Feral donkeys - guardian animals or Chinese 'ejiao' medicine? 🐴💊 | Wild Rides Ep 2 | ABC Australia

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  • @mareebrazier878
    @mareebrazier878 3 года назад +19

    God bless this family for saving these precious animals.

    • @ThPappas
      @ThPappas 3 года назад +1

      Are you sure that they save the donkeys?Have you ever heard about ejiao?

    • @mareebrazier878
      @mareebrazier878 3 года назад +3

      @@ThPappas
      Yes, they are saving the donkey's.

  • @jourdainhiini6548
    @jourdainhiini6548 2 года назад +13

    I've loved donkeys since I was a kid. I've always heard they are the best guard animals for livestock. I'm glad they are being put to use rather than being culled.

    • @toddbennett7157
      @toddbennett7157 2 года назад +1

      "Culled" doesn't necessarily mean "killed".

  • @Abby1952
    @Abby1952 4 года назад +71

    As a guard against wild dogs you couldn't do much better than a donkey, they hate dogs. I've had donkeys and my dog learnt very quickly not to go in the paddock.

  • @ardshielcomplex8917
    @ardshielcomplex8917 3 года назад +31

    I grew up in the far north of South Australia, my grandparents kept Donkeys to keep the Dingoes awsy from the Sheep, and Peacocks with Guinea Fowl to keep the Snakes under control.

    • @missyrabbit5250
      @missyrabbit5250 3 года назад

      Good to know. Was thinking about guard dogs. Our problem is feral pigs and hogs

    • @timnicholls19
      @timnicholls19 3 года назад +6

      My pop always said every animal has its uses

    • @stuarth43
      @stuarth43 Год назад

      as do farmers in Africa, where the have the secretary bird, birds that eat mostly snakes

    • @jimbojones5083
      @jimbojones5083 Год назад

      @@missyrabbit5250 you gotta shoot and trap em they'll ok but breed your dogs and won't care about em and probably end up eating them

  • @matty730
    @matty730 4 года назад +22

    I find this incredibly resourceful, taking a foreign pest then utilising it to protect crops / economy / livelihoods.

  • @SY27196
    @SY27196 3 года назад +70

    This is 10th video I see about feral animal in Australia
    Good God why aren't people considered feral here

  • @ArcaneInfernal
    @ArcaneInfernal 3 года назад +7

    I've never seen a herd of feral donkeys. Amazing.

    • @samesmail6003
      @samesmail6003 3 года назад

      Look at Trump family no difference !

  • @zedwms
    @zedwms 4 года назад +118

    Feeding a feral donkey beer, while talking about saving them, on national TV, hahahahaha, only in Australia.

    • @matty730
      @matty730 4 года назад +4

      haha funny. Apparently horses love the taste too as it tastes similar to grains in horse feed.

    • @fullmetalalvarez6202
      @fullmetalalvarez6202 3 года назад

      For real

    • @GPainx
      @GPainx 3 года назад +1

      I’m an Aussie.. I don’t see how a donkey could be replaced with a working horse, who is made for mustering and riding and all that.. but whatever.

    • @NAVYABHAN
      @NAVYABHAN 3 года назад

      I noticed that too! It's okay though as long as the Donkey gets his 6 Pack!

    • @ccptrollhunter3125
      @ccptrollhunter3125 3 года назад +1

      There’s always a wowser somewhere ready to complain about life on the land...

  • @Gaspo123
    @Gaspo123 4 года назад +56

    I love how the RSPCA says a bullet is better than a pat and a stubby.
    Even if it's a xxxx gold.

    • @angusmeads3803
      @angusmeads3803 4 года назад +5

      I could not think of a better life

    • @treed5679
      @treed5679 4 года назад +14

      @ Angus Meads, RSPCA will ruin all rural life if we let them

    • @RandomsFandom
      @RandomsFandom 3 года назад

      The govt needs a donk.

    • @Aethuviel
      @Aethuviel 3 года назад +6

      They are concerned about the stress and suffering, and sure a lengthy capture and transport process means more stress and thus suffering, but animals don't just want to avoid suffering, they want to live. I'm sure if you asked the donkeys, they'd prefer capture to death. I'm all for shooting and culling invasive species, but if people want them and don't release them again, even better. Just get them off the land.

