOU ADTUALKY TRUST ANYONE IN CHARGE OF THIS FRANCHISE TO PICK THE RIGHT GUY AT THE TOP OF THE DRAFT?!?!?! Bc I sure don’t. Just look at the last decade of draft picks…how many are still with the team? Compare that to the rest of the league. Let’s get a bit more specific and a lot more relevant; look at the first round draft picks in the last decade (trigger warning): - David Wilson, 30th (remember him? Injured after one year and never played again) - Justin Pugh, 19th (sucked with us, left and was serviceable with other teams, then came back and sucked again) - Ereck Flowers, 9th (😂) -OBJ, 12th (was very good for us, but was a freaking diva who couldn’t handle being a star in this city and whined his way to mediocrity) - Eli Apple, 10th - Evan Engram, 23rd - Saquon, 2nd (was decent for us, but look at the total production averaged over five years and its average…more importantly, we never should have picked him second) - Daniel Jones, 6th (legitimately set this franchise back at least a half decade) - Deandre Baker, 30th (got arrested, never played for us again) - Kadarius Toney, 20th - Kayvon Thibedeux, 5th (already kinda looking like a bust, at the most he’s extremely inconsistent) - Evan Neal, 7th (definitely a bust) - Deonte Banks, 24th (not the lockdown corner he claims to be) - Malik Nabers, 6th (OBJ II? Looks talented, but I feel it’s a matter of time before he gets arrested for playing with guns AGAIN, or he diva’s his way out of town) NO TEAM CAN BE SUCCESSFUL WHEN 90+% of their first round draft picks are busts….
And bad penalties ( phantom fouls etc) are often called on lousy teams. It’s as though the refs can’t believe a bad team can make a high quality play, so they throw a flag. The giants had two ridiculous calls against them which kept Washington drives alive, and influenced the game outcome.
Ohkaaaay here we go, look I like micha just as much as the next person for his heart and character but all he does is get in on almost every play but he sticks and never wraps good enough to make open field tackles!!!! It drives me NUTS I know it’s coming at least a couple times a day.
The NY Giants are the Florida Marlins of the NFL…yes they won championships…but otherwise they just suck all the time…well the Florida Marlins with a massive ego…
They scored 18 points and Jones threw for less than 200 yards against arguably the worst defense in the league and you guys are throwing bouquets? Fine, let's just give Jones 800 billion per year and name him emperor for life. Giants fans are pathetic.
No ones throwing bouquets. He had a decent game but as we know about him he’s not good enough to elevate the entire team. This loss isn’t on him not even close and I’m very critical of Jones
Smh how much lower are you all gonna lower the bar for jones?? It’s been 6 years get him tf outtta town he couldn’t even beat 1 the team he always beats fire daboll and shoen too
I really like Shaun and his insights. Appreciate that he’s passionate but still rational in his analysis. If you want this to be a great podcast, Brice has to be less Chicken Little and the sky is falling and come up with more thoughtful commentary about things. Maybe grandiose declarations are good for clicks, but educated football fans want to listen and talk about problems and solutions rather than extreme end of the world rants. Good job Shaun laying out the kicker issue being a bad mistake and a bad look, but ultimately statistical advantage and that the defense was the true issue.
Not getting a kicker cost them a game that couldve turned things around in the locker room. From not playing simmons to fumbling barkley now this. Its all falling apart.
to your point on the would-be 20-18 lead though, if they had kicked the 46 yrd field goal instead of the third TD it would've left enough time on the clock for a final drive.
Exactly! Dude has 1 decent game all is right in the world. Lol Just stop. This is the reason he got that big contract smh. Dude is trash and will always be trash. Giants fans stop getting fooled already.
Frustrating but Malik looks for real. My expectations were low so I'm not too upset. The team isn't doing much this year sadly. At least they really improved... and still lost lol. How do we get Arch Manning in a couple of years. Thats where I'm at now.
The best thing about Malik is that he was devastated he and took full responsibility in the post-game. The guy WANTS to perform and win. He will be a Pro-Bowler/All-Pro
As a Washington fan, I think Gano has always had that issue. Even with us, which is why we let him go when he kicked for us. I don’t believe the issue with the giants is the head coach but your GM. If you’re gonna ride with DJ you have to set him up for success with what he’s good at. Would love to see the giants use more motion in their offense.
