But will it be solved on a public platform johann??no it won't coz it's deeper than that,very political..your politicians have their vested interests in Zimbabwe and will always want the status quo because they benefit something at the expense of the people..
Compassion, respect in line with the Doctors Hippocratic Act was totally disregarded by Dr Phophi Ramathuba. That was definitely irresponsible and demeaning behavior by the Health MEC.
It has been said before especially when Motsoaledi was the minister of health and was talking about foreigners all of them in labour wards being the majority of those who are there to have babies, even there it was just talking. I hear people talking about illegals it should be every foreigner, they should prove means to look after themselves once they are here but again we live in a failing State where one politician will shout from one corner no concrete policy or rule to follow, just shouting for appraisal nothing else. Bill these people, and send it their embassy and attach some assets as one person said end of story, will never clap for hot air, I want action.
I think she raised that issue in the right manner, if she takes it to the parliament is going to be addressed on deaf eyes, don't be fooled. True is true.
Put self-hatred aside and think properly, the message could be correct but, it was directed to the wrong person. Statistics shows that they is over 5 million South Africans living and working out of South Africa both illegal and legal, are they not access medical facilities were ever they are?. The problem some few South Africans has a strong hate towards our fellow Africans who are going through some problems in their countries they think their suffering is caused by them, thus why they can't even see what is wrong and right. Doctors must see patients not foreigners like in every country. Everything she said is very correct but to the wrong platform, what is the job of the politicians then? If they can,t do their jobs that we voted them to do they have to step out. We did not vote for foreigners to fix our economy, we voted for them, so why reporting political issues to patients, what do you expect them to do?except to be traumatised. We as people must be human do be just selfish and evil hearted, any country can suffer and need help.
Dr Letlape, she initiated a discussion, if she tiptoed around the issue no one would have listened. Her drastic approach highlighted the reasons our healthcare system is failing, now it is time to act not criticize her. I'm 100% behind. The red tape approach to solving problems is not working.
She raised the matter in the very correct way, now that there's attention of the media the people of Zimbabwe have the opportunity to uprise and fight Zanupf bastards.
People of Zimbabwe will not rise up to fight because of what this hag said..this needs concerted effort..ANChas been endorsing the ZANUPF regime whenever they steal elections and that has to stop,so saying this on a public platform changes nothing...remember Mr Whiskey saying elections were free and fair in Zimbabwe that year?
@@chiyenyumba7135 Do they pay tax or vat?. I doubt you people are educated. Do they get IRP5 from the employer to do tax returns at SARS?....WHICH TAX DO THEY PAY???
@@simphiwemchunu8225 as long yo money is being deducted for tax,U r contributing to national parastatals,and those medication U receive from USAID there is medication for foreigners there that's y they r registered under refugee act,they r entitled to health medication
I believe Dr. Phophi raised this issue in the best way because if she was polite about it, we wouldn't be having discussion. Brutal honesty is necessary sometimes
indee yes bro but even after raising it the way she did, she only caught social media attention, in terms of really solving the problem, zero. after a few days this issue will die dead and Zimbabweans will continue accessing health facilities within the borders of SA as per SA constitution. in any case is this service really free as per impression given by the MEC, i doubt hey.
My dear Charles, if you'd your ethics and moral bearings right you'd be ashamed of yourself. To those with their hearts in the right place, the MEC is like someone who's messed her pants in public. It's deplorable.
@@amangoroMy morals and heart are in the right place, kiddo. I don't practice political correctness. Don't waste your time trying to emotional blackmail me, it will not work
@@charlesscott4722Ok, you've chosen incorrectness, immorality, zero ethics, etc. Well and fine. Please do practise these in your world. No one will emotional blackmail you. But the moment you come on YT you've stepped into my world where morality, ethics, ubuntu and sanity reign. I will certainly rule you offside.
You know what 🤔 whether it was a wrong platform she used to raise this issue or not, I respect what she said. These people do this knowing fully well that here in South Africa you won't be denied treatment even if you are illegally here. Few months down the line a deserving South African citizen is denied adequate emergency treatment because the resources have been exhausted to ILLEGAL immigrants.
The platform was the appropriate one due to illegals abusing the immigration laws, Ubuntu, systems and to the constraints she faces every single day. We are the first ones to crucify her if she fails in her capacity.
These people ........ not that i support what is happening but lets not be blatantly hateful towards each other black people are hated in all corners of the world atleast lets show one another love in the African soil though whats happening is wrong and affecting our people lets try to be sympathetic and merciful towards other black government of Zimbabwe take care of your own south africa cant cater for Zim really
If this issue was raised in the right platform as some people are saying, it would be dead by now. Actually this issue has been raised several times by our people and it doesn't get any attention. It needed to be raised in this way for it to get attention. That is why now people are talking about it.
Chai na which kind tok be this.....what if it were you in pain and yet someone is lecturing like this.....this is nothing to do with emergency care.Africa need to stand as one.
It's very surprising that now the whole world is able to comment about what the MEC said, but all along the whole world even Zimbabwe knew about the situation SA is facing but chose to keep quiet. This is not fair!
It’s unfair! You are right Louw. Enough is enough. Zimbabwe and the rest of the African leaders have to make a better future and life for their people.
