Games Workshop CEO Said It Would Sell Out: RIP Skaventide
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Few things stir the pot, like a bold claim from Games Workshop’s CEO. When the Skaventide set was announced, it came with the continued promise that every single release would “nearly always” sell out.
Fast forward to almost two weeks post-preorder, and the boxes are still neatly stacked on Games Workshop’s webstore, waiting for eager hobbyists who have yet to materialize. Read The Post: spikeybits.com/age-of-sigmar/...
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Stop making the Stormcast the focus of everything. Imagine if they had some other Order faction against the Skaven. Imagine if all the resources that went into yet more Stormcast was put into literally anything else. Stormcast are NOT Space Marines. No matter how much GW wants them to be.
You have a good point.. literally ANY other order faction would be more interesting. As a Skaven player myself, I dont have much interest at all in the other half. Even as an enemy. Sure the models look okay.. but the faction as a whole feels boring. Literally any other order faction (or pretty much any other faction at all) would be more fun! .. Elves .. okay sure, why not? Seraphon Ya cool! .. Dwarves .. Cool, would be fun to have - Cites of Sigmar! .. Perfect! Deepkin .. Id love to have some. Sylvaneth .. Sure. would be nice to have some too.. But.. Stormcast .. is just so boring. Also.. 40 Clanrats.. come on.. already got 200 .. -.- Oh well.. I preordered anyways :))
Skaven aren't necessarily as popular as the internet thinks.
@@mogwaiman6048 True .. but is it more likely that players interested in Stormcast are purchasing the box and feeling 'meh' about the Skaven side?
@@awesomemusicstudio i think it's more about the price. But, the hyperbole over sales is also misleading. These boxes don't have to sellout to be profitable. The pre-order window hasn't even ended yet.
Speak for yourself. I love the storm casts. Give us more!!!!!
forgot to mention how they discontinued %50 of their models then said "we dont have room in storage for that stock" and have now released 5 times as many models in the interim.
It's the 3 years cycle the problem.
3rd ed was in a good place and could have stayed for 1 more year to build even more hype for 4th.
This ^^ I loved 3rd ed. Me and a buddy split the Dominion box, Idk what they mean about people being disappointed by it. I thought it was fantastic.
@@incizor1273 I thought too
Problem is the good place was built on cranking out battletomes to meet the 3 year cycle.
GW is doing everything they can to position themselves against their customers. Either suing fans, under printing books,jacking up pricing or just flat out blocking people who voice criticism. They don't care about the customer experience. This is another step down the long path of their decline. Sad to see after they had a boom and the audience exploded.
And there’s a chance of another boom with a live action show of some kind, sad truly
They have been infiltrated by communists.
sadly we seeing this kind of attitude when they get too big and forgotten their roots or morals, GW used to inspire people into the hobbey with tips, and new skills etc, building a community, but now like Disney and Adobe, they seem more interested in high prices and killing or changing rules, games, factions etc while they milk the cow
It's what happens when a bunch of super passionate dudes go public with their company. Investors have EXPECTATIONS.
Its over for them once 3d printing gets cheaper, easier, faster, and odor free. As the technology moves more towards "press of a button" and less from "learn a complete new skill set, Learn about all the care and maintenance of this complicated, expensive equipment" more and more laymen will embrace 3d printing and they are finished. They know this. It would surprise us all to know how many companies live paycheck to paycheck like the rest of us. In this case from release to release.
Remember the shows where someone would win a shopping spree and theyd give them a buggy, telling them "You have five minutes to fill this buggy with ANYTHING you want in this store... Now GO!!" Thats exactly what theyre doing right now with our money. Hence why they dont care about customer service. Or who they piss off or step on...
The board room discussions are never:
"How are we going to survive this upcoming age of 3d printing tomorrow?"
instead they are,
"How can we milk, and squeeze, and leach, and siphon every possible cent, today?"
They have absolutely no plan for the future, just to money grab with their shopping cart for the last five minutes of the show. Its all just wacky circus esque kazoo music while they run around grabbing at cash like buffoons. They have eroded the required level of respect from the loyal customer base that will be required to sustain patronage, and they know that too. So they just dont care anymore.
I think there are three main factors:
1. Existing players know that Skaven is the more exciting half; hence, many players wanting to start Stormcasts sensibly wait to pick and choose from the vast secondhand market.
