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- Mike Florio and Chris Simms share why the Dolphins’ historic win over the Broncos in Week 3 cements Miami's status as a Super Bowl contender and forces Denver to reevaluate things. #NBCSports #ProFootballTalk #NFL
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I'm trying to remember, did Hackett ever lose a game by 50 points?
Oh, he’s trash. Worst coaching job ever. Well, it was, until yesterday.
His worst loss was 14-51 against the Rams. Otherwise, rather close games.
He could've last Christmas if McVay had any starters on offense
The press hounded Coach Hackett out of a job!
Anybody trying to defend hackett despite even how dysfunctional it is in New York. Are just flat out hating
Losing by 1 is a lot different than losing by 50. Losing by 50 questions the heart of your team.
It's different in how it affects the players' and coaches' mindsets going forward, but when they list the standings at the end of the year, they look the same. It's just a tick in the loss column.
@@chrism6880yea but a 50 point blowout still smarts😢
@@chrism6880
It's more than that. Long after this season, long after all these players and coaches have retired, for the rest of their lives...they will never forget this. It's an agonizing memory that will always be there no matter what. Being on the wrong side of history in your professional career is resonating for life.
We've lost by one score for like 18 games since last season. It sucks just as much of not worse, cause by 50 you at least don't have hope.
This ass kicking was bad but not as bad as it shows. There's a 28-point swing on bs penalty negating touchdowns and Sutton fumbling twice giving 2 scores to the dolphins
The game is teaching Sean Payton some humility.
The sad part is Payton doesn't have the personnel to get back at Miami for running up the score should they play again in the near future.
@@renanbautista6222Miami literally did the opposite of running up the score, believe it or not.
They won 3 games year 1
@@renanbautista6222 Did you watch the game??? Miami took a knee instead of kicking an easy field goal that would have given them the all-time points record. They put their backups in the entire 4th quarter, while Sean Peyton left his starters in the whole game (and I assume he did that because he wants to get Russ injured). The Broncos just didn't tackle anyone.
Running up the score? Wrong. The Broncos just didn't stop them. What did you expect the Dolphins to do, take a knee for ever possession over 50 points? That's just ludicrous. The Dolphins kept running the ball, to slow it down, and then they pulled their starters. What else do you want them to do?
@@renanbautista6222
Just goes to show you: never think too highly of yourself. Life will humble you if you don't humble yourself.
Being humbled is losing 42-20. This is miles beyond humbled, past humiliation, and into the territory of going to school naked in front of your mom, all her friends and everyone laughing at your junk.
@@johnchedsey1306😂😂😂😂😂😂
This was a total destruction by Miami,
Mcdaniel gave an absolute masterclass on offense
but SP is a self proclaimed offensive genius... LOL...
@@johnanderson60helps to have a HoF qb
It was carpet bombing by the Dolphins, total destruction, no survivors
He is revolutionizing the game. He and Kyle Shanahan is become the new Bill Walsh and creating their version of the West Coast offensive.
@@Madame702Amen my friend, their offense is really dope & have had a lot of success recently with a few teams. The Dolphins coach with Mia & Kyle with Falcons when they set records & lost the infamous 28-3 SB loss. Their O system has been balling yo. Real talk 💯💯💯
Sean Payton is the doc rivers of the nfl
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
Great Comparison
Miami RBs were averaging 5.1 yards before contact. That is such complete domination you would think Denver was a college team.
The Broncos defense looked like Portland state vs Oregon.
I was beyond shocked. The Denver Broncos defense didn't even look like it belonged in the league, I mean, by god the Dolphins could've dropped 84 on them if total humiliation was their goal.
5.1 yds before contact averaging over 10 yards a play. The game was a Madden scorecard on rookie difficulty with an all 99 create-a-character.
I don't think we are going to witness an ass-whoopin of this magnitude again for a very veeeeery long time.
I won’t say the Broncos “quit.” But rumor has it that the Denver players took off their shoulder pads at halftime.
There's no way you give up 70 and keep your job. No good coach would give up even close to that no matter how bad his playes are. Yes, they were missing a bunch of players on defense but thats no excuse for such a embarrassment
Unless you are the Denver FO. They will give VJ more time to get it right. Only problem is he doesn't have a clue.