They watch and sit on the fringes. While their people are scavenging in other countries. Then will cry foul when people are stressing issues in their own countries. Very unfair.why cant they take care of their own. They have budgets and "better education" as they always brag.
She's making operational statements. She manages the budget which she has to account for. The political causes are not her problem. Go to Ramaphosa. Locals have to queue behind dozens of migrants in their own local health centres. Remember the Thembisa 90% migrant hospital birth levels?
She forms part of the decision making body and it her government failing we the tax payers of securing and managing our country...who should we blame...The mec and her government who upon all the money we pay them fail to protect our sovereignty and manage our health and economic systems or we should allow them to play blame games..We need them to account to us not to play blame games...If they are incompetent and short of ideas of running our country then they must leave the office for EFF to come ..We have youthful Nd intellectuals who are capable of managing our affairs not those who running away from Been responsible and play escapinggoating games
The people of Soweto cannot access Helen Joseph hospital or Johannesburg hospital because they are not allowed to go there as they don't reside in central Johannesburg. They have to use the address of their relatives who live in central Johannesburg or the suburbs to access above hospitals while illegal foreigners go to those hospitals for free is that fair to the people of Soweto South Africa.
May our reporter go watch the video again before implying things that are not even true. Funny how reporters like this one change the whole story and make new implications that are not even there… that’s why the matter perpetuates with no conclusion. Her words: "Dr Phophi confronted the patient who was scheduled for surgery and told her that she’s putting a burden on the county’s health care system", that’s not what happened,, what really happened was the patient was provided with surgery and after the Dr simply explained to the patient why she needed to pay for the services
@@Greenboy5325 This thing just needs common sense.. as a doctor you can't treat a patient like that... Yes she stated facts.. but to who? A patient! You kiddin me
A discussion between both the Govt's is long over due. The MEC was well within her rights to do what she did. She has a budget to manage, she has no capacity to manage influx of illegal or legal migrants. Our Gov't & Zim's Gov't must wake up.
Leave the MEC alone she was doing her job and she was telling the truth I as a South African who live outside the country when I go to hospitals where I am I pay I don’t get help for nothing they want my paycheck or insurance but one way or the other I have to pay so the is the MEC was right
So now people are gonna face disciplinary hearings for speaking the truth on account of ethics! She can't be limited to certain platforms to address the issue. For once we have a MEC who have the best interest of South African people at heart.
Thank u Dr Phophi. Where do these barking noisy people come from. When South Africans are dying, struggling neglected by this useless government, they keep quiet. But 1 individual from neighboring countries happen to experience what South Africans are suffer from every day they make useless noise. We are oppressed by our own government. Sivalwe umlomo
Really true opposition opportunist like Malema need to act as if they are a ruling party whereas they forgot that they corrupted Limpopo under their friend Cassel Nathalie and company.
@@oziousmavengere8025Muri kurasika pakona ipi mumba yeround mukoma? The mad MEC didn't say stuff to Mnangagwa, but to a hapless patient needing compassionate attention.
@@oziousmavengere8025 why cnt she address it to the right person.Mnangagwa than a vulnerable patient..Useless idea..Ofcourse she is right but y to a patient
Hands off Dr Popi hands off This things of foreigners are plenty in our country.if government is not wakeup . this is a wakeup call to you government to draft an immigrant policy
Has this gentleman ever been in need of medical assistance and was turned away from a lack of resources..No...but they asking him to comment on this issue.
The platform was ok to raise the comment because if those in higher office are not doing anything we will raise such concerns on the streets to spread the message to our neighbouring countries. We are paying tax and our public structures are not serving the purpose they've been designed for. It's us who are suffering and and we are honoring our obligations as citizens of the country. If we keep on spoon feeding our neighbours, they will never learn to take care of themselves. If this issue was addressed well by those who are leading us as South Africans this subject would've been avoided. So in my view I see people focussing on Dr P while ignoring the real cause. Let's have a control, law, rules, regulations and stick to them. Dr P she is right and please people must stop terrorising us, we are working very hard for this country and this is one of the issues impacting our progress negatively
If you want to talk to a politician you must USE POWER which is to VOTE them OUT when they are OUT that is when they will realize they were wrong.But as long as they are IN they won't see any wrong.
She did nothing wrong, she is only human she was frustrated & fed up of carrying the load for other governments while they are there relaxing doing nothing
Diplomacy doesn't achieve anything most of the time that's why we're in this mess Dr kgosi, our mothers are brave enough speak without fear nor favor what you dr kgosi and your peers have failed to do..
There was an Abusive manner to the patient, the language was very rich for the patient and Dr is always followed with cameras wherever she goes why? Wrong cannot be corrected with wrong The manner in which the issue was handled. The conduct is wrong
I think Dr Phophi has percever for far too long about this issue that's why she made it public so that everyone can see and understand the pressure our health is facing each day.
My conscious tell me that the manner in which she raised the issue was wrong but facts tell me that the issue have been raised many time in right platforms, as far as Dr Motswaledi' time as minister of health, the problem is that at those platform it seem as they are not prioritise or just brashed aside and identify corruption as the only problem at health facilities
A pass mark is not 100% therefore we cannot expect anyone to agree with Dr Phophi Ramathoba as long as Majority Of SA citizens are happy😊😊 Then we are fine.Those few who disagree with her they are also fine....It their understanding .
