Focke-Wulf Ta 154 - the luftwaffe "mosquito"
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2012
- Designed by Kurt Tank and produced by Focke-Wulf late in World War II. The Focke-Wulf Ta 154 Moskito was a fast two-engine German night fighter aircraft
Kurt Tank's team at Focke-Wulf had been working for some time on a fast attack bomber aircraft called the Ta 211, so named because it planned to use an uprated Jumo 211R engine. The plane was a high-wing twin-engine design that bore a strong resemblance to the US' Grumman F7F Tigercat, and was built primarily of plywood bonded with a special phenolic resin adhesive called Tego film.[1] The only large-scale use of metal was in the pressurized cockpit.
The project's designation was changed to Reichsluftfahrtministerium (RLM-Ministry of Aviation) assignment number 8-154 (hence Ta 154) when it became apparent that the most suitable engine for the aircraft was the more powerful Jumo 213, and that Junkers could not deliver the Jumo 211-R in time due to technical and production problems. The 154 was also allocated the name "Moskito" as a form of recognition of the Royal Air Force's (RAF) de Havilland Mosquito. 
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Kurt Tank was probably the most gifted of the wartime airplane designers and made some the best fighters of the war!!
Always loved the elegant look of this aircraft .
A most beautiful "twin", only exceeded in my appreciation by the Whirlwind.
The German Moskito was a beautiful looking aircraft like Tanks other, the Condor
The Condor had a couple of faults. The rear wing spar was less than fantastic and it was not unknown for a "hard" landing to cause the aft fuselage to collapse to the ground. I found a photo of the latter and used it as a screen saver on my lap top, adding the title "It's that Condor moment" from a tobacco advert. A colleague saw the photo, with its large swastika on the tail and went almost ape, even when I explained that the plane was a write-off and the comment added to the humour.
Wow, I'm glad I found this channel. These videos are incredibly interesting.
A beautiful little documentary on one of the more interesting prototype aircraft of World War 2, the German Ta-154 "Moskito" answer to the UK's original iconic Mosquito. Kurt Tank's late war twin was a high performance, heavily armed, bomber buster pressed by exigency into the nightfighter role.
The amazing thing about the Moskito is the ambitious nature of its proposed ordnance packages, which ran from six 2cm MG151/20 to six 3cmMk108 autocannon, with stops in between of a pair of 3cm Mk103 cannon and a pair of 2cm MG FF or MG151/20 cannon. The Nightfighter variants were further mounted with a pair of "Diagonal Music" MG151, aimed up and out over the pilot's chair to catch bombers from their most vulnerable spot: behind and below. That six pack of 3cm Mk108s might've not been accurate outside of pistol range, but, in combination, they could've taken out anything smaller or less well armored than a Klingon Battle Cruiser.
For high performance twins in its weight class there were few enough, though the Pe-2bis2, P-38L, were rough equivalents in raw parameters of size, weight, and power. Against these the Ta-154 looks pretty good, having the highest rate of climb and a top speed matching that of the late model P-38. Indeed, the only twin that could beat her in the kind of off center ballet twins perform when trying to shoot one another down would've been the beautiful, but ill-fated, Westland Whirlwind. I don't mention the Mosquito FB versions, as they weren't meant to haul around the sky like single seaters could. Tz-154, on the other hand, was designed to eat Mosquitoes from the ground up.
He only managed to build one which was destroyed in a bombing raid, so it never had any flight time to justify your claims
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Robert Willis there are ways of giving people additional information without insulting them. Try it.
TA-154 had a weak landing gear which ultimately doomed the design.
Wasn’t really a failure apart from the issues of sourcing reliable plywood and the problem of getting the more powerful Junkers 213 engines assigned it just didn’t make sense to go into the effort of large scale production when the jets were becoming available. It Could’ve done the job.
It had problems like the wooden cockpit breaking up in a crash landing and some problems with the landing gear but they had solutions.
Good Job spottydog keep up the good work, love your documentaries!!
