Is Glenn Fricker right? An honest opinion, part1: audio interfaces
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
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Glenn Fricker made an ample of mythbusting and A/B testing videos about audio production and guitar gear during the years, strongly criticising the snobism around the field. But do I agree with him when it comes to audio interfaces? Let's find out.
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Sokszor kár milliókat bele ölni olyan dolgokba, aminek a végeredményét a streaming oldalak lebutítják vmi kásás mp3-ba, és azt a nagy tömeg egy 3000 forintos fülhallgatón/bluetooth kihangosítón hallgatja.
Ez is egy elgondolkodtató dolog valóban, van benne igazság. Viszont azért nem kell szemétre keverni, mert mi van, ha valaki mégsem azon hallgatja? :D
@@NecroPolo jó, nyílván ez egy sarkított kijelentésem volt. Csak arra akartam utalni, hogy a sima mezei hallgató nem fogja észre venni, hogy egy vintage 1967-es gibson-on játszik, vagy ilyen 2007-es les paul-on, abból is a viszonylag olcsó fajtájából. Nem azt mondom, hogy a gyakorló erősítőn és gitáron kell leragadni, hacsak nem egy kannásboros punkzenekar tagja vagy, aki ennyivel megelégszik. Simán meg lehet találni azt a márkát, ami neked megfelelő és árban is megfizethető és ezen kívül ugyanazt tudja, mint egy agyon hájpolt cucc. Sőt, van amikor jobb minőségben is az olcsóbbik. Ez olyan, amikor márkamajmok megveszik a 200ezer forintos cipőt és a 30ezres felsőt és ugyanennyit érő nadrágot, de mégis úgy néz ki az egyén mint egy kifosott galambszar.. lehet olcsóbban is felöltözni stílusosan.
@@punx567nimbustratus Így is van, pontosan ez a lényege ennek az egésznek. Ezért zseni jó amit Glenn csinál. Gondolsan elvégzett A/B tesztekben rendszeresen hülyét csinál a sznobokból. Imádom :D
@@punx567nimbustratus sőt, ennek a leginkább témához kapcsolódó hasonlata az "audiofil" (audiofool) sokmilliós táp- és hangszóró-kábelekkel, csodakristályokkal, és újabban már hálózati switch és ssd-kkel is XD
Általában van a nagyon olcsó, de nem is jó, majd az árral halad felfelé a minőség egy ideig, aztán egy szint fölött már csak "snake oil"
thx :)=
yeah, but.....there are other metrics to gears too: build quality, analog parts, power supply (latter two's interaction) --- these often about compromises and/or expenses
Sure, there is truth in that, chips are one components of many and also as I said, more precise tech brings more precise results and on top I totally agree on that a good power supply = reliability, but my tech boss covered that as well back in time. The overall value of components and tech usually did not validate the price jump, and never the hype jump. And sure there were exceptions, for example Digigram at the time packed insane amount of cutting-edge new tech in their PCX cards, way ahead of the competition. But most of the rest charged too high and had no real reason for that.
As my 2 cents go as an audio production guy with no electrical engineering knowledge, at the end of the day, using a $150 ECHO soundcard (works 0-24 to date) displayed in the video that is pure AD/DA chips and I/O connections, or using a matching era $10.000+ uppity-hype-mastering-grade-whatever that used the same or nearly the same spec AKM AD/DA chips, it makes no difference if you can get the same result working ITB.
While there is certainly a whole bunch of truth to what you say here and in the video you seem to be pushing the idea that expensive gear is nothing more than emptying people's pockets. This is nearly as bad thinking as the other extreme of saying one can't make a quality recording without having very high end gear. Reality is more complicated than either of these extreme and inaccurate viewpoints. Expensive audio gear tends to be made in counties that have high labor and production costs and do use many components that are more expensive than budget gear built in China. Also involved is scale of production and what type of customer is the intended target for the product. If you build thousands and thousands of units then you can make a decent profit with a very slim margin but if you build low numbers then you need to make a much higher percentage on each unit.
Very low cost audio interfaces can absolutely perform to quite high standards and produce very high quality audio if you know what you are doing. The expensive (what you call snobby gear) is not hugely better but is aimed at people and companies with large budgets to spend who are willing to pay a lot more money for that last little bit of quality. For people without the budget that exponential rise in price vs quality that is inherent to high end gear simply doesn't make much sense because even budget stuff can be very very good but for those who can afford high end gear it can be worth it or is even essential. In a high end studio clients are going to expect gear that is absolute top of the line so if you have Scarletts in your rack rather something like Burl Audio people are going to question your commitment to quality and probably your skills as well.
