I had 8 on laptops and desktops and it was so slow. I used the classic shell and it made it look like classic windows but it was constantly at 100% max CPU use even on a quad core clean install with 16gb memory and SSD I don't know what Microsoft was thinking
I had a Garmin Nüvi 2460LMT, i used to install different position markers (they are stuff on the screen that tells you your current position), and i had so much fun with it
Modern handheld gaming PC is basically a modern take on these MID/UMPC It's now powerful enough to be a daily PC, but they need to be a little smaller to become actually pocketable like these devices
windows 8 was the best optimized system i have ever used. It is much faster than windows 7 you can feel the difference on old machines. It was the first windows to feature real-time protection and smartscreen.
The main thing Microsoft did wrong with Windows 8 was changing the interface so much that it was unrecognisable by people used to the standard Windows interfaces of the past. They should've at least given people an option like they did in Windows 10 with tablet mode. It's a shame because that single start menu change completely overshadowed all the other interface and performance improvements. I had a fully setup Windows 8 system with a 5400 rpm drive that booted to the desktop, ready to go in around 40 seconds (where a Windows 7 Ultimate install would take a bit more than 2 minutes). It's not just the boot times either, the explorer was improved, copy/paste was improved, it had a vastly better task manager; it was a breath of fresh air back in the day. It's still the snappiest OS after Windows XP. Either way, great video.
@pyeltd.5457 XP absolutely was snappier on account of it being built for older hardware and not having things gradually tacked onto it for another decade
Really nice video. I never known this device existed. I used Windows 8.1 until 2023 . And for a while i prefered the start screen over the start menu. Keep up the great work :D
Same!!! Althought we only had it for 5-6-7 years, and even thought i loved and still love the Metro Design/Microsoft Design Language, the Start Screen was very hard and uncomfortable to control with a trackpad, even after all the updates that really improved Windows 8.1!! But i still really love Windows 8.1 and i have fond memories of getting on our family's laptop after school, and checking out the Tips+Tricks App (or whatever it was called, sorry, i don't remember that detail), and discovering the many tricks to operate Windows 8.1, like the Charms side-bar, how to open apps in Split-Screen, how to switch between multiple Metro/Modern apps... But our family laptop was a bit sluggish, even with Windows 8.1, because of it's low-end CPU i guess... Anyways, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 will always be one of my favorite OS's, with all their acheivements, progresses and even their problems!!! I do wonder though how easy-to-use Windows 8 would be on a tablet computer, but i never got to try it on one... Anyways, please keep it up!!! ❤❤
Believe it or not, I just loved windows 8, the version without start button. Windows 8 is my most favourite windows operating system. I also have one installed on one of my vms.
There are 2 reachable usb ports pin pairs inside you can connect some additional hardware like a card reader, units with the cellar modem had always a SSD as the modem filled half of the hdd compartment, there you have a mimi pcie port usb conencted pcie I don't remember. IIRC you can control the bios by using a key combo to switch the joystick mode. the IO port has one USB port, and VGA. I used mine with windows 7, and there is a proper touch screen driver i think i have it some ware worked on win 7 as it should, if you want to try it reach out to me.
I've always hated intel atom CPUs, because even back in the day, they were super underpowered and disappointing. This palmtop can't do anything useful anymore.
The bigger problem with that one is the Intel GMA 500 (PowerVR SGX535) which has awful drivers. Most netbooks had Intel GMA 950 or 3150 which were actually made by Intel and had much better drivers. A lot of early 2000s games run fine on the GMA 950 and 3150 netbooks. The Atom CPUs were fine for what they were made for and had really low power consumption
I had a Acer Revo PC at the time with an atom.. it was soooo slow.. the only reason it could be used at all was the gpu and media player classic leveraging that a lot.. so I could barely use windows on it.. but watching a ripped bluray in full HD was no problem..
Thanks for another awesome video Janus! Fyi: the touch screen mouse issue with starcraft is due to a resolution mismatch. I've had that issue while playing starcraft and other dosbox games, anytime the monitor does not support that resolution natively. It's almost as if the game was built to support 800 x 600 only. Super weird.
Yay! Another upload! :D (I encourage you to try Windows 7 on that machine, as a portable Windows Media Center device.) (Or Vista if you wanna get crazy)
Search to launch apps has been my go to method on windows since vista, when i had to stay using 8, search to launch was a godsend, Start-no enter and notepad opens
that Defcon game is probably my fav back in the days.i got my copy thru some PC Magazine that comes with CD.the soundtrack is haunting especially when the nuclear hit your city and you watch the casualty rises
I just acquired 4 Sony Vaio Duo 13 and one 11. These computer were designed to work with Windows 8.1, being a hybrid of laptop and tablet. I just love them! Currently I am trying all sort of Linux distros and Windows(es). Windows 8 and 8.1 I jumped, never had contact before and now I realize... it's weid. Dear Janus, I am looking for a Ubuntu for tablets to test. That would be nice to see in your oddware machine. Great video!
I've got one of these in my closet! Haven't used it for a decade and the screen has many bad pixels but it's still there! I once used it as a standby pocket device for checking warehouse product stock on a sales floor.
for future reference, you can slipstream drivers into an off-line Windows 8.x image before deployment by mounting both the setup and OS install images using the DISM utility (via an administrative command prompt). assuming X is the drive letter where your source image is mounted and Y is the drive letter of where the image will be mounted: mounting images: DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\boot.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Index:1 DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\boot.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Index:2 DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\install.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Index:1 DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\install.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Index:2 installing drivers (assuming they (and their inf files) are extracted to their respective directories) to the offline OS images: DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse unmounting and saving changes: DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Commit DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Commit DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Commit DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Commit refer to learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/add-and-remove-drivers-to-an-offline-windows-image?view=windows-11 for more information
I have an idea for that thingy: Go back to XP and try to use a PS1 or a handheld emulator. This thing might not work well with Windows 8 (and considering Windows 8 is lacking support for basically anything) but it would make an awesome retro machine. I wanna playolder games or smth like Sims 1 on my phone so badly but a handheld pc is always better than a smartphone when it comes to the feels
Have you considered using an x86 emulator if on android you can use something like winlator, mobox, termux with chroot and a linux distro on top if ios i think there's a good app to help virtualize a x86 machine
Windows 8 is literally Windows 7 with some winrtapi features. I don't see how it's lacking support for anything. Windows XP is lacking support even more at this point.