There was nothing so capable and versatile as the legendary Mosquito.
Mosquito was just a mass produced plane with nothing but mediocre flight performance
Agreed! It was one of the most effective and capable aircraft of the war - and it was built mostly out of wood. It was effective at maritime attack, low level high speed attack, reconnaissance - both high and low level, bombing pathfinder, nightfighter, and was even used as a high speed courier aircraft. History has clearly proven it was one of the best aircraft of World War II.
@@markkover8040 and still its flight characteristics are mediocre at best
@@user-qn3xu5ee3tI completely disagree with you. I have no idea where you get the idea that it had 'mediocre flight characteristics.' From everything I've read, and from talking with our pilots that actually FLY one here at the Military Aviation Museum in Virginia Beach, VA where we have a fully operational Mosquito, the aircraft has EXCEPTIONAL flight characteristics. As our chief pilot has repeatedly said, it is a twin engine aircraft that flies like a high speed fighter, and you have to fly it as such. So unless you're talking about another airplane, your disparagement of the Mosquito is nonsense.
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t How about you provide some evidence? Everything I've read from Edward Bishop's book "Mosquito" to the conversations I was lucky enough to have with a couple of pilots says you are wrong. The pilots loved it. It wasn't _easy_ to fly but very few aircraft of that level of performance are. There's no question it was one of the best aircraft of WWII.
I would have thought it has more in common with the Tigercat than the Mossie
My Gramps flew DH-98's Mosquitos.
He told me when you pushed the throttles through the gate there was nothing like it!
They built them in my hometown where my Grandmother built them. Not only that the main flying schools where there also.
I don't think there were many places in the world that can say the greatest Allied plane was produced and flown from with the Aerodromes to the Allied flying schools were.
London Ontario Canada.
@Big Bill O'Reilly At least seven ticks drunk.
The first true multi-role fighter aircraft, it excelled at many tasks.
Kurt Tank was probably the most talented military aircraft designer of wwii, for sure when it came to fighters. Long nosed FW-190 did beat any other fighter but it was provided in very limited numbers, which is why they couldn't make any difference.
Hola Spotty;
You have a great selection of videoclips in you channel...thanks for having all that good stuff available.! Salud !
Interesting information about 'TEGO FILM' adhesive. I have experience of 'REDUX' which was used on the 'MOSSIE'. Something similar to Tego Film was also used by D.H.!
+David Daly Aerodux [U/F adhesive] was used on the DH Mosquito not Redux. Redux was developed in 1942 and was very different from Tego - although both used a phenolic resin. Redux was developed for bonding metals and was first used in the DH Hornet and Sea Hornet
+John Bishopp Ta So for that John. Redux was used at Laycock Engineering to attach the conical 'asbestos' linings on 'J' Type overdrives. I was really good for sticking down loose tiles on our awful Wimpy semi!
+David Daly Which Redux were you using, sounds like a brake-bonding adhesive rather than the R775 Film which was used in aerospace applications?Dave, I'm new to You Tube!! any idea as to how I can obtain a copy of this TA-154 film to add to a presentation of mine on the History of Adhesives?
A beautiful aircraft. Had it been developed in the 30's, it may have had a future but by 1943 the ME262 was the aircraft that Germany needed. Germany started the war with limited resources and these exotic aircraft soaked up much of these resources. Luckily, for the Allies, Germany chose to waste much of these resources on these aircraft and other "wonder weapons."
I love flying my Ta 154 "Moskito" in War Thunder !
Videos bastante inspiradoras, valeu apenas ver os videos.
"all made from wood" like this Ta 154 and many more aircrafts as well.
I think we might have been lucky. Sydney Cam stated that if it looks right, it’ll fly right. If looks were any meter of its performance, then it would have been a “Belter”. Tank was a gifted designer. With a proven track record. We were better off without this little darling .
That was a paraphrasing of Frank Lloyd-Wright; form follows function. Not that I was ever a F.L-W fan and not that he ever designed an aircraft...