    • @michaeljones6832
      @michaeljones6832 3 года назад +3

      he wasnt very sure which way was actually more humane, he had no statistics or studies to quote, but surprisingly leant towards culling them. didnt expect that

  • @PaisanosRoostFarm
    @PaisanosRoostFarm 4 года назад +18

    Paisano's Roost Farm, Southern New Mexico: We have a pair of guard donkeys for our flock of American Blackbelly Sheep. No losses to coyotes since the arrival of our donkeys. Before the donkeys, lost 3 sheep. Previous owners lost lost of livestock to coyotes and feral dogs. We will always have donkeys with our sheep.

  • @harleysayer8928
    @harleysayer8928 7 месяцев назад +1

    I was sceptical at first but this guy is doing a great job at saving them instead of having them shot.

  • @PalmettoNDN
    @PalmettoNDN 3 года назад +17

    I've seen a donkey kill a coyote after some goats and then carry it around rotting for days as a trophy. The donkey was offended when the owner finally took the coyote away and threw it away over the fence. They don't play.

  • @gmathis4829
    @gmathis4829 3 года назад +12

    If you've ever lost Livestock or Pets to Coyotes , Feral Swine, or Pack Dogs, you'd know why these Donkey Traders make an Honest Living.

  • @anubisbonez6227
    @anubisbonez6227 4 года назад +17

    He gave the donkey some beer lmfao

  • @KevinRAAMAAAGE
    @KevinRAAMAAAGE 4 года назад +14

    There is a lot the US and Australia can learn from each other when it comes to managing equids, and so much that is similar.

  • @LilacDaisy2
    @LilacDaisy2 3 года назад +18

    RSPCA said what? I'd much rather a REALLY bad day then a good life, than a bullet and NO life!

    • @stevej3297
      @stevej3297 3 года назад +7

      And a beer don’t forget

  • @ROBBANKS666666
    @ROBBANKS666666 4 года назад +16

    This way the donkeys live and everyone has a story to tell.

  • @scottydees2748
    @scottydees2748 4 года назад +22

    That's an amazing outcome. RSPCA Says shoot em! Remember that next time your choosing an RSPCA approved product.

    • @TheJewel006
      @TheJewel006 3 года назад +4

      yeah i was so shocked !! according to them a little shock is worse than culling! what was he smoking?

    • @jasondrummond9451
      @jasondrummond9451 3 года назад +2

      @@TheJewel006 He probably belongs to PETA - they believe that animals are better off dead than as pets. Never surrender an animal to a PETA 'shelter' - it will be killed before you walk out the door.

  • @thefunhauszooscea253
    @thefunhauszooscea253 3 года назад +10

    I like this family very creative thinking and it makes money.

    • @mikes3827
      @mikes3827 3 года назад

      BINGO! Exactly right. What makes it SUCH a win-win-win is A) LOTS livestock will be saved; B) Slews of donkeys would have been tragically culled/killed if not rounded up; C) man and his family manage it and have turned it into a business. BRILLIANT! I tell ya this, the donkey is THE most versatile/useful animal there is (even over a dog), and while historically they've spent their lives around ppl, they are also EXTREMELY formidable animals.
      I'm guessing these Aussies know dingos would be wise to stay away from a donkey, because donkeys are VERY smart, and they know they can weaponize those lethal rear kicks. One solid shot to a dingo's head and it's lights out for the dingo. Horses will generally flee from conflict, whereas a donkey stands its ground and will fight.

  • @LilacDaisy2
    @LilacDaisy2 3 года назад +9

    For such a dry country, it's amazing there's so much fodder out there for "problem" populations of deer, roo, donkey, horse, goat.

    • @spegmatica
      @spegmatica 3 года назад

      You forgot pigs, cats, cane toads and the filthiest of them all the dreaded trash turkey

    • @LilacDaisy2
      @LilacDaisy2 3 года назад +2

      @@spegmatica and camels. (But I like bush turkeys)

    • @toddbennett7157
      @toddbennett7157 2 года назад +1

      That's just the sort of habitat that wild asses evolved in and are specially adapted to!

  • @SalmaMohamed-vx7me
    @SalmaMohamed-vx7me 4 года назад +9

    Next video: feral humans in Australia 😂😂 god definitely blessed this continent

    • @braith6533
      @braith6533 4 года назад +2

      Blessed is a bit of a stretch especially when we have feral horses camels cats rabbits cats and dogs and eggs as well killing all of our nativeand with constant drought coupled with fires it's not exactly accurate lol

    • @zmac8689
      @zmac8689 4 года назад

      Yes can't wait to see that!

