Time Team S18-E08 Castles and Cannons (Mont Orgueil, Jersey)
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- Опубликовано: 17 мар 2013
- The Team visit Jersey to investigate the origins of Mont Orgueil Castle: a fortress that came to symbolise the Channel Islands' bond with Britain.
The massive castle that dominates the shore today is a Tudor structure built on earlier foundations, and it's that early castle, built by King John, that the Team are looking for.
Unfortunately everything is built on top of a rock outcrop with the steepest sides the archaeologists have ever encountered, and they have to employ mountaineers to help get them and their equipment up the sheer slopes; it's not an excavation for the faint-hearted.
As the dig continues, shadows of that original castle are discovered and a story emerges of how Mont Orgueil came to symbolise Jersey and the Channel Islands' peculiar relationship with Britain and France.
It was fought over, lost and won back again for centuries, but the massive stone walls that the Team uncover ultimately proved futile against the might of gunpowder.
Stewart is a landscape magician. Love the conversations between Mick and Stewart.
It's so funny them all looking up to the castle saying that's a seriously steep Slope. All I can think of is all the poor buggers who had to haul all that granite up there and build the damn thing! That must have been sheer torture.
This castle was also a prison. Inside, prisoners were working on treadmills to grind pepper. It literally ate their lungs. Think of that when you admire this piece of architecture.
When I was young in the 1960s we just called it Gorey Castle. Around the 1980s we were told you "must start calling it Mont Orgeuil". This corresponded with a growing awareness that the last two people or so who could speak Jersey French would soon leave us and that the remaining French flair needed to be protected and extended in order to attract tourists and make the place seem more exotic than it was. Let us call it the Bergeracisation of Jersey. But there was a time before the French and British Crowns fought over this rock when it was a simple enclosure and neither French nor English were spoken here. Im fact Gorey derives from the Breton/celtic word gouriz meaning Belt or enclosure. And that word is related to the word court which comes from the French word meaning yard(of a castle or farm) which is also form of enclosure.
"i know you want the early stuff Fred Flintstone..." LOL. Classic Time Team!
"There was rumours of cake..." Well done Mick.
They manage to make great episodes like this one despite the lack of showstopping finds. Stone the crows!
Has to be one of the very best episodes. Everyone on top of their game! And what a beautiful castle to boot!
Wiping tears of laughter. "I'm losing the will to live." Luv the Viking horns on the helmets.
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Thank you so much for posting these episodes. many a wintery night spent watching and learning.
Just love these castle videos, my Uncle Eddie was an artist and worked for what he called " the British Hysterical Society " his job was to draw and paint number the stones before renovations were started.
THAT is very cool!!!
30:38 "I'm losing the will to live." Ha! I love Phil.
+nyssa1049 that whole shelly mortar dialog was by far the most hysterical bit ive ever seen on time team. "Im loosing the will to live:" Phil Harding at his most hilarious!!
This was a terrific episode and really showcased everyone's expertise. Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble would be proud. Thanks again Reijer :)
As usual, Phil +Raksha=beauty.
Then, of course, you've Geophys Jon and Mick the archeologist god.
the british have such good humor and can question each other with out fist fights ensuing so beautiful a real civilization. take us back please from murica
Tony calling Phil, Fred Flintstone, Time Team gold!
A COMPLETE tower down under there?!
Good god, dig a shaft and send some probes in there, I bet there's some good archaeological material in there
It is fascinating to learn something about this part of Jersey Island. I have seen very little discussed about the Channel Islands in history books and discussions.
I am enjoying this show. (from Texas)
Ditto, NC ;-)
closest show we have is retarded trump facts on ancient aliens where they just help sell their own books with lies:(
Mick was looking so haggard in this episode and seemed to be a bit slow putting his words together. It made me pause the video and google him. I was so heartbroken to see that Mick had passed in 2013. He was always genuine, with a great geek humor.
