And then, weirdly enough, that cutscene was back-ported into the 1.5 cutscene movie version of 358. You can tell because it's actually 1080p & has proper anti-aliasing as opposed to the majority of the rest of them being 720p & not having much anti-aliasing.
@@brandonfigueroa5702 ye u right i knew about this but didn't think it would fit anywhere in this first video. i will definitely add it in the last part also thank you so much!
Thanks for making this video, it's really interesting to see, and I could've sworn the 3rd and 8th new cutscene was already in the original KH2, but maybe that's just from playing KH2FM multiple times lol.
Even though it seems like you won't be returning to this series of videos you made, thank you so much for compiling such a cohesive comparison to the original games vs. the Final Mix versions. Sincerely, thank you! Wish you the best.
*Square Enix: oh no spilled my butter on the work I did OH NO* *Save Dosent work when he reloads it* *Square Enix: les make final mix version of this in like 2 years*
So basicly also, the Final Mix version of Kingdom Hearts II is more "challenging" than the original Kingdom Hearts 2. I never thought that an extended version would ramp-up the difficulty.
47:11 The “Sora” line you’re referring to is in the game, but it doesn’t always play. In the original there are 3 HP gates and the FM has 2. I’ve played this fight extensively and there is a video on my channel where I go fishing for a line I wasn’t convinced was in this game to begin with. I’m not trying to self promo, I’m just stating that as my evidence for it. OG first HP gate: “Sora, are you certain you can trust Riku?” FM first HP gate: *same line* OG second HP gate: “Riku, are sure you’re not Jealous of Sora?” FM second HP gate: it’s supposed to be the same line, but since his health is lower he’ll move into the audio cue for a new attack. The line addressing Riku is still there, but you need to fly around a bit to trigger it. OG third HP gate: audio cue for a new attack. There is a third line, but he won’t say it unless you fly around for a bit. Eventually he will utter: “Sora, Riku, there is falsehood within your hearts. Do you dare deny it?” FM doesn’t have a third HP gate. If you fly around long enough, the third line addressing both Sora and Riku will play. My conclusion is that there were three scripted audio lines in the OG release that were set to play at the three HP gates, but the third one doesn’t play since he’s scripted to do an audio cue for a new attack when you get him down low enough in health and it overrides it. This means the line now has to wait until time has passed to play. Maybe less of a bug and more of an oversight, but that’s just what I have experienced.
I want asking, im playing a normal kingdom hears 2 without final mix..after credits in battle report..why i cant contiune game?? Nothing choice to choose save game or end game...and ideas??
@MadDogSolo It doesn't continue because there's no reason for it to do so because, unlike kh2fm, nothing would unlock, so it would be pretty pointless. In kh2fm, you can continue after the credits because the first time you finish the main story, you unlock more content after the credits and saving your game.
@@orangexlightning kh ReMind:Final Mix for the PlayStation 8 which includes KH 3, KH Melody of Memory, and every Kingdom Hearts movie Pre order now for $200
I really hope there is. Final Mix HD for KH2 was a huge improvement (for me), and even though I like KH3, I hope the final mix solves some of the problems, at least little by little.
I played PS2 final mix on an emulator and I don't remember hearing Xemnas question if Sora trusts Riku I'm gonna play the OG PS2 version on an emulator to see if he does.
Not sure if that’s exactly how the lines are, but the final mix cutscenes on PS2 were mostly unvoiced, the Roxas one was in Japanese and those scenes didn’t get voiced and dubbed until 1.5 & 2.5. Xemnas in 1FM just consisted of recycled clips.
it's an idea i've considered before i'm not just sure how best to play the original JP release of KHFM. there is an english patch, but changes like that may hinder from properly showcasing differences
this is really neat to see. but i just do not like the 60fps. it moves too smoothly and unnatural. the original was more life-like but i'm also curious as to the reasonings behind enemy redesigns and other things that were fine in the original, like the Get Bonuses.