What you are seeing is a revolution in offensive design and scheme and league of old coaches have yet to acknowledge that head coach Mike McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan are changing the game.
It is though 😂😂
They gave up 2 TD’s to the SECOND unit in less than a qtr. Granted it was the 4th and they were deflated but once the score is 60 I’d expect no points allowed lol
@@Madame702
Now there's the point of the whole discussion. Payton's schemes, alignments and preparation are no match for modern, detailed schemes which maximize strengths vs the opponent's weaknesses.
Imagine scoring 20 points and still getting out scored by 50
Imagine getting a TD and “cutting the lead” to 43.
I hate it happened to the Broncos but im glad it happened to sean payton
We all are my friend lol
The broncos are really close to quitting on Sean I feel. Having watched teams quit on their coach with Philbin and Gase when they quit on a coach they really quit on him.
Adam Gase was high
The amazing thing is how effortless Miami made it look. They made Denver look like a school team. What a game against the Bills coming up.
I think Mia played Bills tough both games last yr. But then again it is a div game. And Bills just balled out in b2b weeks so u ain’t lying my friend. Best & game of the week by a wide margin💯💯💯😮😮😮 Can’t wait bro. I’ve also took Bills-2.5 in like 4-5 tickets/parlays already & just hoping it’ll be a much better week thus upcoming week bcuz pos South Alabama (NCAAF) Jags, Ravens, & Cowgirls all ML bets epically robbed me hardcore lol. Lost over 750$ smh fml lol. Oh well hoping for a better week🙏🙏🙏🤞🤞🤞 God bless dude, peace ✌️
Those were professional players on the other side. We’ve seen prolific offenses before, but few people alive can say they saw 70 points and 700 yards in an NFL game. This was historic and the Broncos were half the equation. Tackling was shit. Coverages were shit. Effort was shit.
Reminds me of that 43-8 Superbowl 💚💙💯
The only superbowl the seahawks will ever win. Enjoy that one.
@@Eastunderaren’t you embarrassed to be a Bronco fan rn😂 shut it little boy
Didn't the Bears win 55-10 in 1985 SB?
The Broncos have their first round pick next year fyi
Here's a really interesting stat:
Tua:
2022 2023
W-L 3-0 3-0
Comp-Att: 72/101 72/101
TD-INT 8-2 8-2
The exact same stat two years straight.
How did the yardage match up?
@@johnniejupiter
Yardage more this year.
After three games:
1,024 for 2023.
925 for 2022.
Is Payton really a great coach though?? Drew Brees made him look like a decent coach, not to mention the ‘Bounty Gate’ issue..he is an asshole and talking smack on Hackett was a tacky thing to do, karma is a b1tch Payton
Yes the player who sucked so bad Phillip rivers took his job made Payton look good, definitely not the other way around
@@mattv3237bree’s was injured at one point, but an awesome player that made payton look better than he is, just like brady with belicheck
I agree he is OverHyped. His halftime Superbowl kick gave him some cred, even though that NFC title game the Vikings LITERALLY GAVE THE GAME TO the saints. Fumbles and INTs..
@@mattv3237 Brees didn't suck. The Chargers were concerned about his health and that fact that he was an undersized QB they didn't know how he would hold up.
Payton is a bum, this season will continue to prove it. "Obviously" he should have stayed in the booth after he quit on the saints 🙄
Remember when both Florio and Simms were drooling over Payton's hiring a few months ago? Yeah, that was a good time. Lol!
It's only one game
Florio has a note from Payton hanging in his "barn". He's talks about him like Sean is his boyfriend.
@@koolkitties8552 Said a Broncos' fan. Lol!
@@49er16 Yup. Florio is in love with Payton, for some reason. Ha ha!
No, I think what these guys are not telling you is that we are seeing a revolution in offensive play design and scheme. That's going take the league by storm in a few years their won't be a single offensive coach not using some concept or design that Kyle Shanahan or Mike McDaniel didn't come with. Not all of them will make work but some will figure what they are doing.
Never forget this guy said Taysom Hill was a better QB than Tua 💀🤡
Worst take of all time
Neither has won anything. So far he isnt wrong or right
Lots of guys thought Tua was overrated.