Charity begins at home. She is highlighting one of the causes of the health care systems. This is a national crisis that needs to be addressed. The strain is affecting health professionals this needs to vd addressed. Enough is enough
Dr Kgosi you are not thinking thoroughly......The truth had to be said in any way......#The bedside of which Country and who is occupying the bed? Meanwhile our dying siblings are put out there. Buddy the approach was super perfect and no one was abused at all. You have a truth-Forbia I assume so
Old man this conversation would not have been known by everyone in South Africa had Dr Phophi not discussed it openly with the culprit. She is Zimbabwean not South African she should not have been where she was end of and stop talking nonsense
The Zimbabweans are so vocal on things that affecting them in South Africa but mute on things affecting them in Zimbabwe. South Africa doesn't owe Zimbabwe they must utilise their education in building their country and leave us alone.
1) PLATFORM OF ADRESS 2) CEO s must be held accountable for administration and revenue generation of each patient coming into their hospitals. 3) No one is mentioning CORRECT ADMINISTRATION AT FILES IN HOSPITALS. 4) CONSTITUTION WILL NOT CHANGE TOMORROW. BUT CORRECT CATEGORIES EXIST. 5) SAME WAY AS MASSES OF S.A ALSO HAVE NO ID DOCUMENTS - hence Home Affairs must be co accused.
I feel everything happens for a reason.On the other side she did a great job which is going to expose Zimbabwean government.May be Sadc will be heads up.Being a Zimbabwean it's hard to leave your family behind n go search pastures n health.cant judge this MEC
I m judging her 💯..it's unethical to do that especially to a patient regardless of whether it's shona,ndebele,Zulu,Pedi, black ,white , green ,yellow , pink...ITS UNETHICAL..Today it's the Shona woman but tomorrow it wl b your uncle or granny if not your brother or sister
@@enningshove3846 The patient was not denied medical care, but was educated! If it was unethical, you could take first world countries to court, because they can deny you medical assistance if you do not meet certain conditions. You cannot even go into a private healthcare facility in any country and demand to be operated upon without a medical aid or paying a single cent.
No he is not speaking from the position of privileged phophi was on point but her timing was poor that's all put yourself in that woman shoes to belittle is not right..
We the electorate of South Africa should have a referendum, as to whether we have the RIGHT to punish Dr Ramathuba. Punishment should fit a crime and No crime was committed here. All these interviewees talked about the indignity that the Zimbawean woman has suffered, but not one interviewee has spoken about the suffering, the loss and the devastation of the people of Limpopo who have paid in advance with their VAT and their TAXES for the health care that they are entitled to. If a child dies due to lack of healthcare because of parasites sucking the healthcare system dry, and we condone that, We are all responsible and That child might just be your own!
That lady spoke right and as an MEC she did it right she was telling it as it is and we dont want the truth but that what the poeple are faced with.. Why do we want to sugar coat things.. The health system in countries like South africa and Botswana are crumbling because of this issue.. May be the world because they are not helping zimbabwe resolve its problems would help us so we can continue helping them...
We south africans who have to go on a waiting list of over three years for an operation, and here comes a foreigner who comes over the border for an operation.
Im not surprised how the MEC has passed such remarks, that kind of remarks are not foreign to the patients in various hospitals most nurses are rude and scolds patients everyday
How the patient can be accountable without a passport and address Dr P Ramathuna is 150%. right by raising the issue of been misusimg our tax by foreigners
@@kudzimunetsi6508 when I travel anywhere I have to prove that I can pay for any medical care if needed. So it is about the money. Do you work for free?
It is easier for those not using public health facilities to dismiss the truth by the MEC. Our own people that have voted for this government and promised services can, unfortunately not access such due to illegal immigrants. This can not be correct. Locals go on streets, protest and sometimes destroy government facilities ( fully condemning such behaviour) because of lack of services. Illegal immigrants are compounding the problem. I fully accept that people will, for various reasons, leave their countries to South Africa and we must welcome them. However they must come to the country legally so that they are budgeted for
Dr Kgosi.. The job was completed to the patient.She was telling her that she couldn't go home now as she is discharged .She never spoke abt corruption she spoke abt crossing the border without documents. Nobody knows how they crossed the border .Whatever happened it is not fair for us South Africans the waiting period of South Africans to be helped bcse of the list due to the illegal foreigners jumping crocodile river or the fence at our expense we salute her for expose all Zimbabwean Foreigners who are trending telling others from Zim to cross the border and come this side to get free healthcare from South Africa.The cabinet of Zim and SADEC must do something our budget doesn't cater for outsiders.South Africans comes first.Dr Letlape.
You may say so.there are after every Zimbabweans even in public sectors, so whatever topic that involve Zimbabweans ,they go crazy and find something to put a blame on.But koze kube nini maSouth Africa lokhe lizkhipha busy ngabanye abantu ningayifun umsebenzi,deal with the gvnment ,its where all this merce started and now pointing fingers to the wrong people. Truth be told.zims there have no one to back up them that's they are easy targets.ZANU of and anc is one thing.live yr lives guys stop putting politics in yr heads,you won't achieve anything after that.believe it or not.6(10) yes believe me you will be suffering to the last.proceed promoting nonsese
You start with your Zimbabweans living S. A Luxury, including you running away from your country to sponge my country, she work for it and is her choice.