@@андрей_свиридов He is thinking of Windows RT which is Windows Mobile which never had app support and never supported full desktop application such as VLC and Audacity. You had to install a special Windows App Store version which is now non existent. Windows RT is iOS but with no support so it failed with the 2011 Windows Phone and 2012 Surface
@@pyeltd.5457 yeah, it also used ARM(v6/v7) architecture which was pretty unpopular at the time, and wasn't seen as future of the desktop PC's since they were only popular in hanndheld devices.
Posy's new video was the first one I watched after finishing this upload and relaxing. His work is a huge inspiration and I'm pleased to be seen in a similar vein, thank you.
Wonderful as always. Devices in that form factor with period appropriate atom chips like the z2760 would have been so much fun. They really dropped the ball with such boring devices in the windows 8 hayday.
I still have my old viliv n5 and s5 from back in the day, they were fun little PCs that gave you the power of x86 in your pocket which was handy. There weren't a lot of mobile apps back in the day so having an x86 pc allowed you to run normal apps on the go without having to lug a laptop if it wasn't always needed. I think the n5 had GPS as well if I remember correctly.
You always end up finding the coolest devices to take a look at. This was a fun one. The GMA 500 graphics is weird and quite awful to support unfortunately. Perhaps XP Tablet PC edition or a cut down 7 would be the best choice for an OS, even if they are rather uninteresting!
windows 8 and mobile were pretty great oses for the stuff they worked on, touch screens, and convertable laptops, windows 7 for standard laptops and desktops
I remember back when Windows 8 was starting to release, wanting to see the laptop displays to really see the touchscreen interface they were selling hard at the time. Before, with 7, it felt like innovation at its peak performance rather than an iPad competitor with fully bendable laptops and Surface Pros
Awesome video Janus!! You should try installing Adele Linux cuz the devs made it lightweight to the point you might be able to use on older CPUs than Viliv S5 PMP has. Worked on my Pentium 4 PC!
I've got a viliv S5 as well, you can use the directional control as a mouse control, just press 3 seconds on "menu" and it will switch. Mine is the 3G modem, it has both GPS and 3G capabilities. Perfect little umpc
A friend of mine recently gave me an old Asus Transformer T100 tablet with a removable keyboard, it's running windows 8 and I can see exactly what Windows 8 was going for BUT...... Back in 2013 I bought a Asus G46VW 'Gaming' laptop that was running windows 8, no touch screen... it was utter crap, the worst 'non touch' device OS.... I think Microsoft gets so deep into an idea they don't stop to think about their main customer base(see Windows 11 for more information). P.S. Great video as always!!
Man I was using Win2003 up to 2020, then I jumped to win2008 (server editions, stripped down to the bone), fast, stable and does anything I wanna do, I'm not a mindless gamer so I'm not forced to roll with the newer spywares.
I had one of these viliv when it first came out. I played with it for a bit but was too slow for media stuff I wanted to use. The iPad was released the following year, I sold the viliv and haven’t looked back since.
The first time I used window 8.1 was on a Nokia lumia 630 it ran like butter on that phone to me it's one of the most underrated window versions because it felt futuristic it had it's bad sides but I feel like if they given it more time and optimize it then it would have been one of greatest window operating systems
Personally I don't mind the missing start button. Partly because at the time I was already using wp8 and windows 8 made the experience on my desktop seamless, also I always hit that win key on the keyboard to pull up start anyway. When 8.1 came out, it was a great improvement on tablet and phone, and I don't mind it in desktop environment either. Maybe because I'm heavy on keyboard and shortcut to begin with. For laptop however I was using the last osx, simply because nobody can beat that company' trackpad even though during this time MS came out with precision touchpad. My only gripe was on the server side, skipped srv2012 and held to srv2008r2 until srv2016 came out.
My first exposure to Windows 8 was on a tablet designed for it, the HP Stream 7. And honestly, on a tablet designed for Windows 8 it wasn't too bad. Unfortunately they really half reared the design of the hardware so it has a 32bit uefi so it can't run 64bit windows even though it has a 64bit processor so it's forever stuck in the past. I yearn for a similar device, around 7 inches, runs desktop windows, has at least 8gb of ram. I would immediately make it my primary portable computer. Unfortunately everyone seems to be goo goo ga ga for 12+ inch tablets which are too big to fit in a pocket. I can't even find an android tablet with flagship specs at the small screen size I want. Apparently if you want a small screen in a compact device that also means you want budget specs.
I loved the small size of the Stream 7. It was nice to be able to carry a full Windows PC in a pocket and it used MicroUSB for charging so it was possible to charge it with a regular power bank. But annoyingly it only had one MicroUSB port and a 3.5mm headphone jack. It would have been nice to be able to charge it while having a USB device plugged in. HDMI would have been nice to have too
If you can look past the lack of a Start Menu, Windows 8.x was a surprisingly solid OS. At its foundation it built on Windows 7, and I found on earlier machines it ran better than Windows 7. The lack of a Start Menu is also solved with Classic Shell or Start8. I used this setup on a 2006 DELL XPS M1730 for a while and it worked really well. As for the Viliv, unfortunately that graphics chip is a complete non-starter and is really the black sheep in the Intel GMA family. Claimed to be an Intel GMA chip, it's in fact a rebranded PowerVR SGX 535 which wasn't a bad mobile GPU to be fair - but it has awful, awful drivers. Which is a shame because if it had better driver support, I'm sure it'd be a solid GPU.