To discuss this game in lieu of the ensuing onslaught coming? is a waste of time.... the 2024 season is totally over. 85% of this team is going to turnover.
You don’t know that on the Wandale drive.. because they played 3rd down for 4th down conversion.. so if we had a kicker, we throw past the sticks on 3rd down.. not saying we convert, be could have
Ah the ONLY way to enjoy anything on the FAN. Listening live to the Fan is absolute torture. It is about 50/50 between content and commercials. It has literally gotten so bad I have deleted WFAN from my Audacy.
What a mess. But people got their expectations way too high after 2022. That season was a mirage. They won many games that they shouldn’t have and were outscored during the regular season. We’re very lucky to make the postseason. Last year, people were talking crazy as they didn’t look at 2022 closely. Of course they regressed to the mean and this year is even worse. I thought 6 wins this year and it looks like I was generous.
The way thing is going, is it possible that fate might steer another Manning to the Giants draft board? Arch looks pretty good and he may sit again if Ewers is ok. Which is a positive because he won’t be beat up, he’ll just need reps and surely Payton & Eli can get him up to speed. Just throwing it out there.
1000% right...Gillan can make them and would've made 2 PATs and a 40 yd FG for the win...Bad longshot decisions by Daboll...Even if Nabers catches it, you still had to score a TD + failing on both 2 pt conversion tries
One Day It’s Fire Joe Keep Daboll Then Next Day It’s Fire Daboll Keep Joe .. We Doomed 😂 But Tbh I Feel This The Best Draft Class Joe Has Put Together Since He’s Been Here Including UDFAs
I kinda feel they are also deliberately tanking while making it look like they are kinda competitive, its either complete incompetence by joe or something sneaky is going on
The real problem is that football coaches, in general, have very little respect for kickers, even though NFL kickers are responsible for a high % of total points scored in any given game... Daboll needed to let Gillan attempt the two additional PATs and the 40 yd FG at the end...Gillan is an accomplished Scottish Rugby player...A couple of warm-ups into net with a live holder AFTER his missed PAT and he makes all three kicks and Giants WIN....!! But, Daboll went with low % 2 pt conversions and 4th & 4 which, even if the 4th and 4 was successful, would have still required the Giants to get it in the endzone with very little time left from around the 25 yard line if Nabers doesn't drop it...Even a LOWER % to score a TD in that situation....Sorry, gotta trust the only kicker you have in those situations...!!
Man, I love the Giants...But with all due respect man...all you talking heads blame everything on Daboll or Jones..man..some things are unforeseen. Jones shows he has some grit and looks like he has something...I saw something today. If he strings games like this in the future he may stay around. I respect you for giving Jones his flowers. We need to have an exorcist or something... man... talk about living in a perpetual state of Murphy's Law... I thought Groundhog Day started in February. Lean in on the positive. I am a bit forlorn this evening, but you know what, I love the team, so I will continue to roll with them. I disagree with your analysis this evening. Losses happen.
Anything is possible in the fixed league Giants score and still lost cuz the the national fixed still punishing the giants for winning those two Superbowls against they golden boy at the time brady
If gano was in we were winning idk what he’s talking about 😂 we were in so many field goal positions and the office would of played way more confident, if he was in we win 26-21
Listen,, please we had a franchise QB in Liam Thompson,,,that was on the team,,but no instead we would rather spend money,,, and I heard they was looking at Carson beck,,,he is just the same version of Liam Thompson,,,but LT is better all day all way,,, plus we can get him back for little or nothing,, and he knows our system,,,if not then it's thank you Joe and BD,, for giving away our team and family,,,they will make us tank they all ready have started,,, and as long as we can't get that O-line fix no one is safe in the backfield,,, and that's fact's,,,we can draft and it won't mean nothing if we can't protect anybody,,, bottom line,,,we can get Liam Thompson,,back for cheap and still be able to fight for a Superbowl spot next year or tank out and throw away money,,,GO G-MEN,¡¡!!¡!!
