It is so cute that all my infj friends when they are in this kind of situations, they always talk so wisely while laughing of embarrassment and the eyeballs are rolling always to all the sides haha omg
Their different greetings at the end, please: INTJ: thank you... **doesn’t know what to say** **no feelings allowed** ...excellent answers. INFJ: oh, thank you so much this was fun, amazing, great, I hope to do it again, thank you again from the bottom of my heart, I love you...
With this virus stuff, as an INTJ, I feel like the rest of the world is being forced to be me. All the stuff they ignore and take for granted...all of a sudden they have to see it. And I feel like, "I told you so".
An INFJ friend of mine spoke about this just yesterday coming up with measures that should have been taken before and after and how panic buying could have been prevented if the police and intervened and strict laws were implemented.he went further saying that if the people refuse to listen its okay.The supermarkets will be packed with old stocks that are reaching expiry.
Thamo Thomas My instincts about this go way back beyond that. Short version: What has been known as "globalization" has had these kinds of effects throughout human history. Also, communism is bad. I didn't know this specifically was coming, but I knew something was coming. The same goes for 9/11. Although I did not foresee the 2008 crash. But on a more individual level...most people don't even think about these things. They just go with the flow, and go along to get along. They follow everybody else like lemmings off a cliff. And then they're shocked. I'm not. Disappointed, yes. Surprised, no.
@@vaportrails7943 I'm an INFJ and i knew about globalization = earth getting warmer = evolving bacteria.I thought about it but couldn't care less about it because lower conscious and awareness people don't care about anything else except money, social status and being rich.This i knew to but didn't care but already made survival plans. My INTJ friend cares about it alot and is coming up with plans to stop it.While i'm just waiting for the virus to infect everyone who panic buys while nurses and doctors grow tired and exhausted with their limited energy and watch everyone die.
@@vaportrails7943 This is how a conversation happens with my INTJ friend. I start the topic of corona.I ask the INTJ for information down to every detail .he provides.We outweigh opinions pros and cons and lastly agree to final decision.
Thamo Thomas Every period of mass migration has resulted in epidemics. It doesn't have much to do with climate. And I don't think everyone will die. In fact, the current steps being taken in the west are probably excessive, in my opinion. But when you leave yourself wide open and don't prepare, the natural reaction is to overcorrect. That's the way I see it right now. I'm open to changing my mind as more information becomes available. But it could have all been avoided with more wisdom about policy going back 30 years. Especially towards China.
Who doesn't though, between chaotic trouble making monkey ESTP/ENTPs, lovable but crazy huggable squirrel ENFPs, and daydreaming INFPs, along with the loveable robot INTP, and us mystical seer riddler INFJs, we're all pretty wierd... Are ENTJ/ESTJs the only "Normal" people? ESFPs are pretty strange.... ISFP is just the Introverted Artist form of them, ESFJs are clearly extremely emotional and judgmental... ISTJ/ISTPs might seem practical focused and normal, but they can be pretty weird... Is that just because I'm an INFJ, so I view the entire world, including myself, to be rather weird?
Ni-doms in a conversation: looks at everywhere else when talking, laser-focus attention when trying to listen Hahaha thanks for this! I'm slowly getting my type by your videos. This was fun 😁
@@InternetLiJo yeah I guess so. And I think maybe it's because Ni is responsible for visual creativity (or whatever we try to see or imagine inside our heads when talking or thinking). As Ni-doms, it's like our imaginations inside dictate what we should communicate. People think we're looking at something else in the room but in truth we're really just looking what our heads visualize. Idk. I might be having tangents but that is what I've observed in myself for years now.
I wanted to comment on that too. Also noticed their cadence is very similar! I didn’t want to speed them up because I wanted to get the real take from them.
@Marcus Cato I can't relate am an infj that loves dancing. The minute that I sit back down though I start feeling so anxious it doesn't take long before I must dance again.
The Sage (INFJ) and the Strategist (INTJ) doing intellectual conversation. just like the benevolent headmaster Albus Dumbledore and the stern professor Severus Snape.
I know that Severus Snape is widely considered to be an INTJ. However, in my opinion the only Ni dominant in Harry Potter series is Albus Dumbledore and he is INFJ. Snape is highly intelligent and brave but that alone does not mean he should be INTJ.
