Bringing out ? Racist whites already acting on their hate... you just haven't been paying attention As a white guy I was appalled to learn that black babies have 3x mortality rate with white doctors vs black doctors. The same discrepancy does not occur with black doctors .. Google it. .. someone will say I'm pushing hate for telling the truth !!!!
Oh ffs she enabled her team to be classless and disrespectful and they got called out for it. Maybe hop off the victim parade for 30 seconds and learn how to take accountability for your own behavior. Nobody is talking about any other teams as “good vs evil”, and that’s not a coincidence, and it’s certainly not racism or sexism.
@@Rushking20nah fr Iowa and Louisiana, and I’m from Mississippi and have felt that lsu and Iowa last year had more to do with white vs black then actually basketball, and both teams are great and loving
Milk and Cookies vs Hot Sauce... not only was it sexist, it was straight up racist. guess they just let anyone become a writer nowadays. Big up Hailey Van Lith for being real about the article. Mulkey, even though she called it out, didn't blast the racist portion of it.
I agree with Shannon - Kim Mulkey has her problems, but this was uncalled for. And never, ever, ever say that kind of nasty stuff about the athletes. (And I'm an Iowa fan).
That's the thing that's so crazy. You can dislike a team without being sexist and racist, but apparently that was too much to ask for for the dude who wrote this initial column. Sheesh.
I am genuinely curious, what problems does Kim Mulkey have? I think Shannon only said he was not a fan of hers. From my personal perspective the only thing people do not like about her is her lack of filter. I don't see that as a problem but her personality, which is OK for anyone to dislike or not be a fan of. Thanks, and good luck tonight!
Yeah the problem with that is to win a slander lawsuit you need to prove what was said was wrong. All the LA Times would need to do is show a highlight reel of LSU players taunting their opponents and the judge would throw the case out.
Mulkey is trash and recruits players of the same mentality. Mulkey is one of the most disgusting people, as a person, to ever coach. Anybody that plays for her now knowing her history, it says a lot about them & nothing good. She is pure scum.
All of this because the "white team" lost to the "black team" in last year's championship game. This just goes to show just how far we have not come in regards to racism.
This had zero to do with them being women and 100 percent with majority of the players being black. The LA Times said “Let’s give them some of that Jim Crow,” racism
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS SURPRISING?!? SOME WHITES really think we are below them. They chained us and fought laws that were attempted to be put in place to even the playing field!! UNTIL THEIR MINDS/VIEWS OF US CHANGE, it is what it is!! SIDEBAR: HOW MANY CENTURIES HAS IT BEEN?!?
It was racist at worst and the paper was ready for whatever back lash was to come. They wanted the publicity and was ready to fight the supposed anti-woke agenda.
What game did you watch? Don't you know a black girl when you see one? Betts is biracial. Rice is biracial. The shooting guard is black. UCLA 3, LSU 4 starting lineup. UCLA has a Hispanic guard, Jaquez.
@@s.k.o.e.2191Ben Bolch beat writer for ucla. As an alumn and huge supporter of our basketball program I’m disgusted and appalled. Let’s get this clown fired. I can take over the column 💯✍🏽
@user-jh5wv3oo1l sure, but letting it pass by your desk is not the same level of awful as spending your time writing it up. What's going on in that creeps mind?
Unfortunately, anyone w/sense saw this brewing last yr after LSU’s title. Vilifying LSU, Angel Reese & co & glorying Clarke. Both ladies are competitors & it should be left at that smh 💯
LSU players definitely played up the antics to earn that villain label. It happens all the time in college basketball, strong team with players leaning into the antics gets hate. The most well known are usually the white guy on Duke teams, Christian Laettner, JJ Redick, Grayson Allen, etc. Those guys played it up and were the villains.
@@limitedbom2206 They adopted that stance only after it was clear that the main focus was NOT on them & all predicated upon the lower seed in Iowa & Caitlyn Clark. Don’t blame them for feeling disrespected if or when their team was better all season long w/less media coverage. Merely pointing out the media creates all of this-Case & Point. Media is/was out of line for this article here
@@limitedbom2206 They played up to it no more than Clark herself did. Clark's antics are numerous and recorded for anybody to see. That said, Clark herself was never the problem. She's a great player and competitor and she never had a problem w/ LSU, as she herself said. Her fans are another story...
@@keenannorris3309 I agree, Caitlin did the same thing. I think people let her slide because she was a major underdog going up against a powerhouse team. I don't remember an underdog showboating getting hate in the past so it doesn't surprise me. At least, that's my guess.
@@ShadomanG It's not surprising though, all the media attention went to the girl carrying her teams offense game after game. Then that iowa team ran into a brick wall in LSU. But that definitely pushed that label more in my opinion. When the clearly superior team smacks the underdog down and then starts antagonizing them/the fans, it is a one way ticket to villain status. But I'm definitely fine with LSU talking their stuff. By all means, if you're feeling disrespected, you should go out and speak on it. You know how good you are, go dominate.
I have huge respect for LSU, but it feels to me that both Mulkey & Angel Reese have become targets since they won last year. Over 400 likes. Thank you. GO HAWKS!!!
Angel Reese threatened the first lady last year, was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team this past fall, and taunted the UCLA bench in her last game. Apparently, she hasn't learned her lesson. The refs need to keep an eye on her aggressive behavior and call the Iowa game correctly.