It's a great time to be living in if you want to be recording audio and you don't have a ton of money but understanding what the deal is with high end gear and why you do or don't need it makes more sense than bashing either budget gear or the high end stuff.
@@7171jay But honestly, would you want to work with any client who judges your commitment by checking your rack without checking your references? I respectfully pass all of them :)
Sure, the different range for different segments makes complete sense, that's why there are Ferraris and Toyotas. They target different audience with different amount of money to spend. I agree.
Still, serving the demand of a thinning group with big resources has nothing to do with gear functionality. The audio field has completely changed yet so many people behave as it was 1990 when new bands had no choice, they had to accept the extreme fees of unaccessible recording gear owners. That was the reason for me to discover audio production. Even making a simple demo was robbery back then. The first album I played on costed as much as a used car in mint conditions. I thought, there must be a better way. That's why I started my own project studio nearly 30 years ago. Now, part of my activities is being a producer / consultant, usually helping the first steps of bands on the minefiled. To my knowledge, no one asked if the album was made on $2000 or $200000 gear after it performed quite well after release.
Now'days, high profile (big money) clients are fewer day by day, 95% of themy are self-sustained indy artists with limited budget where audio production or at least a part of it is DIY where gear hype doesn't matter, only efficiency. So at the end of the day, which is the better advice?
A: Get a bank loan or whatever and spend
B: Get simple functional gear that can do the job fine and invest time into learning the craft
If both can bring 98% the same result at the end of the day, I think it is an easy choice.
@@NecroPolo Certainly skills beat out gear especially lately with a lot of really low cost recording gear being available that sounds quite good.
What bugs me is people getting angry because they dont understand really high quality stuff whether thats a guitar, an amp, or recording equipment. This gear isnt a ripoff to get angry about, it simply doesnt make sense if it's not in your budget and it's not necessarily needed to get the job done but it does have value and does make sense in some situations. There are usually real reasons that really high quality gear costs what it does and it can offer some benefits over budget stuff but the price is kind of exponential as you pay a lot more for that last few percent of sound quality, or for parts that are truly better, or for labor done in the U.S. or Europe. No need to get offended by this stuff, call people snobs, and think people who make expensive gear are trying to rip you off. Buy what you can afford, be happy there is low and mid level gear that is at least quite good, and realize that song writing, musicianship, and recording skills are most of the equation. 👍
@@7171jay Thanks for the discussion, I think it was a good one. It is very rare to have such online. Basically, everyone is screaming. Few will actually start an actual conversation like this. I really appreciate that. That's the reason I'm answering in detail.
I agree with you here. If a designer has the knowledge and a clear view of reasons and functionality, there is no problem with aiming high, or even higher. Chosing pre X with Lundahls over pre Y with some cheap (or no) tranny for a more predictable result, is valid. Using a Weiss surgical mastering rack EQ for nearly zero distortion over a plug-in that is rather mathematically correct, is fine. Playing a rare guitar on a big show where the performance is also a display, is fine. Ferraris are fine. Especially if they are paired with a skilled driver, magic can happen. And the same skilled hands can do the same magic while driving a Lada, too. We agree.
But it is never purely about the gear itself. It is also about attitude. First and foremost, I must admit that I've never heard guys preaching bullshit who were really on the top of their game when it comes to audio production. They have been straight, efficient, respectful maximalists. Examples to follow, work ethics to learn from. But also, there is a big group of people who believe that they also bought eternal knowledge and wisdom with the price tag, sometimes without completely discovering the full potential of their own gear. Also, many of them have no clue about proper manners or respect, and they look down on anyone else basically. Even on their clients. I've seen such attitude all across the board so many times during the years that I lost count, both on bands and studio level. As I've said, this was the main reason to start my tiny own recording room in the early 2000s, to save my projects from people like these below:
Kaptál egy nagy likeot Miki!👊
Köszönöm barátom, megtisztelsz
Fingom sincs a témához, de laikusként abszolút egyetértek :) de ilyen sznobok minden témában vannak
Így igaz, és egyiknek sem kell bedőlni sehol sem :)
Do you Scream A lot
Only onstage. I'm an introvert :)
@@NecroPolo Why
It's a cool game