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I'm played a pacifist monk once, he just didn't kill. He would beat you within an inch of your life and then allowed the gods to decide if they passed away. He be came known as the pass a fist monk.
@@diobrando9842 Yes, but unlike batman if you got healed while he was still in the area he would do it again because you are defying the will of the gods.
Next time I play a barbarian I'm gonna have him call his weapon Pacifism, and have him shout it out whenever he attacks with it, and call himself a pacifist.
😂 "I don't want to fight you" *Jojo Menace* "..." *throws sword in the river and throws all my gold at the monk* "Ah no no I'm not trying ti rob you either mister bandit!"
I actually have a character like this in a Transformers campaign, a mortician who's terrified of living people and lacks battle skill but looks like they could fold anyone like a toothpick and maxed out on intimidation. Not a pacifist, just generally not a good fighter. Lots of fun.
What's up with homophobes making it seem that relationships have to result with making babies? Like some of us and other folks with the inability to procreate aren't adopting their abandoned kids.
In my DM’s setting, it’s apparently still possible for same-sex couples to procreate (all I’ll say is, MAGIC), so homophobes don’t even get THAT excuse.
@@loomingdeath1758You’re not being a realist, you’re being a pessimistic arse. Homophobia has resulted in people getting assaulted and killed for their sexuality, there’s no “getting over” that. And just letting it happen because you “can’t do anything about it” is just going to let people think that it’s okay to dehumanize whoever they don’t understand. This kind of thinking is the reason why people are still racist and shit
Nope. If you can't have any kids you have to divorce or behead your significant other... That is unless you don't wanna follow the advice of Henry VIII, I mean why wouldn't you he was such a swell guy...
Definitely. If a player is out and does want you or some one else playing their character while they are away, that character should stay in the background as much as possible. No having them go first in case of traps, no allowing them being used as meat shields, no overly concentrating attacks on them, etc.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 I suppose that depends. When it's our fighter who's out, we absolutely use her as a meatshield - because that's her job when she's there. When our rogue is out, they're still the first one in to find traps. A better guideline would be that if you're piloting somebody else's character, stick to their well-established patterns and behaviors, and don't make any major decisions for them.
@@Kurgosh1 That also sets you up for, "Why did MY character get killed? I wouldn't have done THAT if I were there! Why did Y'ALL do that to ME? WE have never done it THAT PARTICULAR WAY before! Y'ALL set me up!" Knowing your front line Tank is not going to be there your DM should change the session around from a Combat Oriented session to something else. The same if your Trap Finder is gone, don't run a session with a lot of real sneaky/ deadly traps. And if they cancel at the last minute, the DM should just cancel the session all together as adjusting on the fly is a hassle and normally doesn't go well.
I blame the DM in the last story, instead of just taking John at his word after she rejected it in the first place, SHOULD HAVE contacted her while she was out. It’s not just the guy who wanted the romance in the first place it’s also the DMs, especially since he knew about the OP rejected John.
I'd go a step further and say the DM should have just shut down any attempts at major character development points in the player's absence, since it fundamentally goes against player agency. Using absent players' characters in combat to support the others or having them make some skill checks in stuff that the other characters aren't proficient in - fine... but any kind of meaningful rp with absent characters is off the table in my gaming groups.
I would have had it that the lesbian character was under a spell (with permission from the player first) and made the other player the one who done it. Teaching them it's not okay to do stuff without permission.
I'd go further than that. Starting or interacting in any kind of intimate relationship with a PC's character while they are not present, should just be a no-go, no matter what the circumstances. A GM running an PC while that player isn't present should just be running them minimally. There, so the other players feel like there's not just some void while the player is gone, but nothing but autopilot behaviour, just maintaining the status quo. Anything that requires more interaction than that base level of role-played presence, should be deferred till the player returns so they can handle it in accordance with their perspective about how their character should be played. Nothing is so critically important in an RPG session, that can't be deferred for an appropriate moment.
I don’t understand why the DM didn’t allow her to retcon that relationship entirely or why he even allowed it if she previously refused. Why would you take that choice away from your character, especially someone who is supposed to be your friend and trusts you to role-play them? And the fact that he just took this guy’s word for it instead of going directly to her was also a bit a failure of his duty as a DM to do right by his players
In the lesbian story the DM should have retconned the love story the moment it came out that John had lied about asking for her permission... and if she never told anyone... why didn't she tell anyone? Why did she just let him get away with blatantly overstepping his boundaries like that? Why didn't the DM message her? Was he not present when John was rejected the first time?? How did anyone on the table think this was okay??
The story doesn't specify who pushed back when she tried to retcon it. John maybe? He sounds pretty pushy but no idea why the DM he lied to would give him anything in this situation. But people make mistakes and you're unlikely to find an expert DM with tons of experience handling creepy social behavior in high school.
@@lanir9543 "Uh wtf I never agreed to that" should have been the end of it. If the DM doesn't accept that and retcon the relationship they're not a good DM.
Second Story: as annoying as that guy sounds, the idea of a barbarian being a violent sociopath who annoys his teammates, then claiming to be an enlightened pacifist while acting exactly the same sounds like it would be genuinely funny in a fantasy comedy.
Last story reminded me of an incident I was pretty grateful for. I had joined a cool fantasy high themed game which was a ton of fun. We played over discord and I had met most of these people through a shared server. Except one of these guys. For some reason he had latched onto my character and was being flirtatious. I, both in, and out of character, turned him down and moved on. Except it kept happening. And some time into the game I had invited (with permission) a good friend of mine who was in the hospital but recovering (was fine, just long hospital stay to heal). He didn’t talk much but he started noticing the flirtations. He noticed that I would turn them down of change the subject when they happened, in and out of character. He is also aware that I have been dating the same girl for 11 years. So he messaged me asking what was going on there and I explained. He told me to tell the dm who hadn’t noticed. With his, and another of my guy friends backing me up, I did and even screenshot the messages just in case to show the dm. He looked it over and reviewed it and told me he would take care of it and apologized that he hadn’t noticed even though it was clear I turned down the flirtations so blatantly each time. In fact, most of these players are aware I’m in the long relationship I mentioned and am sorta under the asexual umbrella and, between both things, have always had absolutely no interest in adding romance to my dnd games for my characters and don’t welcome it for myself unless it’s my girlfriend. So anyway, I was assured it was taken care of and it was. He was warned and he backed off after that. The game did go on hiatus after a few sessions but this was due to multiple people being overwhelmed with college stuff or work and so we made the difficult decision to put the game aside. It genuinely was a fun game otherwise. I’m still grateful for my friend that asked after the issue despite the subtlety of the flirtations that most didn’t notice and that I didn’t feel quite had escalated enough for me to feel comfortable speaking up just yet. I realized when my friend pointed this out just how uncomfortable I was anyway and had come to dread this game that I otherwise loved, just because of this. And I’m glad he noticed at all. I’m not sure he ever understood how meaningful it was to me that he noticed, asked after, and helped me curb the problem just because he was a good and protective friend of mine. And this same friend went on to play multiple other campaigns with me at other tables as I invited him to play at a few that I was part of and knew he would have a blast with. We always have a great time. We’ve been talking about playing siblings for future games which sounds like it will be a blast. We’ve already played mentor and student before. It would be fun to explore more dynamics for characters. Anyway, yeah I’m just really glad he is my friend. Friends who look out for you like that are worth their weight in gold by 1000x and then some.
Keep in mind that just because you are one way in real life that doesn't have to mean your DND character is going to be like that. People won't assume things about your character because of your real self, since most people try to step out of themselves and experience something totally 100% different than who they are, instead of just make a self-insert carbon copy of preferences and tastes and so on. So basically, you shouldn't expect people to assume that just because you're in a relationship with someone and asexual or whatever that your character also is those things.
@@Dreikoo true but I said this at the beginning at a session 0 and made it clear I was continuously turning down. The need to turn down came up a good 4-5 times a session and we have about 7 by the time it was a problem. It was also happening in and out of character
@Dreikoo Not expecting people to make assumptions of your DND character based on who you really are as a person. Expecting people to have the decency to ask about consent regarding putting their character in a relation with yours beforehand. These are not, and should not be mutually exclusive. They are supposed to coexist. Even if it isn't right to expect everyone to assume your character has the same preference as you, it's still not bad to want others to at last ask beforehand. Please take this into consideration. Thank you.
@@mentalrebllion1270 Sorry. I’m not great at English. I was attempting to affirm both you and op’s point of view, but I guess I was unclear! Sorry about that!
People that don’t get ‘freedom of speech’ means you won’t be arrested for criticizing the government, not that people can’t get mad at you for blatantly disrespecting them
@@jittercritter kind of like how someone I met once told me the very concept of boycotts were anti-free speech. That’s literally the opposite of how that works. 😄
The only thing worse than forcing that last romantic relationship was if the OP came back and the “boyfriend” casted Modify Memory as part of the retcon so that the relationship DID happen but OP didn’t remember any of it. Now THAT would’ve been terrible.
@@JackdawLT 7 month later answer! RAW? Yes. But any good DM would likely make sure that both the players behind the characters were okay with it happening.