They have been targets and it’s a shame! She’s a great coach and will go to all lengths to protect her girls! Y’all are all wrong about Angel Reese! She’s a great leader of this team! STOP IT! The only difference between CC and AR is color! STOP IT!
Respect Angel Reese after she taunted Caitlyn Clark who basically played them 1v5? That was my first time being introduced to her so she’s never had my respect
😞Are we really to believe they didn’t know that when they said it? 🙄 They play so dumb when called out. Imagine running everything and also saying “we didn’t know.” Words are your literal business. 👌
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@@richard_M7116Mulkey is trash and recruits players of the same mentality. Mulkey is one of the most disgusting people, as a person, to ever coach. Anybody that plays for her now knowing her history, it says a lot about them & nothing good. She is pure scum.
Stephen a smith give me uncle tom vibes said if usa today said this dont see structure these demon monsters white men la times put this out how lsu be villian they won national championship 😂😂😂Guy said White people create stuff in there on perspective look all around world study history white men killed everybody destroyed cultures created perspective how want world see them as Good😂😂😂reality they Devil😂
The nerve of putting out that article shows how callous, ignorant and loose these individuals in particular positions think of people of color. That shouldn’t have been cleared to begin with so someone in management is definitely a fool for all seasons. Why can’t it be two good teams going against each other rather than good vs evil? We all need to unite and stand strong against oppression, racism and bigotry in this country.
I agree the articles choice of wording was horrible, but the good vs evil thing isn't racist. That's happened all the time in the past for college basketball. Past duke teams with Christian Laettner, JJ Redick, Grayson Allen, the fab 5 Michigan team, that gross dude with the long hair on Gonzaga in the 2000s, these were all college basketball "Villains". It's usually the overall best team that plays into the antics to antagonize other teams/crowds gets the villain label. It's nothing new, people usually root against the powerhouse teams.
Debutante has never once in the history of mankind been a racial insult. Using racism as an excuse for acting with no dignity is literally the opposite of Martin Luther King Jr’s dream. He wanted his children to be judged by the content of their character but people like you want to use the color of their skin as a defense to have no character.
@@limitedbom2206 Thanks for ignoring the CONTEXT...you can't have clearly racist statements, along with good vs evil, in the same article, and claim its not connected
It’s crazy cuz UCLA has black women on there team from Compton south central and Inglewood so the article is just weird cuz both 80% of all the girls are blk on both teams
@@Grant112988 ya but the name convicts vs Catholics wasn’t incorrect Miami literally had a bunch of dudes that had been in jail playing against notre dame (catholic school)
I knew what a dirty debutante was before her press conference. To call a team of 18-21 year olds. A derogatory term such as that is extremely disgusting and unacceptable.
You might not think it’s that serious but considering how much hatred and negativity LSU has received since winning that championship last year (Angel Reese even received vile death threats) it actually is serious. Remember, yes it’s sports but these girls are actually human beings. They’re human beings who are just trying to enjoy their lives, and be good at what they do.
The aritcle obvs wasn't serious. It was an article written by a homer from LA writing about the UCLA team. The only legit thing is the "dirty debutantes" line was in poor taste (given what comes up when you search it). These guys on "First Take" say worse about male pro athletes all the time because sports commentary is over the top, tongue in cheek lol
@@rickpersaud7016so just because no one mentioned racism means that there wasn’t racist remarks said to the bad boys? Tell me you are white without saying you are white.
Irresponsible by the editor. How they even allowed this to print is gross. Reminds me of Don Imus calling the Rutgers women’s team what he did. How did we grow up learning about libel and slander for it to not ever come into effect.
1) It's not defamatory. Do people believe the LSU girls are literally "evil" and literally "dirty debutantes" because of the article this guy wrote? (and thus they are going to suffer actual damages because of it; people won't hire them, they'll get disqualified, they'll suffer so much emotionally they won't be able to step onto the court because they know people believe that they are literally "evil" and "dirty debutantes" because of what this dude wrote) lol Besides in the US you have the First Amendment which protects a lot of speech and this was clearly a free comment opinion column by a writer (i.e. his not reporting facts, he's giving his opinion on a sporting event). 2) This dude is a homer writer (LA Times) writing for the home team (UCLA). If it was (like Don Imus) a neutral party writing for the Denver Post (or as SAS rightfully says, USA Today) than there's more of a case that there was ill intent. The "good versus evil" was clearly hyperbolic, over the top, tongue and cheek. The ONLY real issue here is the "dirty debutante" line (given what comes up on the Google Search). That crossed a line and should've never been used.
Once again reporters ignore the fact that coach Mulkey did respond to the Griner drug arrest in Russia. She told a reporter she wished her well and hoped she returned safely. She said that was the only time she would respond to that subject. Coach Mulkey didn't owe Griner anything. Griner said some things about Coach Mulkey that were not true. Also, Griner's family new what Baylor was when she enrolled. She then wants to come out and throw it in their face. She should have gone to a California school or Texas A&M.
It’s sick how the media turned this thing to white vs black. Good vs evil. Right vs wrong…smh this is hoops. Real men love this competitive spirit. We’ve never seen this in women’s sports and plus they can actually hoop now. It’s sick.