What I find amazing is that they didn't even bother to change the name. Usually when a nation copies another nation's weapon system, they at least change the name and pretend they just happened to stumble upon the same idea independently. Here they built an all-wood fast-twin....and name it the same as the British all wood fast-twin. Brilliant....
I'm writing only now but it was a very interesting aircraft. Unfortunately for the Germans it was marred by many issues and never managed to have the more powerful engines so it could never developed it's true potential. Aside the loss of the factory, that was the only one producing the the Tego glue to bond together the plywood otherwise with the weaker glue kept breaking up, perhaps the worst characteristic of the Ta 154 was an extremely dangerous airplane to crash land because of it the positioning of it's wings that invariably tended to crash in the cabin killing the crew as the airplane couldn't absorb the crashes. I think that the crew of the British Mosquito had better chances to survive a crash landing!
I use this in war thunder with a very simple strategy: climb and hide in clouds, as I can see the players below me but they cannot see me, go behind them and dive on their six, fire a 1/4 second burst with them good mk108s, burn my target, and go back into the clouds
This aircraft was supposed to be the "mosquito killer". The only problem with that claim was germany hugely underrated just how great the mossie really was. They thought they could copy it, or maybe they were trying to better it. After all, it would need to be a hella lot better to even catch a mossie nevermind shoot it down. The germans made some amazing aircraft during ww2. But the mosquito was a one off, an aircraft that up until the jet age was simply the fastest fighter bomber ever made. And for over 3 years it was also the fastest ww2 aircraft period. There were no fighters that could even catch it, and thats what made it so great. Dehavilland were laughed at when they divulged there plans to build a light bomber with no guns to protect itself. It's protection was pure speed. And after a test flight for the air ministry, they couldn't get them built fast enough. There is an old saying in aircraft circles that if a plane looks good it usually flies good. The mosquito was not only good, it was in a league of its own.....
Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin Which plane was the fastest then?
Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin Agreed, but those are fighters not bombers. It was one of if not the fastest bomber until the jet era.
@Duchy of Mecklenburg-SchwerinUtter BULLSHIT !!! The P 38 NEVER flew faster than 414mph . Do a modicum of basic research before you comment on anything or else remain a TWATT all your life
@Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin the Mosquito prototype hit 437.
@@ploppysonofploppy6066 That was a late model, not the original.
Was it a film artifact, or did I see opposite-rotating propellers on that plane?
Wasn't there a problem with the glue they used? Something about it dissolving the wood fibers.
yes, the original formula was fine but when the factory creating it was destroyed the replacement (cheaper) was ultimately destructive. The Horten brothers had the same problem with the Ho-IX but they ended up making their own formula.
You are talking out off your arse, Kurt tank was a genius & he designed some excellent aircraft like the fw200 condor, fw-190 & after the war he went on to help Argentina develop their first jet aircraft & then he went to India to help with their fledgling aircraft industry. But i'm sorry mate i dont agree with your comment about the DH Mosquito being shit. It had the range to fly all the way to Berlin & back with a bomb load of 4000lb & a top speed of around 400mph...
More blunt frontal area than the mossie. Mossie had the radiator inlets in the front of the wing, avoiding adding frontal area. Their engine nacelle had a reflex curve ending in a sharp rear, having much less drag. If these two details would have been corrected, the 154, speed would have equaled or bettered the mossi"s
It would have been pressed into the daylight bomber role and it would have tangled with Mustangs and Thunderbolts
Ta 154 a unknown projet for more...
Adhesives was strangely one area Germany was always having problems with during WW2. Which seems odd, they had some of the best industrial chemists and managed to produce several other complex materials. Does anyone know what went wrong?
The factory happened to get itself bombed, that was went wrong. But tego film is in use again all over the world now, and has been for quite a few years.
They always had problems refining fuel too, even before the production facilities were bombed.
IN MEMORIAN ! Erich Hartmann Hans-Joachim Marseille. (Jagdgeschwader 52)
what series is this taken from?