2. The memory of the Stormcast Purge is extremely vivid in most people's minds, making potential players wary of picking Daddy GW's favorite, and bloated, faction. Stormcast fatigue is also perfectly understandable.
3. The Skaven aesthetics, not to mention horde armies, are not for everyone.
They deleted my entire Stormcast army just for kicks.
I'm sure as heck not buying another one.
To be blunt, it's just too goddamned expensive. I've spent a lot on this hobby, but I'm done with buying their massive boxes every three years filled with minis that I'm only going to use half of. They need to slow their new edition schedule, cut their prices to merely insane (instead of Lovecraftian madness level pricing), and focus on making a good game rather than a set of rules that need to be patched like they're a video game.
Enough, Games Workshop.
it's one of the cheaper hobbies around tbh. it's people buying massive piles of shit and not actually making, painting or playing with them which makes the hobby seems expensive. you can totally buy a $80AUD box of dudes and make that last a month+ of hobby time, including playing with them, but most people DON'T. It's like buying a new HDD for your pc then not installing it then complaining that PC components are too expensive for what you get (ie no extra storage because it's in the box on the desk)
@@Evil0tto in my opinion, the core book and spearhead materials should not be in the box. That would lower the price by half.
I legitimately think they tried very hard with this, but maybe people just like pew pew in space rather than pew pew in the realms of sigmar
Might have something to do with nuking a majority of existing Stormcast models?
They say to the Stormcast Player you’re going to have to replace your models, and then release SCE as the main focus for the box, and then expect the SCE player to invest in half a box. It’s just a really hard sell. Confidence might be being restored, but it’s a very bitter taste.
The problem with starter sets with storm cast eternals is you just get stormcast eternals. In 40K starter sets those space marines can go into death watch, black templars, blood angels, dark angels, space wolves and ultra marines plus all the other codex compliant chapters. It makes a starter set have a wide breath for existing players.
I think GW didn't learn their lesson last time with Dominion and are going to get a remedial class shortly. I don't play AoS but if I did, I'd never be buying things until a year after release, because prices tend to fall on these big box deals that don't go anywhere.
Well this is what GW gets for treating their fans like cash cows who will just buy everything they produce. I used to GW fan boy hard but then switched to 3d printing. Ended up dissolving my need to grab every single new release. That an the super slow roll outs for armies just pushed my patience to the breaking point.
I think the biggest problem is the price point. $265 is beyond what the market will bear. If the price was more in line with the pound to dollar exchange rate I might be more inclined to buy. In truth I went with a secondary seller and just picked up the Stormcast. Yes I know I have a problem…😜
If there is a lot available around christmas & I can grab one @ 40-50% off then maybe...still doesn't make sense how a box of plastic sprues, implements, and paper can cost more than my monthly commutation ticket - make it make sense
They think you will pay it so they charge it.
Number one hurdle to overcome is Price$$$!
Had nothing to do with me not wanting it. If I wanted it I would have got it.
After my entire stormcast army was removed. Did not feel like starting again. All my poor second edition stormcast gone. 😢 Did not feel too excited about the new expensive box set.
Have a few friends that would definitely be keen to get into Warhammer… until they see the prices of the models. We are all working, but it’s hard to justify paying AU$450 for a box of plastic models…even if you split it
I liked buying Dominion box for 80$ after year of its release. Maybe I'll buy this one if it drops to ~120$ levels on secondary market
Well, I suppose that cancelling lots of only 5 year old Stormcast miniatures and dropping Skavens from Warhammer Fantasy weren’t maybe the best marketing choices for this box. 😂😂😂
If they had combined the box with a skaven arcane journal that pushed the skaven up to being average in the old world it would probably have sold out.
Same thing happened to the Solar Auxilia box set. It's never been out of stock since its release.
Have you read this about them spikeybits.com/warhammer-40k/games-workshop-may-have-wasted-a-million-bucks-on-this/
@@spikeybitstv it would explain why they allowed Amazon to drop a 17% discount on the boxes as standard.
Trying to sell as many as they can.
Me? I’m using it to add some Engineers to my Death Korps army.
A head swap and I’m done.
By all accounts, AoS is more popular than WHFB was in its final editions, but this is at least two starter boxes in a row where it’s failed to sell out.
I’m sure price didn’t help, even though technically these are now two full armies for what appears to potentially be the most popular way of playing 4th edition.
I’m guessing tho it’s mostly down to Stormcast just not being the true Space Marines equivalent GW intended them to be.
