Lucy Letby: Will her case be reopened? | Newstalk
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2025
- A panel of medical experts working with the defence team of convicted serial killer Lucy Letby said they believe the 35-year-old did not commit the murders.
Pat Kenny os joined by Mark Paul ( Irish Times ) to discuss the development in the case.
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There is a bit of misinformation here Lucy letby has not been allowed to appeal her conviction on two occasions so when news talk says she has lost two appeals that's not correct she has been refused the right to appeal twice. There is a big difference in that summation by news talk
Who in their right mind would want to work as a nurse in the NHS after this case. It's despicable how Lucy Letbys court case has been handled from the very beginning. She was a scapegoat.
Thank-you, excellent interview!
I hope there will be consequences for those doctors and consultants who accused her. We should know more about their incompetence and negligence. Dewi Evans will have nowhere to hide.
She should be released! No crimes only medical negligence and not by her either!
@@hubbert22 Exactly.
@@hubbert22 the way i can see it going is it will be fast tracked to an appeal there will be no retrial as it will be a massive waste of money and time and she will be free to go with a huge amount of money.
for example, she was accused of turning off the alarm for apnea. But the alarm never rang because the baby was gasping... the baby never stopped breathing for more than 20 seconds (20 is the threshold). for every incident, the strongest argument by prosecution was destroyed by the new experts panel in the same manner.
@Topazdice and what was she doing ABOUT the baby gasping, as she stood there?
@@HumanimalChannel Big assumption!
@@HumanimalChannel
And what was Jayaram doing while the baby was supposedly gasping ?
What sort of Doctor would just sit there and do nothing ??
Jayaram said he looked at his watch and that’s why he knew the time, yet in the second trial it was discovered that the Police had got the door data wrong and the other nurse actually walked in at the time he stated, he said the other nurse walked out
It's not like British Justice ever got it wrong !! The Medical Profession is another sacred cow, we cannot criticise. Yes we can and it looks like Lucy Letby is a scapegoat taking the fall to protect her " betters ".
Mind your own business
@@KMartin-t4r What an idiotic remark.
No it isn't an idiotic remark. This case is none of Ireland's business.
@@TGcomments
@@KMartin-t4r Injustice anywhere is everyone's business.
@TGcomments No it isn't "everyone's business", and this isn't a case of injustice. It's a case of Muchausens By Proxy. In the UK it's an open secret as to what the reason behind Letby doing this is.
Stop sticking your noses into British issues.
Mind. Your. Own. Business.
Too many cases of wrongful convictions that organisations are involved with!
Powerful organisations rule the workers just cannon fodder.
Too many?
You should be able to name loads so.
Go ahead... I'll wait...
Retrial needed urgently. Prayers for TRUTH ❤
Won't be no retrial, she will just have her case thrown out and she will go free.
We need open/televised court systems like the US
No we don't. And Ireland should mind their own business
I live in UK & done 34 years in the NHS🖕🏼🖕🏼
We all like to be opinionated ,almost opinions on personal feelings , 14 of the most established people across the world including the man who’s paper was used wrongly put this panel of highly regarded people the utmost importance to listen to other than ignorance of social media. Genuinely the best neonatal people on record explaining nothing but facts.
None of there are forensic pathologists
If she's innocent of course it needs to be looked at and soon
This is just another dreadful miscarriage of justice and the whole system needs to take a long hard look at itself. How this was ever allowed in court is mind boggling.
Free Lucy!!!!!!
Total miscarriage of justice .
Shocking, so the people who blamed her where involved in the care of the children also. Hmm.
The whole system absolutely stinks
Interesting case, very hard to know...the expert witnesse appears to be not such an expert after all....and he went looking for the job.
After reading John Grisham books (ex lawyer), the fees paid for 'experts' is part of the story
@@gwyneth7812anyone who thinks this brutal situation can be shared with a novel means something wrong, Grisham fans could comment on every situation. Mafias , corruption , child welfare , this is real
@gwyneth7812 definitely....in this case...and he takes pride in successful convictions...so he was batting for the prosecution, happily. He changed his mind about the cause of deaths, of some babies after leatbys conviction, in interviews, I believe...I'm not saying she's completely innocent...but its a strange case...problems with antiquated plumbing in the ward too..leading to dangerous pathogens in a sink I believe
They were pro bono, not paid a penny, even paid for their own transport to the UK. Dr Lee made it mandatory that their findings be published, whether they were in favour of Letby or not. And he approached defence, after hearing his 1988 article was used inappropriately to explain babies dying. If you’re going to bad mouth people, try getting the facts right beforehand.