I remember years ago trying to upgrade an Acer Aspire One to Windows 8.1, wanting to use it as a media laptop. Got a Broadcom HD decoder board to handle video playback and an SSD. Tried to find touchscreen kits for it, but never did. Memories. Lol
you can install open shell to make 8 look like you want. it was what i done first 5 min after purchase win8 laptop (it was classic shell back then), while whole world whining about they can't use 8.
Viliv! I have a Viliv N5 in my closet somewhere. Absolutely terrible keyboard... ended up with it because the mbook bz was way backordered in those days.
I suspect that if you want to play games on that thing your best choice might be reverting it back to Windows XP. I have an old Atom netbook that's a few years newer than that one, but not much, and I remember reading back in the day that despite the fact than that generation of Atom devices always came with W7 many installed XP as a secondary OS just for gaming since the GMA drivers had better performance on XP. I've still managed to run some mid to late 2010's indie games on it but only 2D stuff, for 3D the limit was mid 2000's era games or the rare later game that was optimized to run on a toaster like the original release of "Aaaaa! for the Awesome" (the new remastered version has almost no optimization, it almost killed my modern laptop simply because it expects a dedicated GPU, runs fine on desktop tho).
I used both 8 and 8.1 for a total of two and a half years before 10 came out. Really, I had no issues with 8 or 8.1 in my daily usage, same thing with Vista. I’m not really having issues with 11 either. Of course, I used 7 for a number of years. Good ol’ XP has been in use by me since 2002. I don’t use it as much anymore, but it does come in handy.
I really liked Windows 8 controversial lol. It shines with a touch device like a tablet, but indeed for most desktop PCs without touch screens etc, it's not a great idea to replace the desktop with the tiles as the main focus. With a modern windows tablet, you cant get the old tiled display which is disappointing.
Dosbox is running at a lower resolution but the touch screen is working for the native resolution, so it's confusing dosbox with its scaling of the touch commands
If you bought this via buyee, we might have bid on the same unit :) Viliv was really cool back then. Along with UMID, they made some of the coolest 1st gen Atom UMPCs. I highly recommend the N5. At the time, it was one of the best mini laptops money can buy. While the S5 is rare, the N5 is a lot harder to find nowadays. If buying from Japan, UMID devices there were rebranded as Kohjinsha (工人舎) PM series and Onkyo (オンキョウ) BX series. The former is the UMID M1, and the latter is the BZ.
Highly disagree! I am the original owner of an N5 still in my closet. The keyboard on it was terrible, the distance between keys is near zero so inadvertent strikes are common. It also had lots of missed keystrikes and double strikes. The Open Pandora 1ghz model ended up being my daily driver UMPC until fairly recently. New daily is pretty much a Panasonic LetsNote CF-RZ4, or one of a ton of Samsung Chromebook 3's with linux installed. Not exactly UMPC's but small compared to the norm today, no issues with linux, and good battery life. I should be finally getting my ClockworkPi Uconsole in the next few days which I am really excited for because it should last forever (18650 batteries, and a Pi Compute Module 4...so the commonly failing/upgrade things can be replaced).
Kohjinsha rebranded a lot of Korean UMPCs in the late 2000s and early 2010s. They had several mini laptops powered by AMD Geode, and a few Atom UMPCs (PM and PA series')
@crsv7armhl I think this is a case of YMMV. I have fairly thin fingers and can thumb type my way on both the UMID and Viliv N5. I wouldn't write a document on any of themselves, but for casual browsing and short messaging, they were perfect. I currently have both a GPD Pocket 2 and P2 Max. I can thumb type on the Pocket 2, and pick type on the P2 max comfortably. Again, I don't use either for any serious work, but for email, casual browsing, and the like, I really enjoy them
2:40 Time out for current desk top switching for windows. If we just swap out the desktop items and the foreground and background items, then we might not have to load the entire resources of creating and deploying and destroying entire environments of desktops.
Remix OS is an Android OS that has a desktop mode and a dedicated tablet mode for touchscreen devices. It uses Android 6 but still has support for most apps/ Playstore. It comes in 32bit and 64bit versions. If you decide to try it and need any file or apk I will be happy to share what I have. I still use Remix OS on x86 hardware for game emulation, ftp server, media, and more. Remix OS can be installed to a usb 3.0 drive with persistence via Rufus. Don't use the Rufus settings for persistence, just burn the iso as you would normally.
@@JanusCycle I have always got favorable results with Remix OS on old and new hardware alike. This OS was created by a few former employees of Google. You should at least try it on a 3.0 usb drive. If you need anything such as but not limited to, the Playstore activator apk, or help in general I will be happy to do what I can. You don't need the Google service activator apk, it's just easier if wanted.
Installing a current version of Linux on the device would improve performance as it is less resource hungry than Windows, at the same time making it more secure and modern.
I have actually used Windows 8.1. I bought a Dell Venue 8 Pro in 2013. It had Win8.1 and since it was purely a tablet, I thought it worked great on it, excellent even. I liked it better than Win10 when in tablet mode. This lil thing looks neato, I also always loved UMPCs, ever since seeing the Vaio UX50 on display in a Best Buy. For me, it enough just owning something so small and cool and even if it is a bit useless, even the thought of the potential of something if it were perfect is also good enough. I have another Windows 8.1 tablet, from Insignia, it is extremely useless but it has a MicroSD card slot accessible from the side along with the Micro USB port and also a Micro HDMI port. If it were faster, with that Micro HDMI port I could have a special HDMI cable and a very large SD card and play almost any media I wanted, whereever I wanted on any HDMI screen. But alas, it is far too slow to even do that. But I still keep it know that such is a possibility. I'd personally leave this on XP and use it for like music and a weather display or something small like that.