Tshotsho that she said it in this platform. Dr Letlape higher offices are not sorting any of the problems hence DrP is in this predicament. It will be said if she gets penalized, worse by the people that are supposed to take care of these situations. No one wants to take accountability, even their own countries and when one of us talk...now they are talking! Something's gotta give!
Dr letlape can you please be a voluntary medical officer in one of maternity section of Government hospitals we need doctors who are like you. Then you will protect all health care professionals at medical and nursing council for all the medical hazards
Professional reasoning by a human being who feel for others. sure it is not what she said but where it was said and to whom it was addressed and the spirit it was made with and even the way the Doctor presented herself that is of concern.
whether you are a registered practitioner or a politician you have emotions and she has been experiencing this for a long time now so she is also a human being we must understand why she did what she did.
We are talking about Dr Phophi's mistakes here because she is working...others are not committing any mistakes because they are just sitting passively eating the state money..I can also name a few...but they know themselves...
You foreigners, please start supporting your poeple in your country becouse you not brave enough to fight what belong to you as a citizen thats reason you over crowding us here, with mentality of passing going to UK and USA.WE WATCHING YOU!
If she didn’t raise it
It would not get publicity……
I. Agree
Exactly Johann
But will it be solved on a public platform johann??no it won't coz it's deeper than that,very political..your politicians have their vested interests in Zimbabwe and will always want the status quo because they benefit something at the expense of the people..
100% correct
@@enningshove3846 Then it’s time we concentrate on breaking that hold..".
Compassion, respect in line with the Doctors Hippocratic Act was totally disregarded by Dr Phophi Ramathuba. That was definitely irresponsible and demeaning behavior by the Health MEC.
South Africa for South Africans.
We love you Dr Ramathuba ❤️
I respect Dr Phophi if she didn't raise the issue none of these big mouth talking nonsenses would say anything.
Spot on
Exactly 💯👌
Spot on indeed
She is right hands off to our doctor Popi hands off
It has been said before especially when Motsoaledi was the minister of health and was talking about foreigners all of them in labour wards being the majority of those who are there to have babies, even there it was just talking.
I hear people talking about illegals it should be every foreigner, they should prove means to look after themselves once they are here but again we live in a failing State where one politician will shout from one corner no concrete policy or rule to follow, just shouting for appraisal nothing else.
Bill these people, and send it their embassy and attach some assets as one person said end of story, will never clap for hot air, I want action.
I think she raised that issue in the right manner, if she takes it to the parliament is going to be addressed on deaf eyes, don't be fooled. True is true.
In parliament she wouldn't have finished what she intended to raise without being hurled by insults from the supporters of these people
ka nnete tlhe.
our governmvent e utlwa ka letlalo.
Well Done MEC, We love you
@@lindiwesimelane7083 so people in parliament are not South Africans, only those in social media. Besides, who are voting those in parliament?
Put self-hatred aside and think properly, the message could be correct but, it was directed to the wrong person. Statistics shows that they is over 5 million South Africans living and working out of South Africa both illegal and legal, are they not access medical facilities were ever they are?.
The problem some few South Africans has a strong hate towards our fellow Africans who are going through some problems in their countries they think their suffering is caused by them, thus why they can't even see what is wrong and right.
Doctors must see patients not foreigners like in every country.
Everything she said is very correct but to the wrong platform, what is the job of the politicians then? If they can,t do their jobs that we voted them to do they have to step out.
We did not vote for foreigners to fix our economy, we voted for them, so why reporting political issues to patients, what do you expect them to do?except to be traumatised.
We as people must be human do be just selfish and evil hearted, any country can suffer and need help.
Dr Letlape, she initiated a discussion, if she tiptoed around the issue no one would have listened. Her drastic approach highlighted the reasons our healthcare system is failing, now it is time to act not criticize her. I'm 100% behind. The red tape approach to solving problems is not working.
She raised the matter in the very correct way, now that there's attention of the media the people of Zimbabwe have the opportunity to uprise and fight Zanupf bastards.
We are overburdened in SA.
People of Zimbabwe will not rise up to fight because of what this hag said..this needs concerted effort..ANChas been endorsing the ZANUPF regime whenever they steal elections and that has to stop,so saying this on a public platform changes nothing...remember Mr Whiskey saying elections were free and fair in Zimbabwe that year?
@@leigh4326 it's too much now, these people are everywhere not only Zimbabweans but the rest of Africa is here in SA.
@@enningshove3846 AU must step in. Unless they want a shattered continent.
@@leigh4326 true l agree💯
Hands off our MEC
mec is not in europe m0r0ns
Siyabonga mec for telling the truth this old man is talking nonsense
What a shame
@@Greenboy5325 shame for what baba
Fighting Dr Ramathuba is a huge provocation to all South Africans.
This is our tax money South Africans need to deal with this ANC government.
Foreigners are also paying taxes in South Africa
@@chiyenyumba7135 Do they pay tax or vat?. I doubt you people are educated. Do they get IRP5 from the employer to do tax returns at SARS?....WHICH TAX DO THEY PAY???