Horrible take saying this was the most statistically improbable loss in nfl history just because washington self-destructed in the red zone. They were outgained by 120 yards, allowed over 6 yards per carry, and were by no means the better team. Statistically improbable losses are when teams lose when they outgain the other team by a wide margin. In this case, the team with washington's stats in this game are suppoaed to bet a team with the giants stats 80%+ of the time
everything that has happened the last 3 seasons is centric on Coaching Staffing decisions and our ability or non ability to manage a Below average at best QB and WE SIGNED Him. Arrogance has pulled the wool over Maras eyes again and once again the house will be cleaned of this. Insanely disappointing. Dabol keeps finding ways to set the team up for failure. The players and talent level itself is better than it looks ( although every year we have a bad glaring hole and this year it is CB2 ). Its the coaching fuck ups that hold it back. NEWS FLASH YOU NEED A KICKER TO WIN GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shane Bowen was a bad hire I just knew it. This soft as cupcake defense blows and when you watcfh replays you will see is in what looks like prevent defense on 3rd and 9 just Handing them first downs. By Nature it will work better in the red zone but this is disgusting and a good team would have put up 30+ points easy. We did some blitzes in the 1st half those were working ( just Daniels is slippery like an eel ) but the second we did not blitze we got cooked like a Salmon and we did not have enough in the box to stop the run.
28:00 yes absolutely we already went through this in the 2018 draft we got saquon Barkley but could have had Mayfield. Yes 2018 was a 4 pack of garbage QB's but I would much rather have Mayfield than Barkley.
Does anyone know why a punter who kicks the ball for a living cannot make a field goal if needed? is it a contract issue, if you kick the ball why don't they have the punter practice field goals should they be needed in an emergency? It's not like a player playing offense and defense, a punter should be able to kick a 35-yard field goal for God sake.
He CAN....Daboll needed to give him the ball...So what if he missed on PAT...?? The Giants lost anyway doing it Daboll's way...Think about it...What is a better %, going for 2 pt conversions twice and 4th & 4 (still needing a TD even if Nabers didn't drop it), or letting a Scottish Rugby player, who already demonstrated his ability to hit FGs in real games + practices, kick normally? No comparison in terms of statistical probabilities...Gillan could have even missed a second PAT and the Giants still could have won...!!
Wat worries me is we thought we had a gm and a good coach i dint think schoen has drafted well at all 2 top ten picks u have to hit on even his other picks arent that impactful.. with daboll im sharting to think maybe it was just a one year were evwrything broke right
If your kicker is injured, how do you not have a back up kicker ready to go? That literally cost them the game. Inexcusable!!!!
It should’ve been a blowout. The Giants defense allowed Jayden to drive down the field 7 times.
i thought they only had 51 on roster
@@bobbaumsteiger7432 they added a FA, put a player on IR and added 2 others to the 53 (that wasnt, clearly, a kicker). So, we had 53 and no space for a kicker.
Especially when this same issue bit them in the ass late last season…the rumors he’s trying to get canned seem less crazy now honestly
Hey all: what does “inexcusable” mean?
When you walk into work and get told your job performance was “inexcusable” what happens next?
Daboll is to blame for this loss. Fire this guy now
Typical dumb Giant fan. Misplaced blame.
Amazing how far Daboll has fallen
@@Dobbs65 Bills still have had top ten offenses without Daboll. U make a very strong argument.
What's amazing is how wildly he overperformed in 2022.
@@Dobbs65 Eagles fan here, that may be true, but Josh Allen hasn't even been to a SB, so to me he's still overrated...
DJ is a coach killer.
He reminds me of Mangini after the 2006 season for the Jets
We were so.poorly prepared for this season.. Week1 we looked terrible.. unorganized..
This is also on Daboll
Shaun you are so wrong if your giving Brian burns a pass for today. His play has been INEXCUSABLE to start the season, he’s getting paid so much money TO DO NOTHING!!!!
You’re
@@TL2354 how original
We should keep our expectations a lot higher than “did he play well against WASHINGTON”
When I think of the Giants organization, I think of that line “ ignorance can be fixed ; stupidity is forever
Well said, it isn’t like this hasn’t happened before. And last year vs the Jets they made every excuse under the sun for why Gano was allowed to play despite being injured. They didn’t learn a damn, and of course what do we hear from Daboll today, more BS excuses and sickening arrogance.
@@2jayput that is the pig headed arrogant Daboll I remember from Buffalo
Fire Daboll and Schoen immediately!