If I was DMing a game where I was minding someone's PC where their sexuality would make a romance impossible, even if John CLAIMED she had agreed to it I would not have had it happen until she told ME she wanted it to happen, I wouldn't even ask her the answer would just be no until she told me otherwise. I'd tell John to tell her to confirm it with me if he supposedly had her permission Granted, even if they were compatible sexuality-wise I don't see myself being okay with essentially building the foundation of a ship with a character someone else owns when they aren't even around so
One of the things i appreciated about the AITA sub when i used to frequent it was NAH (No A-holes here) cause sometimes it really is just a rough time for everyone with nobody being directly at fault.
I like that alternative verdict. At least one tabletop horror story on this channel had such a verdict, an OP and table unable to continue playing together because a compromise couldn't be reached. I think the issue was a newborn requiring a player to stay home and other players weren't comfortable changing locations.
Better to do it with rogue instead of monk cause pathfinder got a pretty cool unchained skill intimidation tree. Pretty much the only way this would work cause if you do it in 5e it doesn't fucking matter bro cause you can RP anything and its all under the DM whim. You roleplay trying to intimidate a bandit and it just won't work from time to time.
Yes. Your mistake was that you still found a way to contribute to the party and be helpful. Don't you know pacifists are supposed to be dead weight that just pats itself on the back, and trash talking the other characters (players) for not being as "enlightened" as their character (them)
If you aid someone in hurting others you’re not a pacifist you are a collaborator. If you hurt someone through violence you aren’t a pacifist. All a pacifist can do without breaking their pacifist lifestyle is doing nothing and letting monsters and villains pass. The only thing it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing.
Well, you lessened the needed violence and if you only knocked out your opponents instead of deliberately killing them, you were a technical pacifist, which still counts, as far as I am concerned.
god, i remember playing d&d with a guy that forced romance onto me (never asked beforehand, just harassed my character) and, what's worse, told me that i'm a sick deviant and would probably "devolve into a bisexual anyway" when i told him i'm a lesbian. i was dealing with a lot at the time and kept coming to the games even though i was extremely uncomfortable, i wish i listened to my feelings and dropped out of the campaign sooner
I confess to allowing two PCs in my group to become engaged while one of the players was absent. In my defense, I did check with the absent player immediately after the session and offered to retcon if she wasn't okay with it. They were happy and the PCs are enjoying a looong engagement as they want to resolve some individual story arcs before making actual wedding plans.
Okay that 4th story has me twisted. The problem player IS at fault, but honestly the DM is also at fault. When a player is absent for whatever reason and another player tries to initiate something with their PC, like starting a relationship with a character that is CLEARLY on the spectrum, while claiming that said player said it was fine in a text you do NOT just shrug and say "Okay". You ask to see the text or at the very least contact the absent player to check. I get the feeling that John was the type of person who saw being a lesbian as some facade and that if he could get with OP's character then by proxy he could get with her. Which makes the whole thing even worse. And honestly, the rest of the group isn't innocent either. The fact that John's whole creepy stalkerish vibes went under they're radar just shows how they themselves were probably harboring similar desires since the beginning. If I were in OP's position I would have came forward to everyone, John included, and said how the whole thing made me feel. If they were truly her friends they would have understood and spoke to John about it. Then if John refused and lashed out kick him. If his friend left as well then oh well. Better to lose 2 players than force yourself to endure cringe behavior for the sake of people that clearly didn't have her best interest at heart.
Uhhh spectrum? Did you mean to say you thought her character was clearly autistic or were you trying to say something else? (On the spectrum usually means Neuro-diverse but often has connotations of autism specifically)
“You Did… What?” This reminds me of what that problematic Dragonborn did in the first season of Critical Role. He asked for Scanlan’s ring and got turned down. Scanlan’s player is absent one game and the dragonborn tried again when Matt Mercer was running as Scanlan. This creep wanted to date a girl and the DM should have said NO, period.
On that last story, the DM should never have just taken John's work for it that LW "approved" the relationship and instead messaged her himself. Like, just a quick "yo, John said you gave the okay for his PC and your PC to start a relationship, can we proceed with that?" and at the "WTF NO JFC" shut that shit down.
Methinks Mr. Intimidation forgot the "Fight" part of "Fight or flight response." Also in terms of the romance thing, this is why you have a home base: so that absent players have somewhere for their character to be that isn't risky nor just T-posing in the void, and when they come back, any and all chores/tasks/crafting/etc that might've happened in that time can be caught up on. Even if it's just, "your character ran back to base to get supplies for this dungeon dive." Failing that, your character can stick back and keep watch if leaving a spot isn't an option, yanno?
We once had a character react badly to the local cuisine, because it was incompatible with his biology, so he was stuck on the toilet with constipation for the session. My character, who happened to be the same race was given some enchanted milk to prevent this from happening to her.
Last story - advice from someone who played a lot of tabletop. Who is also female. And queer. Don't be the only woman at the table of het men. Just don't be. Because if one of them does try something creepy, or start spouting Tatey or PUA bullshit, or starts awkwardly flirting despite you being gay, sure there is a *chance* one of them might have your back. Just don't waste your time feeling shocked or betrayed if the far more likely scenario plays out where EVERYONE else is mysteriously struck blind and deaf, and suffers amnesia about your previously stated boundaries and preferences. Or WORSE, starts agreeing or egging That One Guy on. At that moment you're on your own, and will either a) keep facing pressure, or b) make your displeasure known and get a reputation as a 'ball buster'. What to do? Leave. Go online, find a group that's at least half female. And ideally with at least one other queer person. Not a guarantee, but your odds will be better.
For the fourth story: the only thing that's a problem in my opinion is that he didn't address the problems with the dungeon master. Instead of having these problems for months and suddenly dropping off the game leaving the dungeon master high and dry and ready to fall, I think they should have verbalized their issues as soon as they realized it, Express their issues, to give the dungeon master a chance to learn about, acknowledge, and improve problems that they weren't aware of. If anything, it might actually raise the dungeon master spirits to see someone who is engaged to the point to that they take the time to speak about their issues and work with the dungeon master, after having two people leave unceremoniously.
communication goes a long way, i think there sometimes needs to be more out of game discussions about what the players hope to see in the game, experience and what sort of threats they might want to encounter, and whether they want more combat or more roleplay. Dm's need to be open to these conversations and there should be some level of agreeing, and it's ok to want different things. Like session 0 is good but if you are wanting to experience something that you dm isn't providing it's worth having a conversation before quitting, things change and maybe what you thought you wanted changes throughout the campaign/sessions.
Canonically in Star Wars interspecies relationships *do* produce progeny (are procreative). In-universe the explanation is similar to Star Trek in that there was a progenitor race (the Rakatans) who engineered the others, meaning humans and others like Twileks share DNA. This also explains, as with Trek, why so many species have a similar body type to humans.
Someone, please tell That Guy that the film with Johnny Sins turning gay girls straight is the same level of fantasy as Alice in Wonderland. And should not be used as real-life reference.
Ugh, I had a similar issue to the last story, not with a DnD campaign, but with a shared sci-fi universe my friends and I would all write stories in. My character was a "straight gay" robot, my friend's character was an aroace female starship pilot, and the two characters were really close friends of the variety that seems completely weird to outsiders, like the "Are they dating?" "No, they're just weird like that for some reason," kind of relationship. Well one guy we admittedly didn't like very much in hindsight didn't get the memo and kept trying to ship them together, even after literally everyone explained to him why they weren't compatible. Eventually his contributions to our shared universe got a little disturbing because he really wanted to make the cute pilot girl do the naughties with my robot for some reason. He started making us both uncomfortable and ultimately got kicked from the group. The friend heading the entire group admitted that she didn't realize how uncomfortable we were at first and allowed it as long as she did because when she asked him, he told her that we were in on it.
"I thought this was a sandbox!" Sandbox campaigns are about being able to influence an open world, not to be free of consequence for being an asshole to everybody. Or for *blowing up yourself and your party because you were bored and thought you took half damage.* That one was the biggest wtf like... It's one thing to be a dick to NPCs, the DM might be annoyed but it's your character and the NPCs don't have to love you, but it's a whole 'nother can of worms to be a dick to your party, ESPECIALLY IF IT NEARLY KILLS THEM. The way it's written, it seems he only learned his lesson because he DIDN'T take half damage like he thought. He was perfectly fine with everybody else dying for his amusement, but HIM nearly dying is too far?
Yeah. It seems like the DM was waaaay too patient with that player's antisocial behavior and a confrontation should have taken place earlier where people explained to that player that the PCs are a team on the same side, and they should cooperate. Also explaining the IDEA of consequences, which seems so obvious to me that it blows my mind that people actually behave like there are no consequences, even if it's "just a game" (just a game that a group of people pour hundreds of hours of time and effort and emotional commitment to. if you want "no consequences" play alone)
Bruh tried to sleeping beauty a girl into being straight lmao creepy loser 💀😭 “bro she said yes just trust me bro I know what her character sheet says about her being lesbian but I’m different I’m not like other guys”
Ooof I could relate to the Starfinder story. Right from the background, when OP said they were in a module without any roleplay. I went through an online game with the group of a mutual friend, and RP was minimal. Like, my character was introduced by appearing through a portal and coming along for the ride. It got to the point where meeting for these games felt like a weekly combat-slogging chore. Unlike the very mature OP, I wound up just ghosting the group. 😵 Wouldn't recommend this exact solution, but damn it's good to be out of that game.
After years of inactivity of being the Dungeon Master, I finally found a group to DM with. It was fine at first until one of my players, we'll call Otto, found out that another character was playing an insert otter. He came to me about it and told me he was a bit uncomfortable. We'd resolved it with a group chat. It was kind of sad to see a great character go though.
