Though the premiere Bumblebee mass market toy recently, the licensed VW Beetle one released with Transformers Earthrise, had the entire trunk and rear windscreen remove for transformation. So this is a marginal step up from that.
@@noodle9829it’s cool they finally got him to transform without parts forming, but it’s not exactly an apt comparison since 86 bee is based on his penny racer mode rather than the beetle
@@noodle9829he still has a backpack and he turns into the chibi penny racer rather than a licensed beetle so the proportions are a lil diff so its not exactly a one to one comparison (although it is indeed still impressive they finally got bee looking like himself)
To be really honest, comparing this to what many model kit companies claim to be a transformer (swap 25% of the kit out, or have a kit of just the robot form) I think Lego did a pretty good job here.
I think something to note is while Lego wants to pander to transformers fans, this is first and foremost a Lego set that is a transformer. While I’m much more into Transformers than Lego now, I can appreciate this more from the perspective of a Lego fan who is curious about Transformers.
I’m amazed that they designed the build process wherein you construct the car version first. Upon completion, you can then transform it into the robot version. Truly brilliant.
People are being pretty unfair to the designer I feel! If the transformation was simpler maybe it would have looked more like the source material, but given they were trying to make the transformation more involved to invoke the old toys, I think it looks pretty good in both forms, and its almost half the price of the optimus prime so this is a major win in my eyes.
I build LEGO Transformers for ages and I can understand why official LEGO TFs ended up being so. I think structural integrity in both modes are high priorities to them , so certain tradeoffs must be made in the engineering and also end result .
@@alanyuppie I noticed that too while trying to make my own. The more detail I put, the weaker the model was and some couldn’t even stand on their own. But scrapping that made a solid model with minimal detail.
you know... when i clicked on a video called "Why LEGO designers thought 10338 Bumblebee was impossible" i was hoping to find out why lego designers thought lego bumblebee was impossible :/
As a long time Lego builder, this impresses me to no end. I won't complain about the windshield, since I quite well know the limits the Lego elements posses in general. This is a superb accomplishment, and a great tribute to Lego and Gen 1 Transformer fans. Looking forward on more coming out soon (Soundwave with Laserbeak).
@@Dystopian-toast I think they would have to do it the way the original G1 toy did where instead of 6 full-size Transformers that combine into one massive one, it was 6 small-scale ones that combined into one more reasonably sized one. Imagine something similar to the Voltron set, essentially.
@@kryniuxofficial587 Honestly I'd love a mini-wave of him and two or three other Seekers as sets, since once they figure out one the others would be pretty similar.
@@SockManAnims No, I misinterpreted his comment about "non Lego Transformers" as a reference to mean the Kre-o, as in "not LEGO branded Brickbuilt Transformers."
I've noticed this in a lot of these desinger videos from the fan media days. The person with the clicking camera gets very annoying after awhile. Kind of ruins a lot of the videos people are taking
Man I'm happy that we got bumblebee!! Yes his scale to prime is off from what I hear but I give him credit he had to work with a small toy and plus it's Lego I think this set is really good the designer seemed nervous during the meeting or was it just me??
As a fan of both properties, I'm already dreading the endless whining the transformers community is going to be doing about the windshield, because a significant portion of them have tied their identities to a pointless, absurd hatred of parts-forming regardless of context.
For me, it depends on how well the partsforming is. I would say the biggest offender in recent memory is WFC Kingdom Arcee. Her entire car alt mode is just a shell you attach to her back as no part of her robot mode, except her backpack, is incorporated into the "transformation." But when it's just the windshield in this case, or the trunk of the car, like the recent G1 Bumblebee and Cliffjumper figures, I'm perfectly fine with the partsforming.
Impossible?! There are MOC makers out there build other transformers and Macross VF fighters. Myself working on a minifigure scale VF 25f, have a lot of work with but the transformation mechanics are work even if its unstable.
That's the thing: they're unstable. This model had to take into consideration stability, durability, ease of use and build, a specific part budget... All of Lego's product standards that MOCs don't have to deal with.