How about we fire your mom instead?
Then what?
Bill Belichick is champing at the bit to have both jobs.
Bill without Brady? No thanks
@Landis_Grant Belichick is done he doesn't have Tom Brady to make him look good
John Mera is the root of all the Giants problems. Fire the coaching staff and you still have the Mera family making stupid decisdions. Daniel jones need to be benched so we are not paying him next year when he gets injured.
Mara?
Thank you!!!!
I've said many times in these last few years... that the Maras need to give the Tisch family more control of football operations. I blame the whole Daniel Jones situation solely on Mara. he should have never said that "we've done everything to screw this guy up" that quote cost the Giants about 3 years!!
Go Giants!!
DJ couldn’t complete one ball in the air over 11 yards and you want to give him flowers?!? This is the problem with the Gmen media and fans. What an absolute joke!!!!
He overthrew Nabers on 5 passes. And he's getting time with a clean pocket. But he didn't score a TD for the other team, so... flowers.
Choosing the right type of flower could make all the difference.
Where is Hyatt? This is so frustrating to not know why he isn't being used.
At this point im 100% off Dabol. His terrible playcalling for 2 seasons. Enough 2 tight end sets and running for 2 yards.
His lack of using his skill players. Where is jalin hyatt? Weller retired. Trash coaching.
Then the whole wink Martindale situation. Thats a mismanagement of staff in addition to all his other issues.
Yeah wth happened to Hyatt?
Commanders fan here; wishing you all the best of luck. I won't weigh in on which staffing issue should be your priority but I can definitely say I've been there before and know it's incredibly difficult. Hope you guys work things out; the plight of certain teams in the NFC East has been so severe that, even though we have to be competitive and objectively our long-term interests are not aligned, it's easy to empathize with your situation. Good luck.
P.S. Maybe one day, post Prescott & Hurts, we'll have an inversion of the circumstances and it'll be the Cowboys & Eagles who are struggling.
I hate saying. 😥
HC Brian Daboll is a "one hit wonder coach". After that everything went down 👎. He could lose his job this year.
TWO games in and im thinking about the draft...??... Smh I'm tired of this team losing year after year
Hey keep your chin up!! We getting#1 pick!
@@davidjackson2832 True 😂 !! Not something i want to tip my hat on tho
bring in bill belichick
He does not have the GOAT QB Tom Brady as his security blanket. You have seen his coaching before and after Tom Brady.
Other than symbolic reasoning, why should we want Belichick, and why should Bill want the Giants? Bill wants Schula's record and to win another ring w/o Tom. Bill is not doing the above here, unless he coaches here for another 4 years, and he'll be 73 at the start of the 2025 season.
@@tonymyers1756 he was a part of a couple championships here tho
I would love to hire Bill but also if they can pry away one of his disciple
NOT the answer at all...He's old, he's cantankerous & he DOESN'T HAVE TOM BRADY anymore
Going to be interesting to see if the Giants can possibly figure out another way how to lose a game?
Dont even mention Daniel Jones anymore. We all know this is his last season. He was not good this game vs washington. he didnt play bad but he didnt play well either. he missed deep throws was 16/28 thats not lighting it up. and this was against washington.
What I saw was a problem with the defense. The skins scored on every possession just like the Vikings
I agree.
Look a the Giants schedule, 1-7 or 0-8 could be coming
Giants were 7-2 on Nov 13 2022 - since then...9-19-1. Ouch
DJ had the same game Aaron Rodgers yesterday, yet yall love Arod and yall still give Jones back handed compliments.....Unbelievable
I don’t even care at this point man, which is pretty sad. I’m 35 now so I’ve seen a lot of good runs. I’m OK with the Giants being terrible and getting a quarterback next year. I don’t even care.
Losing because of dumb coaching decision of not being precautious is the perfect way for me to check out and hope for complete change for next year. Pathetic
Why can’t they stop the run?
Because of the LBs and Safeties not reading the runs and being able to fundamentally tackle + the DL getting manhandled by the OL of the opposing team...other than that, they're fine
Where is Wink? It looks like Daboll lost this team, dj still looked down 1 recievers, he cant be a good player with a bad team(Washington)
Bills fan checking in.... how is Daboll working out for you guys? 🤣
Remember when everyone said Daboll made Allen?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
It's the other way around...Allen made BOTH Daboll & Schoen...Allen is the ONLY reason those guys were hired and now it's obvious
Who said that? Besides, y'all got other things to worry about like stop choking against the Chiefs.