GW just needs to accept it and release AoS Astartes. Not equivalents, but the real deal.
AOS is the worst universe as well, i've tried to read about the 'lore' but it's just stupid made up disc worlds. man it's pathetic.
@@JeffSichoeBro I hate to be the one to break this to you but all fictional worlds are made up.
@@JeffSichoe I’m not fan, but I wouldn’t call it dumb or terrible. I find it too abstract, and I come from the era of Rogue Trader and 2nd Ed 40m where the background lore was a setting, not a story, so I’m also not a fan of the AoS universe being an ongoing storyline.
Having said that, I get that those are my personal tastes. I think most fantasy settings will struggle just given the current popularity of science fiction in general.
@@Vin_Venture896 omg
@@MasterShake9000Pannithor by Mantic seems to be doing well.
GW is overcharging for their plastic crack.
I'd say they are under delivering. I'd buy this set at the current price for the old world if I wanted it.
You can buy a good 3d printer for the price of the box and GW cant erase 1/2 your army anytime they want to make more money. I just got a newer 3d printer its amazing... super fast and very clear detail..
GW needs to learn that prices don’t always go up, in fact we could just choose to play with the index’s until prices drop and not buy their books.
I think at that pricepoint, its a hard sell. They might want to reconsider these 2 faction boxes; make a rules box and then army starter boxes. I want the skaven models, but not those stormcast.
Frankly I’m not surprised at all that it seems to not be doing nearly as well as people thought/hoped. AoS, while still popular is not nearly as popular as 40K and it seems to me that GW thought it would be at least somewhat comparable to 40K because it was the replacement to Fantasy but it wasn’t. When the Indomitus sold out and was incredibly popular they expected Dominion to do a similar thing (not to the same level but they hoped it would sell out but it didn’t). Something with Leviathan and now Skaventide. Now with The Old World released and GW didn’t realize it would be so popular. I love AoS but GW needs to realize that it’s not going to be this powerhouse GW wanted it to be.
Nothing is as popular as 40k. But AoS over 9 years has done nothing but show growth. It's made more money than WHFB. TOW is being undercut by a myriad of alternative miniature options. Being as popular as 40k is not a metric for success, because then everything else GW makes would be a failure.
@@mogwaiman6048old world isn't about being undercut, the price isn't really that important if the minis are good and available. They are not available though.
I buy whatever minis I want, most of the guys I see with new old world armies are building whatever they want, and don't seem too bothered if it's expensive.
@@markysgeeklab8783 most of the game isn't available. People aren't going to wait for core factions to release. They're shopping a myriad of alternative fantasy options instead. All of those alternative options do undercut TOW.
They're pushing Stormcast too hard. In addition, many of their customers aren't new players, all that Spearhead stuff in the box bloats it and pushes up the price. Imagine if it had just been the models, the core book, and the terrain but it's 20 britbux less...
That price is rough. I love Skaven but damn... That's waaaay too much money.
I don't like the cosmic anything-goes seeing of AOS, and I dislike the Stormcast in particular. I really think that if they did a range refresh for Old World Empire the launch box for that would outsell Skaventide.
I’m really just interested in the “paper”. Books, cards and game board/terrain pieces for Spearhead. Stormcasts do nothing for me and I’m not interested in starting another AoS faction with Skaven. If this shows up selling for $125 a year from now, maybe? But even then, probably not.
If I bought one of these I'd happily give away the AOS rules and tokens so I didn't clutter up my rules shelf :)
Tipping point for GW? Pricing model is nuts nowadays, especially now that it's plastic instead lead/pewter...
Me and my bud were going to pitch in to buy a box, buts just too much money
I just can't get excited for AoS 4th E. If I find it at a good enough discount then maybe I'll grab it
I mean not saying it is a bad set. I am biased (army legend), but the models are great. Thing is stores still have a ton of unsold dominion boxes . They got burned on 3ed, they will not do it in 4th ed too. They will try to preorder only as many as they have clients pre pay , and that is it.
Did you train an a.i Rob? Not too shabby
And they coulda made bank of they just made a bit more of the good stuff (kill team nightmare, battle forces, ya know)
The money, the money is where it went wrong. The damn things are far far too expensive.
Warhammer stores are forced revenue goals of 5% MoM, GW just landed a huge deal with Amazon, Amazon has a 15% discount on all model boxes… why would anyone buy at full price (other than supporting your local store).
GW arrogance on their own fans is cringe AF.