    • @delishme2
      @delishme2 Год назад

      We have them too, Bogans and hairy Hippies a plenty 😂

  • @duggdugg176
    @duggdugg176 Год назад +2

    I live on a side road about 40 miles out of Kingston, Ontario - it's farm country and forests and animals, including a pack of coyotes, some coywolves, a resident bobcat and a few other predators. Everyone I know out here who has any livestock or poultry also has one or two donkeys on their land and it's very rare to hear of anyone ever losing an animal or a bird. Donkeys take their work very seriously...

  • @janefreeman4121
    @janefreeman4121 4 года назад +5

    In Hawaii we had the same type of donkeys with the band of darker color over the shoulder. They were originally brought in to haul sugar cane and then survived feral in the driest area in all of Oceania. They started to encroach on a town so a local vet arranged to have them rounded up and given to farmers and gentleman farmers. I sometimes fed a pair of them who ate back invasive bamboo. They can have funny personalities and noisily demanding for their supplemental food! The same vet has a horse from the Secretariat line. That horse was paired with one of the local wild horses in an agricultural Valley. The owner affectionately calls the offspring his taro bred. Taro is used to make poi a Hawaii staple food.

  • @lindaterrell5535
    @lindaterrell5535 4 года назад +8

    Strong, sure footed, and easy keepers.

  • @nickinportland
    @nickinportland 2 года назад +2

    Somehow RUclips has decided I’m Australian and I’m not but I’m also kind of excited about it 😂

  • @Tiger1x1
    @Tiger1x1 3 года назад +25

    Every domestic animal is domestic until it reaches Australia..

  • @Friends.19166
    @Friends.19166 3 года назад +2

    What a legend👌👌👌 all round good bloke

  • @tobyihli9470
    @tobyihli9470 3 года назад +2

    I love donkeys. Coolest animal around. Australia has a right to protect its wildlife, so if someone doesn’t capture them without abusing them, they will be shot. I get it, I just hope the authorities have a little patience and let people like these try. Good on these people. Best of luck.

    • @toddbennett7157
      @toddbennett7157 2 года назад

      Congratulations on a well balanced and informed opinion. You're MILES ahead of most people!

  • @sparkkie804
    @sparkkie804 4 года назад +6

    So thats why there's a Donkey in the cow pen at Carmody Dell in RDR2 lol I didn't know donkeys were guardians

  • @Dog.soldier1950
    @Dog.soldier1950 Год назад +1

    Wow never heard of this amazing

  • @shaenj
    @shaenj 4 года назад +1

    Donkeys and Goats....the toughest animals in Aussie. And I've got the scars to prove it.
    That guy is selling those animals. He is not a liar, he just bends it a bit.

  • @Vignesh-hl4bd
    @Vignesh-hl4bd 3 года назад +2

    Wild dogs, wild cats, wild bunnies, wild camels, wild horses, wild boars, wild cattle, wild goats, wild people is there an end to this or is every thing that walks in 4 legs in Australia considered ferral ?

  • @got2kittys
    @got2kittys 3 года назад +1

    In the Southwest States in the U.S. you can adopt a feral donkey from the Bureau of Land Management. Prove you can care for it, and it's $100 for fees.

  • @armzbrah6371
    @armzbrah6371 2 года назад

    5:45 only in Australia would you see a dude giving a donkey some beer

    • @toddbennett7157
      @toddbennett7157 2 года назад +1

      You've obviously never been to Texas or Montana.

  • @klydegottwald
    @klydegottwald 4 года назад +6

    A pat or a stubbie lol.

  • @Dontdeleteme-cv7go
    @Dontdeleteme-cv7go Год назад +2

    Well, correct if I'm wrong but if every non-native animal that roams free and destroys the native flora & fauna is classed as a feral. Well, doesn't that make us ferals as well?

  • @elgordo9031
    @elgordo9031 4 года назад +5

    Never seen a big animal like a donkey sit down when I tried to load them. Couldn’t move him up. Old jackaroo with me lit a fire under him and that got him moving. Tough as nails those buggers.