Redesigns: They just decided to do it in all FM-versions, there's nothing more to it. Get Bonusses: Probably to rebalance the game. Though if they really wanted to do that, they should have probably buffed partymembers.
3:02 hold on, i got all three proofs and the gold crown in my critical file and i still dont have the secret cutscene unlocked. edit: im assuming im supposed to kill xemnas and watch the hella long credits again
11:27 in 2.5 on ps4 the hits are strangely slower. on the ps3 it remains as the original 2&2fm. each hit individually canceled very quickly as soon when land a enemy. Making everything snappy and quicker. I play both versions and i noticed rhar when i played I feel that it must be a programming error from osaka team involving imput timing and/or probably the poor adpatation of change from 30 to 60 fps. I like the Ps3 version for keeping this gamefeel intact as it should be.
@@mizzix it does not make sense. if a animation is aesthetic smoother (bcaus60fps) this should look faster. But this isnt just a aesthetic problem, its deeper problem; the ps4 version have kinda a issue involving input windows. which may be due to poorly program adaptation of the input response to 60fps in other words, hits that were canceled earlier, take more frames for that to happen not giving a gamefeel identical to the original. on the other hand some things are very well adapted like Valor form.
@@shadkuroi No, animations made for lower FPS's will look slower in higher framerates even though they're identical. If you want another example of this, look at OoT3D. The animations are extremely accurate to the original game, but due to tye boost to 30fps, everything looks like it moves in slow motion compared to the original.
@@thekawaiikat7739 30fps is skipping frames of animation which can make it look snappier compared to 60fps. PAL versions of the game on PS2 also run at a different frame rate to US releases so this can make things look different too.
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42:36 find it crazy the first time most people outside Japan wouldve seen this cutscene is in the original release of Days.
And then, weirdly enough, that cutscene was back-ported into the 1.5 cutscene movie version of 358. You can tell because it's actually 1080p & has proper anti-aliasing as opposed to the majority of the rest of them being 720p & not having much anti-aliasing.
@@Scsigs They put a KH2FM Cutscene in 358 Days Movie lol
IVE BEEN WAITING FOREVER FOR THIS
Same
Holy crap, you only have 2k views??? Way to go for putting in so much effort!
Normal fans: since when does Roxas have a boss fight
People who freakin imported the PS2 final mix: first time?
The GOAT returns. Once again these videos are truly pieces of art. The hard work you’ve put into this is much appreciated.
Great video man can't wait for the next part!
whoops, published the video before it was done processing
hope u guys enjoyed
I wait for more
The editing and format of your vids are so good! Love KH and hope you come back for the other games
Btw you forgot to include the changes of roxas’ battle quotes as the 2.5 remix version replaced them with Ventus battle quotes
@@brandonfigueroa5702 ye u right i knew about this but didn't think it would fit anywhere in this first video. i will definitely add it in the last part
also thank you so much!
I just subscribed a week ago...and you come out with the exact comparison I’ve been looking for, awesome job can’t wait for all the other parts
Yes. You're back! I may have to see the video in parts, but thats ok
Thanks for making this, i've been wanting to see a comparison like this for a long time. You deserve more views and subscribers.
Funny, the “Sora, are you certain you can trust Riku?” Line is present in the Epic Games PC port of 1.5 + 2.5 ReMIX collection
Thanks for making this video, it's really interesting to see, and I could've sworn the 3rd and 8th new cutscene was already in the original KH2, but maybe that's just from playing KH2FM multiple times lol.
Cant wait for part 2. So underrated..
It’s been like a year. I hope there Is a party 2
Even though it seems like you won't be returning to this series of videos you made, thank you so much for compiling such a cohesive comparison to the original games vs. the Final Mix versions. Sincerely, thank you! Wish you the best.
me reading this while working on part 3
I mean thank you so much for watching and enjoying!
@@mwhos66 What, no way!! Wow thanks for reading my comment--really excited for the next part!
@@mwhos66 OMG YES PLS
Glad you're continuing with this! I hope you finish all the way through.