@JohnJKelly-f3l I'd put money on her being completely innocent, having heard the expert panel yesterday and John Sweeneys excellent podcast series. If the ccrc sends it back to the court of appeal I'll be amazed if she's not freed. Overwhelming doubt now.
Dr Dewi Evan’s offered himself to the police, as an ‘independent witness’
Pfff whatever for?! Dewi spoke a lotta sense!
@ Not according to the 12 international & completely independent experts. The man was retired & put himself forward. I’m going with the knowledge of true independent experts, including the 1989 research used by the prosecution.
@@jackiecorbett8476 I've listened to both Demi and listened to other "experts" . So i found myself agreeing with Dewi's views! Cos those cases had unexplained, sudden collapses which were wholly unnatural! Besides Dewi wasn't the only expert. There were other medical consultants who shared with Dewi's points.
@@jackiecorbett8476 It doesn't matter exactly how those you know we're affected because Lucy's guilt was obvious. Perhaps there were initial errors about how she carried them out whether its the insulin or embolism stuff. She's still guilty regardless!
He's an ignorant fool, paid by the police to review records he had no business reviewing. He'd just be pathetic if he wasn't such a despicable persistent bearer of false witness.
It has always been obvious Lucy was 100% innocent. It has always been 100% obvious she was stitched up
It hasn't. The evidence is actually quite damning. This case just proves that slippery snakes either side can argue a win.
@@ZoeBarker-n8z How do you know?
@@ZoeBarker-n8zThe evidence the prosecution had has now been trashed by the top 20 medical experts there won't even be a retrial this will be fast tracked to an appeal and she will walk free and it will happen very soon.
@@ZoeBarker-n8z
But there’s no actual evidence
@@bobrussell3602 I don't know, no one does, but there was enough evidence to convict her. Now, I agree that nursing and medicine in general is a profession of blame and pin saving, but something is up with the situation. I think that a lot of people don't want to acknowledge that there are people capable of killing children in a quite ruthless manner.
Read the daily Mail article today ,casting positive doubt on a total circumstantial conviction .
This is awful…this should have been looked at prior to sentences given…other reasons for the deaths ..especially if this was a concern in the system
Not Guilty
Wrong she's GUILTY!
There's no murders.
@@jettser17UKwas you there? No so keep quiet
@@jaysbakes37 Can ask the same for YOU! So unless you wanna look at the evidence which implicates her guilt then keep quiet! 😏
@@jettser17UK no you can’t, I don’t know if she is or not guilty, but as there is not 100% proof she did it so you can keep quiet & she should be released.
How many peer reviewed publications has prosecution expert Dr D Evans published?
zero?
None I believe
ZERO.
That has nothing to do the facts of a case.
Medical experts from around the world are saying there is no case because there's no murders .
Free Lucy Letby! Who would want to be a Nurse after this miscarriage of justice! This Poor Woman, I stand by her 100%,!
Here here!
This collective examination of the original evidence by worldwide medical experts has to be accepted as new evidence.
The appeal courts judgement that the original evidence cannot be questioned makes the whole judicial system seem at least
impotent or worse, open to corruptive coverup by the prosecution witnesses. If management allowed the ward to be staffed by
incompetent doctors/staff then Lucy Letby may have found herself in a very difficult position with unapproachable seniors for backup.
@@simont1108 new opinions on old evidence count for nothing in appeals
It's dangerous to be nurse, yes, it is great that you can help people but once you make a mistake, you are criminally responsible.
The conviction obviously doesn't pass the sniff test, it certainly doesn't now!
Newstalk doesn't pass the sniff test on a daily basis.
I’m amazed that PK didn’t blame Trump on it, good to see him beat a different drum.. All joking aside, the dogs on the street knew Lucy Lethby’s conviction was unsafe
If substantial portions of evidence are wrong she should be retried!
All the evidence is wrong.
Re tried for what crime? These medical experts are saying there's no murders.
According to the experts no crime was committed it was due to sub optimal care and a terrible hospital.
this is true, I've always thought she deserved a retrial as hers wasn't fair. But how do you retry someone for murders that didn't happen? That opens up another can of worms. My daughter is training to be a nurse, I don't want her to join an organisation that throws people under the bus like this.
@@honved1 to my nonlegal mind, a conviction can't be undone without a court process of some kind. What if she's guilty of just some of the convictions? It needs to be retried inmo.
Also it's probably the best way to work out where and what went wrong.
Justice needs to be done, but also seen to be done so people can have confidence in the legal system. Thanks for responding
It is now being said that she was told to write the letter saying that she was responsible but I don't recall them saying that at the time of the trial
Nope
Remember if it's 2025 and you dare to challenge a possible miscarriage of justice your a conspiracy theorist
@@sundaynight1987 I've never heard that.