@@simphiwemchunu8225 yes they pay the same way you do, those that are legally in the country
@@fidliwa And the illegal ones? You are paying for them. Lol
@@simphiwemchunu8225 as long yo money is being deducted for tax,U r contributing to national parastatals,and those medication U receive from USAID there is medication for foreigners there that's y they r registered under refugee act,they r entitled to health medication
I believe Dr. Phophi raised this issue in the best way because if she was polite about it, we wouldn't be having discussion. Brutal honesty is necessary sometimes
indee yes bro but even after raising it the way she did, she only caught social media attention, in terms of really solving the problem, zero. after a few days this issue will die dead and Zimbabweans will continue accessing health facilities within the borders of SA as per SA constitution. in any case is this service really free as per impression given by the MEC, i doubt hey.
My dear Charles, if you'd your ethics and moral bearings right you'd be ashamed of yourself. To those with their hearts in the right place, the MEC is like someone who's messed her pants in public. It's deplorable.
@@amangoroMy morals and heart are in the right place, kiddo. I don't practice political correctness. Don't waste your time trying to emotional blackmail me, it will not work
@@charlesscott4722Ok, you've chosen incorrectness, immorality, zero ethics, etc. Well and fine. Please do practise these in your world. No one will emotional blackmail you. But the moment you come on YT you've stepped into my world where morality, ethics, ubuntu and sanity reign. I will certainly rule you offside.
You know what 🤔 whether it was a wrong platform she used to raise this issue or not, I respect what she said. These people do this knowing fully well that here in South Africa you won't be denied treatment even if you are illegally here. Few months down the line a deserving South African citizen is denied adequate emergency treatment because the resources have been exhausted to ILLEGAL immigrants.
there is no difference between a South African and a Zimbabwean. No one deserves free health care.
The platform was the appropriate one due to illegals abusing the immigration laws, Ubuntu, systems and to the constraints she faces every single day. We are the first ones to crucify her if she fails in her capacity.
These people ........ not that i support what is happening but lets not be blatantly hateful towards each other black people are hated in all corners of the world atleast lets show one another love in the African soil though whats happening is wrong and affecting our people lets try to be sympathetic and merciful towards other black government of Zimbabwe take care of your own south africa cant cater for Zim really
she a strong woman who doesn't shy away from the truth..
Dr Kgosi Letlape. We stand with Dr Phopi.
Man she was 100% write. Zimbabwe people must go to there country and look for there Drs period. If they want Come here then pay. Cash. In rands
Right
Three provinces of Zimbabwe have people of South African origin and noone has a problem with that since we are all Africans
If this issue was raised in the right platform as some people are saying, it would be dead by now. Actually this issue has been raised several times by our people and it doesn't get any attention. It needed to be raised in this way for it to get attention. That is why now people are talking about it.
Two wrongs don't make a right my dear.
Chai na which kind tok be this.....what if it were you in pain and yet someone is lecturing like this.....this is nothing to do with emergency care.Africa need to stand as one.
@@amangoro MEC is not wrong my brother. The truth must be told
@@dineodipela1484Come on bro! Don't you know that telling the truth the wrong way makes it wrong?
@@dineodipela1484 the MEC is right about raising the issue but it's supposed to be raised at a governmental level
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It's very surprising that now the whole world is able to comment about what the MEC said, but all along the whole world even Zimbabwe knew about the situation SA is facing but chose to keep quiet. This is not fair!
It’s unfair! You are right Louw. Enough is enough. Zimbabwe and the rest of the African leaders have to make a better future and life for their people.
They watch and sit on the fringes. While their people are scavenging in other countries. Then will cry foul when people are stressing issues in their own countries. Very unfair.why cant they take care of their own. They have budgets and "better education" as they always brag.
@@nonqabapeter7324 it’s funny we’ve all been told about their better education. Now our people can’t even access it cause it’s packed here.
ZANUPF told SA delegation they have no problems in their country.
But commentary won't necessarily change the status quo..it needs to be pursued at a higher political level ..but Not infront of the patient haibo
She's making operational statements. She manages the budget which she has to account for. The political causes are not her problem. Go to Ramaphosa. Locals have to queue behind dozens of migrants in their own local health centres. Remember the Thembisa 90% migrant hospital birth levels?
Why don't you force them to the back of the queue
She forms part of the decision making body and it her government failing we the tax payers of securing and managing our country...who should we blame...The mec and her government who upon all the money we pay them fail to protect our sovereignty and manage our health and economic systems or we should allow them to play blame games..We need them to account to us not to play blame games...If they are incompetent and short of ideas of running our country then they must leave the office for EFF to come ..We have youthful Nd intellectuals who are capable of managing our affairs not those who running away from Been responsible and play escapinggoating games
The people of Soweto cannot access Helen Joseph hospital or Johannesburg hospital because they are not allowed to go there as they don't reside in central Johannesburg. They have to use the address of their relatives who live in central Johannesburg or the suburbs to access above hospitals while illegal foreigners go to those hospitals for free is that fair to the people of Soweto South Africa.
We really need leadership like Dr Ramathuba in our country who cn stan n fight for truth n justice in our country
With such recklessness and unprofessionalism you'll in the gutter in no time. That's not leadership, but madness.