A very nice plane, it would have been certainly a success as the original, and its rival with the same name of the RAF.
This aircraft was eclipsed in production and preformance by the He 219. That’s why more we’re not built ,that and short supply of suitable wood
Neither was up to the British Mosquito.
Me262 would be the real “Mosquito” of Luftwaffe.
Do any still exist?
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The first "composite" aircrafts (wood fibers instead of carbon or kevlar like nowdays )
Sorry, you are incorrect. The earlier DeHavilland Mosquito employed a composite of birch and balsa using a formaldehyde glue cured under pressure. A double-layer composite skin supplied much of the rigidity so only a minimum of internal bracing was needed inside the wing. This saved a great deal of weight without sacrificing strength. A layer of fabric was stretched over the finished components and then doped. Spruce was used in some parts of the airframe. My father, who crewed as a radar observer in the night fighter version, told me that Canadian production had a heavier airframe - presumably because balsa was not used as extensively as in the British-built airframes. Someone else can check on the latter, but I remember Dad telling me that Canadian machines were slower.
Amendment: TP-R, if you are saying that wood fibres were used - that is a cellulose type mulch made to produce dimensional sheets - then, AFAIK, you would be right.
T P-R
Many people and companies played with composite construction. Look at the Lockheed Vega fuselage. But production wise you may be correct.
@@lornespry Not just any Spruce, but Sitka Spruce from British Columbia. Much sot after and specifically chosen. Just like choosing masts for a sailing ship of old.
Inspired by the Mossie, which the Germans initially dismissed. Then they tried to copy it. Unsuccessfully.
The Mosquito was the SR-71 of its day. Intended as a spy plane, it was originally unarmed and defended itself by simply being too fast to catch. Even at the end of the war its speed was still credible. There were faster interceptors, but they had to have the "angle" on the Mossie, or a LOT of real estate to chase it down, or it would escape.
Unbelievable bomb load too. Because it had little defensive armament, and therefore no need for a crew to operate it (along with all the other stuff they need, such as oxygen, etc) it carried a heavier bomb load than the final development of the B-17.
The Mossie did, however, have a reputation as a very unforgiving bitch to fly. No "yanking and banking." You had to know exactly what you were doing. Just like the SR-71.
Mickey Bitsko _____ Not really, no. The specification for the Mosquito was as a bomber. You don't put a bomb bay in a reconnaissance plane.
Sounds like British Propaganda
The Germans could have simply copied the Mosquito verbatim without any problems. They tried their own designs and unfortunately some were turkeys, just as some designs of every other country were turkeys. They wouldn't have had the high quality pretrol for it, though. For a country that basically started from a military ground zero only 10 years earlier they did pretty damned well.
.Kurt Tank developed the Fw 187. Had they preceded with the manufacture this aircraft the Germans would have had an aircraft faster than the Mosquito and they would have had it in time for the Battle of Britain.. Instead the valuable DB601 engines went to the Me 110 and 109 and they kept forcing Kurt Tank to try to add rear armament and turn it into a Zerstörer which couldn’t word due to the weight and drag degrading its performance. The Fw 187 could take in single seat fighters due to its high speed and superior power to weight ratio. I could range and escort all over Britain. It could have given the Germans reconnaissance eyes over the U.K. The Fw 187 could be built with a forward facing rear cockpit for a radar operator navigator. It would have caught mosquitoes. One of the biggest opportunities ever missed.
Apart from the Radial engines it's not a bad looking aircraft... preferred the look of the HE 219 UHU though. Maybe "slightly" biased here... but the De Havilland Mosquito is far better looking than either.
Correction. The Ta-154 did not have radial engines. they were in-line Jumo V12 engines. they look like radials because of the circler radiators behind the props
Fair enough. They look like them, which is why I said that... otherwise it would look better ;)
@@EnterpriseXI As soon as I saw those cylindrical engine nacelles, I remembered the other bombers with Junkers Jumo V12 engines, not to mention the fact that they aren't wide enough to fit a ww2 era radial.