Wow... on the subject of payment, I used to occasionally GM for organized play at the local gameshop. Players were charged a couple bucks to play a module, which was given to the table's GM in the form of store credit, so it usually totaled to about $10-15/session. While it wasn't much, it was nice incentive to try out GMing and those who would frequently GM would make enough to support at least some of their gaming habits. I've come across other groups that will buy the GM's meal when they hang out for game sessions, but I've never come across a GM that is so entitled to ask for that much money, especially when they're already living rent free.
Whole lot of victim blaming in the comments regarding someone not wanting to stay friends with an openly unapologetic homophobe. Either saying intolerant people should be tolerated, old friendships should mean more than discriminatory beliefs, or OP should have tried changing him. Guy chose to be homophobic, why should people offended by that have to support such people?
Fact! And no, intolerant people should not be tolerated. Freedom of speech only guarantees the right to say what one wants, not that that speech never has consequences.
Starfinder story: I'm going to assume OP is right about the DM being an introvert. It's always tough when an introvert puts themselves out there. It's even rougher seeing them receive what MIGHT look or feel like negative feedback. Then, you got OP processing their feelings and feeling bad over how the DM might feel when they leave. It legit broke my heart for both people. I hope the DM bounces back from this and that OP finds a Starfinder campaign they can enjoy to the end.
If you’re a DM (or even another player) and one of your players has to step away from the table, ALWAYS keep that player up to date on what’s happening each session. And if you’re that player who must step away, INSIST on getting important info after each season. Even if you just trade text messages back and forth. There is no reason a player should EVER be out of the loop on their own character.
I was often an absent player (TLDR: Mother in a hospital, she's better now) so me and my DM came up with a funny background idea for my Character... In the game we often held parties as a celebration of our victory after a difficult encounter. We then just wrote in that my character (Half-Elf) was a light-weight and got so KO'd by the tiniest sip of Wine, that he slept for a whole session, it became a recurring joke, (one that I found funny too) until I could play more frequently again... "No more alcohol for you, buddy," said my Druid friend. XD
That starfinder story hits hard for me. Scheduling issues and getting players can be hard, but somehow this issue is worse in starfinder. The homebrew issue is very big: starfinder is already a game with some very rich lore and a lot of cool stuff to explore, to the point that nothing you can replace it with is likely to beat it.
I left one game due to lack of fun (and a few other small reasons too) so the Starfinder story was relatable. And on romance plots, that is something you NEED players at the table for, even with permission to do it whole absent. And the entire table should check, especially the DM, if permission was ACTUALLY granted. My own group had been joking about setting my character, an Orc Fighter/Rogue, up on dates and I said sure if it happens naturally. Well, come one session and our druid asks me to stay back a bit as we head back to a gala dinner. And he asks my character out. EVERYONE was thrown for a loop, even though we had made a joke about it less than a week prior. I said yes and the two male characters were VERY awkward for a bit lol. It was cute. He set up this elaborate cute date for us, but when the session for it cane, we actually delayed the game a day as he would miss it. That session was actually this recent Thursday (Aug 24, 2023) and was amazing. I am kinda in charge of our next date lol.
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The thing about making a pacifist isnt about not fighting its about actively trying to not kill and it can be so fun and can really control your fellow party mates by counteracting their murder hobo ness
DM: Glad to see you back. While you were gone, you started a relationship with one of the other PCs, had 10 kids and are stuck at home taking care of them, while your significant other goes on adventures. Is that cool?
With Crispy on the not having fun one, you don't owe anyone your time & if you're not having fun, don't force yourself. The only thing i would've suggested before leaving is having a discussion with the two if them to see if you couldn't do something else that you might enjoy more, who knows maybe your fellow pc also wasn't having fun, hell maybe the DM wasnt having fun as band & subdued you made them seem. Passion & energy typically go hand-in-hand, so maybe with a new spark, it could've resolved the issue. All that said, just as Crispy said, you're not obligated to do any of that.
Hey, Crisp and friends! A long rant here, just want an opinion about a DnD encounter I had where I don't know if I was right to freak out. I've watched your videos non stop for the past few years. Thanks for your tips and horror stories if you read this Crisp! 💚 - TLDR: A DM that didn't know anything about running DnD pretty much stalked me until the end of the school year. - I know this might not be read, but the third or fourth story vaugely reminded me of my "second" DnD game. The first, I was too young to understand that dragons wouldn't erupt out of the papers and I didn't like writing, I'm glad my uncle at least tried, but understood I didn't fully understand. This time, I thought it was set and, although I didn't know all the rules, I connected the dots from your channel and other YT DnD stories to know some stuff. I was in high school, first or second year. I met a guy (I'll call DM) that had a very.. vivid imagination. I do wonder if he had something mental going on, or just had trouble talking to people. DM and I talked and hung out during class playing games and such, and at some point I brought up me wanting to try DnD. My uncle passed away a few years before and I felt like I should try the game he wanted to show me. Plus, I was roleplaying online and writing more fanfics than ever for different games and shows I liked. DM offered to invite me to his campaign. He showed me a messily drawn map(no jugding to him ofc) and told me, like my stories, the territories were all based on fandoms he likes. FNaF was in a haunted woods, Terraria was slime ridden ruins etc. I of course joined. The first red flag was that he wasn't allowed to use Discord. Not that he couldn't, he wasn't allowed. I asked why, and he said "I got in trouble with some stuff." And his parents only let him use his phone at home? I was creeped out to all Hell, but I brushed it off and asked who else was playing. DM said there's one other person so far but "you wouldn't know them." I didn't know many people in school anyways but this was so, so strange. He sent me a GoogleDoc link on our school computers, and between classes told me to write my character, backstory, and find a DnD template to fill. I tried to say hello to the other player, but they were never online. I worked so hard in the next week drawing a character. A harengon(at the time I thought it was rabbitfolk) necromancer with a cult like fox diety giving him his abilities at a price of draining a percentage of his HP. I used the most used template I could find, wrote down as much as I could figure, and added my digital art(hopefully watermarked😭) to the page. I asked DM about the empty places. DM: "Just write a melee and ranged weapon in your inventory" Me: "But my character is more of a medic since he's very anxious and is a certified wuss." DM: "Add it anyways. He needs a way to defend himself." It was obvious he didn't know what the Hell he was doing. Because it was on a GoogleDoc, you were able to fake your rolls, he didn't even know what to roll for except for initiative IF AT ALL. The first day, I looked over the doc and saw DM made a DMPC. I gave him the bennefit of the doubt. This world was based on his interests afterall. He used stolen art of a kitsuné, but this was a closed setting so its probably okay. But his level. HIS LEVEL. 20,000?? I asked him why his level was so ungodly high, when me and the mystery player started at LV1, and he said: DM: "I've been playing for maybe five years" (bold face lie through the computer screen) Me: "Can you at least lower your level?" DM: "No! This is my main OC!!" (w/ stolen art??) Me: "So were your other players gonna join to level out the team?" DM: "No, you two are the only other players. I've been playing alone until now." Jesus Christ. Nevertheless, I played the first day. I was mostly trying to see if the mystery person was even real, but they didn't play that day. DM's DMPC led me into the Terraria territory overwealmed with LV20 slimes. Again, I'm LV1. So DM just swept through them on his own. He kept doing actions like, I swipe through the slimes with ease(no dice but it didn't matter anyways) and I pick you up and fly over the broken walls. My character is the six feet tall and probably near 250lbs. from all the useless items DM made me carry. I cut the "campaign" short, and said good luck to his game, removed all art from the page, and even taking extra deletion measures cause he pretty much gave me mod privilages. I hope he didn't steal my art. I worked so hard on my little guy, and has since added more to his backstory for my online friends to RP and help edit with me. My moss covered hare is one of my favorite OCs so far. But DM didn't stop. We met eachother outside of school at the pickup spot for cars, and he realized I sit on the same bench every day listening to music. I understand he must've thought I was lonely, and after a few days of talking I told him so, but he didn't stop. DM would walk out from the portable classroom his last class was in right as he saw me. He gave me his number so we can call later in the few hours he has his phone, and I traded him mine. I've since stopped doing this and if they don't have Discord, it's tough luck. I told him for extra security, say a codeword. I said Locky, my favorite OC. He said Pup. I said I was a furry like him. But I know WTF that means. If you don't know, pup is pretty much a codeword that furries call themselves that means they like p0rn of baby furries. So an ass backwards saying you're a p€do. Then and there I FINALLY cut him off. And thankfully, we accidentally swapped our phone numbers back so he can't contact me again. Still was paranoid for a while though. He kept going to my spot after school and small talking, and pretty much stalked me to each of my classes to see if I was near his. It got to the point that I'd bring a jacket in my bag, wear it all day no matter how hot it was, and pit stop in the bathroom to change when the bell rang for school to let out. He knew my classes, he knew where I sat at lunch and after school. My mom said I was too paranoid and he was just awkward, but even when I told her all this she didn't seem as worried as she should. As a transitioned man, and not really looking the part yet, I was scared this asshole would do something. I've heard stories from my fellow trans friends and even other schools about how they're harrassed. I didn't want to be the next. Thankfully, he got the hint as summer rolled around, and he has only made smalp glances in passing ever since. Was I rightfully scared? Or was I overreacting. I understand if I was just paranoid, but a good outside opinion would be nice. LATE EDIT: I DIDN'T EVEN MENTION HIM FULL ON RANTING TO ME AFTER SCHOOL ABOUT HIS LONG LOST BROTHER FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION?? He was full on serious, and drew crude and gorey drawings of him killing this twin and his twin killing animals. Yet another reason why I should've read the flage sooner..