You should try to let the Windows 8 install all the drivers automatically. Also by letting it install all the Windows updates, you should eventually get the normal Start button.
I am an original owner of a Viliv S5. They definitely work better with XP. 8 is too much for the limited CPU on it. Games from 2001 to 2004 are better. But Flight Simulator 2002 won't run on it. After many years of trying to find a good use for it I think it's best for like a journal or something.
Thank you for another video! I would actually keep this system with windows xp, if you are looking for a nice PC to try out 8/8.1, you should give Dell Venue 8 Pro a try. It's an atom-based tablet that handles 8.1 pretty well, just beware that there are like 20 different versions of the tablet, ranging from 1 to 4GB of ram, at least 2 different screen resolutions and probably 4 different CPUs. If you want to get the "best" one, it would be the model 5855.
yeah, Windows 8 was so badly received by the public that they made Windows 8.1 which brought the start button back, either way i hated using both of them, 8 just got rid of the menu as a whole and 8.1 just kind of shoehorned it back in as an afterthought.
Kinda curious if Tiny10 or Tiny11 will work on this palmtop or if something like Zorin OS will work I would also give a shot of something like Android 9 X86 32bit a try too since it's running an old Atom CPU and has a low amount of RAM
I wonder how well it could handle ReactOS or EmuELEC. If I had one, I think I'd updrade the SSD, and dual boot XP or 7 for playing old games, and Debian + XFCE for going online.
I had Windows 8 on a Surface Pro 3. I liked it. Though I’m mostly a Mac user. I thought this kinda had the middle ground of my iPad I liked and a desktop OS. I reckon if they pushed for this to work, and didn’t make my Lumia 800 redundant within a year (I really liked that phone until windows mobile 8 didn’t come out for it), I would be a windows fanboy.
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Pretty sure I bought banished when it was released in 2014, not 2007.
Thanks, I'm not sure how I got that so wrong. I must have been thinking of a different game.
I had 8 on laptops and desktops and it was so slow.
I used the classic shell and it made it look like classic windows but it was constantly at 100% max CPU use even on a quad core clean install with 16gb memory and SSD
I don't know what Microsoft was thinking
@@ocsrc Thanks for letting me know...
@@ocsrc considering 8 was designed for Metro UI
@@ocsrc how do you have your startup apps arranged, i used 8 and 8.1 and it was faster than any os that ive ever used, and it was on an HDD. 4GB ram.
Not gonna lie, the first thing I thought when seeing that device is "Huh, a car GPS". Didn't knew there were mini Atom computers this small.
And this has GPS built in. Install some maps and I have a car GPS :)
Gosh!!! Me too! I had a cheap-o-matic GPS that looks like this one. :D
@@JanusCycle oh boy!!!!
i mean its called atom for a reason haha
I had a Garmin Nüvi 2460LMT, i used to install different position markers (they are stuff on the screen that tells you your current position), and i had so much fun with it
Modern handheld gaming PC is basically a modern take on these MID/UMPC
It's now powerful enough to be a daily PC, but they need to be a little smaller to become actually pocketable like these devices
Good point. The GPD Win 3 and 4 are smaller than most, but still a little to big.
They should make laptops as handhelds, laptops are too ew to carry around specially if you are a gamer
windows 8 was the best optimized system i have ever used. It is much faster than windows 7 you can feel the difference on old machines. It was the first windows to feature real-time protection and smartscreen.
great perspective
honestly, It makes sense. because 8 was made for the not really high specs touchscreen laptops
@@UltraCenterHQ especially because windows 8 didnt have these fancy aero effects.
@@flyezzy-uc8vy nah, even Windows 10 was laggier
@@UltraCenterHQ windows 10 was laggy for other reasons.
The main thing Microsoft did wrong with Windows 8 was changing the interface so much that it was unrecognisable by people used to the standard Windows interfaces of the past. They should've at least given people an option like they did in Windows 10 with tablet mode. It's a shame because that single start menu change completely overshadowed all the other interface and performance improvements. I had a fully setup Windows 8 system with a 5400 rpm drive that booted to the desktop, ready to go in around 40 seconds (where a Windows 7 Ultimate install would take a bit more than 2 minutes). It's not just the boot times either, the explorer was improved, copy/paste was improved, it had a vastly better task manager; it was a breath of fresh air back in the day. It's still the snappiest OS after Windows XP.
Either way, great video.
Windows XP was never snappy. It's the same Windows Explorer as the one in Vista/7 as well.
@pyeltd.5457 XP absolutely was snappier on account of it being built for older hardware and not having things gradually tacked onto it for another decade
Win 8/8.1 was just super snappy.
Windows 8's performance was what made me keep using it, I'm glad I'm not the only one who acknowledged that.
The narration is like the National Geographic which describes cheetahs running very fast in tropical forests, I love it
Technological Geographic?
Really enjoying the ambient music thrown into the video. It feels like an increased production value.
Thanks! I would like to include more music into videos.
Such beautiful camerawork and lighting. The reason I subscribed.
thank you!
Shout out to that DEFCON music, gave me an immediate pavlovian response. (commented this before seeing the actual game in the video lol)
This game is just so atmospheric!
The way you made it a story , amazing. I have little interest in this but you made it enjoyable. Thank you.
awesome, thanks
Really nice video. I never known this device existed. I used Windows 8.1 until 2023 .