@@bennyhill1900 we talk junk in sports all the time. What’s wrong with it, the fact girls doing it now. Womens hoops is boring without it. They need that extra umph
@@ErikDayne if a man chooses to be humble, that’s on him. If a man chooses to talk then that’s on him. Some people channel that competitiveness and some people let that energy out. Either way it’s still a man, but real men love it either way
It also should've been mentioned in this discussion that the UCLA coach shared the article with others ... basically condoning the article. And to me, the article is more racist than it is sexist. The racism was spoken in dog whistles, such as "milk" vs "hot sauce" and "sweethearts" vs "dirty".
The UCLA coach has already apologized for retweeting that article saying she didn’t even read it until after retweeting it. Once she read it, she deleted the tweet.
@@gothard5 If you believe she retweeting an article about her team without reading it then I have a solid gold diamond studded bridge to the moon that I will sell you at a good price.
She never treated any of her players wrong ! She’s a Christian that worked for a Christian university at the time ! She wasn’t going to celebrate her gayness and was actually looking out for her players by telling them not to flaunt their gayness because it’s against university rules!
By no means am I a Mulkey fan, she's absolutely correct it's one thing to criticize her coaching style. But to call these 18-21 year old kids dirty debutantes is an absolute disgrace
@@Bea-Dubya watch the game tonite. See how Iowa handles it when they beat lsu. Then watch how lsu handled it when they beat Iowa last year. ..maybe it’s just angel Reese who plays dirty , so may not be fair to label whole team.
I'm someone who doesn't believe in woke BS and someone who thinks people need to grow some thicker skin, but even I can understand that whoever wrote that is a scumbag. How dare you insult kid athletes who are just trying to have fun and get a job done. Unacceptable
“I don’t like it when journalists offend me by giving my team an edgy nickname but it’s okay when we offend people by not showing up for the national anthem.”
I have nevee heard that term before. I googled it and didn't even know something like that existed which begs the question as to how did the editor come to know about that particular kind of entertainment
Yes women have faced a lot in sports and THE BIGGEST problem is men claiming to be women playing in their sports!!!!!!!! ESPN will not condemn that so they are in no position to complain.
Really? How many instances can you site of men playing in women sports, at the major sport entities that are covered by ESPN, collegiate or professional?
Agreed a lot of fake moral outrage and pearl clutching. You actually see people who were former columnists like Skip and Stephen A have a more nuanced approached (because they've been columnists covering a specific cities team like this homer journo clearly was). SAS is right; if it was a neutral writer from a different city or a national columnists then there'd be an issue. But hyperbolic, over the top, tongue and cheek sports commentary? That's what shows like "First Take" and "Undisputed" are lol They've said worse about male athletes. The only thing here is the "dity debutantes" line (given what comes up on a Google search).
I agree with Kim stance on the LGBTQ players. Kim recruited players to play basketball, not start a movement. Nobody cares what you do in the bedroom, you’re there to play ball. Also, there might be issues with other players undressing around a LGBTQ player that is attracted to women. It’s ironic the guys congratulated Kim for winning 20 games a year, every year in her career, but chastised her for HOW she did it, which includes establishing team unity and the winning atmosphere….and that includes unity in the locker room.
I don't understand how the racist undertone isn't being acknowledged? Iowa, primarily/the face of the team (Clark), white = Good/Milk and Cookies. LSU, primarily/face of the team (Reece), black. And somehow, they're "Evil"? The "villans"? How? They don't cheat nor play the game dirty. They JUST won the national championship. They need to put the writer on full blast.
I think the women are trying to act like men, with the trash talking and stutting and possing. But LSU especially Reese does too much. If people were honest they could admit that , but instead they try to downplay or say she does the same as Clark. Thats a lie showe clark following another player around for 20 seconds doing some gesture while talking trash
The editor and team approved this commentary to be written, which means that they were satisfied. UCLA’s coach retweeted the article, which means she was pleased with the article. Of course, she apologize for not reading the article in full. Really?? The article crossed the line. I’m disappointed that celebrities, professionals sports player, especially from the Lakers camp. I’m disappointed 11:08 that LA
Just looked up the meaning of the term and it was concerning that Google asked if I wanted to keep the safesearch on or off. When I turned it off man...disgusting terminology that should be a FIREABLE offense
It's actually pathetic to portray a women's college game as "good vs. evil". It's asinine. Not to mention, LSU is the underdog team. It's a 1 vs. a 3. This is why people are going to side with LSU over Iowa. There's a narrative being created surrounding Caitlin Clark in broad daylight. 😂😂😂
The "good versus evil" comment was obviously hyperbolic and is typical in male sports commentary (especially since this dude was a homer writing for his hometown team). The "dirty debutants" line is where the issue is.
This is what Deion Sanders was saying, yes they are 18 to 21 year olds. However, when you are getting that NIL money being paid like professional athletes then you open yourself up all types of criticism! Therefore, they have to have tougher skin as student athletes. Understanding that all these type of things come when you’re making more money than the women in the NBA! So I get what the coach is saying however, the dynamics have changed a bit in the world we live in today!
I heard you on PBD Stephen A. I expect that same thoughtfulness and nuance from bow on. You should have never shown yourself to be reasonable! Keep heading this way and you will get right.
Ehh... She's making it a big deal when she should just ignore it and concentrate between the lines. Male athletes, coaches have hit pieces written about them daily... This is a part of "equality" that women don't like.
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I feel like LSU and Iowa are bringing out people’s real feelings about life not just sports
Bringing out ? Racist whites already acting on their hate... you just haven't been paying attention
As a white guy I was appalled to learn that black babies have 3x mortality rate with white doctors vs black doctors. The same discrepancy does not occur with black doctors .. Google it. .. someone will say I'm pushing hate for telling the truth !!!!