The Ta 154 was built around the Jumo 211 inverted V12 and to take the Jumo 213. The Jumo 211 engine was very good but it didn’t have quite enough power due to the need to use 87 octane fuel in it. (The allies used 100/130 fuel for everything but the Germans had to ration their C3 fuel mainly to BMW801 equipped fighters. Without the Jumo 213 the Ta 154 wasn’t up to it. By the time it was ready in late 1943 early 1944 it would be too late to set up production. The jets such as the Me 262 and AR 234 were coming on line then. This, along with the destruction of the TEGO film factory that laminated the plywood meant it made sense to cancel the aircraft. Kurt Tank even wanted it cancel it. It could have done the job but it wasn’t worth it when the Jets could be a real game changer. The annular radiators are very efficient as they have very low pressure loss due to their frontal area.
It's unfair to compare real planes like the Mosquito with fantasy prototypes like these. Only the DH Mosquito contributed anything significant to history.
The glue was the problem. Same with Australian-made Mosquitoes in the tropics (actually ANY Mossies in the tropics). Same with the Finnish VL Myrsky in Lapland. Terminated but those with the original glue and already in service proved their worth!
Interesting! And I will add that that the tropics did more than affect the adhesives. Mosquitoes that were repatriated from the tropics to more temperate climes sometimes arrived with insects that were eating the airframe. Now some people may scoff at this, but I got this info from my father. He was a radar tech on RAF 151 squadron, but flew many night patrols and intercepts in the right hand seat of the squadron's Mosquito night fighters. Because he was not officially aircrew, he could pick and choose when and what aircraft he would fly in. Since he was servicing the electronics in the squadron's aircraft, he knew something of their respective careers. If there was one that had returned from the tropics, he declined to crew in it. He surmised that some of the mosquitoes that inexplicably and fatally came apart in mid-air were victims of this maliaise.
Not true. By the time Australian-built Mosquitoes went into service, the glue/tropics thing had been solved.
These kinds of planes are the bane of every wargame. Ta-152, 154, Do-335, FW190-D-U-12 and a myriad others that were never built and therefore game designers are free to give them whatever magic powers they wish. Even worse are the Japanese planes that never fought in numbers, and the Italians for sheer fantasy.
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If I ever somehow get filthy rich, I'll probably sink a heap of money into building planes like this and the He 219 lol
That would be my dream as well
If you get the money, do something sensible mate, like building toilets in sub Saharan Africa.....
A fool and his money are soon parted !!
It's a pity that no examples survived the War.
Employed as a nightfighter in very small numbers I believe.
They only built one!!
Noooo…. Not many, but more than one!
Did You mean the TA Moskito or the de Havilland Mosquito?
The fim is talking about the German TA 154 not the british de Havilland Mosquito.
The 1st one was not used in large numbers, the number of built de Havilland Mosquito was more than 7000.
What made it a failure was the poor quality of the glue (casein based) used for assembling it, which deteriorated with the time and led to planes breaking down in flight. Its a pity, it was a very nice (even aesthetically) and capable plane.
My understanding is that the proper glue was unavailable due to B17s destroying the factory
Once again, Germany had too many rods in the fire. They planned for a short, quick war. Strategists wanted to wait until 44 to go to war.
One piece wing, just like mosquito
Aw com on..I love historical stuff, but this looks like a 5 min piece from a a better historical Brit 45-60 min piece or even a US one tracing history..Post the whole thing please!!!!
Any thing from US, GB, GR,USSR, FR...etc
Wooden wings with poor glue doomed this fighter and landed Kurt Tank in prison for a few days. Germany's Mosquito.
Wasnt Tanks' fault - he was scapegoated.....
RAF bombed the resins and glue factory , Tank was accused of treason for that , a stupid accusation that did not hold , typical of Goering.
@@fernandoi3389 No he was accused because he halted production.