I would have made John roll a Persuasion check. "To seduce the lesbian wood elf, right?" No, it's to persuade her not to take offence to his second unwelcome advance.
I really do feel bad for the DM that was loosing players, and yeah Crispy is true: if the op talked to their DM about how felt about the game earlier then maybe the DM could learn and change it up.
Funny enough I'm in a party with two evil players and two good/neutral players and the dynamic is pretty good. There's a fifth player whose character has dual personality because of his bloodline, so the two evil players are in good terms with his evil persona while the good/neutral players are friendly with his good personality. It's really fun and just like most party dynamics it can work as long as the players are cooperative and not a-holes
I can relate to the Starfinder horror story. You know those Fire Emblem units who you find standing around the map, they say, “Oh great and mighty MC, I work for you now. Though my stats are trash, I have faith that you lead us to victory” and never talk again? It’s not THAT bad, but that’s about what my situation is. Only 2 PCs are actually important to the plot, and even though me making a contact to work with one of them, she almost never talked to me ic again since then. And also rarely with the other 2 non mcs. The dm at least lets us others have our own moments in the downtime…
For absent party members a group my ex-girlfriend used to belong to would have an item called "the magic teapot". If a player couldn't make it their character's soul and person would be "randomly" sucked into the teapot. The teapot was effective indestructible but also somewhat cursed (so any attempt to use it's indestructability or mass compaction abilities for anything else the attempt would automagically fail). In terms of plot critical events or where a character would normally have to step in (eg a healer or rogue) the party could rub the lamp and the character would be drawn out of the lamp for a short time but only present enough to do their critical activity or message, and get drawn back in; so no "relationships" or gaming could effect them [beyond average party xp accrual]. This gave an in-game option for the absence, it didn't cripple the game for critical event planning, removed "oops you're dead","your consumable item X is now run down","relationships"; the DM played the Teapotted character, so even hidden information on character sheets couldn't be meta-gamed. It even gave an option for suitable beloved characters, if appropriate, to travel through from the past [the Teapot could be lost and then re-surface anywhere in past of future - as controlled by the DM and his curse judgement]. I believe the person who invented it was named Chris; and to me it will always be "The Teapot of Dawn"
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the only time an absent player character should do anything is basically when the party needs them for one critical thing in their hour of need or whatever -- so usually that just means healing, or something along those lines. if you need them for any character decisions and so on, my recommendation is an emphatic DON'T.
some people seem to treat the idea of DND as "immediately try to find out the glitches in the code, like putting a bucket on the merchants head in skyrim"
From the title I was really hoping we were going to see a horror story about someone using enchantment spells to force an in game relationship. That would have been the tea.
I never understand in these stories how the one telling them is like: They are all wonderful people and I love them, they just like to be murderous uncooperative psychopaths and don't seem to understand the concept of causality. No honey, they are NOT wonderful people.
with the not being able to attend every session thing, my friend whos DMing a pokemon themed champain and we have set up a really cool system whenever i can't attend, cus my character for it is a warlock (or psycic) his patron will pick him up and plop him in diffrent areas of the timeline to sort stuff out and do other missons, allowing the rest of the party to carry on without my character and allows me and the dm to play a little bit alone when we have time and then rejoining whenever our scesuals lineup. we havent plaied it yet as the champain is still being made and set up but i think it sounds like a good salution and be fun for everyone.
Kicking Dave out was definitely the right move, but I feel like you could have gotten through to him by turning it back on him. Like "$10 an hour per person, including time prepping". "Sure. We could play once every two weeks for three hours, five player, say two hours prep for every hour played? That comes out to about $900 per month, so you'll only owe us $100 for the rent."
Yeah, the problem with John wasn't that he's male. There are way bigger problems with him, and I honestly can't decide which explaination is the least problematic, because anything I can think of becomes that after just a few seconds when I try to explain it to myself. But also, If they knew she doesn't want her character to have a love arc (either at all or with a non-femail character, but it doesn't really matter here), but John does, why did they believe him, and why didn't the DM himself contact OP with a question altering the whole story?
Since the dawn of human kind as a species, we have always been afraid of what we do not understand.. now different people display their fear in very different ways.. and what we see being brought to light, is when scare people lash out at what they do not understand …
I know the problem with player not being able to play, My solution is GRPC (General-Purpose role playing Character) or Gree for short the "Replacement" a sort of a DMNPC i make just using The basic rules it has a the necessary stats and abilities to (TEMPORALLY) replace them (a sort of poof this guy/girl appears saying they are standing in For "Character" and play them as backup/protection sort of thing (they have no back story, and minimal Personality as they will say "I'm only here till "character" gets back, if asked to do something outrageous they will say "sorry not in my contract" and make them drop it, When the player comes back they will say "well my job here is done - Bye" and poof they are Replaced with the players character , and then their is the monologue of "while you were gone" (note i generally give them the points they would have got if they were playing) - it has gone over somewhat well as it allows play to continue
Little bit late but still have to add it: Intimidation doesn't have to conflict with pacifism, if done right. "I will smash your kids head in if you don't tell me what I want to know!" Not pacifistic. "Look, I know how hard your life is and how hard it is to get enough food for your family. It would be a shame if you would get arrested and your kid would starve to death, wouldn't it?" Definitly intimidating but something a pacifist could still do.
Jesus hell I thought the one story was about my crew because we called our squad “the place holders” as a place holder but then kept it to piss off one of the players (affectionately)
Coming in to say this because Rango is my favorite movie, but the rabbit from Rango mentioned at 2:34 is an alcoholic doctor named Doc Kenny, he’s a jack rabbit with one ear, dirty fur, and crooked whiskers
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I'm played a pacifist monk once, he just didn't kill. He would beat you within an inch of your life and then allowed the gods to decide if they passed away.
He be came known as the pass a fist monk.
That's fucking terrifying.
@@WTFisTingispingis Thank you, that was what I was going for. It was my least/most edgy character as well. It depended on how I was feeling in a day.
Reminds me of a Robot Chicken sketch where Batman beat the Joker one punch short of killing him.
so batman
@@diobrando9842 Yes, but unlike batman if you got healed while he was still in the area he would do it again because you are defying the will of the gods.
Screaming "Pacifism!" as a war cry had me dying.
"I love peace with all my heart. And i'll kill any man, woman or child to keep it!"
Now that's hilarious
Next time I play a barbarian I'm gonna have him call his weapon Pacifism, and have him shout it out whenever he attacks with it, and call himself a pacifist.
It looked like Crispy was about to die from laughter too 🤣
Reminds me of Prince Philip from Slayers and the old Gantz Abridged by hbi2k
The idea of a pacifist that is super intimidating has the potential to be super funny. A huge menacing aura unit, but hates fighting.
Plot twist: that’s why they became super menacing, so people woukd back off soon as look at them and there’s be no need to ever fight!
Ahhh, the "I have no Enemies" build. Already a modern classic.
😂 "I don't want to fight you" *Jojo Menace*
"..." *throws sword in the river and throws all my gold at the monk*
"Ah no no I'm not trying ti rob you either mister bandit!"
I actually have a character like this in a Transformers campaign, a mortician who's terrified of living people and lacks battle skill but looks like they could fold anyone like a toothpick and maxed out on intimidation. Not a pacifist, just generally not a good fighter. Lots of fun.
So... kinda getting Wreck-It Ralph vibes from this description.
What's up with homophobes making it seem that relationships have to result with making babies? Like some of us and other folks with the inability to procreate aren't adopting their abandoned kids.
Sounds like they want to treat procreation as a reason heterosexuality is superior while denying adoption.
In my DM’s setting, it’s apparently still possible for same-sex couples to procreate (all I’ll say is, MAGIC), so homophobes don’t even get THAT excuse.
I’d love to have kids sometime soon if possible but if someone else wants to live otherwise let them be. You like man booty you like man Booty.
@@loomingdeath1758You’re not being a realist, you’re being a pessimistic arse. Homophobia has resulted in people getting assaulted and killed for their sexuality, there’s no “getting over” that. And just letting it happen because you “can’t do anything about it” is just going to let people think that it’s okay to dehumanize whoever they don’t understand. This kind of thinking is the reason why people are still racist and shit
Nope. If you can't have any kids you have to divorce or behead your significant other...
That is unless you don't wanna follow the advice of Henry VIII, I mean why wouldn't you he was such a swell guy...
I see it as a common issue that people think "you can do what you want" means "you can get away with anything" when the two are not the same.
To use my personal favourite quote:
"Your actions have consequences."
freedom of action is not the same as freedom from consequence
GM really should have asked the OP directly of the romance was okay instead of taking John’s word for it
Definitely. If a player is out and does want you or some one else playing their character while they are away, that character should stay in the background as much as possible. No having them go first in case of traps, no allowing them being used as meat shields, no overly concentrating attacks on them, etc.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 I suppose that depends. When it's our fighter who's out, we absolutely use her as a meatshield - because that's her job when she's there. When our rogue is out, they're still the first one in to find traps. A better guideline would be that if you're piloting somebody else's character, stick to their well-established patterns and behaviors, and don't make any major decisions for them.
