Thanks Ryan. I would add that the "heavy" part of the topspin is generated by points you've made in other videos which are: racquet arm elbow back (which helps with the face pointing down) and the lagging of the racquet or IOW angle of the forearm to racquet, which helps increase power and topspin. At time 3:32, you can see Sinner's racquet head is pointing directly behind him, parallel to the ground, and essentially underlining the Emirates Fly Better logo!
When he addresses the ball his knees are bent and when he hits his right leg straightens noticeably, his hip turns, his body turns, also moves (ever so slightly) slightly against the ball and these big muscles generate the power. The wrist adds to that, but imo isn’t the most important factor. The same kinetic chain applies in boxing when throwing a right cross, a pretty heavy punch.
Always love your videos. Thank you for posting them daily. Could you in a future video explain the trade off between hitting through the ball vs. windshield whipper (bigger contact windows vs. more spin)? In this video, Sinner's spacing and timing impressed me much more than his swing path.
You put out the best instructive videos bar none. I have a question about where his eyes are when he is making contact. I was told you should be focused on the ball. But he appears to be doing what I see most players do, that is, looking peripherally ahead and at the ball at the same time. Could you please comment.
I’ve cracked multiple racquets on full commitment forehand’s above the grip below the throat on all the cracks. Those breaks only happen when I’m completely loaded sitting down on my shot with full uncoiling. Personally, hitting the ball from the bottom of your feet and exploding with a hip rotation followed by shoulder rotation are prolly more important for the swing path itself. These pros even in the smallest amount of time get much more coiling than normal people do at this pace of game. It’s unreal.
i have watched alot of videoes to help improve my forhand since i started playing again in sept2022 as a recreational player, almost every videos takes about buttcap front..racket lag...close face...wiper loop ..hitting the ball perpenticular etc...but haven come across one that talks about WHEN to hit the ball and the effect. i have been trying to hit harder and doing all the swing...lag etc and shots have been very inconsistent with many saling to the back fence. until i realised that if i hit the ball on the dip slightly after peaking, i get a much higher success rate in hitting the ball hard and landing it near the back line. tried to find mroe info and there are alot of videos talking about hitting it on the rise. some brush thru on when to hit the ball but none dedicate to talks about hitting it on the dip or at the peak and what happens when hitting on different points on the dip or at the dip. but i thinnk this is one area that will greatly improve success hitting rate than just focusing on HOW to hit the ball.
The racquet face angle at contact tends to be dominated by the grip. Timing, etc. can affect it but it is mostly the grip. If you have an eastern grip you are going to tend to be square at contact, not closed.
0:55 He probably naturally closed his racquet face without knowing, but I think there is a very good chance he knows as he said in multiple interviews that he is actively working on his technique, he also talks a bit about what he has changed.
Not naturally. To get to that level they all trained since they were young to build muscle memory. The lagging, buttcap pointing toward the ball is unnatural. I’ve trained a few people, kids and adults, I know this. Most recreational players I play with don’t lag. They don’t point the buttcap towards the ball and they think it’s weird to do that.
@@tehattePlayers that are as talented as Sinner do most of it naturally especially things like closing the racquet face right before contact. They need coaching to perfect their technique, but most of the basics come naturally to them. I myself needed no explanation on many things like racquet lag, closing the racquet face etc. even though I'm not talented. I just needed to know the basics like a unit turn, or using your legs but the rest came quite naturally by just playing a lot.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten In my experience the beginning in learning tennis is harder than in the later stages and kids don’t just naturally hit the ball correctly. I started as an adult but self learned from RUclips and wanted to learn proper techniques with the topspin FH and 2H BH. It wasn’t easy and it took years to build the muscle memory. I went on to teach my kids, nephews, wife so I knew what they had to go through. Just for the FH, the grip, the lagging, the windshield wiper, how to move the hip, the elbow, the wrist … it’s very tedious you have to learn it step by step, day in day out consistently. If you don’t spend enough hours on the court doing the repetitive drills you won’t achieve the muscle memory. You can ask every coach they’ll all say that.
Great video🤗👍! Just what I needed as I like a low ball and believe or not I see that I open the face so my balls can fly out. You say you can use the eastern grip to create this swing path. Which grip do you think is best though in relation to this swing path?
at 3:55 when you do your topspin pro swings. 1. Your left arm should not be straight and 2. you don't even follow the same path with your wrist/forearm like the sinner video... Wont people be copying this?!
I don’t understand what you mean when you say his closed racket face allows him to hit upward. Cant i have a more open face and still willingly swing upwards?
Hi Priya. I’d love to help you. Simply go to 2MinuteTennis.net to order a stroke analysis lesson or Zoom private lesson. What stroke do you need to improve?
Incorrect. Have a another look at his forehand again Jovy. Rune’s forehand is more “whippy” than Sinner’s, however, he still hits that checkpoint of having a closed face
The idea that the ball goes where the strings point is an idea that is 90% correct. More correct than wrong. A coach’s job isn’t to be 100% correct. A coach’s job is to be 100% helpful. There’s a difference. Thanks!!
