Chris Squire would have relished Tony Levin's bass lines and given it that Chris Squire touch. Alan White would have mastered Bill Bruford's drum part as he had done over and over in Yes. Steve Howe just might pull off playing both guitar parts simultaneously. How? Yes.
Heard 'Discipline' for the first time back in 1983, when I was 15 years old. It blew the top of my head off, like the rest of the album did. Around that time I had taken my dad's cheap nylon string guitar off the wall to learn myself how to play. 'Discipline' seemed impossible to play and it was. I let go and practised songs from The Police on the old six-string. Three decades later, in the possession of a Les Paul, and with the discipline I couldn't muster when I was young, and with the aid of RUclips, I started practising 'Discipline'. What a wonderful journey that is! Layer after layer I peeled off, needed to work on my picking craft, even needed to rethink the way I hold my pick. Speaking of practising patience... Step by step, frame by frame getting there... A musical pilgrimage.
I've been working on the Belew part. The notes he is playing are not difficult at all. I know exactly what he's playing, but I can't do it at that speed, even after hours of practice doing those riffs over and over. And you have to tune out Fripp, because that polyrhythm throws you completely off even when you're playing the same damn riff over and over with the Belew part. Fripp's part is far more brutal and I can't even approach it at the moment.
@@UrbanMonkey55 'Discipline' isn't even Mount Everest, it's K3. At least, to me it is. Still, practise is going to get you there, starting slow and gradually turn up the speed. Never give up!
@@leofender909 I wouldn't dare... I know my limits in my playing and also, the limits to my marriage. Do please check the incredible Maria Barbieri playing Fracture flawless: ruclips.net/video/RvYxSSu3cOs/видео.html
This actually makes sense bc the song is in 5 and you can sorta see where the knots form a star pattern around the perimeter of it (and iirc one of those 5 patterns only lines up every 3rd time which reflects the 3 loops in the middle)
Grade 10 1983. Most at my high school are listening to Zep, Skynard, AC/DC, Ozzy etc. These motherfuckers play a ski hill in Ottawa/Gatineau. They are at the bottom of the smallish hill and audience is all sitting on the slope. I am obsessed already. One of the most impactful musical experiences of my life.
"During the piece the two guitars of Belew and Fripp, respectively, move through the following sequence of pairs of time signatures: 5/8 and 5/8, 5/8 and 4/4, 5/8 and 9/8, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16, 10/8 and 20/16, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16, 12/16 and 12/16, 12/16 and 11/16, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16. "Throughout the drums play in 17/16 - the Bill Bruford drumming video, 'Bruford and the Beat,' builds up to an explanation of the 17/16 pattern used (including the fact that the 4/4 bass drum pattern is maintained as a 'dance groove') and includes a live performance of the track interleaved with an interview with Robert Fripp about aspects of the track. "In other interviews Fripp has explained that the track was composed as an exercise in discipline - no single instrument is allowed to take the lead role in the performance, nor to play as simply an accompaniment to the other instruments, but each player must maintain an equal role while allowing others to do the same." (i stole this from a reddit comment)
I didn't need this explanation, it's totally obvious, for I readily count in 14/16 and 17/16 as I brush my teeth and scratch my belly. Totally intuitive, you know how it is. Or at least I do, here in the court of the crimson king.
I played this for my (now) wife for the first time, when I was introducing King Crimson's music to her. She said, "I love how rich and complex their music is. I've never heard anything like it." Both she and this music are just right, and move me more deeply than I can put into words.
I've heard their guitar bit in Tool's cover of No Quarter by Led Zeppelin, which in turn is likely a cover. You cannot miss it, 4:35 especially if you grew up with knowing Frame By Frame. I bet they used more of their stuff too, and I want to hear it!
This is one of the rare albums where each and every member of the band significantly contributed something of their specific personality to the final product.
