Hah, let me know if this lives up to Plato's style, Agamemnon, Professor Xavier, and Bart Simpson met one day for a race. The award for the winner of the race was slated to be handed out by Socrates. Agamemnon was beaming knowing within neither a cripple nor a distracted child with ADHD could possibly defeat him. He first approached Bart and enthusiastically asked him "do you really think you can beat me in a race, little boy?" Bart replied: "hell no." "Hah, of course!" exclaimed Agamemnon. "If it weren't even just for the fact that you are a puny child racing against the warlord who sacked Troy you would lose, but besides that, your mind is insufficient. Even without the favor of the Zeus I would overcome you by sheer will-power." Xavier rolled up in his wheel-chair. "You know, Agamemnon, you really shouldn't be picking on a child like that, even if you are a king of kings you're also a mere king of bullies." Agamemnon laughed, "Yes, of course you would defend the boy, the man crippled in body and the boy crippled in mind. And I am aware of your super-powers, you could control my mind or levitate your body and possibly win this way. But I believe the rules do state you are not allowed to use your psychic powers to win..." He looked over at Socrates sure the fellow Greek would have his back. The old man politely affirmed the truth with a nod and a smile. Xavier had to rely on his body to win, not his super-powers. "Yes, I am correct as always -" Agamemnon continued, "you cannot use your power so my victory is a given. Prat all you want in the boy's defence, you both may as well just give up now." Bart had a history of giving up, his father had even encouraged it as a child, but at that moment Xavier could sense the boy's thoughts with his telepathy and recognized how close Bart was to doing exactly what Agamemnon suggested. His spirit hurt from countless punishments so he had learned to always give up, play the bad-boy and play the fool. The professor spoke silently through pure thought to the boy and said "Don't let his insults get to you. Don't give up before the race begins. It doesn't matter if we out-run him, if we let him extinguish our spirit that's when we truly lose." Bart was puzzled by this encouragement and his mind was filled with contradictory memories of teachers and principals who only ever had a bad word to say about him. "You're really not like the teachers back home, Prof!" Bart replied. "Sadly so." Xavier thought back. Socrates called everyone to the starting line. Agamemnon wasn't even bothering to stretch, so certain he was of victory. Bart was looking down at his blue shorts uncertainly, none-the-less he donned his lucky red cap with a glimmer of hope he could win. Xavier began to use his upper-body to climb down from his wheel-chair but Socrates graciously stepped to his side to help his academic peer get down on his belly with a smile. He was ready to race the only way he could - by hand instead of leg. Socrates returned to his position and announced "The rules are clear, the person most worthy of victory will cross the finish line through the best application of mind and body, but not by any powers whatsoever." After this he counted down, "three, two, one!" and they all began. It took no time at all for Agamemnon to cross the finish line. He ran his fastest, hardly willing to try any less despite his certain knowledge he would claim first place. Bart ran a little but became frustrated as soon as Agamemnon passed the finish line. But even here Xavier's voice chimed into his thoughts like a cricket on the shoulder and said: "just cross the finish-line, don't let his finishing first stop you." Bart shrugged and decided to walk. Xavier meanwhile crawled, dragging himself foot-by-foot. It took Bart 12 minutes to cross the finish line. By the time he made it Xavier was three quarters of the way through, and in three more minutes he crossed the finish-line last. Agamemnon was beaming. He had known he was going to win from the beginning. Still, crushing the two of them still felt good to him. Bart had sat down and was fiddling with a dandelion, a look of discouragement on his face. Socrates came up to the three behind the professor's wheel chair and just as graciously helped him back into it. Socrates said "I have confirmed who has won first, second and third place." He handed each an envelope. Agamemnon was not sure why the suspense but he greedily snatched up his envelope anyways. When he opened it to find he had received the third-place prize he grew desperate and frenzy, he was cheated! He cried out to the gods and began kicking down the various boundaries and structures that had been set-up for the race. Meanwhile, Bart went bug-eyed, exclaimed "Ay caramba!" and was emotionally stunned to see the first prize come out of the envelope and into his hand. Xavier hadn't even bothered to open his envelope - he knew what Socrates was thinking the whole time, after all. Agamemnon charged right up to Socrates and came face-to-face with the old man who did not flinch