May our reporter go watch the video again before implying things that are not even true. Funny how reporters like this one change the whole story and make new implications that are not even there… that’s why the matter perpetuates with no conclusion. Her words: "Dr Phophi confronted the patient who was scheduled for surgery and told her that she’s putting a burden on the county’s health care system", that’s not what happened,, what really happened was the patient was provided with surgery and after the Dr simply explained to the patient why she needed to pay for the services
This man makes a valid point, he is a man of reason!!!
Thanks to have doctors like Dr Ramathuba,may Almighty be with her during this incident🙏📖
It looked cruel but that's how you get heard
Viva phuphi ramathuba viva ur 100% right
Come court ,justice will clear up yr eyes and get well focused
@@Greenboy5325 This thing just needs common sense.. as a doctor you can't treat a patient like that...
Yes she stated facts.. but to who? A patient! You kiddin me
Medical health in northern Cape also in a lot of stress because farmers importing people
Black or white we love our beautiful country it's time we unite and solve this common problem
Oh yes Elsa 👏🏽With you Elsa! Let’s build together. We can’t keep fighting. We must as citizens make a better life for your fellow citizen
A discussion between both the Govt's is long over due. The MEC was well within her rights to do what she did. She has a budget to manage, she has no capacity to manage influx of illegal or legal migrants. Our Gov't & Zim's Gov't must wake up.
Thumbs up soobs you are right on track viva ramathuba viva
Nope, the MEC was totally offside. In a normal country she would have been fired for such unprofessional theatrics.
Leave the MEC alone she was doing her job and she was telling the truth I as a South African who live outside the country when I go to hospitals where I am I pay I don’t get help for nothing they want my paycheck or insurance but one way or the other I have to pay so the is the MEC was right
Action must be taken with Zimbabwean government not against Dr.Popi....she didnt deny anyone of serrvices
So now people are gonna face disciplinary hearings for speaking the truth on account of ethics! She can't be limited to certain platforms to address the issue. For once we have a MEC who have the best interest of South African people at heart.
This old man is in a comfort zone .. and my feelng he is also doing corruption.. some somehow he is benefiting
🤣🤣🤣😂😂🙄
Obvious as you see her face look like R20 attacking a man who man up for his country for him wearing a skirt
According to yr thinking, it may seem like corruption, but ma wakhulela okunabazali lomthetho you will correct yr sense and see what went wrong there.
Agreed.
Those who agree with him majority not SA citizens:And this tell you something @#$%%&......
Thank u Dr Phophi. Where do these barking noisy people come from. When South Africans are dying, struggling neglected by this useless government, they keep quiet. But 1 individual from neighboring countries happen to experience what South Africans are suffer from every day they make useless noise. We are oppressed by our own government. Sivalwe umlomo
Well said👍
Dr Letlape, my crush ever since I was in high school.
But this time I'm with the MEC.
Hands off our MEC.
Really true opposition opportunist like Malema need to act as if they are a ruling party whereas they forgot that they corrupted Limpopo under their friend Cassel Nathalie and company.
I'm a Zimbabwean but I applaud what Dr Phopi did she is the only Anc member who has told our Zimbabwean corrupt government the truth,
@@oziousmavengere8025Muri kurasika pakona ipi mumba yeround mukoma? The mad MEC didn't say stuff to Mnangagwa, but to a hapless patient needing compassionate attention.
@@oziousmavengere8025 why cnt she address it to the right person.Mnangagwa than a vulnerable patient..Useless idea..Ofcourse she is right but y to a patient
You raise issues with compassion they get ignored.
Viva MEC 🥰🥰🥰 hands of the MEC we salute her
Hands off Dr Popi hands off
This things of foreigners are plenty in our country.if government is not wakeup . this is a wakeup call to you government to draft an immigrant policy
Dr Motsoaledi is not harsh. He's doing what he's supposed to do.
True 👍 it's wrong whst that minister did
The message is addressed to Munagwanga and SA President to address. The MEC is fed-up. Addressing political issues.
Thank you she should respect patients for sure
Has this gentleman ever been in need of medical assistance and was turned away from a lack of resources..No...but they asking him to comment on this issue.
He's right
Yes Dr. Thank you, you spoke with Wisdom
The platform was ok to raise the comment because if those in higher office are not doing anything we will raise such concerns on the streets to spread the message to our neighbouring countries. We are paying tax and our public structures are not serving the purpose they've been designed for. It's us who are suffering and and we are honoring our obligations as citizens of the country. If we keep on spoon feeding our neighbours, they will never learn to take care of themselves. If this issue was addressed well by those who are leading us as South Africans this subject would've been avoided. So in my view I see people focussing on Dr P while ignoring the real cause. Let's have a control, law, rules, regulations and stick to them. Dr P she is right and please people must stop terrorising us, we are working very hard for this country and this is one of the issues impacting our progress negatively
No punishment must be Involved.
Politicians don't listen..Their silence has been deafening
If you want to talk to a politician you must USE POWER which is to VOTE them OUT when they are OUT that is when they will realize they were wrong.But as long as they are IN they won't see any wrong.
Dr Pophy Ramathuba your so brave we need people like you to govern South Africa indeed
Punishment or corrective action!
Disciplinary action, suspension and then expulsion facing my dear sister
Let them fire her , SA citizens will fire them in 2024 , u will see
She did nothing wrong, she is only human she was frustrated & fed up of carrying the load for other governments while they are there relaxing doing nothing
She said it like it is. Every one else must just sit down.