@@2MinuteTennis I don't know how you got this 90%.. forehands/backhands should be hit with closed racket.. (as you say :) .. they constitute how much.. 60?/70?/80? % of all strokes.. so not much room is left for this idea to be correct..
@@wkozwkoz6255 i can’t explain more simply. If I open the face the ball goes up for a lob. If I have the racket too closed it goes down into the ground. If I have my face pointing forward the ball goes forward.
@@wkozwkoz6255 the direction the racket travels the the incidence and reflection of the ball do alter that a bit but all in all…the idea that the ball goes where the strings point is a reliable way to explain how to control the ball and make it go places.
@@2MinuteTennis well... the more I think about it the less correct it seems to me.. I and 1 000 000 other players) can hit forward / downwards /upwards with an open and a closed racket,.. in my opinion it's more difficult to indicate cases where this idea can be 100% true than it's not.. (but.. there is gravity.. so.. even those rare cases.. must be excluded..)
So you’re saying that if i throw my body weight into the shot, swing the racket freely but open my racket face / have racket face up, i can hit a heavy forehand?
@@MaiTizzle yeah, it will just go to the sky, like when the winner launches the ball into the crowd after winning the match. You still have to put shape on the ball. Think the point here was to say that hitting with more “spin” doesn’t make the shot “heavy.” The video really just spoke about getting more spin rather than getting more plow on the ball, except for the last 5 seconds where he mentioned compressing the ball against the strings.
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Met Sinner at IW this year. Super humble guy and took his time autographing for everyone there.
Lucky you!
Thanks Ryan. I would add that the "heavy" part of the topspin is generated by points you've made in other videos which are: racquet arm elbow back (which helps with the face pointing down) and the lagging of the racquet or IOW angle of the forearm to racquet, which helps increase power and topspin. At time 3:32, you can see Sinner's racquet head is pointing directly behind him, parallel to the ground, and essentially underlining the Emirates Fly Better logo!
When he addresses the ball his knees are bent and when he hits his right leg straightens noticeably, his hip turns, his body turns, also moves (ever so slightly) slightly against the ball and these big muscles generate the power. The wrist adds to that, but imo isn’t the most important factor. The same kinetic chain applies in boxing when throwing a right cross, a pretty heavy punch.
Always love your videos. Thank you for posting them daily.
Could you in a future video explain the trade off between hitting through the ball vs. windshield whipper (bigger contact windows vs. more spin)?
In this video, Sinner's spacing and timing impressed me much more than his swing path.
This is quite interesting! Thank you for uploading this video :)
Glad you liked it!
I always like his finish where it loops back down over his shoulder I've tried to recreate a similar action bit it doesn't feel natural like his does
You put out the best instructive videos bar none. I have a question about where his eyes are when he is making contact. I was told you should be focused on the ball. But he appears to be doing what I see most players do, that is, looking peripherally ahead and at the ball at the same time. Could you please comment.
I’ve cracked multiple racquets on full commitment forehand’s above the grip below the throat on all the cracks. Those breaks only happen when I’m completely loaded sitting down on my shot with full uncoiling. Personally, hitting the ball from the bottom of your feet and exploding with a hip rotation followed by shoulder rotation are prolly more important for the swing path itself. These pros even in the smallest amount of time get much more coiling than normal people do at this pace of game. It’s unreal.
i have watched alot of videoes to help improve my forhand since i started playing again in sept2022 as a recreational player, almost every videos takes about buttcap front..racket lag...close face...wiper loop ..hitting the ball perpenticular etc...but haven come across one that talks about WHEN to hit the ball and the effect. i have been trying to hit harder and doing all the swing...lag etc and shots have been very inconsistent with many saling to the back fence. until i realised that if i hit the ball on the dip slightly after peaking, i get a much higher success rate in hitting the ball hard and landing it near the back line. tried to find mroe info and there are alot of videos talking about hitting it on the rise. some brush thru on when to hit the ball but none dedicate to talks about hitting it on the dip or at the peak and what happens when hitting on different points on the dip or at the dip. but i thinnk this is one area that will greatly improve success hitting rate than just focusing on HOW to hit the ball.
Awesome - You go this!
The racquet face angle at contact tends to be dominated by the grip. Timing, etc. can affect it but it is mostly the grip. If you have an eastern grip you are going to tend to be square at contact, not closed.
0:55 He probably naturally closed his racquet face without knowing, but I think there is a very good chance he knows as he said in multiple interviews that he is actively working on his technique, he also talks a bit about what he has changed.
Not naturally. To get to that level they all trained since they were young to build muscle memory. The lagging, buttcap pointing toward the ball is unnatural. I’ve trained a few people, kids and adults, I know this. Most recreational players I play with don’t lag. They don’t point the buttcap towards the ball and they think it’s weird to do that.
@@tehattePlayers that are as talented as Sinner do most of it naturally especially things like closing the racquet face right before contact. They need coaching to perfect their technique, but most of the basics come naturally to them.