@@Kurgosh1 That also sets you up for, "Why did MY character get killed? I wouldn't have done THAT if I were there! Why did Y'ALL do that to ME? WE have never done it THAT PARTICULAR WAY before! Y'ALL set me up!"
Knowing your front line Tank is not going to be there your DM should change the session around from a Combat Oriented session to something else. The same if your Trap Finder is gone, don't run a session with a lot of real sneaky/ deadly traps. And if they cancel at the last minute, the DM should just cancel the session all together as adjusting on the fly is a hassle and normally doesn't go well.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 You're describing a much different group dynamic than ours, so I guess you should do what works for your group.
I have to criticize the DM in the last story, there is no way they should have allowed that.
My thoughts exactly, the DM should have asked the player themselves and not just believe the guy.
They were in high school and thus were still becoming the adults they would become
I blame the DM in the last story, instead of just taking John at his word after she rejected it in the first place, SHOULD HAVE contacted her while she was out. It’s not just the guy who wanted the romance in the first place it’s also the DMs, especially since he knew about the OP rejected John.
I'd go a step further and say the DM should have just shut down any attempts at major character development points in the player's absence, since it fundamentally goes against player agency. Using absent players' characters in combat to support the others or having them make some skill checks in stuff that the other characters aren't proficient in - fine... but any kind of meaningful rp with absent characters is off the table in my gaming groups.
@@hopejohnson6347 true.
I mean I blame both John and the DM
I would have had it that the lesbian character was under a spell (with permission from the player first) and made the other player the one who done it. Teaching them it's not okay to do stuff without permission.
I'd go further than that. Starting or interacting in any kind of intimate relationship with a PC's character while they are not present, should just be a no-go, no matter what the circumstances. A GM running an PC while that player isn't present should just be running them minimally. There, so the other players feel like there's not just some void while the player is gone, but nothing but autopilot behaviour, just maintaining the status quo. Anything that requires more interaction than that base level of role-played presence, should be deferred till the player returns so they can handle it in accordance with their perspective about how their character should be played. Nothing is so critically important in an RPG session, that can't be deferred for an appropriate moment.
I don’t understand why the DM didn’t allow her to retcon that relationship entirely or why he even allowed it if she previously refused. Why would you take that choice away from your character, especially someone who is supposed to be your friend and trusts you to role-play them? And the fact that he just took this guy’s word for it instead of going directly to her was also a bit a failure of his duty as a DM to do right by his players
Right? If she did approve it then you can wait for her to return to the game and confirm it herself.
In the lesbian story the DM should have retconned the love story the moment it came out that John had lied about asking for her permission... and if she never told anyone... why didn't she tell anyone? Why did she just let him get away with blatantly overstepping his boundaries like that? Why didn't the DM message her? Was he not present when John was rejected the first time?? How did anyone on the table think this was okay??
Because the story is fake?
Highschoolers. Their ability to produce cringy moments is only surpassed by their propensity to be peer pressured by stuff that doesn't even exist.
@@silverblade357 I mean...that's a possibility sure.
The story doesn't specify who pushed back when she tried to retcon it. John maybe? He sounds pretty pushy but no idea why the DM he lied to would give him anything in this situation. But people make mistakes and you're unlikely to find an expert DM with tons of experience handling creepy social behavior in high school.
@@lanir9543 "Uh wtf I never agreed to that" should have been the end of it. If the DM doesn't accept that and retcon the relationship they're not a good DM.
In order to aquire a lesbian girlfriend, you must become a lesbian girlfriend
Get permanent gender changing potion and you are set!
Not true. You could also be a bisexual girlfriend😊
“The universe didn’t give me a big tiddy goth girlfriend…. SO I WILL B E C O M E H E R”
@@Child_of_the_Void עוד ישראלים צופים בCrispy's שמח לראות
You can't force romance.
That violation of player agency seems a little r***-y to me.
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Link in the description! Show the original artist some love
The cry of "my spleen!" off camera just as Crispy gets back into the story is a bit I hope becomes a running gag
At this rate, I'm waiting for a cry of "My other spleen!" :)
@@bretsheeley4034 I don't know why, but now I'm wondering if there will eventually be a cry of "MY LEG!" at some point.
"Spleen!" a classic cat scratch catch phrase
It's like the running gag of "My Leg!" from SpongeBob.
Gotta love a Mucha lucha reference
Second Story: as annoying as that guy sounds, the idea of a barbarian being a violent sociopath who annoys his teammates, then claiming to be an enlightened pacifist while acting exactly the same sounds like it would be genuinely funny in a fantasy comedy.
that's actually gonna be my next character i think, Johl Man-breaker "me pacifist *readies great axe*"
Dave really had a good thing going for himself and decided to firmly slamdunk it in the trash.
Kinda makes me not suprised he's homeless. Not that every homeless person is a leech, but Dave definitely was.
Last story reminded me of an incident I was pretty grateful for. I had joined a cool fantasy high themed game which was a ton of fun. We played over discord and I had met most of these people through a shared server. Except one of these guys. For some reason he had latched onto my character and was being flirtatious. I, both in, and out of character, turned him down and moved on. Except it kept happening. And some time into the game I had invited (with permission) a good friend of mine who was in the hospital but recovering (was fine, just long hospital stay to heal). He didn’t talk much but he started noticing the flirtations. He noticed that I would turn them down of change the subject when they happened, in and out of character. He is also aware that I have been dating the same girl for 11 years. So he messaged me asking what was going on there and I explained. He told me to tell the dm who hadn’t noticed. With his, and another of my guy friends backing me up, I did and even screenshot the messages just in case to show the dm. He looked it over and reviewed it and told me he would take care of it and apologized that he hadn’t noticed even though it was clear I turned down the flirtations so blatantly each time. In fact, most of these players are aware I’m in the long relationship I mentioned and am sorta under the asexual umbrella and, between both things, have always had absolutely no interest in adding romance to my dnd games for my characters and don’t welcome it for myself unless it’s my girlfriend. So anyway, I was assured it was taken care of and it was. He was warned and he backed off after that. The game did go on hiatus after a few sessions but this was due to multiple people being overwhelmed with college stuff or work and so we made the difficult decision to put the game aside. It genuinely was a fun game otherwise. I’m still grateful for my friend that asked after the issue despite the subtlety of the flirtations that most didn’t notice and that I didn’t feel quite had escalated enough for me to feel comfortable speaking up just yet. I realized when my friend pointed this out just how uncomfortable I was anyway and had come to dread this game that I otherwise loved, just because of this. And I’m glad he noticed at all. I’m not sure he ever understood how meaningful it was to me that he noticed, asked after, and helped me curb the problem just because he was a good and protective friend of mine.
And this same friend went on to play multiple other campaigns with me at other tables as I invited him to play at a few that I was part of and knew he would have a blast with. We always have a great time. We’ve been talking about playing siblings for future games which sounds like it will be a blast. We’ve already played mentor and student before. It would be fun to explore more dynamics for characters. Anyway, yeah I’m just really glad he is my friend. Friends who look out for you like that are worth their weight in gold by 1000x and then some.
Keep in mind that just because you are one way in real life that doesn't have to mean your DND character is going to be like that. People won't assume things about your character because of your real self, since most people try to step out of themselves and experience something totally 100% different than who they are, instead of just make a self-insert carbon copy of preferences and tastes and so on.
So basically, you shouldn't expect people to assume that just because you're in a relationship with someone and asexual or whatever that your character also is those things.
@@Dreikoo true but I said this at the beginning at a session 0 and made it clear I was continuously turning down. The need to turn down came up a good 4-5 times a session and we have about 7 by the time it was a problem. It was also happening in and out of character
@Dreikoo
Not expecting people to make assumptions of your DND character based on who you really are as a person.
Expecting people to have the decency to ask about consent regarding putting their character in a relation with yours beforehand.
These are not, and should not be mutually exclusive. They are supposed to coexist.
Even if it isn't right to expect everyone to assume your character has the same preference as you, it's still not bad to want others to at last ask beforehand.
Please take this into consideration. Thank you.
@@Emperor-Quill I’m confused as to your comment. From the way this is worded it seems like it is being assumed that I don’t know this.
@@mentalrebllion1270
Sorry. I’m not great at English. I was attempting to affirm both you and op’s point of view, but I guess I was unclear! Sorry about that!
There are way too many people in this world who don’t get the whole “actions have consequences” thing 😂
People that don’t get ‘freedom of speech’ means you won’t be arrested for criticizing the government, not that people can’t get mad at you for blatantly disrespecting them
@@jittercritter kind of like how someone I met once told me the very concept of boycotts were anti-free speech. That’s literally the opposite of how that works. 😄
@@jittercritterThey don't realise that "freedom of speech" =/= "freedom from consequences"
The only thing worse than forcing that last romantic relationship was if the OP came back and the “boyfriend” casted Modify Memory as part of the retcon so that the relationship DID happen but OP didn’t remember any of it.
Now THAT would’ve been terrible.
Can PCs actually cast this spell on other PCs?
@@JackdawLT 7 month later answer! RAW? Yes. But any good DM would likely make sure that both the players behind the characters were okay with it happening.
If I was DMing a game where I was minding someone's PC where their sexuality would make a romance impossible, even if John CLAIMED she had agreed to it I would not have had it happen until she told ME she wanted it to happen, I wouldn't even ask her the answer would just be no until she told me otherwise.