My kids grew up listening to this & “Beat”. Myself, “Court of the Crimson King”, “In the Wake Of Poseidon”, “Lizard”, “Lark’s Tongue In Aspic”, “Starless and Bible Black”, “Red”.......you get it!
@@archishmandasgupta9218 I am a fan of the idea of mashing short studio tracks and longer, more experimental live improv ones together on a record. Wish they had included Dr. Diamond but you can usually get that as a bonus track anyway.
This group was never played on the radio in my California City as i grew up in the 60s 70s and 80s. Its 2022 and i just read an article that Rush Guitarist Alex Lifeson says this track is one of his all time faves so i had to come here and listen.....
I would not say this is a minimalist song. It may look like that one the surface but there is a lot of things going on at the same time. Its layered so wonderfully, the instruments play of each other so masterfully.
@@cadencooper1828 Could very well be, but it is reasonable to think that someone could think its mimalistic because it does seem like that the first few listens. Idk
@@gusdoes897 You're mistaking minimalism with simple, when done best minimalism can be very complicated. Notice how layers are built on a looping motif, then slowly transformed through the reiteration of other musical phrases.
I saw KC at The Venue, London, in October 1981, on the Discipline album tour. I was 17 at the time, and the gig was still the most amazing thing I've ever seen, it's not even close.
Went to see King Crimson live in 2015 with my girlfriend who was new to their music. Her comment was "It's making my nipples erect." Best review of any gig.
I listened to this album on acid last night. Robert Fripp has been my favorite guitarist and creative inspiration for a while now, but after listening to some of his works last night I can say that Robert Fripp IS the line between genius and insanity. Wickedly smart and the definition of a professional. He is one of the immortals
@@L00PdeL00P This comment was a reference to this album containing the most unique use of time signatures and heavier tones, both of which are tool signatures. TOOL was fully inspiried by King Crimson in areas, whether it is the same genre for influence matters not. Look at Kurt Cobain being influenced by Daniel Johnston
Honestly I hear a bit of schism in this track. Th influence is there, for sure. Love it. This music is more cerebral and less heavy and rockin'. I prefer Tool because of Maynard beautiful vocals and the heavier sounds, but I sure am glad they have this as an influence.
my friends and i used to dig so deep to find music of this caliber in high school, from the vaults id call it. unfortunately KC was hard to find if at all on youtube back in 2009 so we were left to recommendations from people. It was always "Yes" or Al Di Meola amongst others. My god im just discovering this album as well as COTCK tonight and i really fucking wish i knew about this back then when i was in high school.
Fantastic instrumental piece; a work of art, this title track is! Pay careful attention to Tony Levin's hypnotizing bassline, that kicks in at 0:11. And what to say about the remarkable key changes at 1:43 and at 3:24? Oh, so good... A perfect way to finish the outstanding _Discipline_ (1981) album. Fits very well for endurance spinning classes and concentration, for instance. Can listen to this on a loop, easily.
If anybody's trying to learn the main drum groove for the song (the one from the start), I believe the tom sound is 17/16 starting on the a of 1, then on 3, then on the e of 4 and the a of 4. Then it repeats. 1 e + * 2 e + a * e + a 4 * + * 5 (* = tom sound).
During the piece the two guitars of Belew and Fripp, respectively, move through the following sequence of pairs of time signatures: 5/8 and 5/8, 5/8 and 4/4, 5/8 and 9/8, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16, 10/8 and 20/16, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16, 12/16 and 12/16, 12/16 and 11/16, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16."Throughout the drums play in 17/16 - the Bill Bruford drumming video, 'Bruford and the Beat,' builds up to an explanation of the 17/16 pattern used (including the fact that the 4/4 bass drum pattern is maintained as a 'dance groove'
I am no connaisseur of music, but I always thought if I had to choose what song looks the hardest to play (amongst the songs that I know of course), I would go with this one.
@@UrbanMonkey55 I believe the difficulty level behind this track is not about being able to play each instrument separately, but keeping everything flowing when playing together with the band. Way too many polyrhythms within it, everyone's playing a separate thing. It's easy to get lost. Even KC doesn't always play it tight live.