Albus Dumvledore isa true INTJ with balanced feelings. Other people tends to think that INTJ are people who loves too little thus Dumbledore being so very loving headmaster, he must be an INFJ not INTJ. But this is completely wrong. Dumbledore was very studious and ambitious when he was young, he loves his family but he felt that his talent was wasted for having to take care of his brother and sister (clearly a trait of an INTJ). And then Ariana died and it changed his life forever, overtime he became a very loving and caring figure (developed and balance feeling). Snape, being a genius of potion master is obviously an ISTJ, a subject that is so precise, with so many detailed instruction and almost no room for improvisation is almost definitely not a subject that an INTJ will like.
I like how Frank look down and sideways when talking as if he really trying to extract the most authentic answer from within his HEART. While Lindsey look up and side ways as If extracting the answer from high above, her BRAIN. I'm an INFJ, and I always wonder why I look everywhere when speaking but look dead into people eyes when they talking to me 😂
And the fun part is, both of them are looking to give the most authentic answer. We find authenticity in different ways, that's what type is all about.
What's a GuruMack? Can it be a real Yogi? Adept Yogi are at 70% emergence~awakening of Newtype potential. Newtype are beings of above average wisdom. This allows for situational awareness that verges on the paranormal as they read the flow of intent~meaning within people and things in order to optimally orient themselves in any given context. This is a superior sense of timing which, more often than not, leads to empathic resonance. Resonance that verges on the bounds of telepathy. For MBTI grasp of what this means: Picture all the faculties of an "INTP," working in synery with an "INTJ." Throw in all the kinesthetic mastery of an "ISTP" and that is a Newtype. Is this GuruMak a Newtype? Is he worthy of Gundam? *Giant Robot Lives Matter!!*
@@INDAREVISH "dron telefronter" lmao what have you done? Now when I'll speak to my boss about serious stuff I may recall this and suddenly burst into laughter.
No one appreciates honesty, except for ENTJ/other INTJs, and INFJ most likely, I can't tell you the times that I get in trouble for my honesty as an INFJ. INTP can't appreciate it either, and keeps calling me a doomsayer negative nancy debbie downer, *Sigh*, I'm a highly optimistic idealist, but I enjoy realism and practicality as well. This annoys me, because I want to be honest, and I have no one to be bluntly honest with, I need INTJs around who appreciate real deep soul-level conversations...
@@snowflakestarprincessakiko6013 yeah it's hard to find people who appreciate honesty... In my experience as an INTJ usually the responses are extreme: or they get extremely defensive or they feel "yeah, I suck and I'm worthless". In either case they go away and I lost my chance to socialize. It feels like I have to choose between being myself and alone or supress a bit of my "INTJness" and have shallow relationships. It sucks because I do want to have meaningful relationships, and evolve together.
I find it interesting that INFJ's have this feeling of responsibility (17:08) to help others before focusing on themselves. Such an alien approach for me.
I have a concept in my mind about people being raw diamonds. I try to inspire them (if they show the will or wish to do improve). And I kind of connect to "Sybok", the brother of Spock, who chose a kind of INFJ-like way to live. His words were "Your pain runs deep. Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing."
Eden. Agree about this being the first instinct for INFJ to HELP them get to that point, the feeling aspect stands out in that and knowing the reward comes later and giving them a chance to get there or help them get there is what is intriguing to them (intuitively looking ahead). Where as with INTJ the first thought and appreciation comes from them wanting to do it on their own and where that can lead and how they got there! (Intuitively looking ahead) and also behind THINKING on the process more. So different and so similar! 17:08ish Is actually when I saw or noticed the difference between these two types and humans in this video. Being INTJ the the Helping came second for me, not alien but secondary. These both actually cause battles between my head and heart. Excitement though definitely INTJ LiJo version
I'm an INFJ and when he started saying that about how it's such a relief when they've finally taken care of themselves because we feel responsible for other people before ourselves, really hit home with me.
Lindsay, as INTJ myself, I can relate to what you said that when I'm around people, I spoke a different language because I did notice that they can never understand the real me. There are even times when I have to act that I don't know anything or even stupid so that people will be at ease with me. Growing up, I realized that most people are intimidated to be around us when we're showing our true selves as INTJs. I also watched some of Franco James' vids and my initial perception of him is he's very Ne in his videos that I wouldn't hesitate to type him as INFP. Now, that I look at it again, I realized that maybe those seemingly Ne scenes are just part of his Ni workflow in order to deliver the desired message.