and in-fact was beaming. "How DARE you!?" he cried, "This victory was mine! I thought as a Greek you would have my back at the very least, but as a philosopher you would see the truth clearly in all things! How could you possibly give this runt of a boy first-place and this crippled professor second-place when I crossed the finish line third!?" Socrates cleared his throat and innocently asked, "What did the rules state about who would win, oh king of kings?" Agamemnon replied, "Why, he who first crossed the finish line by application of mind and body, Socrates. Which I did perfectly!" Socrates responded thus: "indeed the rules said victory goes to they who will cross the finish line through the best application of mind and body. And indeed your body moved best, but your boastful mind is what drove your body there. Xavier struggled the most, dragging across the ground as a result of his injury and in this sense worked more nobly than you. His body could not help but function as it did, but his mind is that of a hero and so his will sustained him. Even here it could not be said he best crossed the finish line, for Bart began the race dismayed, hurt and ill within. His brain, you see, does not convert dopamine into norepinephrine well-enough so execution is extra difficult for him. So right from the beginnings of life he suffered a set-back in being able to summon his will and turn it into action in the first place. But beside this, over the years he suffered the stigma of difficulty motivating into action and so further had to fight back against a long history of having given in due to a lack of support. Finally, when he approached this race he was further bullied by you, oh king of kings! Under these limits and conditions, how could one even consider that he would start the race, let alone finish it? But with only the slightest protection of the professor here, he turned all that around and crossed the finish line, not to win, not for his ego, not for any reason at all but beside that he was able to take some encouragement and turn it into action. Under these conditions specifically I consider neither you nor Xavier to be the winners, but Bart, who best took the least abled mind and turned it into sufficient action despite having never have tasted the heroism which, of course, the three of us have." Agamemnon was not the least bit pleased, but sunk into shame. He realized - as always - Socrates had discovered the flaws in his thinking, had seen through his ego, had seen through the efforts required to do this race and chose to reward which of the three who passed the finish line who was wisest to reward. He left in a huff neither willing to admit defeat nor praise the victors and yet not at all wise enough to refute the argument. "Well said," Xavier said to Socrates, who once again nodded affirmatively with a smile. Bart was beaming, no one had ever put any real effort into him, and he realized at least partially that his struggles did not entail he must be the bad-boy he had always defaulted to. "Thanks very much Socrates!" Bart said. "I did nothing to deserve your thanks," Socrates said, "but I know what it's like to be thought of as bronze when gold is in reach." One of the onlookers of the race was absolutely confused. She didn't turn to see who was beside her when she asked them: "How in the hell did Agamemnon, Bart and Professor Xavier possibly come together for a race, let alone know each other well-enough to discuss each-other's respective situations so knowledgeably? None of this made any sense." The deep voiced man beside her was immediately recognizable and to her shock she realized she was standing next to Nick Fury specifically played by Samuel L. Jackson who replied "I gave them dossiers on each other before the date of the race, 'cause I start and finish all the fucking cool shit!"
Okay so it took me some time to sit down to reading it once I saw that it required more than a quick glance and I have to say that I experienced a lot when reading this. Firstly there was the waves (upon waves) of cognitive dissonances as these completely isolated compartments of imaginal existence in my brain collided in one story. Second there was my admiration for capturing the characters so well especially Agamemnon and Xavier. And thirdly and most importantly what you did with Bart has made me completely rethink him as a character and realise that I never really thought of him as a character in any depth. There's something in his persona that doesn't invite it or maybe it's that I haven't watched the Simpsons much since I was a kid or a teenager but wow this was a surprisingly emotional journey. It did actually awaken the whole tragedy of those who fall through the cracks for me. Fourthly that ending was a wonderful breaking of the drama! I gotta say I loved this. Not Plato exactly because it's such a different style but I have to say I quite adore it and could see it becoming a very successful and powerful style in its own right. Well worth the wait to getting around to reading it!
