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Why Tesla Model Y Range Doesn't Matter on Road Trips
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2023
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This is my annual road trip across the country in my Tesla Model Y.
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I just took my 2023 Model 3 RWD on an over 10,000 mile road trip over 6 weeks.... LA to Branson to Chicago to Branson to Ft Lauderdale to NY to LA... NO ISSUES at all. And @gjeebs is so right.. you meet the same people at superchargers city after city and get to know the cities!
Just rented a Model Y from Hertz for the weekend and went up to the Grand Canyon. ZERO anxiety about charging. Tesla's are SOOO smooth. I'll be getting one SOON!
Buddy, you seriously crack me up. Love the riffing through this. Also, your premise is spot on, I’m telling people all the time that on my first road trip I lost all range anxiety.
What I got from this video: Supercharging is easy and not to stress out about range. Just plan out your blow outs 😂
Agreed. Range does not matter on road trips. Your taking the trip to enjoy the drive, not get there as fast as possible. If that was the case you'd buy a plane ticket. Again, its a road trip and your doing thus for a fun memory or experience...enjoy the drive and relax. Autopilot or fsd and its a who new driving experience. Sit back and enjoy.
The plane ticket is the ultimate answer haha
Plane ticket is not all it’s cracked up to be.. this week it took 30 hours to fly into Chicago from Tampa after 7 delays and a cancelled flight on United
Returning it took 9 hours after 2 delays ….and I thought I was saving time by flying instead of taking my Tesla on a road trip😳
I completely agree with you. Explain that to Kyle sometime.
I think range is important (for me) for make a plan where to charge,so I can manage the time.
@@bridge1872 and United breaks guitars. Having said that, most if not all the domestic airlines in the US seem to have their detractors. I would always favor flying SWA, and never United or AA. Others would not consider SWA. Pretty much, it boils down to our personal experiences and those of our friends and families. Regardless, I'm not going to worry about air fare again, I hope, as I hope to do all my travel in the future in my model Y.
The RV park charging was really interesting. Never thought about that.
Agree. Switching to EV needs a planned commitment. Make the road trip and the stops part of the fun of the road trip. Thank you.
2:37 - Done. NM to FL on I-40, a week on the gulf coast beach. Then I-10 back to NM. Did a bunch of fun things along the way. Never considered doing a trip like that with our old jalopy of an ICEr. Tesla made it fun.
So you stayed near the Interstate because….??
I just ordered a Model Y Performance and found your channel. I love the information you are providing and comedic delivery. I had no idea this was your full time gig too. Such a brave thing to do and I hope you keep on gaining subs!
Thank you!
Watch his previous road trips. You'll never fear driving long distance in a tesla again
Hi just sitting in my Y Rwd here in Ireland watching and the speakers are getting a workout 😂
Thank of all the info and yes I watch my wife's makeup and frugal/minimalist
We have solar on our roof generated 6 MW last year 😅 driving for free😅
I let you do the test and learn for me, so thanks so much for that. I let my new Model Y get down to 3% on my first road trip and juiced up at a 250k. Couldn’t even finish my taco before she was ready to go again.
That's what I always tell people - I never finish my meal or snack before it's done charging. I honestly think the oil companies pay people to troll every article or video on EVs, which is why so many people are scared to get an EV.
I love how you were talking about just doing what you really are passionate about. Life is too short to be doing something you hate doing!
Just watched one of your videos for the first time, and I think I’m hooked! I really appreciate the narratives and I love your sense of humor. Good for you👍
I owned a 2019 3 SR+ for 4.5 years and going from that to the Model Y LR AWD, on ~370 mile road trips the Y makes the trips 1-2 hours shorter than it was in the SR+. Did it in 7 hours with normal stops for food and bathroom breaks including charging which is very close to what it was in the gas car.
Love those Ford people hahaha they try so hard
I think the Y LR has more range. I just did a road trip in a model 3 but the range seemed terrible.
@@GenieFarms I think the LR 3 has longer range, they changed the test in January this year though so the rated range is less, but the old test would have been longer. Did you properly charge at
Totally agree.... 500,300,200... I find 2-3 hours of driving is the magic number regardless of "range" ... also, the smallest bladder in the car determines the range needed.