I'd tell John to tell her to confirm it with me if he supposedly had her permission
Granted, even if they were compatible sexuality-wise I don't see myself being okay with essentially building the foundation of a ship with a character someone else owns when they aren't even around so
One of the things i appreciated about the AITA sub when i used to frequent it was NAH (No A-holes here) cause sometimes it really is just a rough time for everyone with nobody being directly at fault.
And, of course there's also ESH (Everyone Sucks Here). For when everyone (or at least a majority) of the people involved are an a-hole to some degree.
I like that alternative verdict. At least one tabletop horror story on this channel had such a verdict, an OP and table unable to continue playing together because a compromise couldn't be reached. I think the issue was a newborn requiring a player to stay home and other players weren't comfortable changing locations.
I played a reasonable-pacifist monk who used intimidation as a way to scare off weaker foes to prevent unnecessary violence... did i do it wrong?
Better to do it with rogue instead of monk cause pathfinder got a pretty cool unchained skill intimidation tree. Pretty much the only way this would work cause if you do it in 5e it doesn't fucking matter bro cause you can RP anything and its all under the DM whim. You roleplay trying to intimidate a bandit and it just won't work from time to time.
Yes. Your mistake was that you still found a way to contribute to the party and be helpful. Don't you know pacifists are supposed to be dead weight that just pats itself on the back, and trash talking the other characters (players) for not being as "enlightened" as their character (them)
If you aid someone in hurting others you’re not a pacifist you are a collaborator. If you hurt someone through violence you aren’t a pacifist. All a pacifist can do without breaking their pacifist lifestyle is doing nothing and letting monsters and villains pass. The only thing it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing.
Well, you lessened the needed violence and if you only knocked out your opponents instead of deliberately killing them, you were a technical pacifist, which still counts, as far as I am concerned.
@@AtelierGodpacifists can use self defense and prevent needless violence
god, i remember playing d&d with a guy that forced romance onto me (never asked beforehand, just harassed my character) and, what's worse, told me that i'm a sick deviant and would probably "devolve into a bisexual anyway" when i told him i'm a lesbian. i was dealing with a lot at the time and kept coming to the games even though i was extremely uncomfortable, i wish i listened to my feelings and dropped out of the campaign sooner
I confess to allowing two PCs in my group to become engaged while one of the players was absent. In my defense, I did check with the absent player immediately after the session and offered to retcon if she wasn't okay with it. They were happy and the PCs are enjoying a looong engagement as they want to resolve some individual story arcs before making actual wedding plans.
PS both players are happily in other relationships and keep the relationship purely In Character.
This is how the GM in the story should have done.
Okay that 4th story has me twisted. The problem player IS at fault, but honestly the DM is also at fault. When a player is absent for whatever reason and another player tries to initiate something with their PC, like starting a relationship with a character that is CLEARLY on the spectrum, while claiming that said player said it was fine in a text you do NOT just shrug and say "Okay". You ask to see the text or at the very least contact the absent player to check. I get the feeling that John was the type of person who saw being a lesbian as some facade and that if he could get with OP's character then by proxy he could get with her. Which makes the whole thing even worse. And honestly, the rest of the group isn't innocent either. The fact that John's whole creepy stalkerish vibes went under they're radar just shows how they themselves were probably harboring similar desires since the beginning. If I were in OP's position I would have came forward to everyone, John included, and said how the whole thing made me feel. If they were truly her friends they would have understood and spoke to John about it. Then if John refused and lashed out kick him. If his friend left as well then oh well. Better to lose 2 players than force yourself to endure cringe behavior for the sake of people that clearly didn't have her best interest at heart.
Uhhh spectrum? Did you mean to say you thought her character was clearly autistic or were you trying to say something else? (On the spectrum usually means Neuro-diverse but often has connotations of autism specifically)
@@mycenaeangal9312 I'm talking about the DM. You know. The victim in it all.
“You Did… What?”
This reminds me of what that problematic Dragonborn did in the first season of Critical Role.
He asked for Scanlan’s ring and got turned down. Scanlan’s player is absent one game and the dragonborn tried again when Matt Mercer was running as Scanlan.
This creep wanted to date a girl and the DM should have said NO, period.
On that last story, the DM should never have just taken John's work for it that LW "approved" the relationship and instead messaged her himself. Like, just a quick "yo, John said you gave the okay for his PC and your PC to start a relationship, can we proceed with that?" and at the "WTF NO JFC" shut that shit down.
Methinks Mr. Intimidation forgot the "Fight" part of "Fight or flight response." Also in terms of the romance thing, this is why you have a home base: so that absent players have somewhere for their character to be that isn't risky nor just T-posing in the void, and when they come back, any and all chores/tasks/crafting/etc that might've happened in that time can be caught up on. Even if it's just, "your character ran back to base to get supplies for this dungeon dive." Failing that, your character can stick back and keep watch if leaving a spot isn't an option, yanno?
We once had a character react badly to the local cuisine, because it was incompatible with his biology, so he was stuck on the toilet with constipation for the session. My character, who happened to be the same race was given some enchanted milk to prevent this from happening to her.
Last story - advice from someone who played a lot of tabletop. Who is also female. And queer. Don't be the only woman at the table of het men. Just don't be.
Because if one of them does try something creepy, or start spouting Tatey or PUA bullshit, or starts awkwardly flirting despite you being gay, sure there is a *chance* one of them might have your back. Just don't waste your time feeling shocked or betrayed if the far more likely scenario plays out where EVERYONE else is mysteriously struck blind and deaf, and suffers amnesia about your previously stated boundaries and preferences. Or WORSE, starts agreeing or egging That One Guy on.
At that moment you're on your own, and will either a) keep facing pressure, or b) make your displeasure known and get a reputation as a 'ball buster'.
What to do? Leave. Go online, find a group that's at least half female. And ideally with at least one other queer person. Not a guarantee, but your odds will be better.
HOO BOY
That last one... If someone ever did anything like that to my characters, I'd throw hands.
It sucks to lose a game or a friend but it sucks more being AGAINST FUCKING BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.
For the fourth story: the only thing that's a problem in my opinion is that he didn't address the problems with the dungeon master. Instead of having these problems for months and suddenly dropping off the game leaving the dungeon master high and dry and ready to fall, I think they should have verbalized their issues as soon as they realized it, Express their issues, to give the dungeon master a chance to learn about, acknowledge, and improve problems that they weren't aware of. If anything, it might actually raise the dungeon master spirits to see someone who is engaged to the point to that they take the time to speak about their issues and work with the dungeon master, after having two people leave unceremoniously.
communication goes a long way, i think there sometimes needs to be more out of game discussions about what the players hope to see in the game, experience and what sort of threats they might want to encounter, and whether they want more combat or more roleplay. Dm's need to be open to these conversations and there should be some level of agreeing, and it's ok to want different things. Like session 0 is good but if you are wanting to experience something that you dm isn't providing it's worth having a conversation before quitting, things change and maybe what you thought you wanted changes throughout the campaign/sessions.
"Would you reconsider letting me play in your sessions?"
Have you reconsidered your homophobia?
Canonically in Star Wars interspecies relationships *do* produce progeny (are procreative). In-universe the explanation is similar to Star Trek in that there was a progenitor race (the Rakatans) who engineered the others, meaning humans and others like Twileks share DNA. This also explains, as with Trek, why so many species have a similar body type to humans.
Someone, please tell That Guy that the film with Johnny Sins turning gay girls straight is the same level of fantasy as Alice in Wonderland. And should not be used as real-life reference.
Ugh, I had a similar issue to the last story, not with a DnD campaign, but with a shared sci-fi universe my friends and I would all write stories in. My character was a "straight gay" robot, my friend's character was an aroace female starship pilot, and the two characters were really close friends of the variety that seems completely weird to outsiders, like the "Are they dating?" "No, they're just weird like that for some reason," kind of relationship.
Well one guy we admittedly didn't like very much in hindsight didn't get the memo and kept trying to ship them together, even after literally everyone explained to him why they weren't compatible. Eventually his contributions to our shared universe got a little disturbing because he really wanted to make the cute pilot girl do the naughties with my robot for some reason. He started making us both uncomfortable and ultimately got kicked from the group. The friend heading the entire group admitted that she didn't realize how uncomfortable we were at first and allowed it as long as she did because when she asked him, he told her that we were in on it.
"I thought this was a sandbox!"
Sandbox campaigns are about being able to influence an open world, not to be free of consequence for being an asshole to everybody. Or for *blowing up yourself and your party because you were bored and thought you took half damage.* That one was the biggest wtf like... It's one thing to be a dick to NPCs, the DM might be annoyed but it's your character and the NPCs don't have to love you, but it's a whole 'nother can of worms to be a dick to your party, ESPECIALLY IF IT NEARLY KILLS THEM. The way it's written, it seems he only learned his lesson because he DIDN'T take half damage like he thought. He was perfectly fine with everybody else dying for his amusement, but HIM nearly dying is too far?
Yeah. It seems like the DM was waaaay too patient with that player's antisocial behavior and a confrontation should have taken place earlier where people explained to that player that the PCs are a team on the same side, and they should cooperate. Also explaining the IDEA of consequences, which seems so obvious to me that it blows my mind that people actually behave like there are no consequences, even if it's "just a game" (just a game that a group of people pour hundreds of hours of time and effort and emotional commitment to. if you want "no consequences" play alone)
Bruh tried to sleeping beauty a girl into being straight lmao creepy loser 💀😭 “bro she said yes just trust me bro I know what her character sheet says about her being lesbian but I’m different I’m not like other guys”
"Dude, you said you've became a pacifist!!"