@@TheLivingPhilosophy I hope I get the chance to develop the style! And I really appreciate your review. I think with Bart, often the tension is between how bad the system is for him, but also, the bad boy attitude he so easily adopts. Some of the episodes make it squarely about Bart, others clearly about the influences in his life, especially his father's abuse. But he never really has a Socrates on his side, nor an Xavier. Maybe if he did he wouldn't be such a bad guy!
@@defenderofwisdom It's very true. Thinking about it more I thought about the contrast drawn between Bart and the likes of Nelson and the other bullies and how Bart is a sort of a false bad boy; he's still very much a good kid though a bit of a rapscallion so it's nice to see him falling under good wings in this story!
Want to support the channel? Now you can! 💸 Patreon: patreon.com/thelivingphilosophy ☕️ ko-fi.com/thelivingphilosophy ⌛ Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 1:25 The Backdrop 4:37 The Family of Plato 8:13 Socrates and the Travels of Plato 12:37 The Sicily Debacle 15:12 The Death of Plato
Many Respectful Thanks for your dedication & work! Very clear enunciation made this reading a great service to those who love Plato s Works and Memory!
I knew NONE of this! Great vid.Love your thesis of a person so real, so human, that the masses project all their wishes upon, seeing that this person speaks the secret of themselves. Never thought of it this way!!! Beautiful, right?
Thanks Fin! I'm not actually although I'm beginning to dabble in the podcast space so maybe I shall begin to make that happen because it would be nice to have this stuff out there on all channels. Gimme a couple of weeks and I'll start getting things up there
People ought to consider what any sudden onset of chaos does to what was so carefully crafted. Plato is very important to my work. What an interesting life!
Another great video! Do you have a source on where it is told that Plato would be the son of Apollo? I remember Nietzsche talking about how Socrates/Plato were the beginnings of the western world getting to deep into the 'Apollonian' (vs Dionysian)
Hi Lenie it is funny to think that this makes Plato the literal embodiment of Nietzsche's Apollonian ideal then eh! The source for that gem was Diogenes Laertius's life of Plato (though it may have been in others as well) here's a place you can read it online: penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diogenes_Laertius/Lives_of_the_Eminent_Philosophers/3/Plato*.html
I tell my self: What kind of person do I want to become? Then I must do what I have to do; I must build up my life action by action and be content if each action achieves its goal as far as possible- and nothing can stop this from happening, except death.
“Christianity is Platonism for the masses” Wow! Great video as always! I learned a ton in this one and will keep a lot of this in mind as I study Plato more
Haha that is the real question. Two come to mind Gorgias and Symposium (and actually the first video of yours I saw was on this hence why I loved your channel immediately)...but favourite favourite...god it's hard to choose imma say...Gorgias. How about you?
@@PhilosophyToons haha thought it might be tis a fine dialogue without a doubt it's got everything you want Socrates and other A-listers of antiquity talking bout love. And also Socrates's weird epileptic zone out at the start it's all just so juicy. You ever seen Richard Linklater's Before Sunrise trilogy btw? There's a great Symposium homage in the third movie that I loved
Your work has reignited my love of classical philosophy! I read ‘Classics’ at university and philosophy was my favourite module. Thank you! You explain everything so clearly
I think that another good reason for Plato passing over Aristotle to head the Academy is that there were too many serious points of disagreement between them and that there was a danger that Aristotle would take the school in a direction too far from Plato's vision. Wut say U?