No dude. You're initial hypothesis is very right. The dude is hands down INFP. It's ridiculous how blatant it is yet he pretends to be oblivious. I swear the guy even knows this deep down himself and that he's essentially bullshitting. And I swear even Lindsay low-key picked up on this in the video too... Like watch what seemed like her reaction at 21:48 to Frank describing Te and anti Ti from 21:42 on... It's technically just speculation but I feel like she picked up on that Te too and the expression at 21:48 was an unexpected reaction to hearing that from someone who's supposed to have tert Ti... That was blatant Te right there in opposition to Ti
@@17x71 I don't know about that. Years ago I scored equally as INTP and INTJ. I got stuck in the rabbit-hole of the INTP because I just happened to be learning to apply what I now no to be an INTP skill-set. Just yesterday, I came to study the INTJ and feel much more comfortable with this assessment. It seems that, as INTJs, we have in common the need to develop that goes beyond our scripted natures.
Your descriptions of your childhood trigger visual memories of mine. For example, at age 10 or 11 a friend of my mom's asked why I don't smile. I said something along the lines of, "If a funny joke or something isn't being made, then why should I?" She gave a look and didn't respond after that. Haha.
I think a close family member is INFJ - answered similarly when asked why she doesnt smile. Can you suggest readings to help me uinderstand this personality type?
@@sraprocida You can try sites such as 16personalities or Truity. You can also book a session with LiJo from her site that she has linked in the description of this video.
I remember being told this when I was little so I started smiling more then I was told not to smile so much and I was baffled. Like.. well what do I do with my face then ??
@@AMbrittni nothing, you just can't please some people. And the sooner you stop trying the better. Unfortunately not all children have the support system they need to back them up, to learn: you have to be respectful to other people, but you don't have to be liked. You're your own person, you can do whatever you like with your face😂
shannon kim INTJ here,my eyes go everywhere when I talk and search for the right words and when I listen I either show an ear to focus on the words if I think the information is genuine or death stare if I know I’m being lied to or the person is making up facts
You don't consistently think about if you're looking at them too much vs looking away too much and they'll think you're guilty of something when there's nothing to worry about and no reason to even think that in the first place and oh god you're staring how long have you been staring look away but make it natural so you don't just suddenly dart your eyes away and make them feel uncomfortable...?
the INFJs close to my heart are so optimistic and feeling and put others above themselves to the point where the INTJ in me thinks they're naive. I'm so skeptical and sometimes cynical about others, my strong loyalty to my INFJs make me want to protect them at all cost.
Look at how sparkly Lindsay's eyes got when he started talking about the way INFJs give right to the person that has a negative emotional reaction at something they did. You can tell when she is like "yeah I know this" and when she goes "oh i didn't know this" and it's adorable
INTJ here, I just want to add that I totally agree with Lijo when it comes to personality trait outside the mbti. I adore people who try to better themselves, not to be better than others, but to be better for their own self. It doesn't even have to be academic wise. Just something simple is fine, as long as you like it and can feel accomplished with it. We're all different and it's pointless to compare with each other, but I want people to be a better version of themselves. And I have no energy to force this to others lol, if you don't want to it's totally fine. It's your life.
I’ve actually noticed how Frank has a hard time getting the ISFP. I have one in my family and sure he is somewhat artistic, but he is not giving much thought to estethics in his personal life, like what he is wearing for example. He just likes the experience of the arts: He loves going to concerts, the theatre, the opera, he lives for travelling, and he wants to make his home an explosion of sensory awesomeness. But he does not try to explain art, he does not care about listenting to music outside of concerts or taking interest in theatre as a subject, he just loves to be in the moment of it. He also loves to eat out, just by himself, spending hours reading a paper at a café. He only hangs out with people when he can experience sensory together with them. The inferior Te makes it hard for him to take responsibility for things. He has asked me not to expect anything from him. He basically lives in the moment, going out in the world, enjoys it and then retreats to his bubble. He does not really take care of his surroundings, he wants a lovely home but he doesn’t really know how to get there. He just spontaneously buys a lot of fancy stuff he personally likes and put it in his home. The atmosphere of sensory is important to him and he loves to impress other people with his sensory stuff or bragging about concerts he has been to. I don’t know if this was helpful, it’s just a bunch of anectodes, but I guess my point is: ISFP’s are not stereotypical artists, but they enjoy the sensory experience of art like no other type. To me, an INFP, it all appears very superficial, I am more inclined to the intuitive appreciation of art and to understanding complex artistic expressions. I notice Frank sometimes mix ISFP’s and INFP’s up in his interpretation of us as ”artists”.
Wow... Having to learn to speak a different language so you can communicate with everyone else, I feel that so deeply. There are very few places I can speak how I actually talk, not to mention people I can speak with who don't get offended by my natural candor. It's so hard and frustrating.
