Mormon Racism: Past and Present
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Here is a repost of my original video.
I made this video early in 2023, after researching the topic of Racism in the LDS church, particularly in regards to Blacks and the priesthood.
If you are an earnest seeker of truth, I hope you find these videos helpful. I would love to hear your own ideas and feedback. Thank you for being here.
Here are some links to free online sources of the Book of Mormon. I use these in my studies because they are free from distracting and misleading chapter headings and footnotes:
www.holybooks....
archive.org/de...
You nailed it! I thought I was speaking as you said exactly what I believe, and you taught me a lot about how The Book of Mormon should have prevented this horrible scourge, had it only been read and believed by all the prophets and apostles from BY on down.
I concur that I see the current LDS outreach to blacks as patronizing while ignoring taking the much needed accountability for these past wrongs.
"If any man writes to you, or preaches to you, doctrines contrary to the Bible, the Book of Mormon, or the Book of the Doctrine and Covenants (I would add also add the Pearl if Great Price), set him down as an imposter." Joseph Smith
😂😂😂 go read Galatians
At 16:00, the original purpose of Affirmative Action was to undo centuries of "preferred practices" AGAINST Black people. I cant speak for Mormons because I don't know any and they've never really been on my radar (but as someone interested in learning, I find myself watching this video), but in general I push back on your assertion of reverse racism, although I'll concede that therle's a difference between the LDS and the US Government in that regard.
lol Martin Luther literally wrote a book on how to eliminate the Jews that was used by the Hitler. Moses would only let members of his family have the priesthood. It easy to make anything in the past look bad if you judge it through current culture.
Great information!
Amen brother! I cannot even begin to express how great full I am that the Lord is showing LDS people how deeply troubling LDS doctrine is and just how much the Book of Mormon teaches against and/or does not support the LDS beliefs.
Totalmente, desde que cayó la trompeta de Moroni, Dios está revelandonos su voluntad a través del Espíritu Santo 1 Nefi:13:17
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord Jesus Christ's true Church on earth. This channel is just another anti-LDS Church, anti-Joseph Smith site.
The mark of the curse put on Cain was a black skin. The narrator speaking is anti-LDS. The Church of Jesus Christ is based on Revelation from the Lord. God and Christ both, together, personally appeared to 14-year-old Joseph Smith in the Spring of 1820.
Joseph Smith's desire was that the U.S. government buy the slaves and then set them free.
El libro de mormón es la palabra de satanas
I find it interesting that no one ever speaks of Simon the Canaanite, one of the original twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ. Christ did not deny this lineage, or race the opportunity to hold the priesthood.
The Greek word use to describe Simon is not actually the same word used to describe people from Canaan. It's a translation issue. If interested you can read this article explaining it. That said, Peter's vision in Acts 10 shows that God is not a respecter of persons and second Nephi chapter 26 makes it pretty clear that God does not bar anyone based upon their ethnicity.
newtheologicalmovement.blogspot.com/2011/10/st-simon-canaanite-not-from-canaan-and.html?m=1
"In some versions of the Bible (such as the Amplified Bible), Simon is called Simon the Cananaean, which is from the Aramaic word for zealot." I did a bit of research on this. There are a few different explanations, but most of what I have read suggests this term was not in reference to Simon's race.
Thank you thank you! So well said. ❤
Religion places barriers between God and his people when none truly exist
would you say that i should more often trust the words of scripture and joseph smith then? seeing as how it only took the 2nd prophet to introduce misconceptions.
For myself, I have the most confidence in the words of Jesus Christ that he spoke personally or through angels to trustworthy people. And I find those words in the Book of Mormon. Everything else that used to make up my canon of scripture is suspect to me at this time.
Imagine Pte Nelson (I don't say prophet) at this moment supporting slavery of the same type that Brigham Young supported temporarily and philosophically.
Imagine brother Nelson being an investor in a Dutch company which would go with its army to poor countries in Africa to kidnap families and people of black skin?
Imagine the church farm in Florida full of slaves working under the sun just for a plate of food?
Imagine the State of Utah in the days of Brigham Young in full practice of slavery and that the Northern States would have attacked them for being part of the Southern States? Wouldn't it have been a giant shame today???
Imagine the church and the State of Utah today practicing racism just as Brigham Young endorsed?
Let's see how many minutes that State and the Church lasted today??????
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Imagínense al Pte Nelson (no digo profeta) en este momento apoyando una esclavitud del mismo tipo que Brigham Young apoyó temporal y filosóficamente.
¿Imagínense al hermano Nelson siendo un inversor en una empresa holandesa que iría con su ejército a los países pobres de África para secuestrar familias y personas de piel negra?
¿Imagina la granja de la iglesia en Florida llena de esclavos trabajando bajo el sol solo por un plato de comida?