Couldn't agree with you more.
Yep
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The article pretty much tried to incite some type of culture war like what
Wait till the game tonight gon look like civil war 2
Oh ffs she enabled her team to be classless and disrespectful and they got called out for it. Maybe hop off the victim parade for 30 seconds and learn how to take accountability for your own behavior. Nobody is talking about any other teams as “good vs evil”, and that’s not a coincidence, and it’s certainly not racism or sexism.
media? incite? NAAAWWW
4 ucla starters are black
@@Rushking20nah fr Iowa and Louisiana, and I’m from Mississippi and have felt that lsu and Iowa last year had more to do with white vs black then actually basketball, and both teams are great and loving
I googled it, and my SafeSearch wouldn’t even render it. LA Times is DISGUSTING for that article
I Googled it without safe search and dirty debutantes is "XXXXXX" rated, if you get my meaning.
My wife thought I was googling spank material when I googled it smh
Yeah, I got adult film results too.
Just googled it. Jesus Christ, people need to chill.
It led to phub
Milk and Cookies vs Hot Sauce... not only was it sexist, it was straight up racist. guess they just let anyone become a writer nowadays. Big up Hailey Van Lith for being real about the article. Mulkey, even though she called it out, didn't blast the racist portion of it.
Bingo!!!
Her players need to tell her to address the racist part of it.
@@millionairemillennial86nah. It’s her job to do it. Black ppl shouldn’t have to point out racism to white ppl. She’s not dumb.
Because y’all are obsessed with race?
Like Unc pointed out, they may as well have gone full-on Don Imus. They crossed the threshold, just used more “flowery” language. Fkn disgusting
I agree with Shannon - Kim Mulkey has her problems, but this was uncalled for. And never, ever, ever say that kind of nasty stuff about the athletes. (And I'm an Iowa fan).
That's the thing that's so crazy. You can dislike a team without being sexist and racist, but apparently that was too much to ask for for the dude who wrote this initial column. Sheesh.
I am genuinely curious, what problems does Kim Mulkey have? I think Shannon only said he was not a fan of hers. From my personal perspective the only thing people do not like about her is her lack of filter. I don't see that as a problem but her personality, which is OK for anyone to dislike or not be a fan of. Thanks, and good luck tonight!
GOD said white men is devil people need just see that as fact attacking young women its pure evil
@@meraxe5and ima fan of kim from a bball perspective but outside of that idk it'd shaky brother
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LSU players should sue the LA times for slandering there names
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Yeah the problem with that is to win a slander lawsuit you need to prove what was said was wrong. All the LA Times would need to do is show a highlight reel of LSU players taunting their opponents and the judge would throw the case out.
Mulkey is trash and recruits players of the same mentality. Mulkey is one of the most disgusting people, as a person, to ever coach. Anybody that plays for her now knowing her history, it says a lot about them & nothing good. She is pure scum.
I would!
They'd have to get in line
All of this because the "white team" lost to the "black team" in last year's championship game. This just goes to show just how far we have not come in regards to racism.
Exactly
@@chrismalik1579shut up
It was a lot better before Obama became President. And now it's the democrats and Joe Biden that love their racial division.
As long as people are using racism and sexism as an excuse to not be held accountable for their actions, we’ll still have a long way to go
Stop whining. What are you going to do about it?
This had zero to do with them being women and 100 percent with majority of the players being black. The LA Times said “Let’s give them some of that Jim Crow,” racism
Facts
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So the only victims are the black female players here ?😂😂
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS SURPRISING?!? SOME WHITES really think we are below them. They chained us and fought laws that were attempted to be put in place to even the playing field!! UNTIL THEIR MINDS/VIEWS OF US CHANGE, it is what it is!! SIDEBAR: HOW MANY CENTURIES HAS IT BEEN?!?
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No. However the statement was made because of the strong presence of the black players on the team.
Good vs Evil? How did that get passed the editor?
Fr 😂 and LA Times publishing it is WILD 😂
The Editor(s) believed that nonsense obviously
Welk the " good" in this case were mostly black just like the " evil" was so how is this racist?
@@jusbertmeza4424its la times, what yall expect lmao
@@soda8736 but It’s still a crazy title for a sports page
Editor should be fired and blacklisted from journalism
That’s because it’s more blacks on LSU let’s just state the facts
Of course, the mainstream press continues its agenda to get blacks out of basketball. You hit the black nail on the black head .
It was racist at worst and the paper was ready for whatever back lash was to come. They wanted the publicity and was ready to fight the supposed anti-woke agenda.
You said what everyone has been avoiding.
What game did you watch? Don't you know a black girl when you see one? Betts is biracial. Rice is biracial. The shooting guard is black. UCLA 3, LSU 4 starting lineup. UCLA has a Hispanic guard, Jaquez.
She is homophobic
The “ bosses” must of told them not to use the word racism lol.
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They should’ve put the writer on blast
Thats what i mean. Put the name out there
@@s.k.o.e.2191Ben Bolch beat writer for ucla. As an alumn and huge supporter of our basketball program I’m disgusted and appalled. Let’s get this clown fired. I can take over the column 💯✍🏽
Is it the writer alone? I think the editor owes some explanation and is definitely culpable.
@user-jh5wv3oo1l sure, but letting it pass by your desk is not the same level of awful as spending your time writing it up. What's going on in that creeps mind?