Lol... I just watched 2 “feelers” videos. The way they described INTJ’s was to say that we were really controlling and always trying to control other people or enjoy hurting people by making them feel stupid. They also made these assumptions that we were always in competition with one another over who is smartest. That couldn’t be further from the truth. It makes no sense. Why would I waste my time and energy trying to control or change anyone. That’s an impossibility. It’s difficult enough to try and get someone to try a new style of clothing, which I also have no interest in. I want to become smarter than myself. It makes no sense to waste time trying to become smarter than someone else. It’s understandable that there will always be someone smarter or better at something than us. Anyway, that was just my thought process in response to some of the stuff you guys were talking about.
There is this competition going on between INTJ and ENTJ/ENTPs, but that isn't a problem for most of us, INTP and INTJ is interesting but usually the INTP would quit, because they aren't very competitive and they wouldn't care to waste their time continuing the dispute... INTJ probably usually causes Feelers frustration, but that is because they are unable to understand the irrationality of emotions? At least, the INTP I have here can't understand. Well, there are immature signs and healthy behaviors for everyone, this INTP did try to change me, but as an INFJ, I remain the same. No one changes me! ~ Unfortunately, not everyone is mature and sometimes you get these extremely toxic people, and some people are a lot more competitive than others! ~ They probably show this as a difference between you and INTPs, because P stands for Procrastination, and they aren't likely to feel any competitive urge whatsoever. What you feel is normal (and is a low level of competitive) is still 1000% more than most INTPs feel, as they genuinely don't do hardly anything most days. Compared to the INTP, INTJs are highly competitive and driven... You'll all different, we're all on a spectrum sliding scale here, but yeah INTJ-A vs INTJ-T, it differs. The Assertive A's are less driven and less anxiety/panic attack prone, less rushed and less efficient than the T's, since they are Turbulent and more emotional, more competitive. Maybe, the INTJs that are far more competitive and efficiency driven, are just a bit immature and Turbulent, compared to the more relaxed and laid-back Assertive?
@@snowflakestarprincessakiko6013 As an INFJ, I had to dump my ex INTJ because she was incapable of expressing emotions and seemed to much like a robot. It was a huge turn off for me so I had to move on. Unfortunately, that also ended a 20 year friendship we had prior.
The lighting makes Lindsay resemble an interplanetary space manager. "So, Frank, the Valles Marineris facility has seen a decrease in net outputs. Can you fill me in on what's going on there?" Frank: 👁👄👁 👔
Honestly feel like I just woke up on Christmas morning. I was secretly hoping you guys would do a live chat! Reading the comments is making me stoked for when this premieres.
"Do a video together talking about INTJ or INFJ related! You are both my favorite MBTI youtubers and I would love to see a collab💗" I literally commented this on a comment Frank James made on your INTJ stereotypes video with Dave Powers. I was so excited about this premiere and once again you both manufactured great content! Seriously, thank you for this.
Thank you for the video, I enjoyed it so much! As an INFJ it feels like the INTJ is a super efficient version of the INFJ And the INFJ is a super warm and feely version of the INTJ. Love you both, thanks again 🙏
This reminds me so much of the so far three days lasting voicemail chain I (INTJ) have with an INFJ friend. We started with one topic and the conversation just keeps evolving. We are talking for hours every day now and it's one of the best times I ever had in my life.
Real INTJs watched this with X2 speed so as to get from point A to B more quickly. 😅 I also simultaneously was studying Japanese vocab/Kanji, haha. A prime example of “Doesn’t everyone do things this way?” 😂
@LiJo as a highschooler INTJ I always thought nobody understood me cause I was very different from everyone, but watching your videos made me realized I am not alone and people can understand me too. So thank you very much.
This was so cool. I could listen to a monthly podcast with these two for hours. Or a special quarantine podcast...or a birthday bash podcast...really any excuse for a podcast. Even if short-lived and inconsistently featured.
As an INTJ, if I could find someone who wanted to grow on their own & understood my need to continually do the same, I woulda lived a totally different life.