@@fabioriato I agree, but I'm close to mastering the Belew part on this song. But the rythym of the other instruments throws me off. The Fripp part is way harder.
I was a senior in high school when this came out, sixteen years old. I was a Genesis/Yes kind of prog fan (with a strong backbone in The Who). A friend let me borrow this new record, and though I kinda liked KC's first album, I could neither get my head around this new bit of exotica nor let it go. I even saw "Elephant Talk" live on Fridays on tv, but was more weirded out by it than anything: whole tone scales? Pink suit? A sitting guitarist? Bald guy with some space-alien stringed phallus? But though I didn't even really "like" the music the way I liked most music, which generally required a sort of romantic attachment or intention to be associated with it, the album began to grow on me. I started listening to it more on headphones, not wanting my parents and brother to hear it, because I thought it would freak them out even more than it freaked me out and make them think I'd lost it. But then, one night, when my brother was away and my parents went out late, leaving me home alone, I started cranking the album on our stereo speakers (we had a good loud system in the living room, a Bang & Olufsen) and played it three times in a row, digging it more each time. I remember it so well: this track was blaring for the third time, and all the lights in the house were off. The music was so loud that I didn't hear my parents come in the side door -- but all at once I saw this silhouette figure dancing in from the kitchen into the near-dark living room, and it was my mother, totally entranced and totally into it. She was grooving, and she loved it!
The foundational influence of math rock has been around much earlier actually i.e. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Tarkus ('71), Egg - Long Piece ('71), Frank Zappa - St. Alfonzo's Pancake Breakfast/Father O'blivion ('74), a number of Gentle Giant songs from '72-'76, Jethro Tull's album-length long pieces Thick As A Brick and A Passion Play ('72-'73), Mahavishnu Orchestra - Noonward Race ('71), Birds Of Fire and One Word ('73), any band featuring Dave Stewart's contribution, the list goes on.
@@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 you are wrong. Math Rock came out from the Post Hardcore comunity. People who wouldnt ever in their life lisent to Gentle Giant or ELP, the only bands Punks would lisent are Crimson, VDGG anf Zappa. Math Rock has a minimalist edge given by constant Looping of themes, the only prog bands who had that feel were Can and Neu!, Fripp absorved the german influences by working with Eno and Bowie in Berlin. Discipline wears all the landmarks to be the FIRST EVER Mathrock in the world.
@@echoesofadistanttime7244 Adam Jones has said in interviews that he pulled inspiration from KC. There are several KC songs that have tool-esque parts in them.
This is rock music for grown up adults. And there are very little examples of such grown up adult music in the "popular musix from the the 20th/21th century" (most of it actually fall in the "jazz" category, but sadly it's not been that much popular for the last 50 years or so). It is sad to see that from an historical persepective, rock music chose to stay a teenager forever, never growing up nor taking its full responsibilites. But then perhaps it's by its very own definition.
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"What time signature is this in?"
"Yes."
Chris Squire would have relished Tony Levin's bass lines and given it that Chris Squire touch. Alan White would have mastered Bill Bruford's drum part as he had done over and over in Yes. Steve Howe just might pull off playing both guitar parts simultaneously. How? Yes.
@@echoesofadistanttime7244 Yessongs: Awesome performances, muddy sound engineering. Couldn't they clean up the tapes with today's tech?
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Exactly
@@Purplepenpeople Tool likes odd time signatures, too
Heard 'Discipline' for the first time back in 1983, when I was 15 years old. It blew the top of my head off, like the rest of the album did. Around that time I had taken my dad's cheap nylon string guitar off the wall to learn myself how to play. 'Discipline' seemed impossible to play and it was. I let go and practised songs from The Police on the old six-string. Three decades later, in the possession of a Les Paul, and with the discipline I couldn't muster when I was young, and with the aid of RUclips, I started practising 'Discipline'. What a wonderful journey that is! Layer after layer I peeled off, needed to work on my picking craft, even needed to rethink the way I hold my pick. Speaking of practising patience... Step by step, frame by frame getting there... A musical pilgrimage.