Exactly
In my 20's I drove 24hrs straight from FL to MO. Chomping No-Doz like tictacs. It was HELL, never again.
Thanks for bringing the truth about EVs and breaking the oil owned media FUD.👍 --'21 M3P owner.
I love your videos and this drive brings back a lot of memories. I lived in Phoenix for 20 years and have made that I40 drive many times on my way to Chicago. I have had my model y long range for about 6 weeks now and have over 3500 miles. It’s a great road trip car! They just need to work on some of the details like ride quality, auto wipers, auto high beams, cameras that don’t say they are blocked because it’s dark outside, but between the price, the performance, the range, the tax credit and the supercharger network it’s the most logical choice for an electric car… at least in my opinion 😊
I noticed the Autopilot got significantly better on a road trip to OKC this week. Normally on that stretch I have to intervene 2-3 times based on how hilly it is going north, but there and back I had zero disengages. Worked like a dream in both sunny conditions and at night. It had to have been in a recent update that it was adjusted.
Also, nice Speedy Pro. Great watch.
Great video. I love seeing your road trips. I am doing my first road trip in aug in my MY LR, Going from new brunswick canada to orlando fl. 2750 klm or 1700 miles. Very excited for the trip.
How did it go?
Your videos are fun. I like how you ramble on and dont have these prepared texts. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone use the term blowing it out after dropping a deuce. Thanks!
"All of those people out there who criticize you for doing something are sitting there doing nothing."
Great quote.
Looking back at this video and listening to your story about how you started this channel, I just wanted to say congratulations on the 200k subscribers. 🎉
You've quickly become one of my favorite channels to follow for everything EV-related, especially Tesla-related stuff, as I just ordered a Model 3 in Quicksilver. 🤩
Thank you! and congrats on the Model 3! That's such a good color
"i love to feel the humidity" said no one ever lol. but i guess if youre living in the west, its nice to experience it once in a while.
Autopilot has gotten so much better since I got my car in December 2021.
Mine as well. Bought in 12.14.21. MYP
We’re Snowbirds from the Philly area and drive to Venice Beach Florida for the winter, approximately 1,600 miles. This is our first long distance drive in our Tesla M3LR and we really enjoyed it. We can no longer do it in 2 days like before, but understanding that in advance we made reservations at three hotels on the way down and an additional hotel (Savannah Ga) for a beautiful visit. The upside, all that you mentioned, including the FSD Supervised. On highways it was incredibly, on city streets great, but not perfect.
The extra hotels added costs and time to get to both locations, but it’s well worth it, especially when you understand EV Reality. Love my Tesla, I’m an early adopter, love new technology and have done enough research to truly understand that “forced” EV adaptation is STUPID, and counterproductive.
I’m a new Subscriber, looking forward to your videos. Thanks so
Hey man I just wanted to say I just found your channel and you are refreshingly positive and hilarious. Your speech about "going for it" was very well stated. Thank you sir!
Fluffy wasn’t fired from his “day job”. He clearly said he quit. That said, I do like your videos! You are funny. I like how autopilot called you out (@12:33) when you were getting to aggressive singing. 😂
This vid convinced me I needed to subscribe to the channel. Thoughtful/practical/useful. Well done Gjeebs! Keep creating great content.
Haha Cline’s Corners! I camped there & charged my MYLR last fall! The hotel I was going to stay at in Amarillo was full and Cline’s was as far as I could go without passing out!
The model 3 yellow looks amazing!
Thanks for all this information on your road trip and alternate places to connect to and charge the Tesla. Nice to know there are other plugs we can purchase besides the Tesla mobile package they sell when we buy the vehicle. Take care.
Never sell your Tesla, I'm very curious what will happen to it after 5-8 years :) Such a long-distance test is the best! Good luck and greetings from Poland!
I listened to the Lerner & Rowe self-made jingle no less than 25 times. Don't change a thing!
I took a trip from Leesburg VA to Sea Island, GA in my Model X LR. The planning is easy and the stops necessary. Made it easy. The car planned the stops.
Fun having you travel through my state. Oklahoma! I’m in Edmond. Got my 2023 Model 3 LR two weeks ago!! Thx for the videos!