This case must be reopened and investigated to make sure that there is no miscarriage of justice.
I agree needs to be reopened. Also I would support bail until this has been resolved. Shocking miscarriage of justice.
It does make u wander about the wider issues with the British legal system...
Most definitely this case should be reopened. She was a scapegoat for the mistakes the hospital made. All the evidence that was presented was circumstantial.
It's hard to believe the hospital management, the media, and the justice system. And what about her diary? It's all so disturbing.
Establishment exposed again,,those responsibile should face trial and lucy freed immediately,,don't hold your breath ,,king charles and starmer should be addressing the people of this country now ,its a national disaster putting us all in danger
Thats a awful lot of babies dieing on her watch . So what happened to them all ?!
@@theunforgiven2885 well according to the most eminent neonatologists in the world who thoroughly reviewed every case in their own time without being paid: natural causes and systemic hospital failures.
This poor woman 😢
Poor babies she murdred
@@eddierose6442 not according to 14 world leading medical experts, but I am sure you new that
@@wil-p7t leading medical experts 😆 😆 😆
@@eddierose6442 strange behaviour if you think its funny,very strange, I think you dont like what you hear maybe
@@wil-p7t 😴
This case must be reopened and investigated in case there is a miscarriage of justice.
Its now the point that a respected person has gone so far as to convene a panel of experts to preserve the integrity of his paper because it was mis used in a prosecution that now basically means it would have to be stricken along with the extrapolated links they used or the prosecution will be forced to prove they used it properly .
i think a better option would be convene an independent panel to have every nda concerning hospital , staff , managers and contractors over a 20 year period opened lets find what's bin hidden .
She is innocent.
Who is more experienced regarding Neonates ? Expert Neonatologists or Paediatricians ?
Serious question
Hope not. Waste of time and money.
Wait a few years and conclusive evidence will turn up. Then take action.
Come on Mr Prime Minister and lawyer Keir Starmer do something like order a review of Lucy Letby case.
More like medical as doctors error.
He is not the home secretary, it is not his role.
@ He is lawyer.
@@kirkhunter146 True he Prime Minister he talks to his minister. Nothing happens with out the boss on side.
Free Lucy
They it's needs a retrial.
Spend the next four or five months going through all the evidence in this case as I have done and I bet you will reach the same conclusion as I did that the conviction was unsafe.
Wow! This is crazy 😢 I thought for sure she was guilty! If all of this is a miscarriage of justice then there needs to be a retrial.
That case will not be reopened. Too many professional careers at risk and government positions given the gravity of trial.
I seem to remember it being reported at the time that they found notes belonging to Lucy pointing towards her guilt ??? ... were the press lying ???
@@martinkelly9763 she was told to write them by her psychiatrist
@@SalimKhan-gk1fhtotal lies
I always said this didn’t sit right from the start poor poor girl
Should the judiciary be held to a higher moral code and should the right of appeal be prevented on procedural basis. I feel ashamed of our legal system for a number of reasons. Not wishing to be disrespectful but they represent our version of fairness and not the arbitrary justice in other areas of the world
One wonders if ethics and the law can coexist?
The whole trial sounds unethical.
She should be released immediately for God's sake. It's a disgrace I said it from the very start. Shame on each one of them. God bless you Lucy❤ ❤❤❤😢
Asta Juskauskiene another prisoner in the UK is also innocent and is a mother of three...(google her and see her profile). Corruption within the judicial process and police process/CPS all put her away without one tiny piece of validated evidence against her. Sadly the UK judicial process for high profile cases relies on firstly the newspapers doing their dirty work printing the case ahead of the hearing and the jury who are 'not supposed to read the papers' (hello) go with the back story and convict the person so many times. As long as the prosecution mentions the newspaper headings during trial it is then legal to have printed it. From day 1 i said Lucy was innocent as her defence council said there was no evidence against her....just like the Asta Juskauskiene case
We can't have innocent people rotting in jail now. Can we, while the guilty go out and about free as a bird.
If the panel of experts are right the verdict isn’t safe and has to be quashed. The problem is that the NHS and the Establishment ALWAYS want to cover up the truth if it places them in a bad light.
The miscarriage of justice would be if she goes free.
@@richardredmond1463 your facts?
@@Kward1he will have no facts, and the worry is people with that mindset are doing jury duty giving their testimony to put someone to prison, you can have brilliant lawyers on both sides and when it’s circumstantial it purely for 12 people to just make the opinion, so regardless of anything some cases are purely put to 12 normal people put through a situation that they have never experienced and have to choose between guilty or innocent
Lets lock you up as a scapegoat, shall we?
Forget all the evidence then. I’m not surprised they want to open up this case again for this WW.