    • @Masood1810
      @Masood1810 3 года назад +1

      Never use fire or heat. It's inhumane.

    • @elgordo9031
      @elgordo9031 3 года назад +1

      @@Masood1810 I hear you brother, I never try to injure or maim an animal. What do you do to move a donkey when they don't want to move? They are tough animals.

  • @NAVYABHAN
    @NAVYABHAN 3 года назад +3

    After a hard day's work with the Post Office, "I used to give my Doberman Beer!" He loved it, and looked forward to drinking with me every time I wanted a sip. Hell! He even liked a Shot of J.D. in his water. Both of us were happy and he walked somewhat sideways every time, and then wanted Chicken,..Fried Chicken that is!

  • @senatorjosephmccarthy2720
    @senatorjosephmccarthy2720 4 года назад +11

    You really need to turn the music volume up a bit more. I can still make out a few words. It's a online world catering to the music addicted. It's probably the reason for many of your dislikes.

  • @colliecoform4854
    @colliecoform4854 3 года назад +4

    I would much rather see them saved than shot. Hope they continue to gather them up.

  • @thedude5599
    @thedude5599 3 года назад

    feral Donkeys, feral Goats, feral, Camels, feral dogs, Feral deer, feral kangaroos and feral people. Australia has a lot of ferals.

  • @josephmclennan1229
    @josephmclennan1229 Год назад +1

    My uncle had race horses ,the horses would run from the coyotes ,donkeys attack

  • @tango8072
    @tango8072 3 года назад

    Feels like jurrasic park 3 again but instead with dinos with donkeys

  • @Aldegundoburruel
    @Aldegundoburruel 3 года назад

    What do you do with donkeys

  • @rifattalukder9830
    @rifattalukder9830 4 года назад +24

    Everything is feral in Australia,including humans

    • @Outbacklegend
      @Outbacklegend 4 года назад

      Rifat Talukder Yeah that’s like everywhere except Africa

    • @crusader3012
      @crusader3012 4 года назад

      Including loud mouth tourists.

    • @badutbadut2309
      @badutbadut2309 4 года назад

      Feral (in humans) means contemptible, misbehaving. So yes there are feral humans.

    • @Frombie_01
      @Frombie_01 3 года назад

      Only the children, mate.

  • @RandomsFandom
    @RandomsFandom 3 года назад +2

    I’m sure animals prefer capture to culling.

  • @georgepengelly2434
    @georgepengelly2434 4 года назад +3

    Donkeys can stop bulls fighting and digging holes.

  • @cleric7788
    @cleric7788 3 года назад

    5:13 Clearly grabs a beer before he has drive the kids home.

    • @willeveryday
      @willeveryday 2 года назад +1

      On his own property? I don't see the issue.

  • @aaronsanborn4291
    @aaronsanborn4291 3 года назад

    We have farmers and ranchers here who have donkeys mixed in with their cattle and sheep...they HATE coyotes and wolves...a jack donkey will fight anything.

  • @Outbacklegend
    @Outbacklegend 4 года назад +2

    This is better than killing and I think a lot of people can agree with that

  • @mauriceupton1474
    @mauriceupton1474 4 года назад +2

    Even their donkeys love a cold 4X.
    Hope they do that with their wild camels.
    Camels are worth a fortune in the Middle East.
    Good for milk and meat and camel milk chocolate is good.

    • @kharnifex
      @kharnifex 3 года назад

      I'd be keen to try camel milk chocolate

  • @l0remipsum991
    @l0remipsum991 3 года назад +1

    Land of nopes turned into a freakin zoo

  • @badmanno.1650
    @badmanno.1650 3 года назад +1

    "Not many people do do it" ... Heehe just say "not many people do it"

  • @ledzepaulin6581
    @ledzepaulin6581 4 года назад +3

    Let shrek live there, see if these donkeys cant be tamed..

  • @eathanweyh4761
    @eathanweyh4761 4 года назад +3

    So if was a farmer out there I'd have a bull for backup

  • @samesmail6003
    @samesmail6003 3 года назад +1

    He looks like Don jr.

  • @annittamaroney3250
    @annittamaroney3250 Год назад

    Bring em down to tassie and the wild horses up there

  • @stuarth43
    @stuarth43 Год назад

    have to say that those animals are 100 percent healthy
    you need netter strakes on your loading ramps

  • @FranciscoRodriguez-be6ik
    @FranciscoRodriguez-be6ik 4 года назад +1

    Wild ASS!