And for a while i prefered the start screen over the start menu. Keep up the great work :D
I would have used 8.1 with classic shell if it still had security updates.
Same!!! Althought we only had it for 5-6-7 years, and even thought i loved and still love the Metro Design/Microsoft Design Language, the Start Screen was very hard and uncomfortable to control with a trackpad, even after all the updates that really improved Windows 8.1!! But i still really love Windows 8.1 and i have fond memories of getting on our family's laptop after school, and checking out the Tips+Tricks App (or whatever it was called, sorry, i don't remember that detail), and discovering the many tricks to operate Windows 8.1, like the Charms side-bar, how to open apps in Split-Screen, how to switch between multiple Metro/Modern apps... But our family laptop was a bit sluggish, even with Windows 8.1, because of it's low-end CPU i guess... Anyways, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 will always be one of my favorite OS's, with all their acheivements, progresses and even their problems!!! I do wonder though how easy-to-use Windows 8 would be on a tablet computer, but i never got to try it on one... Anyways, please keep it up!!! ❤❤
Believe it or not, I just loved windows 8, the version without start button. Windows 8 is my most favourite windows operating system. I also have one installed on one of my vms.
Good to hear from a Windows 8 fan!
I wonder what the latest version of windows it could boot into is.
I think this would boot Windows 10 32 bit just fine, but the drivers would be a problem.
There are 2 reachable usb ports pin pairs inside you can connect some additional hardware like a card reader, units with the cellar modem had always a SSD as the modem filled half of the hdd compartment, there you have a mimi pcie port usb conencted pcie I don't remember. IIRC you can control the bios by using a key combo to switch the joystick mode. the IO port has one USB port, and VGA. I used mine with windows 7, and there is a proper touch screen driver i think i have it some ware worked on win 7 as it should, if you want to try it reach out to me.
Internal hardware modding, I love that idea. A key combo? I should have read the f. manual better. Thanks for all the info!
I remember installing Android as a dual boot on my iPhone 2G back in the day. People just didnt believed that is actually real.
This is something I'm going to try.
I try it on iphone 3g 😅❤
I've always hated intel atom CPUs, because even back in the day, they were super underpowered and disappointing. This palmtop can't do anything useful anymore.
The bigger problem with that one is the Intel GMA 500 (PowerVR SGX535) which has awful drivers. Most netbooks had Intel GMA 950 or 3150 which were actually made by Intel and had much better drivers. A lot of early 2000s games run fine on the GMA 950 and 3150 netbooks.
The Atom CPUs were fine for what they were made for and had really low power consumption
@@Pasi123 This makes sense, it really looked like a driver issue on the video, for example the start menu. If only they chose a different atom...
Even funnier thing is, chipset on earlier Atom netbooks were more power hungry than the cpu itself.
I had a Acer Revo PC at the time with an atom.. it was soooo slow.. the only reason it could be used at all was the gpu and media player classic leveraging that a lot.. so I could barely use windows on it.. but watching a ripped bluray in full HD was no problem..
@@olik136 I'm going to guess it had 1GB RAM and Windows 7
I could have gone my entire life without knowing what windows 8 looked like, but here I am
I think, the touch screen is used as a mouse pointer, instead of an actual touch screen.
True
Glad to see you back posting videos!!! Keep them coming. Stay safe and God bless.
next android x86 on netbooks
I'd love to get a modern Android x86 on a umpc VAIO. Tricky to get enough hardware support though.
@@JanusCycle wifi issue solved via rtl8811 wifi card
There’s an Intel Atom in the Amazon Echo Show 10 (second generation) if you were wondering
@@JanusCycle Try like a Eeepc android x86 build. They were made up from normal builds
Thanks for another awesome video Janus!
Fyi: the touch screen mouse issue with starcraft is due to a resolution mismatch. I've had that issue while playing starcraft and other dosbox games, anytime the monitor does not support that resolution natively. It's almost as if the game was built to support 800 x 600 only. Super weird.
Yay! Another upload! :D (I encourage you to try Windows 7 on that machine, as a portable Windows Media Center device.)
(Or Vista if you wanna get crazy)
Search to launch apps has been my go to method on windows since vista, when i had to stay using 8, search to launch was a godsend,
Start-no enter and notepad opens
Good to see someone else still uses their gpd win 1!
I was about to call out the DEFCON music. Then I saw the icon. Then you showed it.
it's so atmospheric
@@JanusCycle Heck yes it is!
that Defcon game is probably my fav back in the days.i got my copy thru some PC Magazine that comes with CD.the soundtrack is haunting especially when the nuclear hit your city and you watch the casualty rises
Haunting is a good description of this game and I love it.
I just acquired 4 Sony Vaio Duo 13 and one 11. These computer were designed to work with Windows 8.1, being a hybrid of laptop and tablet. I just love them! Currently I am trying all sort of Linux distros and Windows(es). Windows 8 and 8.1 I jumped, never had contact before and now I realize... it's weid. Dear Janus, I am looking for a Ubuntu for tablets to test. That would be nice to see in your oddware machine. Great video!
The VAIO Duos sound like fun, good luck.
I've got one of these in my closet! Haven't used it for a decade and the screen has many bad pixels but it's still there! I once used it as a standby pocket device for checking warehouse product stock on a sales floor.
Everytime janus uploads i feel happy
for future reference, you can slipstream drivers into an off-line Windows 8.x image before deployment by mounting both the setup and OS install images using the DISM utility (via an administrative command prompt).
assuming X is the drive letter where your source image is mounted and Y is the drive letter of where the image will be mounted:
mounting images:
DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\boot.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Index:1
DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\boot.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Index:2
DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\install.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Index:1
DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\install.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Index:2
installing drivers (assuming they (and their inf files) are extracted to their respective directories) to the offline OS images:
DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse
DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse
DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse
DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse
unmounting and saving changes:
DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Commit
DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Commit
DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Commit
DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Commit
refer to learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/add-and-remove-drivers-to-an-offline-windows-image?view=windows-11 for more information
These are the sort of details I really appreciate, thank you!