You got it wrong. No case will be reopened because there's no murders and an endless line of medical experts from around the world are confirming that.
The conviction will remain the same. I believe
@@BarnaySlb it may but she will be getting a re trial
@@BarnaySlb doubt it son.
@@Sirwren50that will take another 2 years.. however Lucy should be released..
@ I reckon re trial defo will take a while should walk but either way British justice system you never know ✔️💯💫
Those who choose to ignore the overwhelming and circumstantial evidence which proves her absolute guilt are dummies! 🤦♂️😏
Please enlighten me with her guilt? In fact please don't bother.
@@sallybutler1005 Yes, it is a waste of time dealing with people who have significant emotional/personality problems.
Exactly
@sallybutler1005 What's the point?! Seems that dummies like you have already made their minds up despite our points attempts to prove otherwise! Anyway debates are not easy to discuss on these channels!
@@sallybutler1005 Don't worry I won't! Seems that those like you have already made up their minds, despite our points to prove otherwise! Anyway d€b>>tes are not easy to discuss on these channels!
Another labour council coverup
What has the council got to do with it?
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Please mind your own business, Ireland. This has nothing to do with you. Keep your nose out.
@KMartin-t4r your an idiot.
Shut up.
She's guilty end of. Doctors rushed in saving babies whilst she did nothing. Huge rise and LL was always with them. Stop blaming the wonderful other doctors and nurses who helped the babies everyday.
@@nickychargreaves1111 you sound very ignorant.
Have you seen the records of the infant deaths before her, and now? Seriously asking
@GeorginaJett I'm following facts! I don't blame for the sake of it. I see the good in people. A panel of her peers also agreed.
Court of your back yard ??? Did you even listen to the evidence of the international experts ???
Get another booster for yourself
@stephenbrewer2541 yes if you watch the trial and evidence the mortality rate significantly rose and LL was the common denominator each time. That's why it was questioned in the first place. Also doctors rushing in whilst LL did nothing. Also a substance found in their system plus moved tubes from the babies mouths. LL was in charge every time.
This woman might not have killed all but she definitely caused the death of most. If she was black you would not be saying she is not guilty, this woman kill some of these babies.
What does the colour of her skin have to do with it. Racist.
Ladies & gentleman listen to this genius here. "It" is using the argument of racism to support a wrongful conviction.
Yeah, let's convict her because she's white.
It's all men think Lucy Letby is not guilty. Very strange? Lucy wrote she did it?
She also wrote “I’ve done nothing wrong” “why is this happening to me?” do you just ignore that because it doesn’t suit.
Most people I have encountered that believe this to be a miscarriage of justice are female.
How do you know it's all men? plenty of coward internet names being used on this comment section, any of them could be female.
Guess what? There are some women who think she's not guilty, too! You need to read Lucy's writing again, and not just the highlighted sections that the media showed you.
Lucy Letby will spend the rest of her life in prison..... Please get over it. This is just boring now.
@@briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206 Wrong.
@@edward92128 Don't hold your breath waiting for her to get released 🤣😆
@@briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206 Why would I hold my breath. I couldn’t care less about her. I don’t know her
Your coward internet name has never been more ironic. Amazing how folk just type rubbish when they are too cowardly to use their given name.
Maybe one day you'll find your locked up for a crime you did not commit. Who will come to your rescue?
this interview is embarrassingly uniformed and naive, there is an excellent book by two panorama journalists called unmasking lucy letby
@@johnwaldron6519 there was nothing to unmask. Flawed medical evidence, no motive, no psychological evidence. The whole thing was a made up sham. It was purely medical malpractice. Btw, I would take panorama with a pinch of salt. Their integrity has been wanting at times.
LOL BBC Journalists. Bet that's not biased in any way. 🙈
I did comment but it appears to have been deleted 🤷♀️
I think more credence should be given to 14 medical experts the best in their field rather than BBC journalists.
@@jhoneyb Well we have just found out the CIA has been paying the BBC through USAID.
Naah she's guilty. Who writes letter saying "I'm evil" and then hides it..
not according to 14 world leading medical experts
Has the mortality rate fallen since her conviction
the hospital unit was downgraded at the same time she left the unit, so they could not take babies as ill as before.
Please look up what a correlation-causation fallacy is.
What about her Notebook. Admitting she was Evil. And did it.
@@bountyhunter4949 there wasn't a notebook. It was scribbles on scrap paper, she was writing her feelings as advised by the NHS therapist. She FELT guilty, but feeling guilty is not an admission of guilt. It happens to most medical professionals no doubt
Should her case be reponed 🫣.....dah.
Are they f* serious.
Looks like she didn't do anything.