"Yeah, I'm passing my fist through their guts! Duh!!"
I do love the "My spleen" from the pistol whipping.
Ooof I could relate to the Starfinder story. Right from the background, when OP said they were in a module without any roleplay. I went through an online game with the group of a mutual friend, and RP was minimal. Like, my character was introduced by appearing through a portal and coming along for the ride. It got to the point where meeting for these games felt like a weekly combat-slogging chore. Unlike the very mature OP, I wound up just ghosting the group. 😵 Wouldn't recommend this exact solution, but damn it's good to be out of that game.
After years of inactivity of being the Dungeon Master, I finally found a group to DM with. It was fine at first until one of my players, we'll call Otto, found out that another character was playing an insert otter. He came to me about it and told me he was a bit uncomfortable. We'd resolved it with a group chat. It was kind of sad to see a great character go though.
There's just times I have Crispy on in the background and when I'm zoned out I'll all of a sudden hear Crispy yelling and sword-stab.mp3 playing.
Wow... on the subject of payment, I used to occasionally GM for organized play at the local gameshop. Players were charged a couple bucks to play a module, which was given to the table's GM in the form of store credit, so it usually totaled to about $10-15/session. While it wasn't much, it was nice incentive to try out GMing and those who would frequently GM would make enough to support at least some of their gaming habits. I've come across other groups that will buy the GM's meal when they hang out for game sessions, but I've never come across a GM that is so entitled to ask for that much money, especially when they're already living rent free.
Whole lot of victim blaming in the comments regarding someone not wanting to stay friends with an openly unapologetic homophobe. Either saying intolerant people should be tolerated, old friendships should mean more than discriminatory beliefs, or OP should have tried changing him. Guy chose to be homophobic, why should people offended by that have to support such people?
Fact! And no, intolerant people should not be tolerated. Freedom of speech only guarantees the right to say what one wants, not that that speech never has consequences.
Starfinder story: I'm going to assume OP is right about the DM being an introvert. It's always tough when an introvert puts themselves out there. It's even rougher seeing them receive what MIGHT look or feel like negative feedback. Then, you got OP processing their feelings and feeling bad over how the DM might feel when they leave. It legit broke my heart for both people. I hope the DM bounces back from this and that OP finds a Starfinder campaign they can enjoy to the end.
If you’re a DM (or even another player) and one of your players has to step away from the table, ALWAYS keep that player up to date on what’s happening each session.
And if you’re that player who must step away, INSIST on getting important info after each season.
Even if you just trade text messages back and forth. There is no reason a player should EVER be out of the loop on their own character.
I was often an absent player (TLDR: Mother in a hospital, she's better now) so me and my DM came up with a funny background idea for my Character...
In the game we often held parties as a celebration of our victory after a difficult encounter. We then just wrote in that my character (Half-Elf) was a light-weight and got so KO'd by the tiniest sip of Wine, that he slept for a whole session, it became a recurring joke, (one that I found funny too) until I could play more frequently again... "No more alcohol for you, buddy," said my Druid friend. XD
As a fellow “light weight” I understand and appreciate you sharing this
That starfinder story hits hard for me. Scheduling issues and getting players can be hard, but somehow this issue is worse in starfinder. The homebrew issue is very big: starfinder is already a game with some very rich lore and a lot of cool stuff to explore, to the point that nothing you can replace it with is likely to beat it.
My Starfinder campaign fell apart for similar reasons. So that one... hurt.
I left one game due to lack of fun (and a few other small reasons too) so the Starfinder story was relatable. And on romance plots, that is something you NEED players at the table for, even with permission to do it whole absent. And the entire table should check, especially the DM, if permission was ACTUALLY granted. My own group had been joking about setting my character, an Orc Fighter/Rogue, up on dates and I said sure if it happens naturally. Well, come one session and our druid asks me to stay back a bit as we head back to a gala dinner. And he asks my character out. EVERYONE was thrown for a loop, even though we had made a joke about it less than a week prior. I said yes and the two male characters were VERY awkward for a bit lol. It was cute. He set up this elaborate cute date for us, but when the session for it cane, we actually delayed the game a day as he would miss it. That session was actually this recent Thursday (Aug 24, 2023) and was amazing. I am kinda in charge of our next date lol.
that was a whole jumpscare because AMITY WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE-
If you like the art, check out the original artist! They're linked in the description (the full piece is AWESOME).
Also, if you like Amity, I've got a surprise for Spooky Season...
The last story is going into uncanny valley territory for me, oof. So glad OP got better friends.
Ya can’t. Force. Romance.
The thing about making a pacifist isnt about not fighting its about actively trying to not kill and it can be so fun and can really control your fellow party mates by counteracting their murder hobo ness
DM: Glad to see you back. While you were gone, you started a relationship with one of the other PCs, had 10 kids and are stuck at home taking care of them, while your significant other goes on adventures. Is that cool?
With Crispy on the not having fun one, you don't owe anyone your time & if you're not having fun, don't force yourself.
The only thing i would've suggested before leaving is having a discussion with the two if them to see if you couldn't do something else that you might enjoy more, who knows maybe your fellow pc also wasn't having fun, hell maybe the DM wasnt having fun as band & subdued you made them seem. Passion & energy typically go hand-in-hand, so maybe with a new spark, it could've resolved the issue.
All that said, just as Crispy said, you're not obligated to do any of that.
Hey, Crisp and friends! A long rant here, just want an opinion about a DnD encounter I had where I don't know if I was right to freak out. I've watched your videos non stop for the past few years. Thanks for your tips and horror stories if you read this Crisp! 💚
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TLDR: A DM that didn't know anything about running DnD pretty much stalked me until the end of the school year.
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I know this might not be read, but the third or fourth story vaugely reminded me of my "second" DnD game. The first, I was too young to understand that dragons wouldn't erupt out of the papers and I didn't like writing, I'm glad my uncle at least tried, but understood I didn't fully understand. This time, I thought it was set and, although I didn't know all the rules, I connected the dots from your channel and other YT DnD stories to know some stuff.
I was in high school, first or second year. I met a guy (I'll call DM) that had a very.. vivid imagination. I do wonder if he had something mental going on, or just had trouble talking to people. DM and I talked and hung out during class playing games and such, and at some point I brought up me wanting to try DnD. My uncle passed away a few years before and I felt like I should try the game he wanted to show me. Plus, I was roleplaying online and writing more fanfics than ever for different games and shows I liked.
DM offered to invite me to his campaign. He showed me a messily drawn map(no jugding to him ofc) and told me, like my stories, the territories were all based on fandoms he likes. FNaF was in a haunted woods, Terraria was slime ridden ruins etc. I of course joined.
The first red flag was that he wasn't allowed to use Discord. Not that he couldn't, he wasn't allowed. I asked why, and he said "I got in trouble with some stuff." And his parents only let him use his phone at home? I was creeped out to all Hell, but I brushed it off and asked who else was playing. DM said there's one other person so far but "you wouldn't know them." I didn't know many people in school anyways but this was so, so strange.
He sent me a GoogleDoc link on our school computers, and between classes told me to write my character, backstory, and find a DnD template to fill. I tried to say hello to the other player, but they were never online.
I worked so hard in the next week drawing a character. A harengon(at the time I thought it was rabbitfolk) necromancer with a cult like fox diety giving him his abilities at a price of draining a percentage of his HP. I used the most used template I could find, wrote down as much as I could figure, and added my digital art(hopefully watermarked😭) to the page. I asked DM about the empty places.
DM: "Just write a melee and ranged weapon in your inventory"
Me: "But my character is more of a medic since he's very anxious and is a certified wuss."
DM: "Add it anyways. He needs a way to defend himself."
It was obvious he didn't know what the Hell he was doing. Because it was on a GoogleDoc, you were able to fake your rolls, he didn't even know what to roll for except for initiative IF AT ALL.
The first day, I looked over the doc and saw DM made a DMPC. I gave him the bennefit of the doubt. This world was based on his interests afterall. He used stolen art of a kitsuné, but this was a closed setting so its probably okay. But his level. HIS LEVEL. 20,000?? I asked him why his level was so ungodly high, when me and the mystery player started at LV1, and he said:
DM: "I've been playing for maybe five years" (bold face lie through the computer screen)
Me: "Can you at least lower your level?"
DM: "No! This is my main OC!!" (w/ stolen art??)
Me: "So were your other players gonna join to level out the team?"
DM: "No, you two are the only other players. I've been playing alone until now."
Jesus Christ.
Nevertheless, I played the first day. I was mostly trying to see if the mystery person was even real, but they didn't play that day. DM's DMPC led me into the Terraria territory overwealmed with LV20 slimes. Again, I'm LV1. So DM just swept through them on his own. He kept doing actions like, I swipe through the slimes with ease(no dice but it didn't matter anyways) and I pick you up and fly over the broken walls. My character is the six feet tall and probably near 250lbs. from all the useless items DM made me carry.
I cut the "campaign" short, and said good luck to his game, removed all art from the page, and even taking extra deletion measures cause he pretty much gave me mod privilages. I hope he didn't steal my art. I worked so hard on my little guy, and has since added more to his backstory for my online friends to RP and help edit with me. My moss covered hare is one of my favorite OCs so far.