I mean the writer wrote it, but it went through mamy levels saying it was okay im more mad at the editors and the paper in general.
Unfortunately, anyone w/sense saw this brewing last yr after LSU’s title. Vilifying LSU, Angel Reese & co & glorying Clarke. Both ladies are competitors & it should be left at that smh 💯
LSU players definitely played up the antics to earn that villain label. It happens all the time in college basketball, strong team with players leaning into the antics gets hate. The most well known are usually the white guy on Duke teams, Christian Laettner, JJ Redick, Grayson Allen, etc. Those guys played it up and were the villains.
@@limitedbom2206 They adopted that stance only after it was clear that the main focus was NOT on them & all predicated upon the lower seed in Iowa & Caitlyn Clark. Don’t blame them for feeling disrespected if or when their team was better all season long w/less media coverage. Merely pointing out the media creates all of this-Case & Point. Media is/was out of line for this article here
@@limitedbom2206 They played up to it no more than Clark herself did. Clark's antics are numerous and recorded for anybody to see. That said, Clark herself was never the problem. She's a great player and competitor and she never had a problem w/ LSU, as she herself said. Her fans are another story...
@@keenannorris3309 I agree, Caitlin did the same thing. I think people let her slide because she was a major underdog going up against a powerhouse team. I don't remember an underdog showboating getting hate in the past so it doesn't surprise me. At least, that's my guess.
@@ShadomanG It's not surprising though, all the media attention went to the girl carrying her teams offense game after game. Then that iowa team ran into a brick wall in LSU. But that definitely pushed that label more in my opinion. When the clearly superior team smacks the underdog down and then starts antagonizing them/the fans, it is a one way ticket to villain status.
But I'm definitely fine with LSU talking their stuff. By all means, if you're feeling disrespected, you should go out and speak on it. You know how good you are, go dominate.
Shannon had perfect analogy with the “objection sustained”. This article was so bad on so many levels :(
No,He should have used the analogy of "Striking" the statement. After it was already said.
I have huge respect for LSU, but it feels to me that both Mulkey & Angel Reese have become targets since they won last year.
Over 400 likes. Thank you. GO HAWKS!!!
Angel Reese threatened the first lady last year, was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team this past fall, and taunted the UCLA bench in her last game. Apparently, she hasn't learned her lesson. The refs need to keep an eye on her aggressive behavior and call the Iowa game correctly.
They have been targets and it’s a shame! She’s a great coach and will go to all lengths to protect her girls! Y’all are all wrong about Angel Reese! She’s a great leader of this team! STOP IT! The only difference between CC and AR is color! STOP IT!
Respect Angel Reese after she taunted Caitlyn Clark who basically played them 1v5? That was my first time being introduced to her so she’s never had my respect
@@RobbieStacks90 LMAOOOOOOO
@@aimeesimoneaux6197 the only difference? There are differences and they are far more indicative than something as meaningless as color.
Took out my phone and Googled it...took me straight to corn websites. That's the real reason the LA Times switched up and backtracked
😞Are we really to believe they didn’t know that when they said it? 🙄 They play so dumb when called out. Imagine running everything and also saying “we didn’t know.” Words are your literal business. 👌
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💯 truth. Disheartening to refer to woman of color in this manner.
I google it took me straight to the Hub that's crazy they were even allowed to write that about young girls like that
They are adults. Not young girls 😂 goodness.
😂😂😂😂 st to the hub
@@billyyank5807not true and if it was, why would it be justified then?
@@billyyank5807so makes it better 🤔
@@billyyank5807so that's ok?
I googled it and couldn't click a single link, looking at the description. Disgusting for a journal to publish that.
If it was ever posted but deleted it's still there. Search it up on the way back machine. It's internet archives
We’ve come so far since Rutgers. Oh, wait, no we haven’t. The one thing you can’t do in America is call a racist a racist. The nerve
We should've stayed separated💯
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Who’s racist?
Anything California disagree with they immediately call sexist, racist, etc...
But apparently you can act with absolutely no class or respect and when you get called out you can just use racism and sexism as an excuse
LA Times just pissed their team lost. What a bunch of losers.
That article came out before the game
@@tonth1383That article was trying to derail the LSU Team😢
@@richard_M7116Mulkey is trash and recruits players of the same mentality. Mulkey is one of the most disgusting people, as a person, to ever coach. Anybody that plays for her now knowing her history, it says a lot about them & nothing good. She is pure scum.
Yes now that was trash journalism but the Washington post was not
USC or UCLA?
I am not a fan of Mulkey either but I am a fan of right and wrong and in this matter Coach Mulkey is spot on right .....
Just because she said something is racist all you are on her side, so predictable
@@soda8736 F word you stay off my feed go find somebody else feed to comment your negative thoughts and opinion .... 🗣️🗣️
@@soda8736 Just because you wrote something don't mean we can call you a dumb idiot...
@@soda8736she didn’t even say racist she said sexist
Stephen a smith give me uncle tom vibes said if usa today said this dont see structure these demon monsters white men la times put this out how lsu be villian they won national championship 😂😂😂Guy said White people create stuff in there on perspective look all around world study history white men killed everybody destroyed cultures created perspective how want world see them as Good😂😂😂reality they Devil😂
The nerve of putting out that article shows how callous, ignorant and loose these individuals in particular positions think of people of color. That shouldn’t have been cleared to begin with so someone in management is definitely a fool for all seasons. Why can’t it be two good teams going against each other rather than good vs evil? We all need to unite and stand strong against oppression, racism and bigotry in this country.