Made the trip from Mesa to Missouri last month in my Model 3LR. You got the bathroom at Burger King at Holbrook right on! The limitations of where you can charge are a negative though. Holbrook is a perfect example. I would have preferred to take a southern route through NM (Las Cruces, Rowell, Clovis) to avoid I-40. You can't do it. There are no superchargers. Love your humor though, the semi-functional lock on the stall was right on!
Last September, I drove my Model Y from Oklahoma to Montana and back over four days. The vehicle ran great, and cost me approximately $360 in supercharging. Negatives, however, were the lack of supercharging stations in the northwest, and the poor location of some stations, especially when arriving late at night.
Range Anxiety is for the ignorant.
I have a friend who drives a Bolt from Portland, Oregon to L.A. about every 6-weeks with no issues. Most people don't travel very far from home...they fly and rent. Even so ...distance traveling in an EV is pretty easy and getting easier by the day. Another thing is... Why pay for expensive range when most will never really use it. And range will get better and cheaper cuz we are just at the beginning of this new transportation regime.
But... I'm someone who can drive for very long distances. My last big trip was from Portland, Oregon to Atlanta, Texas with a 4-hour stop near Green River, Utah. I once drove from Ensenada to Lund, BC, Canada with a stop in Portland to shower and do some laundry.
Tube videos like this will hasten EV adoption...Thanks!
We were just in Amarillo, that supercharger was great and at a convenient location. Great video!
Years ago, I did a long road trip to Mammoth Lakes with the model 3 cruise control set at 90 mph and range did matter since energy consumed goes as speed to the third power.
Actually, second power!
@@mikeoberg1 If I want to double the highway speed from 50 to 100, it requires 8 times the energy, because of volume displacement of air. It is not second power.
Good mindset and humor. ❤❤
Thanks Gjeebs. I am only a couple of days away from picking up my Model Y and was not sure what might happen if I needed to make a long road trip. Your video makes me WANT to take a road trip.
Yes do it for sure. Very fun and easy
Thank you Gjeebs, I myself am in a similar situation, afraid to give up my nursing license to do work in IT. Already working in IT right now, which is so fulfilling and exactly what I wanted, but scared to give up my license.
and i busted my ass to get to this IT position because I believed in myself, something i haven't done ever before.
I've used an rv plug. But I would say it's much easier using the tesla mobile connector with the 14-50 tesla adapter. I bought the 6 different connector adapters from tesla I think it was 200$ and I can use any plug style.
RUclips speech was spot on! 🤘🏾
I would prefer to have more range so when I travel for a round trip about 320 miles that I don’t have to stop for a quick charge specially here in CANADA
Tesla rated 310 miles that you cannot ever get it close to it even trying 19” wheels
Dude I love your "bathroom blowing" jokes!!!
Your videos are the best. Entertaining and informative! I pick up my first Tesla tomorrow. MY RWD. The real world information you share has really eased my anxiety about making the transition. Now. My Wrangler Rubicon 392 isn’t going anywhere but gonna give it a break now. Haha. Anyway. Keep the great content coming. Especially these where you take some of the roads off the beaten path and share how doable it is with this car. Just great! Thanks so much.
thanks for the support and congrats on the model Y!
You should do a video about living in a Model Y, should anyone get kicked out of their house, evicted etc.. it would be a do-able situation, staying at campgrounds, parking lots etc.
THANKS ,GJEEBS,FOR HELPING EDUCATE US 🧐😎, and the practical tips 🤗😎💚💚💚
Doing my first road trip, a short trip from Seattle to Idaho in 2weeks.
TLDR: Tesla GPS will plan out your route for you along with when and where to charge, therefore you don't have to worry about the range of your car.
Though for argument's sake, if your car has a smaller battery, you will be stopping by more chargers than if you have a bigger battery, hence it would take longer to go places as it takes time to go in and out of charging stations. Range absolutely matters and having a 320 mile battery will yield a better experience for road trips than the 240 mile batteries. About 12 charges vs 19 charges, and 28hr vs 31hr between long range and standard range for a 1800 mile road trip.