But DM didn't stop. We met eachother outside of school at the pickup spot for cars, and he realized I sit on the same bench every day listening to music. I understand he must've thought I was lonely, and after a few days of talking I told him so, but he didn't stop. DM would walk out from the portable classroom his last class was in right as he saw me.
He gave me his number so we can call later in the few hours he has his phone, and I traded him mine. I've since stopped doing this and if they don't have Discord, it's tough luck. I told him for extra security, say a codeword. I said Locky, my favorite OC. He said Pup. I said I was a furry like him. But I know WTF that means. If you don't know, pup is pretty much a codeword that furries call themselves that means they like p0rn of baby furries. So an ass backwards saying you're a p€do. Then and there I FINALLY cut him off. And thankfully, we accidentally swapped our phone numbers back so he can't contact me again.
Still was paranoid for a while though. He kept going to my spot after school and small talking, and pretty much stalked me to each of my classes to see if I was near his. It got to the point that I'd bring a jacket in my bag, wear it all day no matter how hot it was, and pit stop in the bathroom to change when the bell rang for school to let out. He knew my classes, he knew where I sat at lunch and after school. My mom said I was too paranoid and he was just awkward, but even when I told her all this she didn't seem as worried as she should. As a transitioned man, and not really looking the part yet, I was scared this asshole would do something. I've heard stories from my fellow trans friends and even other schools about how they're harrassed. I didn't want to be the next.
Thankfully, he got the hint as summer rolled around, and he has only made smalp glances in passing ever since. Was I rightfully scared? Or was I overreacting. I understand if I was just paranoid, but a good outside opinion would be nice.
LATE EDIT: I DIDN'T EVEN MENTION HIM FULL ON RANTING TO ME AFTER SCHOOL ABOUT HIS LONG LOST BROTHER FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION??
He was full on serious, and drew crude and gorey drawings of him killing this twin and his twin killing animals. Yet another reason why I should've read the flage sooner..
I would have made John roll a Persuasion check.
"To seduce the lesbian wood elf, right?" No, it's to persuade her not to take offence to his second unwelcome advance.
I really do feel bad for the DM that was loosing players, and yeah Crispy is true: if the op talked to their DM about how felt about the game earlier then maybe the DM could learn and change it up.
Czepeku’s map are awesome. I’ve supported their Patreon for a while now.
Good to hear!
Funny enough I'm in a party with two evil players and two good/neutral players and the dynamic is pretty good. There's a fifth player whose character has dual personality because of his bloodline, so the two evil players are in good terms with his evil persona while the good/neutral players are friendly with his good personality. It's really fun and just like most party dynamics it can work as long as the players are cooperative and not a-holes
Love that you're also fan of TOH! Your Ghost staff is fantastic!
"my true love overcame your lesbianism" LMFAOOOOO
I can relate to the Starfinder horror story. You know those Fire Emblem units who you find standing around the map, they say, “Oh great and mighty MC, I work for you now. Though my stats are trash, I have faith that you lead us to victory” and never talk again? It’s not THAT bad, but that’s about what my situation is. Only 2 PCs are actually important to the plot, and even though me making a contact to work with one of them, she almost never talked to me ic again since then. And also rarely with the other 2 non mcs. The dm at least lets us others have our own moments in the downtime…
Crispy is studying the blade and growing in power
"PACIFISM!!!" got me 🤣🤣
Welp, the biggest lesson here is that you can't force romance
"Then why are you punishing us for it?"
Something something, the consequences of my own actions
26:54 Not ok for the GM. Not ok for the player. Not ok for the other players for not speaking up. I'd be gone and out of that group so fast.
For absent party members a group my ex-girlfriend used to belong to would have an item called "the magic teapot". If a player couldn't make it their character's soul and person would be "randomly" sucked into the teapot. The teapot was effective indestructible but also somewhat cursed (so any attempt to use it's indestructability or mass compaction abilities for anything else the attempt would automagically fail). In terms of plot critical events or where a character would normally have to step in (eg a healer or rogue) the party could rub the lamp and the character would be drawn out of the lamp for a short time but only present enough to do their critical activity or message, and get drawn back in; so no "relationships" or gaming could effect them [beyond average party xp accrual].
This gave an in-game option for the absence, it didn't cripple the game for critical event planning, removed "oops you're dead","your consumable item X is now run down","relationships"; the DM played the Teapotted character, so even hidden information on character sheets couldn't be meta-gamed. It even gave an option for suitable beloved characters, if appropriate, to travel through from the past [the Teapot could be lost and then re-surface anywhere in past of future - as controlled by the DM and his curse judgement].
I believe the person who invented it was named Chris; and to me it will always be "The Teapot of Dawn"
Homie thought he could sneak in the owl house art and we wouldnt notice
Please check out the original artist in the description! The full version of this image is SO good.
Also, if you like the Owl House I've got a cool surprise in October...
Who the 'we' in Crispy's 'our'? I thought it was just him doing the editing.
Oh, wait! The clones... of course
Came for the animated rat, now I’m here for the deep clone lore.
Always love seeing (well, hearing mostly as I tend to be at work when I catch these) your skits.
the only time an absent player character should do anything is basically when the party needs them for one critical thing in their hour of need or whatever -- so usually that just means healing, or something along those lines. if you need them for any character decisions and so on, my recommendation is an emphatic DON'T.
some people seem to treat the idea of DND as "immediately try to find out the glitches in the code, like putting a bucket on the merchants head in skyrim"
Ok but "Placeholders" is an amazing team name xD
CAN'T FORCE ROMANCE!
paying to play in a campaign is probably one of the dumbest things i have ever heard of
From the title I was really hoping we were going to see a horror story about someone using enchantment spells to force an in game relationship. That would have been the tea.
I never understand in these stories how the one telling them is like: They are all wonderful people and I love them, they just like to be murderous uncooperative psychopaths and don't seem to understand the concept of causality.
No honey, they are NOT wonderful people.
with the not being able to attend every session thing, my friend whos DMing a pokemon themed champain and we have set up a really cool system whenever i can't attend, cus my character for it is a warlock (or psycic) his patron will pick him up and plop him in diffrent areas of the timeline to sort stuff out and do other missons, allowing the rest of the party to carry on without my character and allows me and the dm to play a little bit alone when we have time and then rejoining whenever our scesuals lineup.
we havent plaied it yet as the champain is still being made and set up but i think it sounds like a good salution and be fun for everyone.
Kicking Dave out was definitely the right move, but I feel like you could have gotten through to him by turning it back on him.
Like "$10 an hour per person, including time prepping".
"Sure. We could play once every two weeks for three hours, five player, say two hours prep for every hour played?
That comes out to about $900 per month, so you'll only owe us $100 for the rent."
fun fact. ender games the novels had 2 sequals and a spin off where u follow bean through his adventure in the first game
OMG guys its a rat!!!! this is the best part of my day by far!
Yeah, the problem with John wasn't that he's male. There are way bigger problems with him, and I honestly can't decide which explaination is the least problematic, because anything I can think of becomes that after just a few seconds when I try to explain it to myself. But also, If they knew she doesn't want her character to have a love arc (either at all or with a non-femail character, but it doesn't really matter here), but John does, why did they believe him, and why didn't the DM himself contact OP with a question altering the whole story?
Since the dawn of human kind as a species, we have always been afraid of what we do not understand.. now different people display their fear in very different ways.. and what we see being brought to light, is when scare people lash out at what they do not understand …
Implying Qanon was ever cool 😂
I know the problem with player not being able to play, My solution is GRPC (General-Purpose role playing Character) or Gree for short the "Replacement" a sort of a DMNPC i make just using The basic rules it has a the necessary stats and abilities to (TEMPORALLY) replace them (a sort of poof this guy/girl appears saying they are standing in For "Character" and play them as backup/protection sort of thing (they have no back story, and minimal Personality as they will say "I'm only here till "character" gets back, if asked to do something outrageous they will say "sorry not in my contract" and make them drop it, When the player comes back they will say "well my job here is done - Bye" and poof they are Replaced with the players character , and then their is the monologue of "while you were gone" (note i generally give them the points they would have got if they were playing) - it has gone over somewhat well as it allows play to continue
Murder Hobos are not Role Players .
Little bit late but still have to add it: Intimidation doesn't have to conflict with pacifism, if done right.
"I will smash your kids head in if you don't tell me what I want to know!" Not pacifistic.
"Look, I know how hard your life is and how hard it is to get enough food for your family. It would be a shame if you would get arrested and your kid would starve to death, wouldn't it?" Definitly intimidating but something a pacifist could still do.
thanks for getting straight into the story ^^
john went like you like girls, i like girls we got so much in common
"My spleen!" Hit me harder than I expected.
your dramatizations are perfect 😂
SHOULD HAVE TOLD JOHN TO SIT AND SPIN AND TOLD THE DM TO RUN IT BY YOU FIRST TO MAKE SURE HE WASN'T LYING!😤🖕
Jesus hell I thought the one story was about my crew because we called our squad “the place holders” as a place holder but then kept it to piss off one of the players (affectionately)
"Yes, I pronounced that right!", 2 seconds later you said "session" instead of "season". Love the videos, keep the cringe coming!
Coming in to say this because Rango is my favorite movie, but the rabbit from Rango mentioned at 2:34 is an alcoholic doctor named Doc Kenny, he’s a jack rabbit with one ear, dirty fur, and crooked whiskers
Same bro, living alone is the best.