@@pengo2418 hachiroku24 has made 2 versions of G1 Bumblebee and they not only look better than this official set, one of them can transform and it's pretty stable
It’s not a bad transforming figure per se, but considering the original source material had a simpler transformation, looks like they made a “difficult” process harder than it needed to be. Sure, maybe it wasn’t possible to obtain the license, but there should have been an easy way to transform it without needing to partsform the windshield.
The original source material toy isn't a cartoon accurate representation of the character because the animators changed up Bee's design quite a bit, especially when it comes to proportions.
@@taqresu5865 I’d argue and say the Lego version is an even worse representation of the cartoon model. However, almost none of the toy designs for the original G1 transformers carried over into the animation, so Bumblebee isn’t exactly the exception here. Considering Prime was just an improved version of the G1 toy, it wouldn’t have been hard to do the same for Bee. Reworking the entire transformation made things more difficult than they should have been.
@@thekilljoy2919 Have you even looked at how the original Bumblebee toy transformed? First and foremost, after the feet flip up, the legs telescope out to their full length, that's impossible to pull off in LEGO without compromising the figure's ability to stand and carry it's own weight. The set would have been top heavy, too heavy to keep the telescope engineering. Second, if the set transformed exactly as the toy had, there would have been wheels on the shoulders and the hands, as well as big hollow spaces in the back of the torso, in fact there would be no car surface anywhere on the back of the robot mode. Bumblebee's head would also be on an unstable hinge, the same type of issue we see on WFC Seige Megatron.
Don’t know much about Transformers, so I wouldn’t know (or care) how accurate this is to the toys, cartoons, or comics. (I watched the first season of the US cartoon, and the original movie, and I don’t think I’ve seen anything other than trailers for the Bay movies, since.) But when I was a kid I tried desperately to make Transformers with my Lego-I think the parts just didn’t exist. (And when I started seeing people manage it in the ‘00s, it inevitably used parts that didn’t exist in the ‘80s.) so just the fact that we can not only build Transformers-like MOCs, but there are actual sets of them is really cool! That said, I don’t need this set, though I have a friend who might. But I want to see more about that “bowtie hinge”! That sounds really useful, and like something I’m gonna want a pile of.
I’ve seen some negative comments for this set, and as a fan for both Transformers and Lego, I think that they’re really stupid, like cut them some slack. They’re going for cartoon accuracy and the G1 toy does not help them at all. People saying that it looks hideous, Lego pieces are very limited based on the scale they’re going for, and for the car mode, it’s unlicensed so they’re trying to give off the feel of a VW Beetle, just like most transformers, the alt mode is unlicensed so they’re trying to give off the feel. People saying that the transformation is more complicated than it should’ve been, brother ALL transformations are complicated in some way, Official, Third Party, or Lego MOCs, they’re all complicated in some way. I saw a comment saying that making new parts is cheating, THEY MAKE NEW PARTS ALL THE TIME! Like here are some examples: The 1969 Camaro set, they had a new 1x5 piece, a 1x1 that’s two studs high, and a whole new rim piece that connected to the SNOT bricks; that new ratchet joint that’s used in some Lego Ninjago sets and used in the Optimus Prime set; those new arm/leg joints for those themed Star Wars or marvel mechs. Do you consider those cheating? If you don’t want to get the set, fine, then don’t get the set, but you don’t have to ridicule them for trying their best when it comes to Lego Transformers
I'm pretty sure he wasn't a Beetle in G1. At least his original toy wasn't. It was just a tiny, unlicensed yellow car with a slot in the back for a coin.
If universal studios decides continue the original Lego movie story here my imagine how the plot goes after rex defeated Syspocalypstar was in peace and harmony until was attack by a group of Villains from the Hasbroveres (Megatron, Queen Chrysalis, Cobra Commander, Miles Mayham and Cy Kill) lead by the brickster Emmett and the Syspocalypstar Citizens try their best to defend themselves but they were to powerful most of them are taken prisoners only Emmett, Lucy, Batman, Unikitty ,Benny,President Business,Queen Watevra Wa'Nabi,General Sweet Mayhem and MetalBeard manage escape until they were surrounded by Megatron and Queen Chrysalis all hope seems lost until a truck run over on Megatron and it was Revealed to be non other than Optimus Prime leader of the Autobots and he was not alone the Alicorn princess Twilight Sparkle, Duke The Gi joe Agent ,Matt Trakker leader of M.A.S.K. and Leader one leader of the guardians they told them come with them they promised gonna help them rescue the others
Idk about this one, chief. I mean, it's well done, but it doesn't look that great. The car form is weird, and the transformation is more difficult that it needed to be.