  • @DavidPrattChannel
    @DavidPrattChannel 4 года назад +3

    Surely a pack of dingoes could bring down even an adult donkey?
    And why don’t the US bring back wolves and cougars into states affected by wild burros?

    • @KevinRAAMAAAGE
      @KevinRAAMAAAGE 4 года назад +5

      I've watched donkeys rip packs of dogs to pieces. 5 dogs don't stand a chance against a group of donkeys. They're pretty fucking metal. I live in wyoming where there are wolves and ranchers use Donkeys and mules to protect their horses and cattle from wolves and coyotes. I've heard of mules killing mountain lions, of course the mule was mortally wounded, but he did his job and protected the herd. Once animals like horses, donkeys, and mules figure out how to kill dogs, they start doing it for fun. I'm working right now with a horse who's favorite hobby is killing dogs. He's killed two strays and 3 of his owners own dogs. He started with it when he kept getting attacked and he just never stopped. Even the wolves here in Wy leave even the domestic horses alone, it's much easier to kill a cow or a sheep. They won't fight back.

    • @toddbennett7157
      @toddbennett7157 2 года назад

      Because the rich & powerful beef industry has Washington D.C. wrapped around their little finger!

  • @kongswethai3964
    @kongswethai3964 2 года назад

    darn... i didn´t know that u have so many invasive species in Oz

  • @CalebKalli
    @CalebKalli 3 года назад +1

    Aye that’s dope

  • @daledupont3772
    @daledupont3772 3 года назад

    Feral dogs, hogs, goats, rabbits, cats, etc. Just Pay people.

  • @supersmart671
    @supersmart671 4 года назад +1

    Arnie has two!!

  • @3rdlorddiy903
    @3rdlorddiy903 3 года назад

    @2:24, is the lady in pink standing beside the donkey, or right behind it? Whatever the angle is, you should never stand that close behind hind legs of a highly stressed animal, let alone a wild donkey.

  • @stevecannon4780
    @stevecannon4780 2 года назад +1

    Why aren't they being used to protect sheep? They do this in the US and it works well. Donkeys hate dogs, coyotes and foxes. They kill the canines. They should be a resource. They are also very sweet.

  • @bbbnnuuuhgg7016
    @bbbnnuuuhgg7016 4 года назад +1

    We also have feral Donkeys😳

  • @_l735
    @_l735 4 года назад +9

    RSPCA logic = execution kinder than stress. 👎

  • @UniversityofLach
    @UniversityofLach 4 года назад +2

    5:40 you're welcome

  • @Rangetechus
    @Rangetechus 4 года назад

    Good on ya guys!

  • @Zappyguy111
    @Zappyguy111 3 года назад

    Yeah, I wouldn't mind a donkey, once I get a property.

  • @ethanwolfe4041
    @ethanwolfe4041 4 года назад +2

    Man what animal isn't feral in Australia lol

    • @stevej3297
      @stevej3297 3 года назад +1

      I’d like to say humans but even that is not true

  • @Tadpoletofrogs
    @Tadpoletofrogs 4 года назад

    Surprised you do a segment on Donkeys and not Foxes.

  • @Sapphiregriffin
    @Sapphiregriffin 2 года назад

    stress > death

  • @nathanduckeorth806
    @nathanduckeorth806 4 года назад

    Almost as fun as chasin deer in America lol

    • @Outbacklegend
      @Outbacklegend 4 года назад

      Nathan Duckeorth we do that in Australia as well

  • @rodwilliam3890
    @rodwilliam3890 3 года назад +2

    Typical RSPCA got to have a moan. They weren't being cruel.

    • @kharnifex
      @kharnifex 3 года назад

      RSPCA will moan on behalf of whoever donates to them, they are quite sinister

  • @ROBBANKS666666
    @ROBBANKS666666 4 года назад

    I want donkeys and have to pay for them in the USA in my neck of the woods

  • @jonathancalton6304
    @jonathancalton6304 3 года назад

    My donkeys keep an eye on my cows

  • @daledupont3772
    @daledupont3772 3 года назад

    Not a dumb ass...ha ha ha

  • @venkatbabu1722
    @venkatbabu1722 3 года назад

    Ice ice baby

  • @malcolmallerton3946
    @malcolmallerton3946 4 года назад

    I use to own two donkeys on dads farm

  • @philteargas9961
    @philteargas9961 4 года назад +1

    Wish PNG had donkeys.