Very dissapointed in Joe Schoen. He has missed with Neal and Thibs plays with no desire. He trades for a pass rusher that is overwhelmed in the run game. Giants are starting Chatman and years ago it was Leonard Williams and Lawrenwce. Giants defense will get run over all year long. Get used to it. Cant wait for Saquon to run for 200 yards against this run defense. Bring in the Hoodie and hopefully Nick Caserio. Maras owes us this.
Daboll is in over his head.
Our team identity is for speed based on shoen’s preference. With the exception of dexter, our line backers and corners are on the faster/LIGHTER side and Robinson is a BEAST and runs through lighter dudes! Our Defense gives up a lot of YAC to bigger dudes like Debo and Robinson etc…
Also, what a joke to have the identity to have fast guys w a qb that is opposite of team identity who is so slow to process.
Offense didnt score enough and defense sucked..coaching dumb. Whole team loss
Jones had a pedestrian day and if the redskins would’ve scored tds it would’ve been a blow out and the outcome would’ve looked horrible for Danny dumps
No man DJ doesn’t get a pass because next week he’s going to get killed stop. They all either have to go or start all over and keep Daboll and Shane. Give them a shot to start all over again. Nobody wants to come here. Organization sucks man.
How do you just SKIP an extra point? I mean, let ANYONE try it!
100%...I think Gillan makes all three additional attempts, the 2 PATs and a 40 yd FG
The extra point is now a 35 yard field goal so its not an automatic anymore
@@thomasgallagher7092 True...but the guy is a Scottish Rugby player who IS a good punter...a couple of actual hols and place drill in the net and he makes these kicks
He was hired to build a Quarterback and maintain a good team sorry he may not be the one for this organization 🤷🏻
These Sundays hurt is the truest statement. I'm so dejected and I can't believe we lost that game. That one broke my heart
if we cant beat commanders with a rookie qb, the rest of our schedule is doomed
The real question is: DO YOU ADTUALKY TRUST ANYONE IN CHARGE OF THIS FRANCHISE TO PICK THE RIGHT GUY AT THE TOP OF THE DRAFT?!?!?!
Bc I sure don’t. Just look at the last decade of draft picks…how many are still with the team? Compare that to the rest of the league. Let’s get a bit more specific and a lot more relevant; look at the first round draft picks in the last decade (trigger warning):
- David Wilson, 30th (remember him? Injured after one year and never played again)
- Justin Pugh, 19th (sucked with us, left and was serviceable with other teams, then came back and sucked again)
- Ereck Flowers, 9th (😂)
-OBJ, 12th (was very good for us, but was a freaking diva who couldn’t handle being a star in this city and whined his way to mediocrity)
- Eli Apple, 10th
- Evan Engram, 23rd
- Saquon, 2nd (was decent for us, but look at the total production averaged over five years and its average…more importantly, we never should have picked him second)
- Daniel Jones, 6th (legitimately set this franchise back at least a half decade)
- Deandre Baker, 30th (got arrested, never played for us again)
- Kadarius Toney, 20th
- Kayvon Thibedeux, 5th (already kinda looking like a bust, at the most he’s extremely inconsistent)
- Evan Neal, 7th (definitely a bust)
- Deonte Banks, 24th (not the lockdown corner he claims to be)
- Malik Nabers, 6th (OBJ II? Looks talented, but I feel it’s a matter of time before he gets arrested for playing with guns AGAIN, or he diva’s his way out of town)
NO TEAM CAN BE SUCCESSFUL WHEN 90+% of their first round draft picks are busts….
KT is ass at setting the edge. He let Daniels escape the outside on a huge play at the end.
The 2025 draft class for AB’s are not that great you will have to wait two more years for Arc Manning so what are we doing. Not every qb will pan out
Morash love on the fan glad you got a podcast and spot on.
And bad penalties ( phantom fouls etc) are often called on lousy teams. It’s as though the refs can’t believe a bad team can make a high quality play, so they throw a flag. The giants had two ridiculous calls against them which kept Washington drives alive, and influenced the game outcome.