I agree the articles choice of wording was horrible, but the good vs evil thing isn't racist. That's happened all the time in the past for college basketball. Past duke teams with Christian Laettner, JJ Redick, Grayson Allen, the fab 5 Michigan team, that gross dude with the long hair on Gonzaga in the 2000s, these were all college basketball "Villains". It's usually the overall best team that plays into the antics to antagonize other teams/crowds gets the villain label. It's nothing new, people usually root against the powerhouse teams.
Debutante has never once in the history of mankind been a racial insult. Using racism as an excuse for acting with no dignity is literally the opposite of Martin Luther King Jr’s dream. He wanted his children to be judged by the content of their character but people like you want to use the color of their skin as a defense to have no character.
@@ErikDaynewell said. I may steal that last line.
Agreed but will never happen, to many racist people for that to occur
@@limitedbom2206 Thanks for ignoring the CONTEXT...you can't have clearly racist statements, along with good vs evil, in the same article, and claim its not connected
It’s crazy cuz UCLA has black women on there team from Compton south central and Inglewood so the article is just weird cuz both 80% of all the girls are blk on both teams
Talking about Iowa not UCLA .
Whoever wrote this article needs to be fired
Everyone forgot convicts vs Catholics…
I think Canes were motivated by that and Fighting Irish was an anti-Catholic epitaph the school turned on its head.
That also happened like 40 years ago. It was definitely wrong then, but it was a different time.
@@Grant112988 ya but the name convicts vs Catholics wasn’t incorrect Miami literally had a bunch of dudes that had been in jail playing against notre dame (catholic school)
Them Catholices aint all good ether @@cali1427
Same style of writing……….. ain’t nothing changed bruh
I knew what a dirty debutante was before her press conference. To call a team of 18-21 year olds. A derogatory term such as that is extremely disgusting and unacceptable.
*Stephen A is a master at walking the line*
"Is that where we are now?" 😂 when has it left?
All they did was give LSU more fire power and motivation lol. They should've never posted that article lol
This kind of media can break the spirit
they lost...
@@gambino48against Iowa. This article was before the UCLA vs LSU game Saturday
They lost
the article acting like this is a lord of the rings battle
it ain't that serious
You might not think it’s that serious but considering how much hatred and negativity LSU has received since winning that championship last year (Angel Reese even received vile death threats) it actually is serious. Remember, yes it’s sports but these girls are actually human beings. They’re human beings who are just trying to enjoy their lives, and be good at what they do.
The aritcle obvs wasn't serious. It was an article written by a homer from LA writing about the UCLA team. The only legit thing is the "dirty debutantes" line was in poor taste (given what comes up when you search it). These guys on "First Take" say worse about male pro athletes all the time because sports commentary is over the top, tongue in cheek lol
😂😂😂
Haha. Right??? It’s girls basketball.
Pretty wild timing for this to drop right before playing Iowa.
This reminded me of Don Imus.
Exactly the thought I had. It’s shameful.
Mulkey is the female Bob knight, someone that is objectively a great coach but you would never care to meet in person.
I was thinking the same thing.
How do you know have you met her
@@bartonfussell6360 her own words on a number of subjects to include her former players say how difficult she is outside of basketball.
Yeah when you Google that term it gets very x-rated.
It's also racist.
lol them people bouta storm the comments
Soft generation the bad boys were called worse but no one mentioned racist. But you can't stop professional victim mentality.
@@rickpersaud7016so just because no one mentioned racism means that there wasn’t racist remarks said to the bad boys? Tell me you are white without saying you are white.
Tell me you a professional victim without being a victim. You must be black.
@@rickpersaud7016I’m sure your mom is also your aunt
Don't google Dirty Debutantes at work
Irresponsible by the editor. How they even allowed this to print is gross.
Reminds me of Don Imus calling the Rutgers women’s team what he did.
How did we grow up learning about libel and slander for it to not ever come into effect.
1) It's not defamatory. Do people believe the LSU girls are literally "evil" and literally "dirty debutantes" because of the article this guy wrote? (and thus they are going to suffer actual damages because of it; people won't hire them, they'll get disqualified, they'll suffer so much emotionally they won't be able to step onto the court because they know people believe that they are literally "evil" and "dirty debutantes" because of what this dude wrote) lol Besides in the US you have the First Amendment which protects a lot of speech and this was clearly a free comment opinion column by a writer (i.e. his not reporting facts, he's giving his opinion on a sporting event).
2) This dude is a homer writer (LA Times) writing for the home team (UCLA). If it was (like Don Imus) a neutral party writing for the Denver Post (or as SAS rightfully says, USA Today) than there's more of a case that there was ill intent. The "good versus evil" was clearly hyperbolic, over the top, tongue and cheek. The ONLY real issue here is the "dirty debutante" line (given what comes up on the Google Search). That crossed a line and should've never been used.
libel and slander usually is when you make up an allegation or an untruthful statement as fact.
