API 2500 Shootout | The New Lindell SBC vs UAD and Waves
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
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0:00 - Intro
1:02 - Dry Drums
1:24 - Lindell SBC
1:43 - UAD
1:58 - Waves
2:11 - All 3 Again
3:18 - Conclusion
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Be aware that the Lindell meter is calibrated to -14 , the analog domain is -18 .
If you didn't changed that , there's a meter calibration in the plugin itself.
This is probably why the meter shows differnet results.
Definitely like the snap you get from the UAD version, but I can see why some would prefer Waves if that's not what you're after. Great vid!
Hi, all you video contents are great & good quality...
Glad you like them!
Excellent video, thank you ... I have the waves and the UAD but tend to favor the UAD. I'm not sure there was enough about the Lindell to tempt me :)
Nice but it's actually not a good idea to use the same threshold settings, because even same hardware pieces would react differently using the same threshold settings, if you want to compare apples to apples you have to use same attack, release, etc. but set the threshold in a way all three are doing the same amount of gain reduction.
And here Waves shows around 10dB of GR, while Lindell barely 4dB.
Fair point. Though I've done it that way before and people complained that I didn't match the settings.
@@GreenLightSound haha okay I think that might be true but if you explain in few words why you used same GR and not same threshold to make fair comparison I hope they would get it...
A real comparison has to be same GR. Otherwise it would be like you compare an eq with a cut at 50 and the other at 100hz (in my opinion) the problem is that the gr-meters even don’t show the correct values like an eq you think you cut at 50 but if you check it on plugindoctor the cut is at 40 or 60 or even more😊 but still great work and I like those videos 👍🏼
Would be a great idea if the VU meters were in any way an accurate representation of the actual gain reduction taking place. Waves is the most accurate, UAD is more true to life (meaning how meters on the real unit behave) and PA is not very well done unfortunately.
Luckily all that matters is the sound!
It depends on what you are trying to find out. Is the question how they sound when they reduce the same amount of gain? Or is it how they react with all the exact same settings? Or/and even, how do they compare to the real deal, in both these manners...? Thats allways the thing with these kind of comparisons. Always the discussion about what is a fair comparison and what is not. Well, to me that all depend on what the exact question is, about what you really try to find out. There is not just ''one good/fair way'' to compare in the end
Great and to the point. I have Waves and feel it performed well enough not to change. Plus V14 will have MIX and TRIM controls added.
yeah waves is garbage
@@liorsilverstein9802 good for you.
Great comparition. UAD gives more saturation, live, brighter sound, Lindell very warm, darker and Waves sounds very raw, got best marked transient, but its very thin transient, unnatural. Only UAD, sometimes Lindell when need of darker/fat drums. Waves is very cheap alternative
I have the waves plugin and I've always hated it. I can hear the audible compression and can never quite get a pleasing presence from it. It sounded like the Lindell version wasn't actually hitting as hard as the others. I'll have to try it out side by side with the Lindell 50 and see what it's like.
I preferred the lindell and then the UAD. On my ears the waves sounded flat and less dimensional. I already had that version and it was my consistent impression hence I rarely used it.
Thanks for doing this. Lindell plugins usually have oversampling and calibration settings? What were the settings for the SBC?
agree. This is not a fair test as we know nothing about the settings. UAD works in 192kHz mode on default. Lindell has up to 768 kHz setting which is essential for accurate dynamics processing.
Lindell sbc sound more dark with the others api? 🤔
waves had alot more gain reduction. would have preferred the gain reduction was matched. i do own the waves version and it is one of my main go to compressors for a lot of different things, but i did like how the UAD sounds
The UAD sounds more snappy, the Lindell sounds more natural and the Waves sounds boomy.
The UAD makes the snare sounds better, but maybe it's a matter of snare also.
I'm listening trough Adams T7V and 2x Adam Sub 8. The bottom end is very clear and, well, this is what I hear.