I sayeth....great point. That's a much more charitable interpretation and I guess we don't know Aristotle's reaction to the news. But by the same token if their views were so incompatible then I would question why Aristotle chose to remain 20 years at the Academy and stayed until Plato's death rather than walking away soon to create his own school
@@TheLivingPhilosophyI think that's because he saw Plato's philosophy as an unpolished gem and wanted to know it's full features before starting to build upon, which he partially did
I enjoyed watching a very nice video and I have a lot to learn from it. I have learned a lot from this. I myself am a philosopher. I have learned a lot from this video from what I already know here
I don't think that the regime in his Republic was meant to be taken literally. I see it more as a thought experiment to bring it back down to the nature of man and how one should live their life
Great video…. Until the end If you read Aristotle’s Nichomachean ethics you’ll see that Aristotle denies Plato’s idea of the forms. The FORMS and everything that goes along with the forms like the good and objectivity in general is foundational to Plato’s philosophy. So, just relax a bit on your assumptions of succession
Please 100% be that guy. Getting the audio right makes me feel like a child driving a car so I'd really appreciate ongoing feedback about this since I just use a preset everytime to get the same sound (thinking that it was alright). Do you mean that the voice is too bass-y or do you mean some background noise or what? I genuinely appreciate any feedback on this
Hah, let me know if this lives up to Plato's style,
Agamemnon, Professor Xavier, and Bart Simpson met one day for a race. The award for the winner of the race was slated to be handed out by Socrates.
Agamemnon was beaming knowing within neither a cripple nor a distracted child with ADHD could possibly defeat him.
He first approached Bart and enthusiastically asked him "do you really think you can beat me in a race, little boy?"
Bart replied: "hell no."
"Hah, of course!" exclaimed Agamemnon. "If it weren't even just for the fact that you are a puny child racing against the warlord who sacked Troy you would lose, but besides that, your mind is insufficient. Even without the favor of the Zeus I would overcome you by sheer will-power."
Xavier rolled up in his wheel-chair. "You know, Agamemnon, you really shouldn't be picking on a child like that, even if you are a king of kings you're also a mere king of bullies."
Agamemnon laughed, "Yes, of course you would defend the boy, the man crippled in body and the boy crippled in mind. And I am aware of your super-powers, you could control my mind or levitate your body and possibly win this way. But I believe the rules do state you are not allowed to use your psychic powers to win..."
He looked over at Socrates sure the fellow Greek would have his back. The old man politely affirmed the truth with a nod and a smile. Xavier had to rely on his body to win, not his super-powers.
"Yes, I am correct as always -" Agamemnon continued, "you cannot use your power so my victory is a given. Prat all you want in the boy's defence, you both may as well just give up now."
Bart had a history of giving up, his father had even encouraged it as a child, but at that moment Xavier could sense the boy's thoughts with his telepathy and recognized how close Bart was to doing exactly what Agamemnon suggested. His spirit hurt from countless punishments so he had learned to always give up, play the bad-boy and play the fool.
The professor spoke silently through pure thought to the boy and said "Don't let his insults get to you. Don't give up before the race begins. It doesn't matter if we out-run him, if we let him extinguish our spirit that's when we truly lose."
Bart was puzzled by this encouragement and his mind was filled with contradictory memories of teachers and principals who only ever had a bad word to say about him.
"You're really not like the teachers back home, Prof!" Bart replied.
"Sadly so." Xavier thought back.
Socrates called everyone to the starting line. Agamemnon wasn't even bothering to stretch, so certain he was of victory. Bart was looking down at his blue shorts uncertainly, none-the-less he donned his lucky red cap with a glimmer of hope he could win. Xavier began to use his upper-body to climb down from his wheel-chair but Socrates graciously stepped to his side to help his academic peer get down on his belly with a smile. He was ready to race the only way he could - by hand instead of leg. Socrates returned to his position and announced "The rules are clear, the person most worthy of victory will cross the finish line through the best application of mind and body, but not by any powers whatsoever." After this he counted down, "three, two, one!" and they all began.