"James Workshop" is literal cringe incarnate.
Most of the time I'm so aggravated by this company, when this guy shows up and wants to joke, it fees like, "Now aint the time to laff, its more like the time to hit you in the face."
theres more important things in life, creating that amount of negative energy for a hobby defeats the point of having a hobby. i would either change ur perspective or change your hobby.
@@necaacen theres option three. I dont give them any money. And I dont
@@travisjohnson622 I do, but only when I want the product they are selling.
lol they can't even give away the old dominion box haha
Meanwhile Kings of war increases in strength.
They keep acting like AoS is as large as 40k, even after splitting the fanbase and removing entire armies. SCE arent Space Marines, they dont make up 40% of all sales so dont act like they do
AoS does obviously sell, but it does not evoke the same passion and love as either 40k or Warhammer Fantasy. It just doesn't. With Dominion it was the same: they pushed it incredibly hard, kept telling people that it was very limited, giving free add-ons for ordering. It sat there for months. Rather more tellingly, the limited edition rulebook, which they said was limited to 2000, sat there for weeks and weeks. By contrast, 40k releases are often sold out in minutes. Old World products keep going out of stock. AoS doesn't inspire that kind of love.
I think the primary reason is the cost. But I prefer GW products being readily available as opposed to selling out and hearing people bitch about FOMO.
They might sell more rats if they hadn't made their rules so lackluster in the Old World
Really the only faction I think isn't particularly playable in the old world (if you want a decent shot at winning games).
Could probably be fixed with a few new (old) magic items like doomrokkit, a drop in rat ogre points values and a viable rat dart replacement.
When the box sets cost as much as a decent 3d printer and the desirable ones always out of stock due to artificial scarcity, the buyers will go elsewhere.
I didn't buy it because skaven are a bit lackluster in the old world and the sigmarines are a bit hard to fit into one of the old world factions.
I have bought a couple of AOS battlforces and other aos stuff for the old world tho
Skaventide is the starter box for a game nobody has ever seen or played - the game has been turned upside down, the rules, the models, the point values, nothing is the same as third edition.
Yes, even with Age of Sigmar first edition people knew what to expect: the rules were short and free for all to see. Now, with this? How will it play? Who knows.
People are tired of this constant shell game where you don't know what to buy and what not to buy, when things go from overpowered, to underpowered, to illegal in matched play every few months.
People are tired of this neverending shifting tide: give Age of Sigmar an actual foundation.
Fix the Greenskins.
Fix the Dark Aelves and Malerion.
Fix the Dispossessed.
Fix the Wanderers.
Give Beasts of Chaos those last few months of support you promised.
Actually, from what I’ve seen, it’s pretty much the same game as AoS3. A lot of the warscrolls and faction rules are copy paste from AoS3. The biggest changes, however, are uniformly terrible. Too much emphasis on battle tactics (the worst part of AoS3), free endless spells and incarnates, and removal of battle shock plus too much recursion: these are all bad changes. But mostly it’s the same. So to justify a new edition, they create spearhead, hype the hell out of it, and expect people to NOT compare it the disastrous Combat Patrol? It smells like a money grab, and the rules and indexes are free, so no one is going to buy this box unless they play SCE or Skaven.
Finally! GW is the one with FOMO now. FOMO on that cash =D
so true.
When the price drops to 165-150, ill pick it up. Its just too overpriced for my budget.
Another faction instead of stormcast would have been interesting but it all chalks up to that aos is far less popular than warhammer.
You mean 40k? Everything is less popular than 40k. 🤷♂️
@@mogwaiman6048 Yeah, that why this isnt really surprising that they arent selling out then....if you didnt get that. 😉
@@pellewangman4520 i didn't initially, because you only typed Warhammer.
the box that your game comes in shouldnt sell out, it shoul be available for most of the life of the edition. what do i think about them not selling out? its great, them aiming to sell out boxes is a bad thing and then failing to do it is great for the game and the players. i am happy.
For starters it's quite expensive. However even then if I liked the company I would be willing to buy such large sets , but due to practices like the animation fiasco and warhammer+ , constantly rising prices which fuck over weaker currencies , discontinuing a bunch of lines , constant unpolished and blatant gaming cash grabs , many games being discontinued after being in early access and having paid for them , factions still being forced to use models old enough to drink , a bunch of dog shit and contradictory books , the whole Primaris nonsense and a lot of other stuff , there is just no good will left in me to buy anything from GW. Just get third party models and pirate the games and books.