¿Imaginense el Estado de Utah en los días de Brigham Young en plena práctica de la esclavitud y que los Estados del Norte los hubieran atacado por ser parte de los Estados del Sur? ¿No hubiera sido una gran vergüenza hoy?
¿Imagínense la iglesia y el estado de Utah practicando el racismo tal como lo apoyó Brigham Young?
A ver cuantos minutos dura hoy ese Estado y la Iglesia??????
I agree with much of what you said but need to clear up a myth that has been popularized by hollywood for so many years. Slavery of black africans by black africans was alive and well long before white slavers came on the seem. The warring dominating tribes would war against peaceful tribes and carry off the people to be use in whatever way they desired. They made pacts with white slavers once they came on the scene. Most slaves were sold to them by these warring tribes. Seldom was there the hollywood movie style of raids. There were even black plantation owners who owned and abused black slaves here in the US. Shocking to learn a hidden truth.
@@icecreamladydriver1606 one thing is that, and that doesn't forgive Brigham Young of his sins. He also murdered Lamanites. Try to study about the Timpanogos massacre.
I would never try to excuse BY. He is at the top of my puke list. @@federicoeco9030
Appreciate your view and documented support of Mormon racism. However, I lovingly want to point out your blind spot when it comes to continued racism taught in the BoA and especially the Book of Mormon.
You are so kind in pointing that out. While I personally do not believe the BoA was inspired, and was instead an attempt to extend the Old Testament and top-down structures, I have thought often of doing a video on the Book of Mormon claims of racism. I hear and see many anti-BoM influencers beat the racism drum and it deserves an honest discussion.
@MormonRescue Would love to hear your take on it because, if I were investigating Mormonism and reading to know if the book was from God, I would be alarmed at the descriptions give to those who God gives a dark skin and calls filthy. Thank you for considering it.
@@dannylarsen4290it was their countenance their actions their harden heart and stiff necks that made them filthy God is no respecter of Person therefore if all men will come unto Christ we all have the opportunity to be redeemed and made clean if we believe in God come unto him aa with God giving them a dark skin to distinguish them from others i believe to be so
@@MormonRescueif you dont believe the book of mormon was inspired then that would mean that you dont believe joseph was a prophet. Under these conditions it seems quite odd to me that you would be teaching from the book of mormon and talking about what it says to us about us. That would make all the work you have done very fraudulent. Now i am confused to say the least. Yes i hope you do a video on this subject to maybe clear things up one way or the other. Thanks.
I am going to repost a reply I made to another comment.
This is an interesting comment. Having read the Book of Mormon many times it has led me to believe that we are all equal in God's eyes. One of the most notable chapters is second Nephi chapter 26. There are quite a few verses in that chapter that make the point that all are sought after by God and that none have been forbidden to come unto him. Verse 33 is the most clear as it states, "...he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile."
Additionally, in Jacob, it's pretty clear that the Nephites think that they're better than the Lamanites. However, Jacob points out that they are not better, and in fact, the Lamanites are doing a better job of producing loving families. Lastly, I think it's important to point out that at some point in the Book of Mormon the Lamanites are more righteous than the Nephites and there is a lamanite prophet. This is evidence that God is not a respecter of persons. It's these examples that made me realize that the church's stance on blacks was completely incorrect.
So, let's get a few things straight. The fact that a man is called to serve as an apostle or as the president of the Church does not take away his free agency. In fact. free agency is so sacred, that even God does not get in the way of decisions and opinions which his servants can and will make from time to time. In other words, these individuals can and may make mistakes from time to time, but the Lord's work cannot be thwarted. The ban on priesthood and temple access to blacks can be attributed to three things that you have loosely touched on.
1. Incorrect interpretation of scriptures (Curse of Cain, curse of Ham, etc.) ... neither of these or any other scripture supports a ban to those who may have come from either lineage. While those individuals were denied blessings of the priesthood, nowhere does it indicate that it would apply to their descendents.
2. Incorrect assumption that blacks had been somehow less faithful in the pre-mortal life and as such now had to suffer without the priesthood. This was an idea first espoused by Orson Pratt, but again, completely incorrect and without any scriptural or revelatory evidence.
3. Failing memory - several apostles and presidents in the early 1900s turned to an assumption that the ban on blacks had existed since the times of Joseph Smith - again, incorrect and without an actual basis for it. Joseph ordained at least two black men to the Melchizedek priesthood and at no time taught that they should withhold the priesthood from them.
You can blame Brigham Young and many others for incorrectly interpreting things in accordance with the above. As we progressed through the 20th century, most of the presidents refused to re-visit the topic even though many like David O. McKay moved closer to removing certain practices. Spencer W. Kimball was the first to take it upon himself to seek out unanimity among the Q of Twelve and in doing so, seek approval from the Lord to lift the ban. Bruce R. McConkie, Boyd K. Packer, and Thomas S. Monson provided a thorough report to the first presidency which once again, validated the fact that there was no scriptural defense for a ban on the priesthood and temple.