Indeed. He was the heart and mind. The passion w TT.
Professor Aston had suffered from ill health throughout his life, suffering from the respiratory disease Aspergillosis during the 1980s and a brain haemorrhage in 2003. He looks visibly haggard in this episode, though he was only 66 years old.
Rick Bergles Oh! So that’s why he was not in a few of those episodes in season 10-11. I had not heard.
Love this episode. The stratosphere / layers of fortifications is Soo fascinating. From arrows to cannon balls. Repellant. This IS history. Brilliant
There are also the remains of a Roman Fort on the site, so gladius and javelin as well.
Thanks so much for posting.
One of the best Time Team episodes I have ever watched!!!
26.18 Mick to Fay: "That's a cracking section you've got there!" Certainly is Mick, certainly is...
this is my island home! i love the history!
dramaqueen5748 Me too. I hope one day they do a dig at Elizabeth Castle
That's how we play the game, glad you enjoyed your stay! 🙂🥓🍳☕️
One of the top ten on the most interesting list.
"WOW" to quote Stewart. :)
If you're interested in the scanning technology, there was a series called "Time Scanners" that used it in several historic sites.
"FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!" - Stewart the maps man
Phil in that helmet lol
Rumors of cake..I only came for the cake !
2:14 - Looks very much how they mow the grass on Copenhagens old citadelle :D
Find these videos fascinating! Thank you for posting them! I can happily binge watch these very informative episodes.
would be more interested in what the earliest inhabitants were and if there is any evidence of them left. This landscape would have been much a part of Doggerland.
If goats can remove vegetation from hillsides they should have straped the geo to them and lt them go at it.
Love how certain guys have interest in certain periods and like the long haired "expert said to the short bald one, "You have absolutely no interest in the ……" LOL."
beautiful show!!!!!
I like that they don't glamorize archeology, just picks and shovels and hard work.
Looks like they all got there cloths from the same thrift store LOL.
Still looks glamorous to me, but then again, I wanted to be an Archeologist when I was 5... shame it's not really that easy to get into, and it's less of a career field and more of a hobby these days.
Kinda still need a day job unless you're at the top of the field or get a TV show.
Thrift store clothes make sense. When you are mucking around in dirt and mud all day and never know when rain is going to come pouring down on you wearing good clothes is silly.
I bet there are areas in the buildings where areas have become enclosed during modification after modification. And then forgotten about.
The two towers at the top of the Castle are actually WW2 German fortifications. Hitler had a fantasy about the Islands being a Strength through Joy holiday paradise. As a result he insited a lot of fortifications had superbly worked granite facinging to blend in and not spoil the view.
I went into the southern German tower just a few weeks back, I'd always wanted to see the view from inside there over St Clements but never managed it before then (there's never enough time to make it all around the place).
It's only once you've climbed up inside it that you realise there's a huge drop straight down past the floor below to a steep downward-spiralling staircase.
Needless to say, I climbed back down very carefully, and happy that I'd satisfied my curiosity vowed never to climb up in there again.
Stupid is as stupid does, I guess, 🤷🏻♂️🍻
thankyou
One of the best
37:50
That's just not true.
Smoothbore firearms of that time were deadly, but you stood a better chance with a 500 yards with a smoothbore than an arrow.
I been loading ammo since before I knew what it was, even point blank "Chunks of human" and killing several people behind is a downright lie.
yeah, the 3 people dead thing is ridiculous.