I've been working on the Belew part. The notes he is playing are not difficult at all. I know exactly what he's playing, but I can't do it at that speed, even after hours of practice doing those riffs over and over. And you have to tune out Fripp, because that polyrhythm throws you completely off even when you're playing the same damn riff over and over with the Belew part. Fripp's part is far more brutal and I can't even approach it at the moment.
Now try your hand at fracture lol
@@UrbanMonkey55 'Discipline' isn't even Mount Everest, it's K3. At least, to me it is. Still, practise is going to get you there, starting slow and gradually turn up the speed. Never give up!
@@leofender909 I wouldn't dare... I know my limits in my playing and also, the limits to my marriage. Do please check the incredible Maria Barbieri playing Fracture flawless: ruclips.net/video/RvYxSSu3cOs/видео.html
@@bertbosman2710 I'm done..can't imagine how much dedication and practice it takes to play that one so perfectly.
"Discipline is not an end in itself, only a means to an end"
This sounds like the album cover.
NST
Wow you're somehow right
Lol I've had this thought as well, but for thela hun ginjeet.
This actually makes sense bc the song is in 5 and you can sorta see where the knots form a star pattern around the perimeter of it (and iirc one of those 5 patterns only lines up every 3rd time which reflects the 3 loops in the middle)
Tastes like the álbum too
Grade 10 1983. Most at my high school are listening to Zep, Skynard, AC/DC, Ozzy etc. These motherfuckers play a ski hill in Ottawa/Gatineau. They are at the bottom of the smallish hill and audience is all sitting on the slope. I am obsessed already. One of the most impactful musical experiences of my life.
I was there too.
Yes, Impactful.
"During the piece the two guitars of Belew and Fripp, respectively, move through the following sequence of pairs of time signatures: 5/8 and 5/8, 5/8 and 4/4, 5/8 and 9/8, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16, 10/8 and 20/16, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16, 12/16 and 12/16, 12/16 and 11/16, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16.
"Throughout the drums play in 17/16 - the Bill Bruford drumming video, 'Bruford and the Beat,' builds up to an explanation of the 17/16 pattern used (including the fact that the 4/4 bass drum pattern is maintained as a 'dance groove') and includes a live performance of the track interleaved with an interview with Robert Fripp about aspects of the track.
"In other interviews Fripp has explained that the track was composed as an exercise in discipline - no single instrument is allowed to take the lead role in the performance, nor to play as simply an accompaniment to the other instruments, but each player must maintain an equal role while allowing others to do the same."
(i stole this from a reddit comment)
Nice
Its obvious when you put it like that
I didn't need this explanation, it's totally obvious, for I readily count in 14/16 and 17/16 as I brush my teeth and scratch my belly. Totally intuitive, you know how it is. Or at least I do, here in the court of the crimson king.
@@qqw743lol sure 😂
They meet in the middle .. I think they were also facing each other when they recorded this track.
i could hear this on loop for hours
Me too.
I do, the CD is stuck in my truck’s CD player. No complaints!
Yeah me too!!!! This song gives me such a power, when I feel down!!
@@crabcake43011 woah, it’s stuck in your CD player? That’s a VERY good sign. Your truck became one with the Crimson knot! 😄
got the first 1:42 min in a loop
I played this for my (now) wife for the first time, when I was introducing King Crimson's music to her. She said, "I love how rich and complex their music is. I've never heard anything like it."
Both she and this music are just right, and move me more deeply than I can put into words.
Cool story bro
You are a fortunate man.
Sure your wife is someone interesting! Hugs for you both !
I want to live that dream as well. Cheers, man.
if you like a bit of distortion, I think you might also love TOOL
Jesus, what a track. Levin's bass-work is mesmerizing.