12:46 that error was the bane of my existance when i was playing with win8/8.1 on small screens...
I have an idea for that thingy:
Go back to XP and try to use a PS1 or a handheld emulator. This thing might not work well with Windows 8 (and considering Windows 8 is lacking support for basically anything) but it would make an awesome retro machine. I wanna playolder games or smth like Sims 1 on my phone so badly but a handheld pc is always better than a smartphone when it comes to the feels
Have you considered using an x86 emulator
if on android you can use something like winlator, mobox, termux with chroot and a linux distro on top
if ios i think there's a good app to help virtualize a x86 machine
Windows 8 is literally Windows 7 with some winrtapi features. I don't see how it's lacking support for anything. Windows XP is lacking support even more at this point.
@@андрей_свиридов
He is thinking of Windows RT which is Windows Mobile which never had app support and never supported full desktop application such as VLC and Audacity. You had to install a special Windows App Store version which is now non existent. Windows RT is iOS but with no support so it failed with the 2011 Windows Phone and 2012 Surface
@@pyeltd.5457 yeah, it also used ARM(v6/v7) architecture which was pretty unpopular at the time, and wasn't seen as future of the desktop PC's since they were only popular in hanndheld devices.
First Posy uploads and now you? It's a good day indeed.
Posy's new video was the first one I watched after finishing this upload and relaxing. His work is a huge inspiration and I'm pleased to be seen in a similar vein, thank you.
I played the hell out of Defcon back then. Miss those days. I still need to finish Uplink and Darwinia
Debian Window Maker Live: a time-mind trip without a seal ;)
Really enjoying your videos keep up the great work 👌
thanks!
Windows 8.1 did brought back the Start button and made directly to desktop instead of starr screen when turning on PC.
Back in the day, this device was a monster😁
Tasty Windows XP product key up for grabs, not that anyone would actually need that :D
I would love to know that someone used this key :)
Wonderful as always. Devices in that form factor with period appropriate atom chips like the z2760 would have been so much fun. They really dropped the ball with such boring devices in the windows 8 hayday.
I still have my old viliv n5 and s5 from back in the day, they were fun little PCs that gave you the power of x86 in your pocket which was handy. There weren't a lot of mobile apps back in the day so having an x86 pc allowed you to run normal apps on the go without having to lug a laptop if it wasn't always needed. I think the n5 had GPS as well if I remember correctly.
Android running on this thing... Imagine if someone hacked together a ROM for the 3G version with calling capabilities. A smartphone would be born.
really think this would be interesting to see some lightweight mobile style linux distro
You always end up finding the coolest devices to take a look at. This was a fun one. The GMA 500 graphics is weird and quite awful to support unfortunately. Perhaps XP Tablet PC edition or a cut down 7 would be the best choice for an OS, even if they are rather uninteresting!
XP Tablet would be a good finishing point after stressing this with other OSs :)
windows 8 and mobile were pretty great oses for the stuff they worked on, touch screens, and convertable laptops, windows 7 for standard laptops and desktops
pls make more vids on the vaio ux, you make great videos!
You're right, the UX deserves more.
I remember back when Windows 8 was starting to release, wanting to see the laptop displays to really see the touchscreen interface they were selling hard at the time. Before, with 7, it felt like innovation at its peak performance rather than an iPad competitor with fully bendable laptops and Surface Pros
These UMPCs are quite expensive back in the day. I am surprised that the build quality is still not on par with major manufacturers.
Awesome video Janus!!
You should try installing Adele Linux cuz the devs made it lightweight to the point you might be able to use on older CPUs than Viliv S5 PMP has. Worked on my Pentium 4 PC!
Thanks, I'll check this out. I also see Action Retro did a video on this recently.
Windows 8 ui as a phone was the best - it still would be awesome, especially for something as big as a 14 inch s9 tab ultra
I've got a viliv S5 as well, you can use the directional control as a mouse control, just press 3 seconds on "menu" and it will switch. Mine is the 3G modem, it has both GPS and 3G capabilities. Perfect little umpc
very interesting
You may wish to take a look at the Surface RT, it's pretty neat for what it is
A friend of mine recently gave me an old Asus Transformer T100 tablet with a removable keyboard, it's running windows 8 and I can see exactly what Windows 8 was going for BUT...... Back in 2013 I bought a Asus G46VW 'Gaming' laptop that was running windows 8, no touch screen... it was utter crap, the worst 'non touch' device OS.... I think Microsoft gets so deep into an idea they don't stop to think about their main customer base(see Windows 11 for more information).
P.S. Great video as always!!
WOW i have one of those use it for a Wearable setup with an HMD
4:55 - some devices have captive screws that lift the cover a bit when unscrewed, probably to make disassembly easier.
Maybe, but it didn't feel like they were supposed to be captive
Man I was using Win2003 up to 2020, then I jumped to win2008 (server editions, stripped down to the bone), fast, stable and does anything I wanna do, I'm not a mindless gamer so I'm not forced to roll with the newer spywares.
I had one of these viliv when it first came out. I played with it for a bit but was too slow for media stuff I wanted to use. The iPad was released the following year, I sold the viliv and haven’t looked back since.
Netbook with touchscreen, same users bought that Qualcomm Windows tablet.
Thank you
Thanks
You're awesome, thanks!