However, muskets were more accurate and long ranged than many people give them credit, and bows were less far ranged than people think, so...
i get this is an old post so little sense throwing my 2 cents in, but for the time period in which this video is investigating, that being the 1300s for the castle and the 1600s for the cannons, a bow and arrow was actually better still then the smoothbore.
depending on the physical ability and experience of the english longbowman they could shoot between 180 and 270 yards with accuracy on flat terrane and in this case they would have been in a castle on top of a hill which would have increased their range significantly with little damage to their accuracy.
on the other hand prior to the development of the maine ball ammo type in the 1800s a smoothbore had next to no accuracy outside of 300 yards. while the smoothbore at the time could technically out range the english longbow for total distance if it could not hit the target then it was not superior. it was due to this and the fact that in comparison to the bow it had a much slower rate of fire that even though europe had muskets from the 15th century onwards they were not used in warfare even in a limited capacity until the early 16th century and then more heavily in the mid 17th century.
i do agree though that the example of hitting one person with a musket shot at the time and killing multiple people behind them did sound like a bit of an exaggeration. though people have tested this and you could realistically kill one person behind the first target depending on the range.
Stewart should stick to the landscape, because he's a real lightweight with everything else. From that height there's no way the range of a bow is only 100 yards. Could probably have hit Faye with a thrown stone from up there.
thanks for the post 6-16-2022
How could you not believe every word spoken by a man named Professor Warwick Rodwell, lol. I bet he's even an Esq.
yes...Professor Warwick Rodwell, bvd, dvr, swmbo, esq.
Warwick Rodwell is an extremely experienced and well-known archaeologist in Britain. Did you notice Tony's line that Warwick has been 'working on' Mont Orgueil for 30 years? What this means is that he has been looking after the castle and giving sound archaeological advice for 30 years, as he has to many monuments in Britain as a whole. And for your advice, every adult male in Britain is an Esquire, but it's just a term we don't use any more.
He has O.B.E after his name.
The dismissive attitude that many Brits show toward their prehistoric archaeology is confusing to me. That was the most interesting part of this to me, and I would love to know more about the deep ancient past of this site!
In England, if you pick up a pebble and toss it, it will most likely land within a foot of an archaeological artifact!
And the pebble will probably be an artifact too.
Other end of the Rock. La Cotte De St Brelade.
'It is a ridiculously steep slope.' Wasn't that the general idea when this castle was originally sited and built there? You don't build castles that are easily approachable.
Can Tony get any close to the steering wheel?!?!? LMBO!
I think he's only about 5'4", so could prolly manage it.
my grandfather used to drive that way - clutching the wheel for dear life..
omg they killed Faye, Matt and Henry...
"Observation stored." Trimble gear, AND measuring reflectorless. high end kit. oh man. and a scanner.
Sad to realize dear Mick passed away only 3 months after this was filmed.... :(
This aired March 11, 2011 and Mick passed in 2013, so 3 years actually.
18:16 i found Waldo
What I’d like to learn about is how the heck those huge castles were even built!!??
FORCE LABOR...FRENCH THAT IS XD.
I will never understand why anyone would try to capture a castle, once you get your enemy holed up in one you have complete control of the land and can do like the Romans did to a Celtic fort and build a defensive position around the castle. When your enemy gives up or starves you get an even more defendable castle.
JETWTF Capture represents a political victory more than anything else - sends a message to your enemies. You also want the castle for yourself in many cases. Merely trapping your enemies in their castle doesn’t do this. Also takes too much time to starve castles into surrender in many cases - take it quickly by force and move on before enemy reinforcements arrive.
As an American I've always been vaguely aware there is likely a place called "Jersey" based solely on the fact we have a state called New Jersey but this is my first actual evidence such a place truly exists. I couldn't be quite sure you see because I was born in a town called "Jersey Shore" which is set deep in Central Pennsylvania and thus hundreds of miles from the nearest shore.
New Jersey was named by Phillip De Cartret. Cartert incidentally is a small French fishing port. Go due East of the castle for about 14 miles, you can't miss it. The Ecrehous, in the middle belong to us by the way.
Well you could have looked it up in google maps :D
1:20 - Tony says the castle "dominates the beaches of western Jersey", while the map shows it to be located on the eastern side of the island?