One of the best bass lines ever created IMO
KC's closing tracks are always MASTERFUL!
That's what I love about king crimson, if you're hearing a song of theirs for the first time you're going to hear something completely unique.
I've heard their guitar bit in Tool's cover of No Quarter by Led Zeppelin, which in turn is likely a cover. You cannot miss it, 4:35 especially if you grew up with knowing Frame By Frame. I bet they used more of their stuff too, and I want to hear it!
yes
And even if you hear it for the 2nd 12th or 20th time or more... It's going to be unique
This is so weirdly relaxed yet tight and groovy like what a great last song for an album
This is one of the rare albums where each and every member of the band significantly contributed something of their specific personality to the final product.
I like to think this song is what being disciplined is. You do the things you don't want to(tight and groovy) and be relaxed and fine later.
Easily one of my favorite 16 King Crimson albums... EASILY...
Masterpiece. My absolute favorite KC album. Don't forget the Sheltering Sky!
I love the sheltering sky as well and always got weird alien spaceship in the sky vibes
My kids grew up listening to this & “Beat”. Myself, “Court of the Crimson King”, “In the Wake Of Poseidon”, “Lizard”, “Lark’s Tongue In Aspic”, “Starless and Bible Black”, “Red”.......you get it!
"Islands" is sometimes overlooked.
Starless and Bible black album is not that good compared to the other ones like Red,Lars Aspic,court ,lizard,islands,posiedon , discipline .
@@archishmandasgupta9218 I am a fan of the idea of mashing short studio tracks and longer, more experimental live improv ones together on a record. Wish they had included Dr. Diamond but you can usually get that as a bonus track anyway.
@@daniels7568 Fracture is great tho ..But overall not a fan of that album ,,the production is also lacking a bit
Bible black😳😳
Did anyone else feel weirdly sad when the music stopped abruptly? Like not just "oh this was great, wish it kept going!" It got me emotional
Yes, it leaves you in darkness like a back hole sucked all your imagination when it stops after this flight
This group was never played on the radio in my California City as i grew up in the 60s 70s and 80s. Its 2022 and i just read an article that Rush Guitarist Alex Lifeson says this track is one of his all time faves so i had to come here and listen.....
Woke up to the discipline album being released to youtube
Best KC album
Definitely one of their best - but "The" best? I think there's a strong competition beetween Discipline, Lark's tongues, Starless &BibleBlack and Red
You sir are correct.
@@TheAxel65 it's the best
The music doesn't feel like its going anywhere, almost as if its stationary, perpetually perfect in its composition
Concordo plenamente, meu amigo caralho
Tool - vicarious????? 😮
The Steve Reich influence is strong with this one
Yet oppositely and back, Reich composed something near Discipline for Metheny interpretation named Electric Counterpoint.
I know putting your favourite songs as an alarm to wake up in the morning is a bad idea, but this worked really well for me
"+5 Combat Strength when fighting Barbarians."
Moldvay Basic D&D or TSR's "Gamma World" + New Wave Early 80's King Crimson = infinite win.
Good taste in music and games I see.
what is the reference?
Pretty much the perfect instrumental expression of this Crimson's essence. Admittedly, pointillistic rock was a hard game to keep up :)
Not that some of us aren’t still trying.
One of the greatest songs of all time and an incredible bass line.
This is one of the greatest albums ever!
I had never heard this incarnation, then caught them on this tour in Vancouver. They opened with Discipline.... O. My. God.
Chapman Stick plus Tony Levin equals OMG !!!!! 😮
傑作アルバム
これも極致
クラシック音楽の現代音楽のミニマル音楽として出来が良い
ロックバンドの曲とは思えない
複雑なテクスチャ
suberashi ne
Perfect conclusion for this extraordinary album. These riffs are hypnotic.
One of the single greatest recordings in modern music history.
I've never listened to this album before so I'm getting blown off my feet, it's like they have a different type of polymeter in every song
Dr. Bill Bruford mastery of rhythmic phrasing in full display.