For road tripping in a Tesla, there are still several places in the country that need better infrastructure still. I drove my Tesla Model Y LR from Alabama to Colorado but opted to take I-40 across since there was a blizzard in Kansas. I didn't do much research ahead of time because I've never had a problem before. I found it strange that the Tesla navigation really wanted me to go up to Tulsa then to OKC. The issue was there was a 195 mile stretch of I-40 (between Ft Smith and OKC) without any chargers. I've made that gap before, but the additional issue was a 30-40 mph head wind - which severely impacted my range. Well, I made it to OKC by driving 15mph under the speed limit for most of the trip - with only 2% to spare. Honestly the only time I was truly nervous about making it to the next charger. Tesla is adding a charger at the mid-point - which will make I-40 a viable route soon. I think this will be mostly worked out in the next few years. I've taken the same trip via I-20 and I-70 respectively without any problems - so I was surprised to see such a gap still on the Interstate system. I've also noticed charging is a bit sparse in the northern Plains.
Shock flow EV or Tesla Mobile connector, which is better?
13:43 bruuh you killed me 😂😂 Just found this channel today, and I've been binged watching the videos. Great content.
haha I'm glad you are here
Hello from Australia, just came across your channel. Dude you are hilarious. Love your videos keep it up
Thank you I appreciate it
New subscriber and wading through all past tubes. Loving the humour and everything Tesla. Halfway through this video and smiling. I think it’s time you jump on a plane, hop the pond and visit your friends here in the UK chap! Rent a Tesla and have a marathon road trip from Cornwall, through London, Nottingham, Liverpool and on to Scotland. The Welsh roads in Wales are unbelievable on the west coast! Just a serving suggestion 😊 Have fun, from your friends in Blighty old boy 😊
I appreciate the support! I'll be over eventually
Love your videos, a lot of humor. I’ve had a Tesla Model Y LR for about a year now. I’ve never taken a roadtrip, but I do 100 mi roundtrips fairly frequently. I think back on many of my previous roadtrips, and I wonder how I would feel about being off the beaten path. Places like Death Valley, feeling like I could go way off the Interstate, without worrying about overnight charging somewhere in the middle of nowhere…
27:20 - I bet windmill blades are easier to deal with than nuclear waste. I find it odd that people make such a stink about wind turbine blades and nobody seems to care about mountains of garbage in every town because we can’t figure out what to do with our regular trash: Dig a big hole and throw it all in there and then covered up dirt. 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Ah missed you in Amarillo again! One of these days I will run into at the supercharger.
7 percent charge , im freaking out when mine gets to 20 percent lol
Ev hater like "OH but I like to drive my gas car for 5 hours straight at a time and never stretch with my blatter on fire"
Just picked up my MY (upgraded from a 3SR+) last week and your channel has helped me so much get over range anxiety! Also used to get plenty of accessories! Looking forward to taking a road trip in it! Great video per usual! Keep it up!
Nobody would ever start a business if they listened to the naysayers. Most people will focus on the potential negatives, because the box represents security to them. Kudos for sticking to your vision, sir.
I recently took a road trip with an RV through Arizona from Rio Rancho, NM where I live. All the KOA campgrounds we stopped at said, "No EV charging". The closest supercharger is 10.8 miles from my house. The nearest gas station is on my way to work and is 1.29 miles from my house. There are 12 gas stations within 5 miles of my house This is typical. I wonder why EV drivers don't count the extra time and distance they drive out of their way to get to their chargers? Cherry picking a particular charger location to show how convenient it is doesn't get it for me. There is also wasted time coming to a full stop, then getting back up to highway speeds. I can see getting a used EV for local trips around town and home charging, but my hybrid and the RV has over 600 miles of range for a reason. If the infrastructure improves for EV's and the price of supercharging improves, EV's will be more practical for road trips. Until then, stopping where I choose seems like a better way to road trip. I don't think EV's are ever going to catch on with the general population if the government doesn't start using the money they have already collected from tax payers to improve the infrastructure.
Your routine with an ev isn't the same as your routine with an ice vehicle. How far a supercharger is from your home is only a concern if you can't charge from your home, which isn't exactly a situation for a majority of ev owners. Majority charge from home so they don't care about where the the supercharger location is unless they're going on road trips.
Maybe the supercharging situation doesn't look great in the areas you've driven through, but they're more than fine along the east and west coast states. Also Tesla partnered with companies like buc-ees, sheetz, and Wawa to add superchargers to their lots. I completely agree with you about the government needing to step up more to assist in building out this infrastructure though.