Diplomacy doesn't achieve anything most of the time that's why we're in this mess Dr kgosi, our mothers are brave enough speak without fear nor favor what you dr kgosi and your peers have failed to do..
There was an Abusive manner to the patient, the language was very rich for the patient and Dr is always followed with cameras wherever she goes why?
Wrong cannot be corrected with wrong
The manner in which the issue was handled. The conduct is wrong
And the people laughing in the background big adult's yoh
I think Dr Phophi has percever for far too long about this issue that's why she made it public so that everyone can see and understand the pressure our health is facing each day.
Yes. People have been complaining about this issue for a long time
My conscious tell me that the manner in which she raised the issue was wrong but facts tell me that the issue have been raised many time in right platforms, as far as Dr Motswaledi' time as minister of health, the problem is that at those platform it seem as they are not prioritise or just brashed aside and identify corruption as the only problem at health facilities
A pass mark is not 100% therefore we cannot expect anyone to agree with Dr Phophi Ramathoba as long as Majority Of SA citizens are happy😊😊 Then we are fine.Those few who disagree with her they are also fine....It their understanding .
Charity begins at home. She is highlighting one of the causes of the health care systems.
This is a national crisis that needs to be addressed. The strain is affecting health professionals this needs to vd addressed. Enough is enough
Dr Kgosi you are not thinking thoroughly......The truth had to be said in any way......#The bedside of which Country and who is occupying the bed? Meanwhile our dying siblings are put out there. Buddy the approach was super perfect and no one was abused at all. You have a truth-Forbia I assume so
Limpopo people this is South Africans money, get all those foreigners out of our hospitals
Action should be taken ..Exactly
Old man this conversation would not have been known by everyone in South Africa had Dr Phophi not discussed it openly with the culprit. She is Zimbabwean not South African she should not have been where she was end of and stop talking nonsense
MEC is 100% correct Zimbabweans in particular we are fed up, they must go back home those ones
Hate rate speaking.
The government let them in.
Hands off my MEC
I will live and die for my MEC
Picture South Africa in 15 years to come and 15 years before?
MEC wa Rena mono Limpopo hands off ke nnete Morena Malepe
Great words Dr
The Zimbabweans are so vocal on things that affecting them in South Africa but mute on things affecting them in Zimbabwe. South Africa doesn't owe Zimbabwe they must utilise their education in building their country and leave us alone.
Indeed you are a DR
First person l heard who answer questions rather than avoid them by saying something totally different.
Mr Kgosi Letlape 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Dr Letlape, please read the constitution of Zimbabwe first before you can say what you don't know.
1) PLATFORM OF ADRESS
2) CEO s must be held accountable for administration and revenue generation of each patient coming into their hospitals.
3) No one is mentioning CORRECT ADMINISTRATION AT FILES IN HOSPITALS.
4) CONSTITUTION WILL NOT CHANGE TOMORROW. BUT CORRECT CATEGORIES EXIST.
5) SAME WAY AS MASSES OF S.A ALSO HAVE NO ID DOCUMENTS - hence Home Affairs must be co accused.
Kgosi people are tired of bring politically correct he was not rude we support her
28yrs later they want us to act politically correct
I feel everything happens for a reason.On the other side she did a great job which is going to expose Zimbabwean government.May be Sadc will be heads up.Being a Zimbabwean it's hard to leave your family behind n go search pastures n health.cant judge this MEC
I m judging her 💯..it's unethical to do that especially to a patient regardless of whether it's shona,ndebele,Zulu,Pedi, black ,white , green ,yellow , pink...ITS UNETHICAL..Today it's the Shona woman but tomorrow it wl b your uncle or granny if not your brother or sister
I am Shona too I feel the heat too
@@enningshove3846
The patient was not denied medical care, but was educated! If it was unethical, you could take first world countries to court, because they can deny you medical assistance if you do not meet certain conditions. You cannot even go into a private healthcare facility in any country and demand to be operated upon without a medical aid or paying a single cent.
Doc, you are speaking from a position of privilege.
We lose our loved ones because of issues of this nature
I had a thoracotomy at Bara(1995),surgery at King Edward 8th hospital (1988).
No he is not speaking from the position of privileged phophi was on point but her timing was poor that's all put yourself in that woman shoes to belittle is not right..
We the electorate of South Africa should have a referendum, as to whether we have the
RIGHT to punish Dr Ramathuba. Punishment should fit a crime and No crime was committed here. All these interviewees talked about the indignity that the Zimbawean woman has suffered, but not one interviewee has spoken about the suffering, the loss and the devastation of the people of Limpopo who have paid in advance with their VAT and their TAXES for the health care that they are entitled to. If a child dies due to lack of healthcare because of parasites sucking the healthcare system dry, and we condone that, We are all responsible and That child might just be your own!
Democracy gone too far!!!
The MEC raised the issues at the right place at the right time...
Don't support a fool and dont be a fool as well
That lady spoke right and as an MEC she did it right she was telling it as it is and we dont want the truth but that what the poeple are faced with..
Why do we want to sugar coat things..
The health system in countries like South africa and Botswana are crumbling because of this issue..
May be the world because they are not helping zimbabwe resolve its problems would help us so we can continue helping them...