Although note how much smaller the Ta 154 is than the British Mossie...not any bigger than a large fighter!
that is kind of Tank's signature. If you have ever seen a FW-190A in person what impresses you is how much smaller it is than other aircraft of its era. Seems about half the size of a P-47 and much smaller than a P-51D
For want of a nail . . .
It's not "tank." It's "Tahnk."
The DH Mosquito's combat record was much better.
rocketman63 Maybe because Ta 154 was only prototype?
It was better than the He-219 too.
Faster than a Mosquito, uses wood not much aluminum. Thank god they could not find glue to use.
They had glue, until the Goldmann Tego-film glue factory was bombed. It seems the formula for the glue was lost in the bombing (?). They switched to a substitute glue that caused seam failures by weakening the wood.
It wasn't faster than the British Mosquito. By the time this got to prototype stage the Mossie was already equipped with 1,600 hp engines, having started life at 1,030...
I should have called it the German mosquito I should have called it the dragonfly because dragonflies eat mosquitoes
Yeah, nah. The Mosquito crews had little to fear from this.
this plane is a beast on War Thunder
So the only real contribution of Tank towards Germany's machinery of war was the FW190 - which was soon outclassed by allied aircraft. No wonder Goering wanted him prosecuted.
Rubbish.
One can readily see the design flaws that make this aircraft difficult to maneuver, like the ponderous radial engines, for one.
You can see a radial engine? Your glasses must have a design flaw these are Jumo 211 N or 211 F V12 inverted inline engines.
So, are you implying that the Ju 88, Beaufighter, Hawker Fury, Corsair, Focke Wulf 190 blah blah were ponderous?
This is the only German aircraft not to be engaged by Mosquitos so obviously like the Arrow not much action. Mosquito engaged every other make was be it Do 217; He111,177,219; Ju88,188,290; Me109, 110,410,162, 262; FW190, 200 - even the Bv222. There is even a night camera shot of an exploding 163 on record!
Mark Balcombe z
Pray, how many TA 154s became operational?
@@paulbantick8266 None.
@@thethirdman225 Mr Balcombe above posted:
"This is the only German aircraft not to be engaged by Mosquitos so obviously like the Arrow not much action"
Which made me ask the question above. Methinks he thinks, that they actually became operational let alone came off the production line
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to late !
Sorry, this shit box couldn't come close to the Mosquitos...................
this plane simply did not affect the balance of power during the war. nazi's may have wanted this aircraft to fly fast, but it actually went 333mph; not comparable with ANY fighter. nazi's never made many examples of this as they already had the he219. and of course you haven't heard anything great about this plane either; even though it actually went into production and was used.
Mark Reina The Germans may have had the 219, but wouldn't push for it's production. Heinkel actually built a good number 'off the books' using parts (production was 'scattered' to various outsources, to keep allied bombing from a lucky 'kill shot') after the Luftwaffe wanted the 219 dead. The 219 did, however, debut well, taking on De Havilland Mossies without losses, and credited with 6 kills of those. I suspect surprise was the winning factor, but the Germans truly messed it up for themselves by not making the 219 a priority in production.
Raymond, we'll never know for sure, but my suspicion is that Griffon engines could have been used in a similar airframe, if needed. Spitfires and Seafires went that way very successfully.
Based on War Thunder game, the Ta 154 (Jumo 211) are faster, better climb & better maneuverability than He 219 & Mosquito due to its smaller size & weight. For combat role of hunting down Mosquito, the Ta 154 will do its job way better than the He 219 could.
War Thunder? Oh dear! another fantasist. The TA 154 did nothing but balls up its maiden flight. It was another overrated concept with no basis in fact and had no reliable performance data. The He 219 was another myth. When compared to the Mosquito it could barely reach 380mph. shot down all of 10 Mosquitoes but it was a good anti-heavy-bomber aircraft. For the record, the Mosquito shot down 15 He 219s. Not bad considering the He 219 was a rare plane to encounter, there were only 300 built.
I’ve known the mosquito sir. And that’s no mosquito.
How so?
They copied dh-98 mosquito
3:55 British Propaganda