This is my number one favorite album of King Crimson. I was very impressed with each track. Their debut was my second favorite.
A perfect minimalist rock song.
I would not say this is a minimalist song. It may look like that one the surface but there is a lot of things going on at the same time. Its layered so wonderfully, the instruments play of each other so masterfully.
@@gusdoes897 Maybe he was being sarcastic?
@@cadencooper1828 Could very well be, but it is reasonable to think that someone could think its mimalistic because it does seem like that the first few listens. Idk
@@gusdoes897 You're mistaking minimalism with simple, when done best minimalism can be very complicated. Notice how layers are built on a looping motif, then slowly transformed through the reiteration of other musical phrases.
I think is a nice debate. I wouldn't call it minimalist but it has some minimalist elements.
Always stitches my brain back together.
Pure genius I do think it's good
ロバート フリップを尊敬しています。神経質な、神経をかき乱すようなギター😮
This isn’t just music
This is music playing on top of music
40 years old today, this album, and still sounds perfect.
I saw KC at The Venue, London, in October 1981, on the Discipline album tour. I was 17 at the time, and the gig was still the most amazing thing I've ever seen, it's not even close.
this is the audio representation of a snake eating its own tail
Life's all about illustrating the cycles
Founding fathers of Math Rock 🔥
Fripp and Belew are masters of the masters of playing really intriguing harmonies. They have a similar style in The ConstruKction of Light.
It's like a fascinating, elegant clockwork with expressive complications that come and go.
Perfect title for the song. It must take real discipline to play like that.
it's not a song
@@charlesnelson5187it’s a way of life
@@AtomizedSound and a means to an end
Best King Crimson piece ever
Went to see King Crimson live in 2015 with my girlfriend who was new to their music. Her comment was "It's making my nipples erect." Best review of any gig.
Like toyah ??
sounds like a keeper
Lmfao
コレは当時高校生だった頃リリースされ音楽雑誌やラジオなど色んなメディアが "クリムゾンのニューアルバムがヤバいっ" てんでにわかに色めき立ったんだよ どんなモンだってんでレンタル・レコードで借りて来てカセット・テープにコピーしてそらもう散々聴いたんだよ 当時ROCKを探求していたとは言えストーンズやクラプトン、ツェップ、ジェフ・ベック… そんな中このディシプリンは難解過ぎて無理だったよ
でも今聴くと懐かしくも有り、その深みに改めてはまったよ😨
Never heard king grimson before and i'm a huge genesis and rush fan. this is going to be fun exploring their music.
This song was the reason I fell in love with them
I see you are the crimson queen :)
@@treehann thanx♡
So hot. No other contemporary musician group was even close to this.
I listened to this album on acid last night. Robert Fripp has been my favorite guitarist and creative inspiration for a while now, but after listening to some of his works last night I can say that Robert Fripp IS the line between genius and insanity. Wickedly smart and the definition of a professional. He is one of the immortals
You can hear that Tool got inspired by the songs of this album
Danny & Adam are huge KC fans
They be doing more of a metal thing in my opinion.
@@L00PdeL00P This comment was a reference to this album containing the most unique use of time signatures and heavier tones, both of which are tool signatures. TOOL was fully inspiried by King Crimson in areas, whether it is the same genre for influence matters not. Look at Kurt Cobain being influenced by Daniel Johnston
@@marshmallewocolors
I can totally hear how this inspired Tool, I’m just comparing on a superficial level.
Honestly I hear a bit of schism in this track. Th influence is there, for sure. Love it. This music is more cerebral and less heavy and rockin'. I prefer Tool because of Maynard beautiful vocals and the heavier sounds, but I sure am glad they have this as an influence.
最近ではクリムゾンのアルバムはこれが一番好きだ。次点で雲雀。
Untranslated, this comment is almost as difficult to comprehend as the piece in question
🙃💦
@@dubchile
翻訳アプリケーションを使って下さい 或いはAIにゆだねるか 😓
Tool brought me to King Crimson. King Crimson brought Tool to all of us.