These videos are so entertaining to watch. They go into great detail and have a lot of effort! Keep at it!
8k views and only 361 subs...
With this amount of work that absolutely stinks man! Hope I can see you rise up a little more
12:50
Getting Dodge Slash vs Counterguard and then getting Ariel Sweep rather than Ariel Dive in the original-oh god that’s so damn cursed.
*Square Enix: oh no spilled my butter on the work I did OH NO*
*Save Dosent work when he reloads it*
*Square Enix: les make final mix version of this in like 2 years*
So basicly also, the Final Mix version of Kingdom Hearts II is more "challenging" than the original Kingdom Hearts 2.
I never thought that an extended version would ramp-up the difficulty.
Hopefully he comes back and gives us part 2
47:11 The “Sora” line you’re referring to is in the game, but it doesn’t always play. In the original there are 3 HP gates and the FM has 2. I’ve played this fight extensively and there is a video on my channel where I go fishing for a line I wasn’t convinced was in this game to begin with. I’m not trying to self promo, I’m just stating that as my evidence for it.
OG first HP gate: “Sora, are you certain you can trust Riku?”
FM first HP gate: *same line*
OG second HP gate: “Riku, are sure you’re not Jealous of Sora?”
FM second HP gate: it’s supposed to be the same line, but since his health is lower he’ll move into the audio cue for a new attack. The line addressing Riku is still there, but you need to fly around a bit to trigger it.
OG third HP gate: audio cue for a new attack. There is a third line, but he won’t say it unless you fly around for a bit. Eventually he will utter: “Sora, Riku, there is falsehood within your hearts. Do you dare deny it?”
FM doesn’t have a third HP gate. If you fly around long enough, the third line addressing both Sora and Riku will play.
My conclusion is that there were three scripted audio lines in the OG release that were set to play at the three HP gates, but the third one doesn’t play since he’s scripted to do an audio cue for a new attack when you get him down low enough in health and it overrides it. This means the line now has to wait until time has passed to play. Maybe less of a bug and more of an oversight, but that’s just what I have experienced.
See I knew I wasn't fucking crazy, I KNEW THE FINAL MIX HAD NEW CUTSCENES and finally I have proof omg
Amazing work, dude
Oh No where ist Part 2? Very nice Video
Now this is epic
When are the remaining parts coming out?
armored xemnas still says "sora do you trust riku?" in KH2FM but the audio is quieter and is easily overwhelmed by the building reaction command audio
I want asking, im playing a normal kingdom hears 2 without final mix..after credits in battle report..why i cant contiune game?? Nothing choice to choose save game or end game...and ideas??
Are you perharps using opl?
@@mizzixThat doesn’t make a difference, it’s just that the original game doesn’t let you do that.
@MadDogSolo It doesn't continue because there's no reason for it to do so because, unlike kh2fm, nothing would unlock, so it would be pretty pointless. In kh2fm, you can continue after the credits because the first time you finish the main story, you unlock more content after the credits and saving your game.
Thanks you for this. I was really curious?
Kingdom hearts is my fav gaming franchise of all time ❤️ what a time to be alive
A few years from now there’ll be a kh 3 final mix
A few years from now there will be an "Advent Children" style movie mashing KH2 with 358/2 Days where Goofy dies
ReMind. What you're thinking of is ReMind.
@@orangexlightning kh ReMind:Final Mix for the PlayStation 8 which includes KH 3, KH Melody of Memory, and every Kingdom Hearts movie
Pre order now for $200
I really hope there is. Final Mix HD for KH2 was a huge improvement (for me), and even though I like KH3, I hope the final mix solves some of the problems, at least little by little.
@@cursedfurby6656 like how small Twilight Town is
Really only thing original has over FM is getting explosion early
Axel watching the comparisson with two screens: *Two!?*
The original game just loved HP and MP increases.
Good work, thanks allot
when's the next part coming?
Same
Hey dude, do the characters model comparison
How are the rest of these videos coming along now?