If you don't have a bit more bottom end (30Hz), you don't realize how much these compressors affect the kick.
Invest in the midrange, that's where the money is. Cheers
Sounds like to me the waves for me is nah…the UA has a more mid and high range boost. The Lindell seems to sit right in between. I already have some API preamps and just use some dbx560a for tracking purposes. I don’t have a lot of outs, and don’t want to hassle printing I hardware. But been thinking of getting a capi one for tracking. But honestly with the vst plugins, I just hear differences in the way it treats the mids and highs. A UI is a UI and doesn’t really convince me it’s the real deal. I could probably use a transient designer, plus a stock vst compressor and get my desired results with a real API pre on the chain.
Honestly DMG Audios trackcomp sounds closer to the HW than any of these 3, def worth checking it out if you get a chance.
it does seem like DMG 2k is the API 2500 King.......
DMG is absolutely an unsung hero. I just know their CEO isn't very "into" marketing and such : /
No one cares! wrong video - you noob nerds beginner folks need to stop pushing cheapo plugin "TrackComp'
UAD more punch, but man Waves got so much more details out of the high end. Both great. Not sure if you got settings on Lindell right.
UAD seem to keep it in some kind of a more boxy limited dynamics where different sounds (crash, cymbals, tom tom etc) all sound on the "same level" and not too all over the place.... which I like BTW.
Both Waves and Lindell don't seem to have that... which some might see as "it keeps the original dynamics"... but to me it sounds less good honestly.
Waves also sounds weird a bit in the low end, something there just doesn't click with me.
So I guess UAD is 1st place, 2nd place Lindell... Waves 3rd. Just my opinion.
the uad and lindell can both achieve the same type of snap you'd look for with this unit, but the ua version def. brings out those upper mids that those opamps are known for. both do an awesome job at that low ratio "subtle surf" compression you get from this box. the waves version is garbage (in terms of sounding like the actual unit)
I’ve had trackcomp for quite a while and never thought to use it as the api, but after reading countless comments in Iindell videos I revisited it and man it really is superior. I would love to see an edit of this video including the dmg.
wrong video - you noob nerds beginner folks need to stop pushing cheapo plugin "TrackComp' DMG - get over this - wrong thread!
@@levondarratt787certainly
The UAD sounds more focused and snappier, great comparison!
Thanks!
Lindell is much snappier in x16 mode. UAD uses oversampling x4 on default. So it sounds right on the spot. But you have to engage that same settings in Lindell manually. You will have that same snap and all the nuancies of the real thing.
After doing my own shootout on my mixes. I prefer Lindell over waves and I have been using waves for years. UAD is also way better than waves.
UAD sounds musical, Lindel warm, WAVES is real huge, but smashed transient in difrent way
To me the cymbals just slash out and die on the UAD and the hh and drums just sound squashed ..I likes the waves but definitely Loved the Lindell open and forward and the HH and Cymbals were still sounding good.. I don't always run my cymbals through a drum crush but the Lindell handled it nicely
I feel the sbl issuonding slightly better then the others
I don't know what everyone else is listening to. on DT-880s the Lindell is far superior, not even close, more open & clean but still smacking it, the other two were crushed and boxy
Man, I'm hearing the same thing on my Audio Technica 40s... it's not even close, blow these two away the lindell sounds like a piece of hardware
Especially with some of that nuclear knob dialed in, all I got to say is wow!
I agree.
one thing I've never seen, and think would be helpful, is when people comment on these types of videos, to make mention of the reference monitors they're using when checking these videos out. If everyone's listening on something TOTALLY DIFFERENT (for the SUBTLTIES that different mixing plugins offer), then of course everyone is going to have different opinions... just some random food for thought... I listened on 2nd GEN KRK 8s and all three sound good however there's a beautiful (without being harsh) top-end transparency that stands out in the UAD & WAVES versions vs the Lindell... as well as a more pronounced low-mid punch that comes from both vs the Lindell that's more full and "controlled" than Lindell. that low-mid punch is more "focused" in the UAD version than Waves (and seems to punch with a lower frequency in the range than WAVES), but that transparent top-end is more "polished" in the WAVES version vs UAD. At the end of the day, it's all about "PREFERENCE" - as with ANY plugin... it's exactly UAD has THREE DIFFERENT VERSIONS of their 1176... they all give different "character" because of the modeled circuitry...