It took no time at all for Agamemnon to cross the finish line. He ran his fastest, hardly willing to try any less despite his certain knowledge he would claim first place. Bart ran a little but became frustrated as soon as Agamemnon passed the finish line. But even here Xavier's voice chimed into his thoughts like a cricket on the shoulder and said: "just cross the finish-line, don't let his finishing first stop you." Bart shrugged and decided to walk. Xavier meanwhile crawled, dragging himself foot-by-foot. It took Bart 12 minutes to cross the finish line. By the time he made it Xavier was three quarters of the way through, and in three more minutes he crossed the finish-line last.
Agamemnon was beaming. He had known he was going to win from the beginning. Still, crushing the two of them still felt good to him. Bart had sat down and was fiddling with a dandelion, a look of discouragement on his face. Socrates came up to the three behind the professor's wheel chair and just as graciously helped him back into it.
Socrates said "I have confirmed who has won first, second and third place."
He handed each an envelope. Agamemnon was not sure why the suspense but he greedily snatched up his envelope anyways. When he opened it to find he had received the third-place prize he grew desperate and frenzy, he was cheated! He cried out to the gods and began kicking down the various boundaries and structures that had been set-up for the race. Meanwhile, Bart went bug-eyed, exclaimed "Ay caramba!" and was emotionally stunned to see the first prize come out of the envelope and into his hand.
Xavier hadn't even bothered to open his envelope - he knew what Socrates was thinking the whole time, after all.
Agamemnon charged right up to Socrates and came face-to-face with the old man who did not flinch and in-fact was beaming. "How DARE you!?" he cried, "This victory was mine! I thought as a Greek you would have my back at the very least, but as a philosopher you would see the truth clearly in all things! How could you possibly give this runt of a boy first-place and this crippled professor second-place when I crossed the finish line third!?"
Socrates cleared his throat and innocently asked, "What did the rules state about who would win, oh king of kings?"
Agamemnon replied, "Why, he who first crossed the finish line by application of mind and body, Socrates. Which I did perfectly!"
Socrates responded thus: "indeed the rules said victory goes to they who will cross the finish line through the best application of mind and body. And indeed your body moved best, but your boastful mind is what drove your body there. Xavier struggled the most, dragging across the ground as a result of his injury and in this sense worked more nobly than you. His body could not help but function as it did, but his mind is that of a hero and so his will sustained him. Even here it could not be said he best crossed the finish line, for Bart began the race dismayed, hurt and ill within. His brain, you see, does not convert dopamine into norepinephrine well-enough so execution is extra difficult for him. So right from the beginnings of life he suffered a set-back in being able to summon his will and turn it into action in the first place. But beside this, over the years he suffered the stigma of difficulty motivating into action and so further had to fight back against a long history of having given in due to a lack of support. Finally, when he approached this race he was further bullied by you, oh king of kings! Under these limits and conditions, how could one even consider that he would start the race, let alone finish it? But with only the slightest protection of the professor here, he turned all that around and crossed the finish line, not to win, not for his ego, not for any reason at all but beside that he was able to take some encouragement and turn it into action. Under these conditions specifically I consider neither you nor Xavier to be the winners, but Bart, who best took the least abled mind and turned it into sufficient action despite having never have tasted the heroism which, of course, the three of us have."
Agamemnon was not the least bit pleased, but sunk into shame. He realized - as always - Socrates had discovered the flaws in his thinking, had seen through his ego, had seen through the efforts required to do this race and chose to reward which of the three who passed the finish line who was wisest to reward. He left in a huff neither willing to admit defeat nor praise the victors and yet not at all wise enough to refute the argument. "Well said," Xavier said to Socrates, who once again nodded affirmatively with a smile. Bart was beaming, no one had ever put any real effort into him, and he realized at least partially that his struggles did not entail he must be the bad-boy he had always defaulted to. "Thanks very much Socrates!" Bart said. "I did nothing to deserve your thanks," Socrates said, "but I know what it's like to be thought of as bronze when gold is in reach."