@@janessamarrano2611brain dead female take, stay in your lane mija
@@janessamarrano2611what.... are you mentally disabled?
For Sean Payton.. HOW DOES IT FEEL???? You asked for this.
I don't think the defense quit. I think the defense was completely outmatched and playing in some heat and just lost juice over time.
The Broncos under Nathaniel Hackett through the first three weeks 2-1
The Broncos under Sean Payton through the first three weeks 0-3
🤔
You’re right Hackett should get a chance to be a head coach again!
Maybe it has nothing with coaching. Maybe just maybe the players suck.
Don't you know, everything that was wrong last year was Hackett's fault. They got rid of him so play off bound. It's what Broncos fans were saying before the season anyway.
Peyton’s always been overrated that “Super Bowl win” was bogus too
crazy game, I don't think the dolphins or any other team will do this ever again in our lifetime. it was just one of those legendary games where the stars aligned.
it was a great offense against a pathetic defense that lacked talent but most of all has a terrible defensive coordinator
This a game you dream of watching. Any fan. You don’t have to be a Dolphins fan to love this performance!
Reminds me of when the Bears gave a 55pt beat down in the Super Bowl, but even then not nearly as dominant as this. Maybe Jacksonville's 62-7 thrashing of Miami in the playoffs is the closest
@@johnniejupiter we all remember Marino’s final game blow-out. This win makes it all better. 70!!! Fins up!
Makes us forget a little more maybe. So good to be winning again.@@justinkress7100
This is typical of Sean Payton. He finished 7-9 4 different times with Drew Bree’s in his prime. Payton doesn’t value defense
Payton just overrated
Why he mad at the press 😂😂
If you wanna send a message to the guys who have to play every week. You get rid of the coach. Getting rid of players to send a message only makes things worse. Its divisive. Has to be the coach, if you want accountability in your locker room.
New new coach.
Payton was taking shots at his predecessor only a few weeks ago. That aged well. But really, Broncos are not that bad. They ran into a team that anybody would have a hard time stopping. Broncos will improve as the season progresses
Sean Payton said he would bench Tua for Teddy Bridgewater, Sean Payton bashed the last Broncos HC said it was the worst coaching job in history, Sean Peyton & Tom Brady were plotting to join forces in Miami cost Miami a 1st rd draft pick for tampering, Sean Payton has been throwing jabs at Russell Wilson before the season started, Sean Payton kept Wilson in the game till the last second, then this happened
No disrespect to the Dolphins, but as I watched the game, my thoughts were more about how bad the Broncos are than how good the Dolphins are. Denver is easily the worst team in football, and they don't have any draft picks, so it will get worse before it gets better.
The Dolphins just Beat two good teams on the road. But yeah the Broncos are bad.
Delusion. You’ll accept the Dolphins are the superior team but acceptance comes last though.
@@shechshire superior to who? Denver? Everybody is.
That’s weird, when did we lose our picks this year?
@@boatsanhs9709 It's a long list. The Broncos are a mediocre team. They're not the worst with 20 points & a full field touchdown run.
I agree with Jason Garrett Denver did quit. It’s over for Payton, if there’s no humility. Payton is not a great coach - he sat out a year due to bounty gate. Whether the Broncos beat Chicago next week or not, unless Payton demonstrates humility, he’s gone by season’s end (or before).
This is the greatest middle finger Mike McDaniel could give the broncos for Not wanting to interview him he put them into submission of the hart,mind and soul
“I don’t know that they quit”
:goes on to describe quitting:
Blaming this on Russell is terrible. He's throwing mostly perfect throws and has the right timing. His WR can't catch a ball that goes right through their hands. And the defense wasn't on the field mentally...at all. Russ isn't part of the defense that allows 70 points to happen. But the team might not believe in him and are tanking the games to get rid of him.
I honestly expected more out of Sean Payton. The comments he has made about some team members really tears apart the team. He either needs to say the right things or sit Russell since he seems to be blaming the team being shit on Russell.
Somebody should ask Sean Payton if he has anything else he'd like to say about Nathaniel Hacket .. ?