Does anyone care about Bumblebee? Been a 90s Transformer fan for a while and only really noticed Bumblebee in the Bay movies. I'm so disappointed this wasn't a Megatron. Even just any of the casette tape gang would be a fun extra, but not this. Doesn't really look too cool as a car. It just doesn't have the same prowess that Optimus has in either form
The probability Lego will make a Megatron set is really small, they don't make models based on military vehicles so no gun/tank mode. The only way to get around this is if they turn Megatron into a generic helicopter
The parts forming is just bad, they could’ve had the windshields fold in half and be connected to the waists of bee, and have them as like side skirts or they could’ve had it able to unfold and wrap around to become a back skirt thing
They certainly could have worked it in better, but I don’t really blame them for taking that route as this is a daunting task for a designer, especially one that’s not entirely familiar with Transformers engineering. Judging by the connection point, I think you may be able to leave it attached, but it would make the chest lean back on the hinge in order for that to work. Still, would have been nice for the windshield to be always attached intentionally. Plus, it’s Lego so you could mod it however you want, I know that’s cliche but it is true none the less.
I wont say the partsforming is bad coz its just one piece to be detached and reattached somewhere. But I agree that they can be handled better. I applied similar technique in my LEGO TF Crosshairs where I split his belly to be folded to the back of the bot mode.
As disappointed as I am of Lego I believe Lego knows what to do to give us what we want, but Lego is to lazy to do what we want Lego does what Lego wants which is very little at time when it is most needed! Lego could start by not being so this skined about being wrong which their do all the time! I still enjoy your video a thumb up was given! Thanks paece!
Shame about the windscreen but you’ve got to appreciate they managed to do this even so
Though the premiere Bumblebee mass market toy recently, the licensed VW Beetle one released with Transformers Earthrise, had the entire trunk and rear windscreen remove for transformation. So this is a marginal step up from that.
@@cdigamesand yet the new studio series 86 deluxe Bumblebee can accomplish transformation without removing any parts…
@@noodle9829it’s cool they finally got him to transform without parts forming, but it’s not exactly an apt comparison since 86 bee is based on his penny racer mode rather than the beetle
@@noodle9829he still has a backpack and he turns into the chibi penny racer rather than a licensed beetle so the proportions are a lil diff so its not exactly a one to one comparison (although it is indeed still impressive they finally got bee looking like himself)
To be really honest, comparing this to what many model kit companies claim to be a transformer (swap 25% of the kit out, or have a kit of just the robot form) I think Lego did a pretty good job here.
I think something to note is while Lego wants to pander to transformers fans, this is first and foremost a Lego set that is a transformer. While I’m much more into Transformers than Lego now, I can appreciate this more from the perspective of a Lego fan who is curious about Transformers.
I’m amazed that they designed the build process wherein you construct the car version first. Upon completion, you can then transform it into the robot version. Truly brilliant.
People are being pretty unfair to the designer I feel! If the transformation was simpler maybe it would have looked more like the source material, but given they were trying to make the transformation more involved to invoke the old toys, I think it looks pretty good in both forms, and its almost half the price of the optimus prime so this is a major win in my eyes.
I build LEGO Transformers for ages and I can understand why official LEGO TFs ended up being so.
I think structural integrity in both modes are high priorities to them , so certain tradeoffs must be made in the engineering and also end result .
@@alanyuppie I noticed that too while trying to make my own. The more detail I put, the weaker the model was and some couldn’t even stand on their own. But scrapping that made a solid model with minimal detail.
you know... when i clicked on a video called "Why LEGO designers thought 10338 Bumblebee was impossible" i was hoping to find out why lego designers thought lego bumblebee was impossible :/
Yeahhh that's the entire reason I clicked.