In the end, it was an error on the part of many who were also influenced by societal norms and perspectives. However, the Lord's work moves forward despite these errors. His servants (men and women) are not without error yet the Lord uses them to the best of their ability to carry his work forward.
"Beware of false prophets... ye shall know them by their fruits" - Jesus Christ (3 Nephi 14:15)
And....? The only reason you cannot critique ancient prophets or the apostles of the NT is because you don't have enough detail of their day-to-day life, everything they said, etc. No one is perfect. Peter denied knowing the Savior, etc.
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Your detailed list is not the heart of the racism issue, as I expect men of logic to come up with reasonable explanations for why the church does what it does. What the heart of the matter is, that, when they lifted the priesthood ban, church leaders explained that God had changed His mind. Official Declaration 2 uses phrases such as “in God’s eternal plan” and “He has … confirmed that the long-promised day has come”. It would have been more sincere for them to say, “Oops, we made a mistake.”
@@shr19964 that day May still come if you are waiting for those exact words. In several general conference talks Elder Quentin Cook and outlets have already indicated that the decisions and ideas of those previous to 1978 were wrong. If you are waiting for an actual apology, fine. That day may come, but until then you have your excuse.
The priesthood ban has been determined to have been a misinterpretation of scripture.
No Sir it was not. if we follow that narrative, then we must also believe the premortal and afterlife story was a misinterpretation? No it wasn't even scripture. Sorry
Didn't abraham or moses made the lord repented of his evil ways???
Moses
And that was an incorrect translation, from what I’ve understood
You are one of the most knowledgeable and interesting Mormon I have ever encountered. The only seed of error is that you view the Book of Mormon as inspired. I see you as a modern day Apollos meaning that you are teaching sincerely from what you know but may lack direction as to the truth of the scriptures. Here is the truth. All the truth that you say comes from the Book of Mormon is actually from the Bible. The New Testament revealed who Christ is and his seeking to save all that are lost. Joseph Smith simply reorganized the Bible to fit a false narrative that has a ring of truth but at its core is not what God intends. If you question the former president’s and prophets then you should question Joesph Smith. His claims do not stand and it is not worth risking your soul salvation on a lie. I do appreciate you acknowledging the wrong and false doctrine espoused since Brigham Young. That admission garners much respect in my eyes. In the past when I mentioned what you are saying to Mormons they often attempt to sidestep the issue
I appreciate your comments and the direction you are taking. While we may disagree about the Book of Mormon, I believe that the parts it has that mirror the bible contain the gospel of Jesus Christ, which points us to salvation.
I hope I can learn and live that gospel and that we can walk Christ's path together!
Not quite sure I understand what people would have side-stepped. The BoM echoes much of the teachings of the OT and NT because Christ is the same God of the OT (Jehova) and the NT (Jesus Christ). As such, his teaching should be the same to all on the earth and their record should not differ from the others since it is the same gospel. Your issue may be in accepting that Christ may have appeared to others and as such, created another record of scripture. That is up to you to decide, but think of it this way ... did not Christ himself indicate in the NT that he had other sheep which where not of that fold and that he must go unto them?
Now do a video on how racist the book of mormon is.
This is an interesting comment. Having read the Book of Mormon many times it has led me to believe that we are all equal in God's eyes. One of the most notable chapters is second Nephi chapter 26. There are quite a few verses in that chapter that make the point that all are sought after by God and that none have been forbidden to come unto him. Verse 33 is the most clear as it states, "...he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile." Additionally in Jacob it's pretty clear that the Nephites think that they're better than the Lamanites. However, Jacob points out that they are not better, and in fact, the Lamanites are doing a better job of producing loving families. Lastly, I think it's important to point out that at some point in the Book of Mormon the Lamanites are more righteous than the Nephites and there is a lamanite prophet. This is evidence that God is not a respecter of persons. It's these examples that made me realize that the church's stance on blacks was completely incorrect.
@@freesaints a white person created a narrative to explain the origin of native Americans. The author of the book of Mormon claims that native Americans are the descendents of wicked, cursed people. The narrative includes several episodes of white saviorism.
I don't give god or Jesus a pass for the neglect they demonstrated by letting the LDS church withhold essential covenants and ordinances from some of mankind.
A simple critique from someone who has not likely read the BoM but based his opinions on one or two verses (out of context) or perhaps a 20 second clip on social media. I think
@aaronsawyer5538 has shared several valid points in terms of what the BoM actually teaches regarding racism. This is not to say there was no racism in the BoM amongst communities, but I do not see that much different from life in the 20th Century in USA and abroad.
How can you be in a racist religion that has living prophets that claim that god speaks to them and they speak the word of god???
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