The first time I used window 8.1 was on a Nokia lumia 630 it ran like butter on that phone to me it's one of the most underrated window versions because it felt futuristic it had it's bad sides but I feel like if they given it more time and optimize it then it would have been one of greatest window operating systems
Viliv S5 is an underrated UMPC
Personally I don't mind the missing start button. Partly because at the time I was already using wp8 and windows 8 made the experience on my desktop seamless, also I always hit that win key on the keyboard to pull up start anyway.
When 8.1 came out, it was a great improvement on tablet and phone, and I don't mind it in desktop environment either. Maybe because I'm heavy on keyboard and shortcut to begin with. For laptop however I was using the last osx, simply because nobody can beat that company' trackpad even though during this time MS came out with precision touchpad.
My only gripe was on the server side, skipped srv2012 and held to srv2008r2 until srv2016 came out.
My first exposure to Windows 8 was on a tablet designed for it, the HP Stream 7. And honestly, on a tablet designed for Windows 8 it wasn't too bad. Unfortunately they really half reared the design of the hardware so it has a 32bit uefi so it can't run 64bit windows even though it has a 64bit processor so it's forever stuck in the past. I yearn for a similar device, around 7 inches, runs desktop windows, has at least 8gb of ram. I would immediately make it my primary portable computer. Unfortunately everyone seems to be goo goo ga ga for 12+ inch tablets which are too big to fit in a pocket. I can't even find an android tablet with flagship specs at the small screen size I want. Apparently if you want a small screen in a compact device that also means you want budget specs.
I loved the small size of the Stream 7. It was nice to be able to carry a full Windows PC in a pocket and it used MicroUSB for charging so it was possible to charge it with a regular power bank.
But annoyingly it only had one MicroUSB port and a 3.5mm headphone jack. It would have been nice to be able to charge it while having a USB device plugged in. HDMI would have been nice to have too
If you can look past the lack of a Start Menu, Windows 8.x was a surprisingly solid OS. At its foundation it built on Windows 7, and I found on earlier machines it ran better than Windows 7. The lack of a Start Menu is also solved with Classic Shell or Start8. I used this setup on a 2006 DELL XPS M1730 for a while and it worked really well.
As for the Viliv, unfortunately that graphics chip is a complete non-starter and is really the black sheep in the Intel GMA family. Claimed to be an Intel GMA chip, it's in fact a rebranded PowerVR SGX 535 which wasn't a bad mobile GPU to be fair - but it has awful, awful drivers. Which is a shame because if it had better driver support, I'm sure it'd be a solid GPU.
I remember years ago trying to upgrade an Acer Aspire One to Windows 8.1, wanting to use it as a media laptop. Got a Broadcom HD decoder board to handle video playback and an SSD. Tried to find touchscreen kits for it, but never did.
Memories. Lol
Such a good looking device!!!
you can install open shell to make 8 look like you want. it was what i done first 5 min after purchase win8 laptop (it was classic shell back then), while whole world whining about they can't use 8.
2:11 there is a very similar Asus UMPC called the R2H.
I had one back in the day and regretted not just getting a 7 inch eee instead.
Another interesting machine with no keyboard, great mention.
Thank you.
Nice work
Thank you
Viliv! I have a Viliv N5 in my closet somewhere. Absolutely terrible keyboard... ended up with it because the mbook bz was way backordered in those days.
I suspect that if you want to play games on that thing your best choice might be reverting it back to Windows XP. I have an old Atom netbook that's a few years newer than that one, but not much, and I remember reading back in the day that despite the fact than that generation of Atom devices always came with W7 many installed XP as a secondary OS just for gaming since the GMA drivers had better performance on XP. I've still managed to run some mid to late 2010's indie games on it but only 2D stuff, for 3D the limit was mid 2000's era games or the rare later game that was optimized to run on a toaster like the original release of "Aaaaa! for the Awesome" (the new remastered version has almost no optimization, it almost killed my modern laptop simply because it expects a dedicated GPU, runs fine on desktop tho).
I used both 8 and 8.1 for a total of two and a half years before 10 came out. Really, I had no issues with 8 or 8.1 in my daily usage, same thing with Vista. I’m not really having issues with 11 either. Of course, I used 7 for a number of years. Good ol’ XP has been in use by me since 2002. I don’t use it as much anymore, but it does come in handy.
I really liked Windows 8 controversial lol. It shines with a touch device like a tablet, but indeed for most desktop PCs without touch screens etc, it's not a great idea to replace the desktop with the tiles as the main focus. With a modern windows tablet, you cant get the old tiled display which is disappointing.
Windows 8/8.1 was pretty good IMO, I quite liked the tile-based Start menu
Honesly, I liked it back in the day, and didn't understand why people hated it, but now, being a bit older, win 8 is just weird.
Its kernel/under-the-hood changes also make it much faster than 7 on the same hardware. Shame they f'd up the rest of the system along the way
Windows 8.1 is great even rival Windows 7 in term of speed and looks but Windows 8 is pure trash@@kam_mil
Dosbox is running at a lower resolution but the touch screen is working for the native resolution, so it's confusing dosbox with its scaling of the touch commands
If you bought this via buyee, we might have bid on the same unit :)
Viliv was really cool back then. Along with UMID, they made some of the coolest 1st gen Atom UMPCs. I highly recommend the N5. At the time, it was one of the best mini laptops money can buy. While the S5 is rare, the N5 is a lot harder to find nowadays.
If buying from Japan, UMID devices there were rebranded as Kohjinsha (工人舎) PM series and Onkyo (オンキョウ) BX series. The former is the UMID M1, and the latter is the BZ.
I didn't get this from Japan. It was a local purchase for a good price. Thanks for the info. I saw a Kohjinsha device on eBay and wondered what it is.
Highly disagree! I am the original owner of an N5 still in my closet. The keyboard on it was terrible, the distance between keys is near zero so inadvertent strikes are common. It also had lots of missed keystrikes and double strikes. The Open Pandora 1ghz model ended up being my daily driver UMPC until fairly recently.