I have a house in California that was built in 1942. It has a stone foundation and fireplace with lime mortar. The lime mortar cracked and crumbled to the point that a few stones fell out. We chipped out the cracked areas and replaced the missing rocks. We replaced the mortar that was badly damaged. Castles like the one shown have stood for hundreds and hundreds of years, with their original mortar still intact. Why is modern mortar so bad while the mortar made so long ago still perfectly strong?
Mistake at start . It guards eastern Jersey not Western side
@ 17:30 " the corner of a round tower" now I don`t understand a frigging shit!!!!!
Well, since he was dangling on a line, I guess we can excuse the fact that he got his words tangled. He obviously meant a round corner tower, as he had said about an earlier tower.
Can anyone tell me why Mick wears the colorful sweater? What does it represent?
Rakshaw looks like that chic from the office US version. This is such a great show!
I miss bald Rick
who is the artist?
Victor Ambrus - I like him, he never says much. :-)
There's cake just down the hill
And this needs doing properly.
They act like climbing up and down that little hill around the castle is some daredevil feat. I climb ladders at work 40 to 60 ft high and usually do not wear any sort of harness. I and my daughter have went hiking in the blueridge mountains(U.S) and climbed much higher and steeper hills than this one.
So Mont Orgeuil "dominates the approaches to western Jersey" does it? There is just one problem with that theory. Mont Orgeuil ist on Jersey's east coast.
could mean approaches to "western jersey" as in Jersey that is to the west of you (from western mainland france). or just a mistake
@@mcanta2898 "Dominates the approaches to western Jersey" is fairly unambiguous. Apart from the minor point that a castle cannot dominate approaches but at the most overlook them, to do this the castle would need to be located on the west or north-west coast not on the east coast - its present location.
western or eastern???
It really was o golden age of television compared to Ancient Aliens and crappy house flipper shows.
the main guy (i forgot his name) should grow his fro back lol.
Why ? Henry ? video stop dead. 🎯
Mont Orgeuil is referred to as an "English castle" at around 2:50. Wrong! Jersey was never part of, nor did it ever belong to England. I do wish they had briefed their specialists about the special constitutional status of Jersey before filming started.
*Jersey* was part of the *Norman* empire which was by then principally *England.*
@@philaypeephilippotter6532 Normandy, to which Jersey once belonged, was and is not an empire. It was once a dukedom and is now an administrative region of France. It was never part of England, neither principally whatever that means, nor in any other way by any stretch of the imagination. If it were part of England it would have an MP in the Houses of Parliament. It doesn't. Nor does the Isle of Man. Jersey is a Bailwick.
IT BELONGS TO THE KING@@bertoldriesenteil1430
I think TT`s pronunciation and spelling Orgueil is wrong. I think it should be pronounced "Orgeuil" similar the modern French pronunciation and not "Orgoyil" - or is it just Tony that has it wrong?
Tony should be canonized. With an actual cannon.
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Celto Loco It's called a "joke".
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Fired from one at great velocity.
So Mont Orgeuil "played a crucial role in the defence of the CI and of Great Britain". How did that work, Jersey isn't even part of Great Britain?
Nor are many places crucial in the defence of GB.
Helen must have a landing strip, her haircut is something like that (smile)
the closest thing to this in my shitty country is fucking alien archeology shows no wonder a wrestler is our king. murica! ffs
I feel bad for English men because English women are quite homely.
I think he is mistaken about musket balls going thru a man at 300 yards They had smooth bore barrels they would have been lucky to hit a target 75 yards away and certainly not with repeatable accuracy. Rifled musket barrels came later in the 1800s
If all your looking for is eye candy, I hope you have more money than sense. Because eye candy isn't cheap, and it don't last very long either... As far as Muskets, that's why they fired in volleys. A quick google search says rifled barrels were invented in Germany in 1498.
The first sentence by Richard “ jurk” qualifies him as the idiot of the year. What are the chances that American women are flocking to him?
Sigh... 20 minutes in... these guys ever find anything besides trinkets and petrified dog poo??