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You’re all so slow then it’s within the first minute that he says it.
@@dylonmason7528thank you for listening
@@Andyg760 the video is titled after it. I wanted more detail.
I’m wondering how long it will take Mocists to fix the parts forming part…
Given the challenge of actually making this, they've done great.
As a long time Lego builder, this impresses me to no end. I won't complain about the windshield, since I quite well know the limits the Lego elements posses in general. This is a superb accomplishment, and a great tribute to Lego and Gen 1 Transformer fans. Looking forward on more coming out soon (Soundwave with Laserbeak).
Soundwave and (if possible) Devastator are my two top wants from further sets, personally.
@@captaincomic8678 is it eve possible to make a devastator set?
I need LEGO g1 Starscream so bad
@@Dystopian-toast I think they would have to do it the way the original G1 toy did where instead of 6 full-size Transformers that combine into one massive one, it was 6 small-scale ones that combined into one more reasonably sized one. Imagine something similar to the Voltron set, essentially.
@@kryniuxofficial587 Honestly I'd love a mini-wave of him and two or three other Seekers as sets, since once they figure out one the others would be pretty similar.
If this looked better I would have got both this and optimus.
I already have a non lego transformers collection so easy skip but glad it exists!
The Kre-o Transformers?
@@taqresu5865 i have one of those but I meant the hasbro figures!
@@taqresu5865 Not everything is brick built. There's normal transformers figures
@@SockManAnims No, I misinterpreted his comment about "non Lego Transformers" as a reference to mean the Kre-o, as in "not LEGO branded Brickbuilt Transformers."
I've noticed this in a lot of these desinger videos from the fan media days. The person with the clicking camera gets very annoying after awhile. Kind of ruins a lot of the videos people are taking
Its not a true transformation without dispersion relation playing in the background
Man I'm happy that we got bumblebee!! Yes his scale to prime is off from what I hear but I give him credit he had to work with a small toy and plus it's Lego I think this set is really good the designer seemed nervous during the meeting or was it just me??
Thanks for another designer presentation, I really enjoy this sort of content.
It's great achievement and cartoonish style feeting the spirit of the original series, in scale, it's perfect !
I feel like they’re gonna make cliff jumper but as a red repaint (or re build).
Megatron next, then Starscream ;)
As a fan of both properties, I'm already dreading the endless whining the transformers community is going to be doing about the windshield, because a significant portion of them have tied their identities to a pointless, absurd hatred of parts-forming regardless of context.
For me, it depends on how well the partsforming is. I would say the biggest offender in recent memory is WFC Kingdom Arcee. Her entire car alt mode is just a shell you attach to her back as no part of her robot mode, except her backpack, is incorporated into the "transformation."
But when it's just the windshield in this case, or the trunk of the car, like the recent G1 Bumblebee and Cliffjumper figures, I'm perfectly fine with the partsforming.
@@taqresu5865 yeah, I think that’s a perfectly rational stance.
Amazing engineering. I wish the car looked better than it does.
That’s what it’s supposed to look like..
And besides it’s made out of lego. Making a regular car is already difficult as it is
yeah I really liked how the early prototype version of it looked. The legs also leave a lot to be desired.
Build it then that way.
I would sell my left leg for this set and an Optimus prime trailer moc
Honestly, it looks better in the footage than the official pictures
I wouldnt say its impossible, people have done it before although less stable
Impossible?! There are MOC makers out there build other transformers and Macross VF fighters. Myself working on a minifigure scale VF 25f, have a lot of work with but the transformation mechanics are work even if its unstable.
That's the thing: they're unstable. This model had to take into consideration stability, durability, ease of use and build, a specific part budget... All of Lego's product standards that MOCs don't have to deal with.
@@pengo2418 hachiroku24 has made 2 versions of G1 Bumblebee and they not only look better than this official set, one of them can transform and it's pretty stable
Nice work
It’s not a bad transforming figure per se, but considering the original source material had a simpler transformation, looks like they made a “difficult” process harder than it needed to be.
Sure, maybe it wasn’t possible to obtain the license, but there should have been an easy way to transform it without needing to partsform the windshield.