47:10 the other day i was beating the game again and heard this line on tmmy xbox, so it is in the final mix.
Great video. Someone should narrate this.
cant wait for part 2!... 2 years ago...
YOOOOOOO THEY GOT COMPARISONS?????
Hollow Bastion apparently has both a Heartless room and a Nobody room. Hm. Maybe we should level the castle.
I played PS2 final mix on an emulator and I don't remember hearing Xemnas question if Sora trusts Riku
I'm gonna play the OG PS2 version on an emulator to see if he does.
He does in the Original plus from this video the Original says “Sora are you certain you can trust Riku?”
He also said it on my Xbox one X!
@@destroyermcw626 I know he says that line on PS4 as well.
I've noticed that I never heard the line on the PS2 version when I emulated it.
@@WednesdayMan Surprising
Not sure if that’s exactly how the lines are, but the final mix cutscenes on PS2 were mostly unvoiced, the Roxas one was in Japanese and those scenes didn’t get voiced and dubbed until 1.5 & 2.5. Xemnas in 1FM just consisted of recycled clips.
PART 2 please ! 😢
Im suprised you dont have 1000 subs because you deserve it
can you make a compare bettween KHFM and KH1.5 ?
it's an idea i've considered before
i'm not just sure how best to play the original JP release of KHFM. there is an english patch, but changes like that may hinder from properly showcasing differences
LETS GOOOOOOO
loved it
So, you ever gonna come back?
;)
@@mwhos66 :o
@@mwhos66 would it speed up your return if I paid you
@@castle3267 👀
@@mwhos66 please come back
this is really neat to see. but i just do not like the 60fps. it moves too smoothly and unnatural. the original was more life-like
but i'm also curious as to the reasonings behind enemy redesigns and other things that were fine in the original, like the Get Bonuses.
Redesigns: They just decided to do it in all FM-versions, there's nothing more to it.
Get Bonusses: Probably to rebalance the game. Though if they really wanted to do that, they should have probably buffed partymembers.
3:02 hold on, i got all three proofs and the gold crown in my critical file and i still dont have the secret cutscene unlocked.
edit: im assuming im supposed to kill xemnas and watch the hella long credits again
did you beat the game afterwards?
@@mwhos66 no lol i just realized that thanks
There is Blur in the PS2 version
Motion blur?
Hes playing ff14. IM TRYING TO MAKE HIM COMEBACK GUYS
Part 2 🥺
"NO NEW FAME PLUS"😥✅
11:27 in 2.5 on ps4 the hits are strangely slower. on the ps3 it remains as the original 2&2fm. each hit individually canceled very quickly as soon when land a enemy. Making everything snappy and quicker.
I play both versions and i noticed rhar when i played
I feel that it must be a programming error from osaka team involving imput timing and/or probably the poor adpatation of change from 30 to 60 fps. I like the Ps3 version for keeping this gamefeel intact as it should be.
I don't think it'a actually slower, it just feels like it's slower because of the 60fps making the animations seem smoother
@@mizzix it does not make sense.
if a animation is aesthetic smoother (bcaus60fps) this should look faster.
But this isnt just a aesthetic problem, its deeper problem; the ps4 version have kinda a issue involving input windows. which may be due to poorly program adaptation of the input response to 60fps
in other words, hits that were canceled earlier, take more frames for that to happen not giving a gamefeel identical to the original. on the other hand some things are very well adapted like Valor form.
@@shadkuroi No, animations made for lower FPS's will look slower in higher framerates even though they're identical. If you want another example of this, look at OoT3D. The animations are extremely accurate to the original game, but due to tye boost to 30fps, everything looks like it moves in slow motion compared to the original.
@@thekawaiikat7739 30fps is skipping frames of animation which can make it look snappier compared to 60fps.
PAL versions of the game on PS2 also run at a different frame rate to US releases so this can make things look different too.
Its buena vista games but its ok for me
just get a kh gf dude