    • @kharnifex
      @kharnifex 3 года назад

      There's plenty of white people in PNG already

  • @eathanweyh4761
    @eathanweyh4761 4 года назад

    A lot of farmers use donkeys but they're are not tougher than a horses don't think me insane i like donkeys too I'm just letting you know

  • @larrydemonte2218
    @larrydemonte2218 2 года назад +1

    The is the breed that Jesus rode on,,,it has a cross on its back and sides

  • @ELIELGOI
    @ELIELGOI 4 года назад +2

    O comércio destes animais com os chineses causaram a morte por fome e sede de centenas de animais, presenciei centenas de cadáveres espalhados pela fazenda, cenas horríveis.

  • @ryanmax-grappler8654
    @ryanmax-grappler8654 4 года назад +3

    Ejiao is snake oil

  • @tonyromano6220
    @tonyromano6220 3 года назад

    No idea what he is saying…..

  • @jamesjangmaw6671
    @jamesjangmaw6671 3 года назад

    What's wrong with Australia? Evening is feral

  • @badutbadut2309
    @badutbadut2309 4 года назад +4

    Are there any apex predators in Australian deserts? If none then introduce some. I would prefer a Bengal tiger coz they are on the verge of extinction & very territorial too. Feral dogs, pigs, kangaroos, etc. need some culling.

    • @Hadi-vo7qm
      @Hadi-vo7qm 3 года назад +1

      I was thinking the same thing

    • @Hammadz-li
      @Hammadz-li 3 года назад

      Asiatin lion be far better

    • @delishme2
      @delishme2 Год назад

      Ahhhh no. Most of these feral animals got here because someone had a not so bright idea like yours 🤦🏼‍♀️

  • @fullmetalalvarez6202
    @fullmetalalvarez6202 3 года назад

    Is that the Jesus donkey with cross ✝️ 😳

  • @eathanweyh4761
    @eathanweyh4761 4 года назад

    Number 1: Tiger Number 2: Lion Number 3: Bear

  • @markfriedersdorf4750
    @markfriedersdorf4750 4 года назад

    are they good to eat ?

  • @vijayajitkumar1
    @vijayajitkumar1 4 года назад

    make cheese out of donkeys milk - costliest cheese in the world

  • @kishorekumarshivaram4971
    @kishorekumarshivaram4971 4 года назад

    Are there any feral Kangaroos....
    I see from dog to camels ... omg

    • @bbbnnuuuhgg7016
      @bbbnnuuuhgg7016 4 года назад +2

      Kangaroos are a native species 🤪🤪

    • @charlesschulz8416
      @charlesschulz8416 3 года назад +1

      Kangaroo and emu on the Australian coate of arms

    • @dianemason9092
      @dianemason9092 3 года назад

      The kangaroos are out of control here because we have dams everywhere and so the kangaroos are everywhere. So dangrous for them and the drivers on the roads.

  • @crusader3012
    @crusader3012 4 года назад +1

    Looks like you interviewed the wrong Vet; professor rat baggy.

  • @deepsea2141
    @deepsea2141 4 года назад +3

    That's why China is such a strategic business partner of Australia. More meat exports to China

    • @a.morrigan5870
      @a.morrigan5870 3 года назад +2

      I don't think so, giving what is going on with trade relations. A good thing too, I detest live export of animals, especially to countries with appalling treatment of them.

  • @annak804
    @annak804 3 года назад

    A bad day occasionally is better than dead don't shoot feral animals when you can train them

  • @OppoOppo-zp6ok
    @OppoOppo-zp6ok 3 года назад

    Beer!

  • @upchurchcountrygirl4660
    @upchurchcountrygirl4660 3 года назад

    You need horses

  • @eathanweyh4761
    @eathanweyh4761 4 года назад

    I don't wanna sound silly or anything but this fact isn't just for farmers in australia it's for farmers around the world there are lot predators out there that a donkey cannot handle and I know 3 of them

    • @Frombie_01
      @Frombie_01 3 года назад +2

      So, are you letting us in on them, or is it a state secret?