The original source material toy isn't a cartoon accurate representation of the character because the animators changed up Bee's design quite a bit, especially when it comes to proportions.
@@taqresu5865 I’d argue and say the Lego version is an even worse representation of the cartoon model. However, almost none of the toy designs for the original G1 transformers carried over into the animation, so Bumblebee isn’t exactly the exception here.
Considering Prime was just an improved version of the G1 toy, it wouldn’t have been hard to do the same for Bee. Reworking the entire transformation made things more difficult than they should have been.
@@thekilljoy2919 Have you even looked at how the original Bumblebee toy transformed? First and foremost, after the feet flip up, the legs telescope out to their full length, that's impossible to pull off in LEGO without compromising the figure's ability to stand and carry it's own weight. The set would have been top heavy, too heavy to keep the telescope engineering.
Second, if the set transformed exactly as the toy had, there would have been wheels on the shoulders and the hands, as well as big hollow spaces in the back of the torso, in fact there would be no car surface anywhere on the back of the robot mode.
Bumblebee's head would also be on an unstable hinge, the same type of issue we see on WFC Seige Megatron.
Come on now, like you are just gonna ignore Earthrise Bumblebee's massive partforming mess?
The original bumblebee was a two step dollar tree toy that looked nothing like the bumblebee in the show. What on earth are you talking about?
Don’t know much about Transformers, so I wouldn’t know (or care) how accurate this is to the toys, cartoons, or comics. (I watched the first season of the US cartoon, and the original movie, and I don’t think I’ve seen anything other than trailers for the Bay movies, since.)
But when I was a kid I tried desperately to make Transformers with my Lego-I think the parts just didn’t exist. (And when I started seeing people manage it in the ‘00s, it inevitably used parts that didn’t exist in the ‘80s.) so just the fact that we can not only build Transformers-like MOCs, but there are actual sets of them is really cool!
That said, I don’t need this set, though I have a friend who might. But I want to see more about that “bowtie hinge”! That sounds really useful, and like something I’m gonna want a pile of.
We had plenty of parts to make Transformers back then, but not at this scale.
Get ready for a red version of this for cliffjumper lol
now we need megatron
Amazing build - but it does feel like the designers are cheating when solving problems with new pieces. 😂
Sad about the partsforming but this is still really great
Im hoping they do Megatron or Soundwave next
I got one of those small bees from party city in the 2010s
the back thing looks wierd but other than that it is good
One major problem is that the weapon can't be hidden in the car, like optimus.
I’ve seen some negative comments for this set, and as a fan for both Transformers and Lego, I think that they’re really stupid, like cut them some slack. They’re going for cartoon accuracy and the G1 toy does not help them at all. People saying that it looks hideous, Lego pieces are very limited based on the scale they’re going for, and for the car mode, it’s unlicensed so they’re trying to give off the feel of a VW Beetle, just like most transformers, the alt mode is unlicensed so they’re trying to give off the feel. People saying that the transformation is more complicated than it should’ve been, brother ALL transformations are complicated in some way, Official, Third Party, or Lego MOCs, they’re all complicated in some way. I saw a comment saying that making new parts is cheating, THEY MAKE NEW PARTS ALL THE TIME! Like here are some examples: The 1969 Camaro set, they had a new 1x5 piece, a 1x1 that’s two studs high, and a whole new rim piece that connected to the SNOT bricks; that new ratchet joint that’s used in some Lego Ninjago sets and used in the Optimus Prime set; those new arm/leg joints for those themed Star Wars or marvel mechs. Do you consider those cheating? If you don’t want to get the set, fine, then don’t get the set, but you don’t have to ridicule them for trying their best when it comes to Lego Transformers
This set is kinda growing on me lol
Still, not a licensed Volkswagen Beetle that Transformers Fans are not impressed about.
It didn't need to be a licensed Volkswagen Beetle. It just needed to more like one in car mode
Looks like a taxi. Even without good size source material everyone knows what a Beetle should look like
They should've gone bigger. It's already not to scale with Optimus so why not make it the same size and then they could've the car looking better
I'm pretty sure he wasn't a Beetle in G1. At least his original toy wasn't. It was just a tiny, unlicensed yellow car with a slot in the back for a coin.