I live in New Mexico. I've never seen a Buc-eez, Sheez, or Wawa. An electric vehicle would be very convenient for most local trips, but less convenient to the point I would be constantly worried about where I could get a charge on a rural trip through New Mexico at this point in time. Hopefully the infrastructure will improve here.
You're my favorite small fish. Git er done!
Gjeebs, regarding your comment on Energy and Wind, here is a quick rundown from the US EIA database. "Combined wind and solar share of total generation increased from 12% in 2021 to 14% in 2022. Hydropower generation remained unchanged, at 6%. Nuclear is 19%. Texas accounted for 26% of total U.S. wind generation last year.
When my Xmas flight was cancelled and I drove overnight in single digit temps with snow tires from Colorado to Tennessee, the range was enough. Sure when weather and other factors are great 330 is more than enough. However, with less than ideal 400 is needed or maybe a more true 330 would be good.
Is your model Y hood carbon fiber?
I don't even live in the US but I'm still enjoying the bathroom review!
hahaha good!
Range figures are only best scenario estimates for EVs. Real world operation, with any variation in roadway incline or any variation in cross wind, Head wind etc. are going to vastly reduce assumed range. I’m not surprised to see a Tesla Y achieve a less than 180mi range, on an interstate that cuts through mountainous areas.
If it were operated on surface streets in hilly areas, the range would be far less.
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Once a battery operated vehicle reaches 50% battery life, it begins to loose range at a higher rate, compared to a charge rate above 50%.
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The advertised rates for EVs are for operation AT the least, wind resistant speed, on completely flat terrain, with no parasitic devices operating (HVAC, Sound Sys, Tablet Monitor etc.). Conditions in which most EVs will never be operated by their owners.
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Further, EV batteries, start to loose range as they cycle during use. An EV with 15k miles will have less charge retention than a new EV, and as the vehicle approaches, 50k miles, it overall charge retention is down by 10% to 15%. That next 50k will see a far greater loss in charge compared to the first 50k miles (expect a 25% to 40% loss in potential charge retention) This is simply a fact of Lithium ion battery degradation. At 150k the EV will not be able to retain 60% of its initial charge retention. The more the owner operates and recharges their EV, the quicker charge retention degrades. Rapid charging you EV degrades the battery faster than slow charging the battery.
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I agree, range does not matter. I have a 1200 mile round trip to see my parents and did this trip many times in ICE cars in the past 20 years. One of those could theoretically have done 500 miles on one tank but I still took breaks. I have an EV now and charging stops are easy. Last trip I drove through the night and slept in the boot of my airconditioned car while it was charging.
How do you tell how fast the super charger is as your drive up?
Love your Chanel, funny and informative.
FYI I have a MY like yours (June 2020) and I find the suspension too hard. Just got 18’ wheels and it made a difference. Martian wheels 18’ look cool and they’re superlight and my efficiency didn’t change at all
Great travel vlog! Looking forward to when most hotels have level-2 chargers. Ideally they’d be able to have enough for any EV that stays the night but they could also have someone move extension cords around in the middle of the night to stretch their charging infrastructure a bit further.
EV owners should encourage them to charge wholesale electric pricing instead of having other guests subsidize the cost. Then, we could expect hotels to roll out more chargers. We are gonna need them soon!
@@markhovis8033 there are several ways to get the EV driving guests to pay for the kWh they use - to setup the logistics.. Hotels could make it a profit center if they want.. Charging an EV off-peak rates might cost $5 to $10… If a hotel didn’t want to get into meters and all that they could just make EV guests pay to park in stalls that have outlets - flat rate. Limit the charger outlet current to match the amount of electricity the fee covers. I believe there are charge point operators they could contract with too.
But a question they’ll have to answer is whether to provide lodging in an all-inclusive way, or more a la carte, charging customers for just what they use? I rarely eat anything in the “free breakfast” at hotels because it’s usually sugary garbage, but I don’t have a choice to opt out, so I subsidize the folks that tank up at the feed trough… I don’t watch cable TV but I have to pay for that. I don’t use the pool or hot tub… Or the exercise room… Etc. Is the EV charging outlet an amenity? Or a service?
One of my favorite drives outside of the Phoenix area!! The views are spectacular to say the least! It's time for a road trip.
There really isn't that much hatred out there but there are those who would love us to think that there is, it serves their devious purposes to make us angry at each other.