I hear similarities between this and the song H.
I cant stand King Crimson without my spinning tamborine 😅
Great!
my friends and i used to dig so deep to find music of this caliber in high school, from the vaults id call it. unfortunately KC was hard to find if at all on youtube back in 2009 so we were left to recommendations from people. It was always "Yes" or Al Di Meola amongst others. My god im just discovering this album as well as COTCK tonight and i really fucking wish i knew about this back then when i was in high school.
i will wait you...
Fantastic instrumental piece; a work of art, this title track is! Pay careful attention to Tony Levin's hypnotizing bassline, that kicks in at 0:11. And what to say about the remarkable key changes at 1:43 and at 3:24? Oh, so good... A perfect way to finish the outstanding _Discipline_ (1981) album. Fits very well for endurance spinning classes and concentration, for instance. Can listen to this on a loop, easily.
Some absolutely brilliant work with 4 of my all time favourite musicians in the crew. Bravo!
Muita criatividade, isso alimenta à alma.
This is the best song ever!
masterpiece. utterly hypnotic.
I need a 30 minutes version of this!! ‼️🔥
Super gespielt.❤❤❤❤
Yuk lebih apresiasi musik tradisional Indonesia, liat nih KC aja dapet inspirasi dari gamelan
Keren ya musisi luar ruclips.net/video/43QwWJdH4o4/видео.html
@@loveliness1219 banget
Lmfo
LITERALLY listen to any individual part on this. It's laughably AWESOME.
If anybody's trying to learn the main drum groove for the song (the one from the start), I believe the tom sound is 17/16 starting on the a of 1, then on 3, then on the e of 4 and the a of 4. Then it repeats.
1 e + * 2 e + a * e + a 4 * + * 5 (* = tom sound).
During the piece the two guitars of Belew and Fripp, respectively, move through the following sequence of pairs of time signatures: 5/8 and 5/8, 5/8 and 4/4, 5/8 and 9/8, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16, 10/8 and 20/16, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16, 12/16 and 12/16, 12/16 and 11/16, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16."Throughout the drums play in 17/16 - the Bill Bruford drumming video, 'Bruford and the Beat,' builds up to an explanation of the 17/16 pattern used (including the fact that the 4/4 bass drum pattern is maintained as a 'dance groove'
I am no connaisseur of music, but I always thought if I had to choose what song looks the hardest to play (amongst the songs that I know of course), I would go with this one.
Try hearing to fraKctured next hehe
Honestly, I find Elephant Talk a lot more difficult than this one. I can at least slow it down and play the riffs on this one at moderate speed.
@@UrbanMonkey55 I believe the difficulty level behind this track is not about being able to play each instrument separately, but keeping everything flowing when playing together with the band. Way too many polyrhythms within it, everyone's playing a separate thing. It's easy to get lost. Even KC doesn't always play it tight live.
@@fabioriato I agree, but I'm close to mastering the Belew part on this song. But the rythym of the other instruments throws me off. The Fripp part is way harder.
@@UrbanMonkey55 the fripp parts aren't much more trouble than belew's. I think if you could get belew's down, fripp's wouldn't be much harder.
Groundbreaking band from the old days.
Fantastic 👍👍
I was a senior in high school when this came out, sixteen years old. I was a Genesis/Yes kind of prog fan (with a strong backbone in The Who). A friend let me borrow this new record, and though I kinda liked KC's first album, I could neither get my head around this new bit of exotica nor let it go. I even saw "Elephant Talk" live on Fridays on tv, but was more weirded out by it than anything: whole tone scales? Pink suit? A sitting guitarist? Bald guy with some space-alien stringed phallus? But though I didn't even really "like" the music the way I liked most music, which generally required a sort of romantic attachment or intention to be associated with it, the album began to grow on me. I started listening to it more on headphones, not wanting my parents and brother to hear it, because I thought it would freak them out even more than it freaked me out and make them think I'd lost it. But then, one night, when my brother was away and my parents went out late, leaving me home alone, I started cranking the album on our stereo speakers (we had a good loud system in the living room, a Bang & Olufsen) and played it three times in a row, digging it more each time. I remember it so well: this track was blaring for the third time, and all the lights in the house were off. The music was so loud that I didn't hear my parents come in the side door -- but all at once I saw this silhouette figure dancing in from the kitchen into the near-dark living room, and it was my mother, totally entranced and totally into it. She was grooving, and she loved it!