UAD got that depth. Waves gets close surprisingly and has depth too. Lindell SBC might nuke both with different settings.
Waves and Uad are very close though. Same happened when i tested cla76 and 1176 from uad. Lindell feels like compressing less than 2 others. My conclusion is that old 30$ waves api still rocks. Wish they update the ui:)
The new v14 release updated the gui for the api plugins.
@@GreenLightSound yeah, resolution is better and also added the mix knob, but it's still looks crappy
Waves
Ima uad user but when it comes to API I’m going to waves
The Lindell hands down. Actually I‘m surprised the UAD lacks the nice deep compression the Lindell has. It sounds closer to the Waves version.
Lindell wins this
UAD wins better snap better feeling
Both Waves and UAD offer variable release. The Lindell SBC doesn't. SBC adds "Smash" to the original.
Well.....the Plugin Alliance Comp sounds more Analog......
Lindell SBC was the least punchy. It got too much bass tamed (not enough low end impact), and too little amount of high frequency transient preserved (too soft snare.)
UAD’s def got that snap sound.
Waves’ is my fav in this comparison. The attack was more intact than UAD’s. I believe this made the drum cut through the mix well, instead of only snappy short attack being heard. Too much gain reduction though.
Nuc Knob, game changer....fast release Slow attack THD cranked....with a little bit of Nuc....wowww.....sounds like Hardware
Waves does a good job for many years and Lindell won't rellace it. Lindell, you have joined the party a lil too late
uad one is mediocre, waves one sound is solid! lindell is ok no game changer
Waves API 2500 old and still great.
I agree...it had the most Carity......always use R Compressor on Mix Bus or I use U HE Presswerks
Really is not much difference in these, I’ll keep my money and stick with the eaves version I have
the Lindell...actually has more an analog Color to it
UAD on Bass Guitar
Waves on Drums
Lindell SBC or DMG Track Comp on Mix Bus
thats were they probably sound the best at....
I'm sorry, but this comparison is rather useless. If I were just to talk about the results, the Lindell would have the least Punch and the Waves the most punch. However this is clearly due to the very different amounts of gainreduction. You can't just match all settings. Match those you can (because they behave similar) but adjust those that need adjusting... if people complain about that, let them complain. They are obviously less knowledgeable and will eventually learn.
Check out the update to this video. I tested them again with matched gain reduction.
Wow waves...blew these guys away on Drums....LOL
The Lindell is a disappointment for me. It isn't as snappy as the other API emulation.
Gotta stick with DMG Audio Track Comp 2 or waves.
The lindel sounds like it’s barely compressing. The UAD sounds best here but I’ve heard other demos where the lindel is calibrated and sounds way better than both of them. The waves to me sounds like a joke. It seems to kill sustain from the sound. I dont personally get why people would like that one but each to their own.
Waves version is like 15 years old 👎
Lindell is the newest with better tech
Good plugins are timeless, like good hardware. We still use hardware that was made in the 70s on modern records every day.
Especially old Waves Renaissance plugins are still being used by many a man, still one of the best plugins ever, age tells you nothing!
@@gianocastello7706 the old Ren bundle is used by professionals not because of superior sound but for compatibility. Everyone owns the Ren bundle so it's easier to share projects. Plus they don't sound bad, but that doesn't mean they sound great either.
what tech? do you mean the actual human brain behind the algorithm? Waves is garbage made without any interest in your sound... They make plugins for idiots buying into hype.