My wife never watches but that is all good! She drives the Y though. Keep chugging!
Yeah I think solar makes sense, less money than wind and the rest of the money can be used for grid batteries like the Giga packs.
the windmill blades are now recyclable and they produce 15% to 18% from wind nation wide. For example Veolia and GE have partner and shred those blades into cement . Carbon Rivers transforms those blades since they are made mostly from fiberglass blades into textiles and other synthetic materials and Global Fiberglass turns those blades into railroad ties and plastic pellets; and Finally Vestas and partner's will take the epoxy refine it and reuse it for new blades. so is a win win.
Thank you for your inspirational message. I need to spend time thinking about what really makes me happy and how I can turn that into additional income. So awesome you were able to quit your job and do YT full time!
Bro, you can stop by my house in Albuquerque in the 505 charge for free. Plus we are both lefties on the course so we can play golf as well.
That would be sweet! I have my clubs too. Maybe on the way back
Great story here and a damn good lesson for life, listen carefully!
It toally matters, dude. I have a MY SR and have to constantly charge every 120-150mi
While I used to drive for 4 or 5 hours without stopping, having an EV that forces you to stop and rest every 2 or 3 hours is really good for the driving while sleepy issue. With him being in the West, though, a bit more range would be helpful. My roadtrips are only on the East Coast, though, so finding superchargers isn't a concern.
I have a long range
Range Always Matters. EV’s estimated range is never accurate on the highway so it is always a big deal.
@@TrainsFerriesFeet I mean, lets be honest, if you need to stop every 2-3 hours so you don't fall asleep at the wheel, there's a bigger issue there lol. Not only are you stopping more often, you're stopping for 30 minutes minimum.
I just bought the Austin built model Y and drove 171 miles starting with 100% charge and arrived at my destination with 38% left. It was a mix of Highway and backroads. I can’t believe how accurate the range is on this version. We set the car to only travel 5mph over the speed limit.
Omg the gabs between the door and the wall in that toilet😮 I probably block when I'm about to p**p there! 😅
There is a use for spent wind turbine blades. They can be chopped up and added to asphalt for road surfacing. They must be profitable. Why do you think they keep putting so many up?
I've had my Model Y for almost 3 years, and I have only taken it in one little 200 mile road trip. I never took it on another trip again. There are too many sacrifices to be made. For in town driving its amazing, but the electric car still has a long way to go before it replaces a gas car entirely. I love my Tesla, but I'm not getting rid of my Suburban any time soon.
Excellent vid. (Thx for ur family friendliness.) :)
12:23 just pinning the “fuck your wallet” song for everyone
I'm 72 years old and used to drive up to 22 hrs at a time. Looks like now America has produced a bunch of sisses, who have trouble driving 8 hrs at a time!
Yea I bet you drove 22 hours straight hahaha
I came for the Tesla AZ Vlogs (I'm in Gilbert), but stayed for the out of pocket/random rants/comedic lawyer sing-alongs.
You should do a local meet up with Tesla owners.
Just did a road trip on spring break in a gas vehicle. EV would just make me nervous as traffic jams added ~2-3 hours to in vehicle time. Getting lowish battery and stuck for 2 hours... seems bad.
You are funny and entertaining. You made the right move.
This is something Elon said about the model s plaid +, that you don’t need 500+ miles when you have the supercharger network. I will say I wish the 330mi range on my Y was more true but I digress.
How much range do you get on the Y?
The 150 mph speed of the tip of the turbine blades sounds reasonable.
About recyclability of the blades, the challenge is fiberglass, no matter it’s application. I understand recyclability of fiberglass is improving, so hopefully we won’t have so many 50 year old boat hulls sitting abandoned in junk yards. 😜
27:09 fyi they have figured out how to recycle them.
Totally agree! We have never once worried about range on our 2023 Mod Y. If anything superchargers are too darn fast. As you say you’ve got to push down your food to avoid idle fees. 45mins imo is the ideal wait to fully charge again.
Loving your channel and my car of course!
Cheers from Australia!
BULLSHIT!!!!
It's cool seeing you drive right by my house on RUclips 🤙🏻
Windpower is very cost effective to generate power, not on the same scale as Solar but certainly far cheaper than Natural Gas, Coal and certainly much much less than Nuclear power generating stations!