One of the onlookers of the race was absolutely confused. She didn't turn to see who was beside her when she asked them: "How in the hell did Agamemnon, Bart and Professor Xavier possibly come together for a race, let alone know each other well-enough to discuss each-other's respective situations so knowledgeably? None of this made any sense." The deep voiced man beside her was immediately recognizable and to her shock she realized she was standing next to Nick Fury specifically played by Samuel L. Jackson who replied "I gave them dossiers on each other before the date of the race, 'cause I start and finish all the fucking cool shit!"
Okay so it took me some time to sit down to reading it once I saw that it required more than a quick glance and I have to say that I experienced a lot when reading this. Firstly there was the waves (upon waves) of cognitive dissonances as these completely isolated compartments of imaginal existence in my brain collided in one story. Second there was my admiration for capturing the characters so well especially Agamemnon and Xavier. And thirdly and most importantly what you did with Bart has made me completely rethink him as a character and realise that I never really thought of him as a character in any depth. There's something in his persona that doesn't invite it or maybe it's that I haven't watched the Simpsons much since I was a kid or a teenager but wow this was a surprisingly emotional journey. It did actually awaken the whole tragedy of those who fall through the cracks for me. Fourthly that ending was a wonderful breaking of the drama!
I gotta say I loved this. Not Plato exactly because it's such a different style but I have to say I quite adore it and could see it becoming a very successful and powerful style in its own right. Well worth the wait to getting around to reading it!
@@TheLivingPhilosophy I hope I get the chance to develop the style! And I really appreciate your review. I think with Bart, often the tension is between how bad the system is for him, but also, the bad boy attitude he so easily adopts. Some of the episodes make it squarely about Bart, others clearly about the influences in his life, especially his father's abuse. But he never really has a Socrates on his side, nor an Xavier. Maybe if he did he wouldn't be such a bad guy!
@@defenderofwisdom It's very true. Thinking about it more I thought about the contrast drawn between Bart and the likes of Nelson and the other bullies and how Bart is a sort of a false bad boy; he's still very much a good kid though a bit of a rapscallion so it's nice to see him falling under good wings in this story!
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0:00 Introduction
1:25 The Backdrop
4:37 The Family of Plato
8:13 Socrates and the Travels of Plato
12:37 The Sicily Debacle
15:12 The Death of Plato
Yes
Many Respectful Thanks for your dedication & work! Very clear enunciation made this reading a great service to those who love Plato s Works and Memory!
Ah thank you very much Alex! I'm delighted you found such value in it!
I knew NONE of this! Great vid.Love your thesis of a person so real, so human, that the masses project all their wishes upon, seeing that this person speaks the secret of themselves. Never thought of it this way!!! Beautiful, right?
Very informative, great work
Thanks Tyler!
Great men make great things
Yup, Plato was the og mad lad but also extremely insightful on how the world works, giving him the right to be a little on the edge of life
Great Stuff! nicely produced and presented with enthusiasm, as a philosophy noob I find this reasonable easy to digest, and very interesting.
Delighted to hear it Nicholas! Thanks for watching
Fantastic summary! Are you on Spotify at all so I can listen to you on the go?
Thanks Fin! I'm not actually although I'm beginning to dabble in the podcast space so maybe I shall begin to make that happen because it would be nice to have this stuff out there on all channels. Gimme a couple of weeks and I'll start getting things up there
People ought to consider what any sudden onset of chaos does to what was so carefully crafted.
Plato is very important to my work. What an interesting life!