The Dirty Debutants is definitely a reference to the adult film from back in the day.
you mean Ed Powers lol
Yes, I blew many a load in my youth to this cinematic masterpiece
it's a series lol
@JakeBayCity You a wild dude😭😭😭😭😭😭
Once again reporters ignore the fact that coach Mulkey did respond to the Griner drug arrest in Russia. She told a reporter she wished her well and hoped she returned safely. She said that was the only time she would respond to that subject. Coach Mulkey didn't owe Griner anything. Griner said some things about Coach Mulkey that were not true. Also, Griner's family new what Baylor was when she enrolled. She then wants to come out and throw it in their face. She should have gone to a California school or Texas A&M.
The LA Times article helped her big time. It completely buried the Washington Post article.
The "Google the phrase" was genius. I wonder if she came up with that herself or LSU has a crack research team lol That was brilliant PR wise
That was exact the point. First person I’ve seen that realized this.
That may be the reason they published it. I had a feeling LA Times did this in retaliation for the Washington Post call out.
There wasn’t anything bad in the Washington Post article. You obviously didn’t read it
It’s sick how the media turned this thing to white vs black. Good vs evil. Right vs wrong…smh this is hoops. Real men love this competitive spirit. We’ve never seen this in women’s sports and plus they can actually hoop now. It’s sick.
Nah real men act with respect. Little boys chirp and taunt when they win.
So you’re ok,with the name calling?
@@bennyhill1900 we talk junk in sports all the time. What’s wrong with it, the fact girls doing it now. Womens hoops is boring without it. They need that extra umph
@@ErikDayne if a man chooses to be humble, that’s on him. If a man chooses to talk then that’s on him. Some people channel that competitiveness and some people let that energy out. Either way it’s still a man, but real men love it either way
That’s the history of Sports in the U.S.
It also should've been mentioned in this discussion that the UCLA coach shared the article with others ... basically condoning the article. And to me, the article is more racist than it is sexist. The racism was spoken in dog whistles, such as "milk" vs "hot sauce" and "sweethearts" vs "dirty".
The UCLA coach has already apologized for retweeting that article saying she didn’t even read it until after retweeting it. Once she read it, she deleted the tweet.
@@gothard5 If you believe she retweeting an article about her team without reading it then I have a solid gold diamond studded bridge to the moon that I will sell you at a good price.
@@gothard5U believe that b.s.?
@@gothard5bs..the title of the article alone she was wrong
She never treated any of her players wrong ! She’s a Christian that worked for a Christian university at the time ! She wasn’t going to celebrate her gayness and was actually looking out for her players by telling them not to flaunt their gayness because it’s against university rules!
she a debased rodeo clown, embarassing herself and the program
The gayness must stop! Support the women of LSU.
Glad to see the comment section didn’t turn into a sexist pig pen like every video that mentions women’s basketball lol
The reporter is right..... good vs evil
The Article was not cool
Do all aricles have to be cool?
@@soda8736 not saying that at all
Yeah and the fact that they making this a white vs black thing between Iowa vs LSU is crazy
love how Shannon brought up the Catholics vs Convicts. That was low. Did ND ever apologize for that?
Nope! However, I believe the media wrote that and not ND
By no means am I a Mulkey fan, she's absolutely correct it's one thing to criticize her coaching style. But to call these 18-21 year old kids dirty debutantes is an absolute disgrace
Call them whatever you want to. Here in Louisiana (Southeast) Angel Reese and Company are G.O.A.T.S! Geaux Queen Tigers!!
All of Louisiana.
lsu should be back still a good team
Angel Reese was in trouble for fighting a teammate. That's why she wasn't playing at the beginning of the year. Kim had no choice
I thought the article was spot on. SPOT ON
Kim don't care ... your feelings about Louisiana as a whole are very clear.
Yeah this article was crazy.
I agree how is LSU evil cause they got black stars and Caitlin is white like really
No. It’s bc they play dirty and are classless.
@@nickcothran3307Play dirty? Classless? Explain yourself.
Black is evil 🖕🏻🧑🏿🦱
@@Bea-Dubya watch the game tonite. See how Iowa handles it when they beat lsu. Then watch how lsu handled it when they beat Iowa last year. ..maybe it’s just angel Reese who plays dirty , so may not be fair to label whole team.
@@nickcothran3307nobody on lsu plays dirty, clearly you're the one who don't watch these games
Ed Powers is loving this.
Kim Mulkey is a Boss.
I'm someone who doesn't believe in woke BS and someone who thinks people need to grow some thicker skin, but even I can understand that whoever wrote that is a scumbag. How dare you insult kid athletes who are just trying to have fun and get a job done. Unacceptable
Yet it’s people that will tell you racism and sexism doesn’t exist. But they know what they doing. They just don’t care.
Yea I see how blacks kill white people every day
Mulkey coached at a Baptist school. What do you expect her to do? She wanted to keep Griner on the right side of school policy
I have respect for LSU, and I'm a South Carolina fan.
This is the USA, black is bad and white is good. And please don’t tell me they got black players in both teams. We see you.
It’s racist, Geaux tigers
“I don’t like it when journalists offend me by giving my team an edgy nickname but it’s okay when we offend people by not showing up for the national anthem.”
🤣🤣🤣
SAS!! It was not a mistake!! What written was intentional and egregious!!
I have nevee heard that term before. I googled it and didn't even know something like that existed which begs the question as to how did the editor come to know about that particular kind of entertainment
Yes women have faced a lot in sports and THE BIGGEST problem is men claiming to be women playing in their sports!!!!!!!!
ESPN will not condemn that so they are in no position to complain.
hug your mom incel
Really? How many instances can you site of men playing in women sports, at the major sport entities that are covered by ESPN, collegiate or professional?