$70 just for a 288 page core rule book lol.
Yeah book cost is brutal right now. Those core rules are also free.
AoS boxes never sell outm this ain't novel. Seasoned Hams know to wait a minute to get it cheaper (works with all of the AoS FOMO boxes pretty much to date)
Economy isn't amazing and the box is $300, which is a big ask, and most of the Sigmarines are just updatesto models which TONS of sigmarine players have the older version of the sigmarines of the same type.
I look forward to buying it for $100 in like a year.
I dont want to defend GW, so I wont. I do still think the box is a good value if (and only if) you actually want all the models in the box. Like really want them. I think a lot of us fall into the trap of wanting to buy boxes like these when they come out because they are a deal. And this box is clearly less desirable for the deal seekers.
I actually want the Skaven, and am lucky enough to have a friend that wants the stormcast. I picked up the Orruks half of Dominion and I'll now have two spearheads and plenty of excess models to use for things like mordheim and ttrpgs.
I think GW still imagines they will keep drawing in near customers that will only want a starter box with THE MAIN FACTION, and don't realize their best customer would be the existing ones that want new armies. I really hope they learn their lession and give us something like Inquisition vs. Votann or Tau Vs. Emperor's Children. Anything but Space Marines.
Doesn't help people are tired of a new edition every 3 years. Where other games are twice as long or more. GW new editions/codex creep is a big scam that we (well, not so much me for 5 years now) buy into. Time to vote with our dollars.
AoS just ain’t that amazing and going so soon to squat the sigmarines doesn’t give this release very good faith to last long. Who wants to buy stuff that after a couple years could end up tossed away ? This stuff ain’t cheap.
Majority of the SCE range that was discontinued can be proxied as something else. The BOC and Bonesplitterz squatting is worse.
GW is in damage control, after female custodes and a certain White Dwarf, a lot of consumers have left buying directly. It is a bigger picture with the gaming rules too, a lot of hype and disappointment, at having to buy new edition just as people get into the rules. It is more visible as WH40k is more mainstream these days, due to the community and social media. It is no surprise big corporation backers are pushing more garbage at the hobbyist, faster than a Mattel toy style advertising. Problem is, it is a hobby not a fashion doll. I myself have stripped all GW influencers from my RUclips subscriptions, as they have just been censoring/ignoring or even challenging anything real communities fight for, i.e.; corporate white monkeys. I follow the real fans and communities, the ones who pay for their stuff, like me... The hobbyist community consumer, not a human catalogue.
man it's almost like GW just keeps angering their customers and more and more are relizing how cheap 3d printing is instead, or even how other games have cheaper games and/or better rules.
add on how greed ygw is, with the constant pushes of giant overpriced boxes that people dont even useh alf of and then OOPS 3 years later heres a new edition that totally shafts half the stuff you bought before (hey stormcast how you doin right now?)
Pricing people out of the hobby
Rob’s rent must be due early to start coming out with these Nothingburger videos. Note that the same clowns who cried constantly about how limited releases boxes sold out too quickly are now suddenly fuming and raging that limited release boxes haven’t sold out before the pre-order period ends 🤣
True, it's either flop or fomo with these releases. People on the internet just like to bitch about GW.
Put $50-$100k of your life's savings in a store, then start riding the "my literal life depends on people like GW or Wizards of the Coast and thier distributors roller coaster", then come back here and tell us our content sucks. Store owners and consumers are the only hobby heroes, we side with them. This video is no different. it's sad you do not get that. But hey thanks for watching anyways...
Unpopular fact but UK Price-wise given all the super high quality print media in the box it's actually the best value box ever easily, but people (rightly to some extent) don't see that. Also from what i've seen although technically it is an 'index edition' AoS4 seems to be just as complex in terms of tokens etc and ULTRA competitive baked-in with this being the first GW game to completely overhaul the rules-writing language in decades replacing it with Esports/CCG verbiage.
Great models, especially the rats. The whole world of AOS though is simply not compelling; from the lame realm names to boring lore it’s just meh. My opinion I get it, but still just I’ve tried so hard to like it and it just doesn’t work for me.
Starter boxes sell out instantly: lmao GW is a failure, why didn't they make more boxes
Starter boxes don't sell out instantly: lmao GW is a failure, why they can't sell boxes
Don't forget it has space marines in it. Making it a very boring box set.
Since 2015 I bought AoS and now I'm out. The Old World is a better game.