I could SWEAR SIMMS said TAYSUM HILL is a better QB than Tua? ….way to keep making those freezing cold takes! Just more motivation for the MVP in the 305…and I definitely think Payton wished Teddy 2 gloves was starting yesterday 😂
Because that megalomaniac Flores hated offense and screwed QBs for breakfast.
As a broncos fan, some of them absolutely quit. I don't blame them for it with how the game went, but I'm also not going to pretend that it's normal for a team who was a top 10 defense by multiple metrics last year to suddenly be that bad. Vance has to go... again.
Dolphin fan and I agree. I'd fire VJ if it was me. No excuse for that and for coaches that let that happen.
Fire bigmouth Sean Payton too. Bet he regrets talking about the job Hackett did last year.
SOUTH FLORIDA!!!! WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!!!!
One good thing for Florida.
I CAN NAME ABOUT 1000 GREAT THINGS, EXCEPT FOR EVERYONE TRYING TO MOVE DOWN HERE, AND HOW EXPENSIVE IT'S GOTTEN! @@kbanghart
I watch the whole game. The browns Nevis offense looked great first quarter but after the defense gives up 4 td on 4 possessions it’s hard for any offense to make up for that. The Broncos become one dimensional so it was harder to complete passes.
Florio pretending to not know the lifetime Vikings reporter Chris Tomasson was the one who asked that question lollll
Sean Payton is not a great coach. Idk why people keep hyping this guy up. He is average coach that lucked up and won a Super Bowl over 10 years ago.
Damn, The thing is that the Dolphins offensive is so FAST! They have a Porshe, Lamborghini, Camaro, Bugatti, and a muscle car Mustang all in Tua's garage! Can anyone slow them down. Eyes up DEFENSE!!!🏃
Payton's a legend in his own mind.
'Not so long ago..... '99 Jaguars beat down the Dolphins 62-7......that was painful
And that was a good, if flawed, Miami team too. Some days you eat the bear, and some days the bear eats you.
Not long ago? You mean compared to how old the universe is? Because that is going on a quarter century.
Feels like yesterday, but then I call dirt a youngin@@Tubalcain422
I played small town highschool football and the most we ever gave up was 45 points. It was an ass whooping, no doubt, we got merked 45-10. But never, in my life, ever, have I even pushed 60 let alone 70. That is fucking awful. That means your defense are literally 2 or 3 steps below the competition. I never thought I'd see that in the modern NFL. When a "blowout" in the NFL is considred 4 touchdowns. Sometimes you see the 45-10 game or a 52-17. But that's legit the biggest margin of victory I've ever seen in the NFL If you get beat by 4 touchdowns in the NFL it's bad enough. But getting beat by 50..... That's SEVEN touchdowns. That's an extreme ass whooping in a highschool football game, let alone a NFL game were both teams are fielding mega millionaire professional athletes. That's insane.
great coverage
Wilson can’t play defense - he’s improved but he can’t play defense as well lol - just horribly embarrassing
Keep it up Denver number 1 pick here we come
Good job of analyzing the game with respect to both sides. The scoreboard speaks for itself.
Crazy to think 4 years ago Miami was in a crazy funk and now they are passing on that funk to Denver plus a couple extra thangs
Great analysis by my guys
lmao Payton trash talked Hackett just to perform even worse than Hackett ever did.
He also said tua was trash and bridewater was better. 😂😂😂😂
Lol broncos lost in week one by 1 point. Their kicker missed a FG and an extra point in that game. Denver was up by 18 in the 3rd quarter to Washington and lost that one. Y'all think the broncos are worse than last year 😂😂
Wonder if Coach Payton will shift his focus from publicly shaming Russell Wilson to figuring out how to improve his defense.
It's not just that they're fast, it's that they stay fast for a long period of time and defenses get gassed. Its how wolves bring down prey. It's not one fast wolf chasing you but several in relay. If you're a star on defense you don't have to just chase-down Tyreke on one play and Waddle (even though he wasn't active yesterday) on another play, but you're also having to chase down Robby Chosen and Raheem Mostert and Devon Achane. And then you hear your defensive coordinator tell you quote "why aren't you getting pressure on the quarterback". Because they are gassed.
The Broncos should try tackling their opponents.