Sorry Kim you are a reflection of your team, disrespecting the flag!
The L. A. Times is wrong for that absolutely.
I love their coach.. and you guys have been very hard on the coach...period
LA Times is trash for that article 🙄🙄🙄
LSU left the court before the national anthem. If they act ugly, then accept the crown for being ugly.
These guys are part of the media and they're just now realizing the media does this? Shocked Pikachu
Agreed a lot of fake moral outrage and pearl clutching. You actually see people who were former columnists like Skip and Stephen A have a more nuanced approached (because they've been columnists covering a specific cities team like this homer journo clearly was). SAS is right; if it was a neutral writer from a different city or a national columnists then there'd be an issue. But hyperbolic, over the top, tongue and cheek sports commentary? That's what shows like "First Take" and "Undisputed" are lol They've said worse about male athletes. The only thing here is the "dity debutantes" line (given what comes up on a Google search).
It's ridiculous how we hold sports writers to a much higher standard than the President of the United States.
😅Living in Los Angeles made me believe our newspaper was national.
Free speech...... good over evil
It was flamebait. And it obviously worked.
Idm what it was it was wrong
I agree with Kim stance on the LGBTQ players. Kim recruited players to play basketball, not start a movement. Nobody cares what you do in the bedroom, you’re there to play ball. Also, there might be issues with other players undressing around a LGBTQ player that is attracted to women. It’s ironic the guys congratulated Kim for winning 20 games a year, every year in her career, but chastised her for HOW she did it, which includes establishing team unity and the winning atmosphere….and that includes unity in the locker room.
Interesting. This is the same thing those white people used to say to Bill Russel and Lou Alcindor (KAJ)
I don't understand how the racist undertone isn't being acknowledged?
Iowa, primarily/the face of the team (Clark), white = Good/Milk and Cookies.
LSU, primarily/face of the team (Reece), black. And somehow, they're "Evil"? The "villans"?
How? They don't cheat nor play the game dirty. They JUST won the national championship.
They need to put the writer on full blast.
I just find LSU unlikeable. But I find Caitlin Clark unlikeable.
I agree. Add Iowa's coach in there, too.
I think the women are trying to act like men, with the trash talking and stutting and possing. But LSU especially Reese does too much. If people were honest they could admit that , but instead they try to downplay or say she does the same as Clark. Thats a lie showe clark following another player around for 20 seconds doing some gesture while talking trash
South Carolina will Destroy both Iowa and LSU
Why?😮
Kim Mulkey was absolutely right on folks!!!!!❤❤❤
They need to give Shannon more lighting!
Ikr! Why they got Shannon in the shadows 😬
Just sad, yet I am not shocked. The man had no standards, no remorse. Crazy! Defamatory overboard! I hope they get to have a conversation. 👈🏾💯
This was about attacking Kim Mulkey and what she stands for. This would never have happened if Kim Mulkey were a liberal.
The dove flying in the sky😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Only stephen a can spin this sht...
The editor and team approved this commentary to be written, which means that they were satisfied. UCLA’s coach retweeted the article, which means she was pleased with the article. Of course, she apologize for not reading the article in full. Really??
The article crossed the line. I’m disappointed that celebrities, professionals sports player, especially from the Lakers camp.
I’m disappointed 11:08 that LA
It ain’t sexist it is racist.
Just looked up the meaning of the term and it was concerning that Google asked if I wanted to keep the safesearch on or off. When I turned it off man...disgusting terminology that should be a FIREABLE offense
I'm laughing at the LSU team.
It ain't 2020.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The whole world laughing at them now.
It's actually pathetic to portray a women's college game as "good vs. evil". It's asinine. Not to mention, LSU is the underdog team. It's a 1 vs. a 3. This is why people are going to side with LSU over Iowa. There's a narrative being created surrounding Caitlin Clark in broad daylight. 😂😂😂
Yea this situation is WILD
The "good versus evil" comment was obviously hyperbolic and is typical in male sports commentary (especially since this dude was a homer writing for his hometown team). The "dirty debutants" line is where the issue is.
That clip of Jason Whitlock questioning Stephen A Smith basketball careers, pops up lmao 😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Michael Wilbon hosts first take now?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Out. Of. Pocket 😂
You wrong for that😂😂😂.... I will say she is the best looking bald headed woman I've seen..
This is what Deion Sanders was saying, yes they are 18 to 21 year olds. However, when you are getting that NIL money being paid like professional athletes then you open yourself up all types of criticism!
Therefore, they have to have tougher skin as student athletes. Understanding that all these type of things come when you’re making more money than the women in the NBA!
So I get what the coach is saying however, the dynamics have changed a bit in the world we live in today!
Media coverage can impact NIL monies.
I support Mulky. Black lives matter ✊🏿
You should go to the neighborhood with the blm . I forgot blm don't matter then????
The truth stings but I guess you a professional victim mentality. Blm only matters if non blacks are involved.
lol no
This is where we at in sports media.... ANYTHING for views and clicks... ANYTHING
I heard you on PBD Stephen A. I expect that same thoughtfulness and nuance from bow on. You should have never shown yourself to be reasonable! Keep heading this way and you will get right.
Ehh... She's making it a big deal when she should just ignore it and concentrate between the lines. Male athletes, coaches have hit pieces written about them daily... This is a part of "equality" that women don't like.
Oh shut up 😂😂
Are you a POC in America?
Educational, thanks guys.