This was a team loss, everyone contributed.
Moving on ...
I love WFAN! Bro FYI Justin Tuck 3rd round, Mario Manningham 3rd round, and Justin Hyatt 3rd round.
Ohkaaaay here we go, look I like micha just as much as the next person for his heart and character but all he does is get in on almost every play but he sticks and never wraps good enough to make open field tackles!!!! It drives me NUTS I know it’s coming at least a couple times a day.
The NY Giants are the Florida Marlins of the NFL…yes they won championships…but otherwise they just suck all the time…well the Florida Marlins with a massive ego…
They scored 18 points and Jones threw for less than 200 yards against arguably the worst defense in the league and you guys are throwing bouquets? Fine, let's just give Jones 800 billion per year and name him emperor for life. Giants fans are pathetic.
No ones throwing bouquets. He had a decent game but as we know about him he’s not good enough to elevate the entire team. This loss isn’t on him not even close and I’m very critical of Jones
@@Billuhhanks in the video they said they were giving Daniel a small bouquet
Facts
To these Dj lovers he is still tom brady in their eyes
Wait ...wait... does DJ play defense? How many times did they force the Commanders to punt and get off the field??😂😂
Im not even a Giants fan but apparently I can't get me enough of Shaun Morash 😅👏👏👍
Smh how much lower are you all gonna lower the bar for jones?? It’s been 6 years get him tf outtta town he couldn’t even beat 1 the team he always beats fire daboll and shoen too
How many players have they drafted that they sighned to a second contract smh
I really like Shaun and his insights. Appreciate that he’s passionate but still rational in his analysis. If you want this to be a great podcast, Brice has to be less Chicken Little and the sky is falling and come up with more thoughtful commentary about things. Maybe grandiose declarations are good for clicks, but educated football fans want to listen and talk about problems and solutions rather than extreme end of the world rants. Good job Shaun laying out the kicker issue being a bad mistake and a bad look, but ultimately statistical advantage and that the defense was the true issue.
Daboll is not a leader. A leader takes responsibility, as you said.
Today Jones had an offensive line and a running game
Don't worry next week you'll see the old Jones
And a loss cause he's the issue not the pieces around him
And wide receivers
@@markmatulic9905 and still lost no excuses he's a lame duck QB who knows he's done here
@kirkmorris4133 people are so happy that he through 180 yards like yeah big woop
Not getting a kicker cost them a game that couldve turned things around in the locker room. From not playing simmons to fumbling barkley now this. Its all falling apart.
to your point on the would-be 20-18 lead though, if they had kicked the 46 yrd field goal instead of the third TD it would've left enough time on the clock for a final drive.
Daniel Jones was STILL THE PROBLEM.
Of ALL the Giants yesterday, Jones had about the best game...I'm not a big Jones fan, but yesterday he did okay
Exactly! Dude has 1 decent game all is right in the world. Lol Just stop. This is the reason he got that big contract smh. Dude is trash and will always be trash. Giants fans stop getting fooled already.
Bouquets for DJ ?? Lol
Frustrating but Malik looks for real. My expectations were low so I'm not too upset. The team isn't doing much this year sadly. At least they really improved... and still lost lol.
How do we get Arch Manning in a couple of years. Thats where I'm at now.
The best thing about Malik is that he was devastated he and took full responsibility in the post-game. The guy WANTS to perform and win. He will be a Pro-Bowler/All-Pro
Danny doodoo needs to go. He played just ok against a not so good defense.
Do you want another win against Washington or your new QB? Did those wins last year bring you lasting joy? Shortsightedness.
Since the draft I've been praising Dru Phillips. I was told to temper my expectations. He's a machine people a tackling machine
As a Washington fan, I think Gano has always had that issue. Even with us, which is why we let him go when he kicked for us. I don’t believe the issue with the giants is the head coach but your GM. If you’re gonna ride with DJ you have to set him up for success with what he’s good at. Would love to see the giants use more motion in their offense.
Kickers are like oxygen .... not important .... unless you don't have any ...😲
What a sorry pathetic excuse of a franchise. Theyre directionless and hopeless.