Not going for 73 was just class. Also, when the backups are out there killing you, then just shut up and take it.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer coach. Enjoy the Humble Pie Sean.
The backups are in the NFL for a reason.
I would simply cut 22 players and figure with my backups I am still better than the Texans.
Sean Payton was also the one that said Teddy Bridgewater would replace Tua as starter, 🤣!
After three games, #Broncos QB Russell Wilson ranks within the top-10 in: • Completions of 40+ yards (T-1st) • Touchdown passes (T-5th) • Completions of 20+ yards (T-5th) • Yards per pass attempt (6th) • Passing yards (7th) • Passing yards per game (7th) • Passer rating (8th)
Miami impressive, but the Broncos quit playing after halftime.
Would it have mattered? They were not stopping them when they tried.
Belechik needs a game like this.
The reporter who Payton got snippy with is Chris Thomasson, he used to work in Minnesota and irritate Mike Zimmer😅
As a Saints fan I’m happy Payton got his ass kicked yesterday. He blatantly disrespected Hackett earlier this year. I’m glad McDaniel hung 70 on his ass. Years ago I remember we ran up the scoreboard 62-7 against the colts the year manning was out. Payton runs his mouth too much
The irony is McDaniel was a ball boy for the Broncos back in the day. He attended HS just outside of Denver.
Really hoping the broncos turn it around, just a part of me feels so bad for those guys. Yea they are getting paid millions to play football but still the agony of constantly losing for true competitors would make you question if it was worth it.
Elway was sure proud about firing 2 players who kneeled during the anthem-should fire the ones that kneel after the snap
The only NFL game remotely similar to this one for me was Super Bowl XXIV when SF beat DEN 55-10. Sadly, as a Broncos fan, my team both times. Otherwise, last year's National Championship Game (UGA-TCU) also comes to mind- but obviously college as opposed to pro.
Chris is right, you can’t just start firing people after a devastating beatdown like this. If I was in Sean Payton’s shoes, in fact, I would calmly acknowledge how the players are feeling. They might be angry, embarrassed, shocked; some of them are undoubtedly reeling with self doubt and self deprecation. It all boils down to grief. It’s a “loss” akin to a death or, failing a class or breaking up with your girlfriend. I’m would acknowledge that and - this is just me - I would give them an extra day off, Tuesday, to regroup mentally, get away from the game, spend time with their families, get some emotional support. It’s like going a calf strain a little time to heal before you get back at it. Losing that one day of drills won’t hurt them anywhere near as it will help them to be ready to perform like they’re capable of. That’s just my take on it.
As a lifelong Bronco fan of 48 years after the last few seasons and then Sunday I'm stopping watching football for the next couple years that's how bad it hurt & i cant do it anymore.
We are the Browncos of the 2000...so sad after mr b died so did the team!
So not a real fan? Got it.
@@Tubalcain422
No I'm definitely a real fan I got a tattoo on my leg but I'm not gonna Settle for mediocrity and losing year after year after year and the s*** they more expect us to pay for an accept
Sean Payton is a tool. Someone should ask him, "Hackett's worst loss as the Broncos HC was by only 37 points, what does a 50 point loss say about Payton's coaching ability"?
the other team scored 70…not just a 50 point loss!! better bug the locker rooms again!!
Shanahan vs McDaniel Superbowl?? That would be LIT!!!
Sean payton is just hype
Big fact!!!
He was mediocre with the saints for years. He was in an extremely week division of football for all those years and only won a handful of division titles. That onside kick from the superbowl is literally the only defining moment of his head coaching career.
Broncos gave up their 1st and 2nd round picks for this nearly 60-year old, old school coach with dated schemes.
"Shake things up"?? Haven't they been doing this over and over the last two years? How many times can you keep hitting that rest button?
Can't blame the QB because team has 20 not 71 points. The Lions got rid of DB coach to shake things up, so not necessarily Vance.
The Broncos offense was outscored by a 70-13 margin
Curious to see how McDaniel's offense evolves; McVay was a genius for a year or two, and Bill Walsh was a genius for decade
Payton's SOLUTION for his disastrous defense is simple: Do what he/they did in New Orleans: Offer players "bounty money" to "take out" the other teams' players.