They don't have the license to make a VW beetle
@@SockManAnims The original Bumblebee toy was never meant to be a VW beetle either, it was just a generic car with a gimmick play feature.
@@taqresu5865 The original toy *IS* a VW Beetle, the proportions are just squished
LEGO (10252) Volkswagen Beetle was allready made just needed a robot mode gun and color change
That one would not be in scale with Optimus
@@marcch72 make a bigger more detailed Optimus Prime
@@Kimvanloocke go ahead and show me if you made one
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If universal studios decides continue the original Lego movie story
here my imagine how the plot goes
after rex defeated Syspocalypstar was in peace and harmony until was attack by a group of Villains from the Hasbroveres (Megatron, Queen Chrysalis, Cobra Commander, Miles Mayham and Cy Kill) lead by the brickster Emmett and the Syspocalypstar Citizens try their best to defend themselves but they were to powerful most of them are taken prisoners only Emmett, Lucy, Batman, Unikitty ,Benny,President Business,Queen Watevra Wa'Nabi,General Sweet Mayhem and MetalBeard manage escape until they were surrounded by Megatron and Queen Chrysalis all hope seems lost until a truck run over on Megatron and it was Revealed to be non other than Optimus Prime leader of the Autobots and he was not alone the Alicorn princess Twilight Sparkle, Duke The Gi joe Agent ,Matt Trakker leader of M.A.S.K. and Leader one leader of the guardians they told them come with them they promised gonna help them rescue the others
Idk about this one, chief. I mean, it's well done, but it doesn't look that great. The car form is weird, and the transformation is more difficult that it needed to be.
Wow!
Does anyone care about Bumblebee? Been a 90s Transformer fan for a while and only really noticed Bumblebee in the Bay movies. I'm so disappointed this wasn't a Megatron. Even just any of the casette tape gang would be a fun extra, but not this. Doesn't really look too cool as a car. It just doesn't have the same prowess that Optimus has in either form
People do. Don't worry. I am sure Megatron will be up next6 together with Starscream. I think they're doing it in duo's.
The probability Lego will make a Megatron set is really small, they don't make models based on military vehicles so no gun/tank mode. The only way to get around this is if they turn Megatron into a generic helicopter
Title is complete clickbait.
I've seen this set get a lot of flak from people who like to piss vinegar. I think it's seriously impressive for its scale. Probably day one purchase.
The parts forming is just bad, they could’ve had the windshields fold in half and be connected to the waists of bee, and have them as like side skirts or they could’ve had it able to unfold and wrap around to become a back skirt thing
They certainly could have worked it in better, but I don’t really blame them for taking that route as this is a daunting task for a designer, especially one that’s not entirely familiar with Transformers engineering. Judging by the connection point, I think you may be able to leave it attached, but it would make the chest lean back on the hinge in order for that to work. Still, would have been nice for the windshield to be always attached intentionally. Plus, it’s Lego so you could mod it however you want, I know that’s cliche but it is true none the less.
I wont say the partsforming is bad coz its just one piece to be detached and reattached somewhere. But I agree that they can be handled better.
I applied similar technique in my LEGO TF Crosshairs where I split his belly to be folded to the back of the bot mode.
@@alanyuppie Your input is much more reliable than mine as you are way better with designing Lego Transformers lol, but I agree fully.
As disappointed as I am of Lego I believe Lego knows what to do to give us what we want, but Lego is to lazy to do what we want Lego does what Lego wants which is very little at time when it is most needed! Lego could start by not being so this skined about being wrong which their do all the time! I still enjoy your video a thumb up was given! Thanks paece!
This one is not for me, i find it hideous to be honest.
Go up to any of the transformers and tell them they are hideous. Think about how that it’s gonna go down.
In terms for a transforming bumblebee made by a non transformers fan, he’s pretty impressive
almost impossible!?!? bro i could design bumblebee in a week!!! but better!!!
I'll hold you to that
Get to it!! I want it
Alright we'll be back here in a week to see your MOC
Then do it
Okay, do it
Lego transformers 👌👎👎👎👎👎👎