Another great video! Do you have a source on where it is told that Plato would be the son of Apollo? I remember Nietzsche talking about how Socrates/Plato were the beginnings of the western world getting to deep into the 'Apollonian' (vs Dionysian)
Hi Lenie it is funny to think that this makes Plato the literal embodiment of Nietzsche's Apollonian ideal then eh! The source for that gem was Diogenes Laertius's life of Plato (though it may have been in others as well) here's a place you can read it online:
penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diogenes_Laertius/Lives_of_the_Eminent_Philosophers/3/Plato*.html
Nice Video and very Informative.
Nice video. I found the comparison to the mythologisation of other figures (especially jesus) particularly interesting
Ah wonderful that was something that fascinated me as well so great to hear it landed just as well with someone else!!
True love is admiration
First! 👹 Excellent informative video. Thank you!
I tell my self:
What kind of person do I want to become?
Then I must do what I have to do;
I must build up my life action by action
and be content if each action achieves its goal as far as possible-
and nothing can stop this from happening,
except death.
“Christianity is Platonism for the masses” Wow! Great video as always!
I learned a ton in this one and will keep a lot of this in mind as I study Plato more
Happy to hear Zachary thanks for watching!
Great video for one of my favs. Real question is, whats your favorite dialogue?
Haha that is the real question. Two come to mind Gorgias and Symposium (and actually the first video of yours I saw was on this hence why I loved your channel immediately)...but favourite favourite...god it's hard to choose imma say...Gorgias. How about you?
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Probably Symposium unsurprisingly lol
@@PhilosophyToons haha thought it might be tis a fine dialogue without a doubt it's got everything you want Socrates and other A-listers of antiquity talking bout love. And also Socrates's weird epileptic zone out at the start it's all just so juicy. You ever seen Richard Linklater's Before Sunrise trilogy btw? There's a great Symposium homage in the third movie that I loved
Was that life ?
Well then!
Once more, my friend!
Your work has reignited my love of classical philosophy! I read ‘Classics’ at university and philosophy was my favourite module. Thank you! You explain everything so clearly
I think that another good reason for Plato passing over Aristotle to head the Academy is that there were too many serious points of disagreement between them and that there was a danger that Aristotle would take the school in a direction too far from Plato's vision. Wut say U?
Definitely. Most scholars made the mistake of going to Aristotle to learn about Plato too.
I sayeth....great point. That's a much more charitable interpretation and I guess we don't know Aristotle's reaction to the news. But by the same token if their views were so incompatible then I would question why Aristotle chose to remain 20 years at the Academy and stayed until Plato's death rather than walking away soon to create his own school
@@TheLivingPhilosophyI think that's because he saw Plato's philosophy as an unpolished gem and wanted to know it's full features before starting to build upon, which he partially did
I enjoyed watching a very nice video and I have a lot to learn from it. I have learned a lot from this. I myself am a philosopher. I have learned a lot from this video from what I already know here
Delighted to hear it! Thanks for watching and for the kind words!
Thanks!
Thank you (as ever) for the support doyle6000
veri good👏👏👏🌺👍👍👍👍
"Mythologizing process"
Noted.
I don't think that the regime in his Republic was meant to be taken literally. I see it more as a thought experiment to bring it back down to the nature of man and how one should live their life
Great video…. Until the end
If you read Aristotle’s Nichomachean ethics you’ll see that Aristotle denies Plato’s idea of the forms.
The FORMS and everything that goes along with the forms like the good and objectivity in general is foundational to Plato’s philosophy.
So, just relax a bit on your assumptions of succession
shit is good as fuck
Hahaha thanks jobbimaster
When is this going to appear in the American journal of poetry ?
don't want to be that guy but the lower frequencies in your audio is overwhelming
Please 100% be that guy. Getting the audio right makes me feel like a child driving a car so I'd really appreciate ongoing feedback about this since I just use a preset everytime to get the same sound (thinking that it was alright). Do you mean that the voice is too bass-y or do you mean some background noise or what? I genuinely appreciate any feedback on this
Das beste sound is no sound
Why is Socrates notorious?
He talks too much