I myself needed no explanation on many things like racquet lag, closing the racquet face etc. even though I'm not talented. I just needed to know the basics like a unit turn, or using your legs but the rest came quite naturally by just playing a lot.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten In my experience the beginning in learning tennis is harder than in the later stages and kids don’t just naturally hit the ball correctly. I started as an adult but self learned from RUclips and wanted to learn proper techniques with the topspin FH and 2H BH. It wasn’t easy and it took years to build the muscle memory. I went on to teach my kids, nephews, wife so I knew what they had to go through. Just for the FH, the grip, the lagging, the windshield wiper, how to move the hip, the elbow, the wrist … it’s very tedious you have to learn it step by step, day in day out consistently. If you don’t spend enough hours on the court doing the repetitive drills you won’t achieve the muscle memory. You can ask every coach they’ll all say that.
Another great video! Thank you
trendy forehand! awesome!
The guy at 3:55 plays like Sinner, he may have a bright future
Great video🤗👍! Just what I needed as I like a low ball and believe or not I see that I open the face so my balls can fly out. You say you can use the eastern grip to create this swing path. Which grip do you think is best though in relation to this swing path?
Loose wrists (allowing fast racquet head speed) and amazing timing
What program/app are you using to create these angles on video?
I can't exactly remember what he uses, but it is not available anymore.
One of my favorite forehands :)
This is helpful!
at 3:55 when you do your topspin pro swings. 1. Your left arm should not be straight and 2. you don't even follow the same path with your wrist/forearm like the sinner video... Wont people be copying this?!
I don’t understand what you mean when you say his closed racket face allows him to hit upward. Cant i have a more open face and still willingly swing upwards?
You can… But if you have an open face and swing up you’re going to send the ball over the fence. What you described is what beginners do.
I also try to be a bit of a coach in my society. I advise people to have a 90 degree angle between the racquet and forearm to create a lag position
Es decir que su empuñadura en este? O semiwester?
Why i shank so much when i apply this method of closing racket and swinging up ?
@@tennisandogs you may be closing too much. Tilt the strings down a bit less and you’ll shank less. Thanks!
@@2MinuteTennis okay thank you I'll try this
Could I send my video for you to analyze?
Hi Priya. I’d love to help you. Simply go to 2MinuteTennis.net to order a stroke analysis lesson or Zoom private lesson. What stroke do you need to improve?
I think Richie Cunningham is going to do big things on tour!
Haha love it
@@2MinuteTennis You won't be able to unsee it now...
Does anyone find there non dominant hand interfering with the site of the ball? I tried really rotating during a forehand.
I shank a lot when I do this!
Rune’s racket is not tilted down as Sinner but his forehand is as lethal!
Incorrect. Have a another look at his forehand again Jovy. Rune’s forehand is more “whippy” than Sinner’s, however, he still hits that checkpoint of having a closed face
racket is closed and even though the ball is going upwards.. interesting.. so who is still saying that the ball travels where the strings point? :)
The idea that the ball goes where the strings point is an idea that is 90% correct. More correct than wrong. A coach’s job isn’t to be 100% correct. A coach’s job is to be 100% helpful. There’s a difference. Thanks!!
@@2MinuteTennis I don't know how you got this 90%.. forehands/backhands should be hit with closed racket.. (as you say :) .. they constitute how much.. 60?/70?/80? % of all strokes.. so not much room is left for this idea to be correct..
@@wkozwkoz6255 i can’t explain more simply. If I open the face the ball goes up for a lob. If I have the racket too closed it goes down into the ground. If I have my face pointing forward the ball goes forward.
@@wkozwkoz6255 the direction the racket travels the the incidence and reflection of the ball do alter that a bit but all in all…the idea that the ball goes where the strings point is a reliable way to explain how to control the ball and make it go places.
@@2MinuteTennis well... the more I think about it the less correct it seems to me.. I and 1 000 000 other players) can hit forward / downwards /upwards with an open and a closed racket,.. in my opinion it's more difficult to indicate cases where this idea can be 100% true than it's not.. (but.. there is gravity.. so.. even those rare cases.. must be excluded..)
Heavy ball is generated by throwing your weight and racket freely not racket face down
Thanks for commenting!
So you’re saying that if i throw my body weight into the shot, swing the racket freely but open my racket face / have racket face up, i can hit a heavy forehand?
@@MaiTizzle still need to close racket face
@@MaiTizzle racket face is not the key of heavy ball. Power is transferred from feet all the way to the ball.
@@MaiTizzle yeah, it will just go to the sky, like when the winner launches the ball into the crowd after winning the match. You still have to put shape on the ball.
Think the point here was to say that hitting with more “spin” doesn’t make the shot “heavy.”
The video really just spoke about getting more spin rather than getting more plow on the ball, except for the last 5 seconds where he mentioned compressing the ball against the strings.
Sinner's doing a frisbee letter C, not a ferris wheel letter C.
Who came here after Sinner won AO2024? ✋✋✋
Interesante
as the game move more and more towards spin. the classic game is pretty much over.
He doesn’t look at the ball at contact 😮
lost me at play your court. All 5 people that use it
Thanks for commenting!
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it's great but Federer forehand is better.
Sinner’s forehand - even Carlos A. finds it fast snd heavy taking time away from Carlos
How about the angle of the topspin pro?
Take the shield off (takes 5 seconds) and you can swing up and through at that same angle.