This defense is no where near 100%, there’s no Baron Browning, no Justin Simmons, no Frank Clark, no K’Waun Williams, no Jonas Griffith and now no Josey Jewell and that’s just the starters, we also have key backups like Caden Sterns and Pj Locke who provide a lot of depth to our secondary that are not available due to injury as well. We’re currently playing with half of our original starting defense in Randy Gregory, Zach Allen, DJ Jones, Mike Purcell, Jonathan Harris & Pat Surtain and it doesn’t even matter bc everyone but Allen is still trying to learn the scheme and have all looked like shells of what they were the last 2-3 seasons, plus they have a bunch of trash ass backups, 2 of which are late round rookies in Sanders and Mustipher and the other 4 are just trying to learn a new defense while also trying to learn what it takes to be a starter in the league bc they’re used to 2nd&3rd string roles. Not to mention we’re missing our real best WR now for the past two years in Tim Patrick as well as our real best TE in Greg Dulcich, and you know sir fumbles a lot (Sutton) and Mr Butterfingers (Jeudy) aren’t helping the situation, surprisingly the best WRs and the two dudes who have shown the most heart out of any of the skill players on the entire roster is Marvin Mims & Brandon Johnson. Cushenberry, Bolles, Sutton, Jeudy and Williams all need cut/not resigned at the end of this season, they have all been injury prone and or shown 0 improvement and it’s time to let them go and stop wasting time, money and coaching on 5 duds.
Too many of you guys who think you know the game dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as a "casual fan." Sean Peyton had a 631% 152-89 including a SB with the Saints. There are very few coaches who can compare and he did it with large variety of players.
Let's see how Miami looks in December, in the cold... until then they look great, but it's a looooooooong season.
Sean Payton used to run the score up, the Dolphins should have broken the record 😂😂😂
Actually the Saints only drove up the score to make a point. There were too many times when they stopped and made us wonder why they stopped.
the feds need to investigate the Broncos d.c. for impersonating a coach..that defense was a fraud..
Russel has this roll out move he does and when he was younger and faster this was very effective and worked, now he just gets sacked.
They should ask Sean Payton how it feels to lose by 50 to a QB who by his own account, should not have a starting job in the NFL
The prophecy is coming to fruition 🐬🧡
Sean Payton had one of the worst coaching days in the history of the NFL.
THE NBA ON NFL
I respect Mike McDaniel not kicking the field goal but I feel like Tua and the players earned that record fair and square and he kind of stole it from them.
Tua and the rest of captains got to vote on it and they decided to kneel
Plus they will always be mentioned because the last time it was done was in the 60s. You know 60+ years ago.
The game was competetive for 30 minutes.
Sean Payton needs to fire the Defensive Coordinator, cut a couple of players, and start acting like an old ball coach.
You don't want miami running up the score ??? Pull your staters?
1000%,.It was embarrassing The Broncos played their starters the whole game,~
Drew Brees made Peyton a "great" coach.
Tried to tell yall Sean payton was overrated a couple months ago but I got bashed by some casual NFL fans 🤷♂️
U mean the pale community them wonder bread soldiers say mane 😂😂 sean aint shit
Every play looked like the Broncos defense only had 9 players on the field
I thought Sean Payton was supposed to win the Superbowl 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why did Miami not break the record of points in a game when they were near the 22 yard line with eight minutes to go? I wanted to see eighty points
You guys, the media said Payton is a great coach....why? He caught a wave in NOLA for a season. Beyond that...WHAT❓
If the Broncos lose to the Bears next weekend, the Walton family should actually consider buying out Payton's contract and send him packing. Russell Wilson might not be at his Seattle best anymore, but he's definitely not the problem...yet Payton was calling him out last week. I'd love to be a fly on the wall to hear what the Broncos players really think of their new coach. Giving up 70 points tells me Payton hasn't won over this team one bit.
If the Broncos lose to both the Bears and Jets, they probably should contract the franchise and forfeit the rest of the season.
It's Time For Coach Payton To Blow Up Denver and Start All Over?
All these people saying "get rid of the coach" need to sit down and stop talking. They're not going to fire a guy who they just hired for that much money.
You might as well say that they need to hire Vince Lombardi.
No doubt Hackett is loving this after remarks by Peyton last year.