People in power are cowards they don't wanna deal with issues. I stand by Dr Phopi
We south africans who have to go on a waiting list of over three years for an operation, and here comes a foreigner who comes over the border for an operation.
The MEC did the right thing, if you notice it rich people who don't like what she said because they are not affected
White hair comes with wisdom you spoke like a leader .
The media should start asking us...who are affected by all this....not the professional snobs who are dressed in Professional Clothing.....
Im not surprised how the MEC has passed such remarks, that kind of remarks are not foreign to the patients in various hospitals most nurses are rude and scolds patients everyday
Citizens have been talking about this 🙄 for a long time 🙄 however you guys don't listen. Its only now people are making noise about what the MEC said.
Woza 2024 , bazoya e Zim nabo
How the patient can be accountable without a passport and address Dr P Ramathuna is 150%. right by raising the issue of been misusimg our tax by foreigners
It's not about passport but it's about the health of the patient
Pay first then get treatment.
@@shanaazabrahams1319 it's not about money it's about the health of the patient.
@@kudzimunetsi6508 when I travel anywhere I have to prove that I can pay for any medical care if needed. So it is about the money. Do you work for free?
@@shanaazabrahams1319 how then did she end up in that hospital with out paying?
That doctor must talk with Respect
It is easier for those not using public health facilities to dismiss the truth by the MEC. Our own people that have voted for this government and promised services can, unfortunately not access such due to illegal immigrants. This can not be correct. Locals go on streets, protest and sometimes destroy government facilities ( fully condemning such behaviour) because of lack of services. Illegal immigrants are compounding the problem.
I fully accept that people will, for various reasons, leave their countries to South Africa and we must welcome them. However they must come to the country legally so that they are budgeted for
Dr Kgosi..
The job was completed to the patient.She was telling her that she couldn't go home now as she is discharged .She never spoke abt corruption she spoke abt crossing the border without documents. Nobody knows how they crossed the border .Whatever happened it is not fair for us South Africans the waiting period of South Africans to be helped bcse of the list due to the illegal foreigners jumping crocodile river or the fence at our expense we salute her for expose all Zimbabwean Foreigners who are trending telling others from Zim to cross the border and come this side to get free healthcare from South Africa.The cabinet of Zim and SADEC must do something our budget doesn't cater for outsiders.South Africans comes first.Dr Letlape.
The the MEC was correct noma bangathini.
Yes that was bit unprofessional, but whatever is going on in SA ,out of frustration she just burst
You may say so.there are after every Zimbabweans even in public sectors, so whatever topic that involve Zimbabweans ,they go crazy and find something to put a blame on.But koze kube nini maSouth Africa lokhe lizkhipha busy ngabanye abantu ningayifun umsebenzi,deal with the gvnment ,its where all this merce started and now pointing fingers to the wrong people. Truth be told.zims there have no one to back up them that's they are easy targets.ZANU of and anc is one thing.live yr lives guys stop putting politics in yr heads,you won't achieve anything after that.believe it or not.6(10) yes believe me you will be suffering to the last.proceed promoting nonsese
Heyi wena watch your tongue, sizikhipha busy ngabaphi abantu cos it's you Zimbabweans who are overcrowding us. Nifuna sithini?
Well spoken, a matured speach
Watch then ignore the points she raised and gun for her to be removed so that they out someone who isn't vocal about such issues 😏😒
Ramathuba for the NEXT President of South Africa. The only woman who walks the talk.
There is nothing controversial let them go, those who have mines and other businesses in other countries, should go with them.
In Nigeria no money no service
If the Mec really loves her Limpopo patients, let her sell her luxury cars and help the poor patients of Limpopo.
You start with your Zimbabweans living S. A Luxury, including you running away from your country to sponge my country, she work for it and is her choice.
Let Zimbabweans solve their own problems.
Tshotsho that she said it in this platform. Dr Letlape higher offices are not sorting any of the problems hence DrP is in this predicament. It will be said if she gets penalized, worse by the people that are supposed to take care of these situations. No one wants to take accountability, even their own countries and when one of us talk...now they are talking! Something's gotta give!
She raised the issue correctly
Dr letlape can you please be a voluntary medical officer in one of maternity section of Government hospitals we need doctors who are like you. Then you will protect all health care professionals at medical and nursing council for all the medical hazards
Professional reasoning by a human being who feel for others. sure it is not what she said but where it was said and to whom it was addressed and the spirit it was made with and even the way the Doctor presented herself that is of concern.
whether you are a registered practitioner or a politician you have emotions and she has been experiencing this for a long time now so she is also a human being we must understand why she did what she did.
We are talking about Dr Phophi's mistakes here because she is working...others are not committing any mistakes because they are just sitting passively eating the state money..I can also name a few...but they know themselves...
You foreigners, please start supporting your poeple in your country becouse you not brave enough to fight what belong to you as a citizen thats reason you over crowding us here, with mentality of passing going to UK and USA.WE WATCHING YOU!
You spot on chief place and time are of importance i feel she had facts but not to sick person face...
South Africa has become a city of Zimbabwe! Dankie to Dr Phophi for putting South Africans first 👌🏿
Hands off our MEC. All they know is to seat in their offices or parliament and speak english. Thumps up to MEC!
#HOP-Handsoffphophi