Saw this live in '81. Just wow...
Swirling swarm of metal bees!
Incredible !!!
I wish this gets a remix oneday, with stick nicely tight and deep like on Thrak album because this bassline deserves it.
Still a classic of its kind.
In crescendo the excelence of the song, that's what I feel, and the drums push me to that.
that's Bill Bruford for ya
so gooooooooooooooood
Thanks for the upload!
Saw this show San Francisco amazing
That moment when you feel hard to express how you feel, masterpiece.
Best math rock came out years before math rock
Steward Copeland was obviously inspired by this when he wrote certain songs for Spyro 1.
Whaaaat?
just perfect
Of course it's a brilliant composition and performance, but also: the sonics / the tones on this recording are just soooo nice
Simply a wonderful piece, very fun to play despite the (no pun intended) discipline it really takes.
WHAT The tour w Belew vai carey levin OMG 🔥
This sounds like discipline
Magic 🤗
forget thinking about the technical and composition behind it, we all gotta admit that this is one of the most fucking badass songs out there
try this in your top 40 cover band
Probably the first math rock song
I agree and it's my favourite KC tune, prior to this one they made 'One More Red Nightmare" which sounds math rock too.
The foundational influence of math rock has been around much earlier actually i.e. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Tarkus ('71), Egg - Long Piece ('71), Frank Zappa - St. Alfonzo's Pancake Breakfast/Father O'blivion ('74), a number of Gentle Giant songs from '72-'76, Jethro Tull's album-length long pieces Thick As A Brick and A Passion Play ('72-'73), Mahavishnu Orchestra - Noonward Race ('71), Birds Of Fire and One Word ('73), any band featuring Dave Stewart's contribution, the list goes on.
AMEN!!!
@@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 you are wrong. Math Rock came out from the Post Hardcore comunity. People who wouldnt ever in their life lisent to Gentle Giant or ELP, the only bands Punks would lisent are Crimson, VDGG anf Zappa. Math Rock has a minimalist edge given by constant Looping of themes, the only prog bands who had that feel were Can and Neu!, Fripp absorved the german influences by working with Eno and Bowie in Berlin.
Discipline wears all the landmarks to be the FIRST EVER Mathrock in the world.
It's not Math Rock, this is pure Prog Rock. The difference is that Prog Rock is good
Great álbum
So sad to see them go.
It really takes discipline to learn how to play this.
I dont get it.
Sounds like a main menu
Without Crimson there wouldn't be Tool and for that I thank them.
@@echoesofadistanttime7244 Adam Jones has said in interviews that he pulled inspiration from KC. There are several KC songs that have tool-esque parts in them.
@@echoesofadistanttime7244 also the begining of "discipline" sounds very tool-esque
@@echoesofadistanttime7244 well, this song sounds similar to Vicarious and Schism
Ive never heard something so good
This is rock music for grown up adults. And there are very little examples of such grown up adult music in the "popular musix from the the 20th/21th century" (most of it actually fall in the "jazz" category, but sadly it's not been that much popular for the last 50 years or so). It is sad to see that from an historical persepective, rock music chose to stay a teenager forever, never growing up nor taking its full responsibilites. But then perhaps it's by its very own definition.
💕😎thanks😎💕
Fantastic track!
The beginning is almost a bit Steve Reich-esque. Very hypnotic