GW destroyed its fanbase. They deserve to go broke for it.
their are 2 more things even tho its not related to AoS the Female Custodes controversy drove away alot of players buying more minitures and second of all the retirement of all the AoS Minis some of which were only 2 years old
You speak in whistles.
I speak the truth, been here for years, before it was cool.
Its funny because Old World nearly sold out completely and they barely support it, it's almost like no one asked for AoS and it is really just a niche high fantasy game.
From what I hear, AOS has apparently sold very well over the years.
TOW has been sold out for months though, that much is true.
However, how much of the AOS sales has resulted in permanent players?
Lots of people will buy what’s hot in the current meta, paint them haphazardly, and then play two or three tournaments before reselling them to buy the newest big thing.
I think WHFB has a better world by far. For one it had 31 years of lore behind it and countless characters to explore through hundreds of books.
The stakes felt more… real for lack of a better term.
When Praag was sieged, it meant the fate of the whole Empire was at stake, in danger of falling to Chaos.
Now there’s millions of Sigmarines willing to die selflessly in the field to “save the realms”
Vs the pig farmers son who was drafted into the local militia and now has to face down a Chaos spawn with ten other men wielding pikes.
He might die, horribly in fact. The only thing keeping him there is the watchful eye of his captain, and the knowledge that if he fails, his family will be enslaved, or worse.
Human drama with real stakes vs supermen facing the endless horde that never seems to get close to winning.
I’ll take TOW any day
Also TOW sold out but we don’t know product pion numbers the formula for AOS seems to be 80% of what 40’ did rather than 50% (9ths set had 120,000 for 40k.) now if old world has similar sales that is great but if they produced less than 10,000 boxes then it’s not that great.
@@colinmack8655 This is also true. I think they 'under produced' because they weren't putting that much faith in TOW.
Produce little, sell high, lose very little on development.
I just hope they get off their behinds and start restocking now that AOS 4 has dropped.
It doesn't have to sellout to be profitable. Nothing GW makes sells as well as 40k does.
@@mogwaiman6048 you are really on damage control mode 🤣 i think ive seen you on a few videos now like warhammer man trying to convince people this isn’t a failed launch.
@@FluteGnome it's not "failed" we don't even have the sales data. These boxes don't have to sell out to be profitable. We keep applying a 40k sales metric to everything. If it sells out the masses cry fomo and if it doesn't they say it's a failure the game must be dead.
Stormcast is boring, they are not truly human. Bring us EMPIRE!!!
Tough sell, plus you hit the nail on the head with splitting the AoS player base. Hopefully GW will start experiencing downward sales ... their prices have gotten ridiculous.
There is also continued fallout for the DEI stance that GW has taken, particularly in the last few months with female custodes gaslighting they engaged in.
Old World failed and they are struggling to sell Old World from what I can see (I've seen boxes of Old World getting knocked down in price because people will NOT buy 30 year old models at ridiculous prices).
As far as I can tell as well, most people aren't bothered about Stormcast.
Lol 😂 sold out day 1, and the big boxes still keep going out of stock. Cope harder.
@@FluteGnome lower quantities. TOW is also being undercut by a myriad of other miniature options.
AOS is just a shitty universe. low-brow, ridiculously camp and overused cliches stacked on top of each other like a human pyramid. Lets see how the 11th edition mega box sells for, I predict a $1000AUD behemoth.
Every warhammer setting has cliches. WHFB was built on being derivative generic fantasy and 40k has a lot of grimderp moments.
First off, I must inform those watching this that some, only some, fans maybe boycotting GW stock in response to GWs decision to GO WOKE, GO BROKE. I feel this must be pointed out for a fuller picture of what is happening with fans & GW. They may want to hide this, but we are still here and WILL make our voice heard!
fans who cared about GW being woke aren't playing babbys first fantasy game (AOS) anyway.
But if you go fasch you loose cash.
pretty simple, two points: two expensive, too woke.
third - AOS is a bad and dull universe
@@JeffSichoedisagree. Not everything has to be on square bases or in power armor. It also doesn't have to sellout to be profitable.
@@mogwaiman6048I am a Kings of War man give me multibased rectangles of awesome
I agree with @falnazor0001 ...... 😁
Isn't it good that the big starter box doesn't immediately sell out in the pre-order period? The box hasn't even hit stores yet, and it would be nice to at least have it around for new players for a decent period, same way Leviathan has been.