New daily is pretty much a Panasonic LetsNote CF-RZ4, or one of a ton of Samsung Chromebook 3's with linux installed. Not exactly UMPC's but small compared to the norm today, no issues with linux, and good battery life.
I should be finally getting my ClockworkPi Uconsole in the next few days which I am really excited for because it should last forever (18650 batteries, and a Pi Compute Module 4...so the commonly failing/upgrade things can be replaced).
Kohjinsha rebranded a lot of Korean UMPCs in the late 2000s and early 2010s. They had several mini laptops powered by AMD Geode, and a few Atom UMPCs (PM and PA series')
@crsv7armhl I think this is a case of YMMV. I have fairly thin fingers and can thumb type my way on both the UMID and Viliv N5. I wouldn't write a document on any of themselves, but for casual browsing and short messaging, they were perfect.
I currently have both a GPD Pocket 2 and P2 Max. I can thumb type on the Pocket 2, and pick type on the P2 max comfortably. Again, I don't use either for any serious work, but for email, casual browsing, and the like, I really enjoy them
i was use viliv's Car GPS, so nostalgic
2:40 Time out for current desk top switching for windows. If we just swap out the desktop items and the foreground and background items, then we might not have to load the entire resources of creating and deploying and destroying entire environments of desktops.
Remix OS is an Android OS that has a desktop mode and a dedicated tablet mode for touchscreen devices. It uses Android 6 but still has support for most apps/ Playstore. It comes in 32bit and 64bit versions. If you decide to try it and need any file or apk I will be happy to share what I have. I still use Remix OS on x86 hardware for game emulation, ftp server, media, and more. Remix OS can be installed to a usb 3.0 drive with persistence via Rufus. Don't use the Rufus settings for persistence, just burn the iso as you would normally.
Thanks, I wonder how well it does with older hardware.
@@JanusCycle I have always got favorable results with Remix OS on old and new hardware alike. This OS was created by a few former employees of Google. You should at least try it on a 3.0 usb drive. If you need anything such as but not limited to, the Playstore activator apk, or help in general I will be happy to do what I can. You don't need the Google service activator apk, it's just easier if wanted.
Installing a current version of Linux on the device would improve performance as it is less resource hungry than Windows, at the same time making it more secure and modern.
But can it run DOOM?
Duh
I have actually used Windows 8.1. I bought a Dell Venue 8 Pro in 2013. It had Win8.1 and since it was purely a tablet, I thought it worked great on it, excellent even. I liked it better than Win10 when in tablet mode.
This lil thing looks neato, I also always loved UMPCs, ever since seeing the Vaio UX50 on display in a Best Buy.
For me, it enough just owning something so small and cool and even if it is a bit useless, even the thought of the potential of something if it were perfect is also good enough.
I have another Windows 8.1 tablet, from Insignia, it is extremely useless but it has a MicroSD card slot accessible from the side along with the Micro USB port and also a Micro HDMI port. If it were faster, with that Micro HDMI port I could have a special HDMI cable and a very large SD card and play almost any media I wanted, whereever I wanted on any HDMI screen. But alas, it is far too slow to even do that. But I still keep it know that such is a possibility.
I'd personally leave this on XP and use it for like music and a weather display or something small like that.
sory late 5 hours ...already save to watch later...waiting you for next video...love your content video
You should try to let the Windows 8 install all the drivers automatically. Also by letting it install all the Windows updates, you should eventually get the normal Start button.
Would Microsoft be hosting these weird drivers though? I wanted the no start button for that 2012 experience.
Liked this video, you could try Windows Thin PC on it, it's like a Windows 7 but lightweight
I would love to see this running Linux.
Nice one . When is a handset, not a palmtop? ..😅
I am an original owner of a Viliv S5. They definitely work better with XP. 8 is too much for the limited CPU on it. Games from 2001 to 2004 are better. But Flight Simulator 2002 won't run on it. After many years of trying to find a good use for it I think it's best for like a journal or something.
Good to hear from an original S5 owner. They do seem optimum for XP.
Thank you for another video! I would actually keep this system with windows xp, if you are looking for a nice PC to try out 8/8.1, you should give Dell Venue 8 Pro a try. It's an atom-based tablet that handles 8.1 pretty well, just beware that there are like 20 different versions of the tablet, ranging from 1 to 4GB of ram, at least 2 different screen resolutions and probably 4 different CPUs. If you want to get the "best" one, it would be the model 5855.
DEFCON!
yeah, Windows 8 was so badly received by the public that they made Windows 8.1 which brought the start button back, either way i hated using both of them, 8 just got rid of the menu as a whole and 8.1 just kind of shoehorned it back in as an afterthought.
Kinda curious if Tiny10 or Tiny11 will work on this palmtop or if something like Zorin OS will work I would also give a shot of something like Android 9 X86 32bit a try too since it's running an old Atom CPU and has a low amount of RAM
wish they still made PCs like these, i love the oqo but the specs are so bad its un-usable today.
I wonder how well it could handle ReactOS or EmuELEC. If I had one, I think I'd updrade the SSD, and dual boot XP or 7 for playing old games, and Debian + XFCE for going online.
I had Windows 8 on a Surface Pro 3. I liked it. Though I’m mostly a Mac user. I thought this kinda had the middle ground of my iPad I liked and a desktop OS. I reckon if they pushed for this to work, and didn’t make my Lumia 800 redundant within a year (I really liked that phone until windows mobile 8 didn’t come out for it), I would be a windows fanboy.
Very interesting video
thanks
Maybe throw every OS you can think of at it and see which one works best on on the quirky thing.
makes me want another umpc. one that isnt either too old or too expensive.... hmmm