To discuss this game in lieu of the ensuing onslaught coming? is a waste of time.... the 2024 season is totally over. 85% of this team is going to turnover.
You don’t know that on the Wandale drive.. because they played 3rd down for 4th down conversion.. so if we had a kicker, we throw past the sticks on 3rd down.. not saying we convert, be could have
Ah the ONLY way to enjoy anything on the FAN. Listening live to the Fan is absolute torture. It is about 50/50 between content and commercials. It has literally gotten so bad I have deleted WFAN from my Audacy.
Jones is terrible 😂😂😂
What a mess. But people got their expectations way too high after 2022. That season was a mirage. They won many games that they shouldn’t have and were outscored during the regular season. We’re very lucky to make the postseason. Last year, people were talking crazy as they didn’t look at 2022 closely. Of course they regressed to the mean and this year is even worse. I thought 6 wins this year and it looks like I was generous.
The way thing is going, is it possible that fate might steer another Manning to the Giants draft board? Arch looks pretty good and he may sit again if Ewers is ok. Which is a positive because he won’t be beat up, he’ll just need reps and surely Payton & Eli can get him up to speed. Just throwing it out there.
Thank you Morash
It is time to back the truck the GM the coach have shown this team is Heading in the wrong direction
NOOOOOOO Jamie Gilliham could kick 40-45 yarders let’s stop this he’s done it jus last year
December 17th no less 🤨
1000% right...Gillan can make them and would've made 2 PATs and a 40 yd FG for the win...Bad longshot decisions by Daboll...Even if Nabers catches it, you still had to score a TD + failing on both 2 pt conversion tries
@@stanfromwestport2024 exactly
Dj threw for less than 200 yards vs the worst pass defense in the league. The oline is solid and Nabers is a stud…. Dj is still not good.
He was plenty good enough today.
The Giants are a a football team for the ages. Dan Jones deserves another 40M. 😂
This kid's put on way of speaking is so eye roll inducing. Bro, this isn't first take. You can talk like a normal human being lol
The Giants will have a lot of Offensive Minds to pick from but since Mara stupidly played paying Burns, they might want to lean defense for once.
One Day It’s Fire Joe Keep Daboll Then Next Day It’s Fire Daboll Keep Joe .. We Doomed 😂 But Tbh I Feel This The Best Draft Class Joe Has Put Together Since He’s Been Here Including UDFAs
Its so sad im waiting for Knicks!!
Cowboys got crushed 😀
I kinda feel they are also deliberately tanking while making it look like they are kinda competitive, its either complete incompetence by joe or something sneaky is going on
Daboll is Joe judge 2.0 same stupidity
The real problem is that football coaches, in general, have very little respect for kickers, even though NFL kickers are responsible for a high % of total points scored in any given game... Daboll needed to let Gillan attempt the two additional PATs and the 40 yd FG at the end...Gillan is an accomplished Scottish Rugby player...A couple of warm-ups into net with a live holder AFTER his missed PAT and he makes all three kicks and Giants WIN....!! But, Daboll went with low % 2 pt conversions and 4th & 4 which, even if the 4th and 4 was successful, would have still required the Giants to get it in the endzone with very little time left from around the 25 yard line if Nabers doesn't drop it...Even a LOWER % to score a TD in that situation....Sorry, gotta trust the only kicker you have in those situations...!!
33% of total points scored across the league.
@@vdoggydogg3922 Yes...and almost always the difference between winning & losing
I'm still trying to figure out that 2 point conversation at 18
Don't try...It was a dumb move...Go with Gillan and the Giants would've won the game
Man, I love the Giants...But with all due respect man...all you talking heads blame everything on Daboll or Jones..man..some things are unforeseen. Jones shows he has some grit and looks like he has something...I saw something today. If he strings games like this in the future he may stay around. I respect you for giving Jones his flowers. We need to have an exorcist or something... man... talk about living in a perpetual state of Murphy's Law... I thought Groundhog Day started in February. Lean in on the positive. I am a bit forlorn this evening, but you know what, I love the team, so I will continue to roll with them. I disagree with your analysis this evening. Losses happen.
U have to be kidding
DABOL And Jones make this team suck ball
F em
NOT head coach material. Always blames others, Never takes responsibility. NEVER
Totally agree...Malik Nabers took full responsibility...Coach can learn from his players who step up, like a rookie
Anything is possible in the fixed league Giants score and still lost cuz the the national fixed still punishing the giants for winning those two Superbowls against they golden boy at the time brady
That's quite a conspiracy theory you have goin' there
If gano was in we were winning idk what he’s talking about 😂 we were in so many field goal positions and the office would of played way more confident, if he was in we win 26-21
We need Belichick!
Too old, too cantankerous & NO BRADY...
@stanfromwestport2024 Well that's exactly what we need cause the last time we won and were good, was with an old coach and he can draft his own QB
@@bxnym True...Coughlin was old, I'll give you that...But, when you look around the NFL at the newer Coaches, they all seem to be 30-somethings
I listed all the positives that we can take away from that game.
1.
Listen,, please we had a franchise QB in Liam Thompson,,,that was on the team,,but no instead we would rather spend money,,, and I heard they was looking at Carson beck,,,he is just the same version of Liam Thompson,,,but LT is better all day all way,,, plus we can get him back for little or nothing,, and he knows our system,,,if not then it's thank you Joe and BD,, for giving away our team and family,,,they will make us tank they all ready have started,,, and as long as we can't get that O-line fix no one is safe in the backfield,,, and that's fact's,,,we can draft and it won't mean nothing if we can't protect anybody,,, bottom line,,,we can get Liam Thompson,,back for cheap and still be able to fight for a Superbowl spot next year or tank out and throw away money,,,GO G-MEN,¡¡!!¡!!
Horrible take saying this was the most statistically improbable loss in nfl history just because washington self-destructed in the red zone. They were outgained by 120 yards, allowed over 6 yards per carry, and were by no means the better team. Statistically improbable losses are when teams lose when they outgain the other team by a wide margin. In this case, the team with washington's stats in this game are suppoaed to bet a team with the giants stats 80%+ of the time
everything that has happened the last 3 seasons is centric on Coaching Staffing decisions and our ability or non ability to manage a Below average at best QB and WE SIGNED Him. Arrogance has pulled the wool over Maras eyes again and once again the house will be cleaned of this. Insanely disappointing. Dabol keeps finding ways to set the team up for failure.
The players and talent level itself is better than it looks ( although every year we have a bad glaring hole and this year it is CB2 ). Its the coaching fuck ups that hold it back. NEWS FLASH YOU NEED A KICKER TO WIN GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shane Bowen was a bad hire I just knew it. This soft as cupcake defense blows and when you watcfh replays you will see is in what looks like prevent defense on 3rd and 9 just Handing them first downs. By Nature it will work better in the red zone but this is disgusting and a good team would have put up 30+ points easy. We did some blitzes in the 1st half those were working ( just Daniels is slippery like an eel ) but the second we did not blitze we got cooked like a Salmon and we did not have enough in the box to stop the run.
28:00 yes absolutely we already went through this in the 2018 draft we got saquon Barkley but could have had Mayfield. Yes 2018 was a 4 pack of garbage QB's but I would much rather have Mayfield than Barkley.
Nice to know the GIANTS are the NFLs punching bag
Does anyone know why a punter who kicks the ball for a living cannot make a field goal if needed? is it a contract issue, if you kick the ball why don't they have the punter practice field goals should they be needed in an emergency? It's not like a player playing offense and defense, a punter should be able to kick a 35-yard field goal for God sake.
He CAN....Daboll needed to give him the ball...So what if he missed on PAT...?? The Giants lost anyway doing it Daboll's way...Think about it...What is a better %, going for 2 pt conversions twice and 4th & 4 (still needing a TD even if Nabers didn't drop it), or letting a Scottish Rugby player, who already demonstrated his ability to hit FGs in real games + practices, kick normally? No comparison in terms of statistical probabilities...Gillan could have even missed a second PAT and the Giants still could have won...!!
Thibs is most overrated player I’ve seen in a long time. He sucks.
If not a QB, we need another defensive stopper.
Wat worries me is we thought we had a gm and a good coach i dint think schoen has drafted well at all 2 top ten picks u have to hit on even his other picks arent that impactful.. with daboll im sharting to think maybe it was just a one year were evwrything broke right
Not convinced, DJ missed deep ball touchdowns to openr receivers