Was too busy drinking so I decided to study your body languages as I watched, well, it was interesting lmao! Frank doing the classic INFJ trying to think and make sure whast he says matches how he feels, while Li knows what she wants to say from the get go. I can also see Li finishing his sentences and/or thoughts for him and wanting to speak on them though you waited for your turn patiently, something that I somewhat lack but I try to verify the others point before continuing which usually works for me (I also talk really fast, like 4-6 words a second fast lol). Pretty interesting how both of you tend to look away while thinking as well. Many similarities between you two but there are some abstract differences that I noticed too. I'm more like Li even though I'm an INFJ, I think this is because I've been both an INTJ and INFJ in my lifetime and that's the best way I can describe it (it's complicated as to why I was both) so I have a mixture of both. I think what makes me differ from a lot of other INFJs is that I have very strong convictions and I stand up for them. I also do not avoid conflict, I seek to solve it. I guess I'm weird XD
@@InternetLiJo We all have those tendencies, I think it has more to deal with the way we think than anything else. It's just natural body language to most people :)
@@kita3256 It's impossible to be two types at the same time. I had personal issues that I don't feel like talking about which caused me to turn into an INTJ instead of an INFJ. Now I'm a hybrid of the two though mostly INFJ. But every now and then, depending on what I'm doing, I could turn back into an INTJ. Even though my main function is introversion I have an extremely high amount of extroversion and almost every single category of INTJ and INFJ traits fit me. I don't know why, I'm just weird. Edit: Also I'm very different from most INFJs due to my extreme extroversion as an introvert (it;s 60/40). I was an INTJ-A and one of our qualities was being assertive. Even when I eventually became what I truly was (an INFJ) my assertiveness never left me. I do not run or hide, I solve my problems directly and quickly. There are some other INFJs who also can be INTJs at times as well. I think it has something to do with much more mature INFJs who use an INTJ side to project themselves. My sensory skills are also incredibly strong. It usually does not take me more than 5 minutes of talking to someone to get to know that person on a very deep level. This is also why I'm more likely to use my INTJ side to do things so I can remain efficient at times while I can be aloof and use my INFJ side when I don't need to be. I think it's because I have experienced both sides that I can use whichever side of me is best for the scenario. But as I said earlier, this wasn't really something that is normal due to my circumstances which caused me to be an INTJ until I woke up recently and became an INFJ. You can only do things for so long until your soul cries out to you and makes you notice that something is wrong. That was a really rough patch of my life and a really rude awakening. Just imagine one day you are a highly logical thinker and the next day you wake up, you have both logic and emotion and you start connecting with people strongly. that basically explains what I went through to include having my personality overwrite itself (and I mean that literally, as if in I am literally a different person now). Sadly I have an extremely dark side and it is that dark side that has been shown to many people. A dark side that I was hiding whether I was consciously doing it or not. That darkness is now a part of me and is a main driving factor of my life now, though, I don't let it control me, it's just a part of who I am. That's why I said it's extremely complicated as to why I was both. I'm still pretty young though and while I can adapt, it's not very pleasant to realize you aren't the same person anymore and that you are changing on almost a daily basis. It gets even worse when people see your dark side and think that you are suicidal even when you've never been suicidal a single time in your life. It's just that your past can come back to haunt you, a past you sealed away so you could move on with your life. Personally, almost no one understands me other than my brother who is exactly the same as I. We think and talk alike, it's weird how that works since he is many years older than me and we took separate paths in life, yet we still have such a strong bond and connection with one another. I think that makes sense though. When you can use and display multiple personality types, that would make you extremely hard to understand and extremely hard to read. And when you think about it, INFJs are already impossible to understand yet alone INTJs. So now being a heavy mixture of both, it's probably even more confusing than ever before. I guess that's the life of someone who lives on limbo or between two worlds so to speak. To me it's more of a curse that I'm forced to live with, but life goes on just like it does for everyone else.
INFJ and INTJ both do either Unconscious/Subconscious Chameleon, or Conscious Chameleon, that can be rather confusing. Which way is it though? Did you trick yourself into believing you were one or the other? The truth is, you have either Feeler or Thinker, but you might be 50%/50%, or 49/51%... INFJ-A is still Assertive, although, I'm only on 33% Extroverted INFJ, but we all have the same traits as INTJ, the only difference is do you react Emotionally First, or Rationally First? We have a huge problem with burying our emotions, and suppressing how we feel, we know others better than we know ourselves, and this is probably why you got INTJ results. I'd say that the difference is: INTJs always know themselves, and they know everything about everyone (except INFJs), because we're a mystery to them, as well as everyone else :). INTJs research everything to death, and study up on people, but INFJs just get the knowledge through emotional intuition, and we don't do investigative research on them (usually). So, I see how this works, you confused yourself with the Chameleon, and were mimicking INTJ for awhile...
Lindsay!! The talk about childhood Ni communication I can relate so much. Same with FJ as both of my parents are also STs. I could never communicate any idea to them in the abstract. As a child I was super independent and I think it was because I hated the feeling of being pulled down into the sensory to talk to people. I have learned how to communicate in that way but once I get blasting I revert to default Ni and them some people get very confused. Like FJ said, two people talking about the same thing with the same perspective and yet think that they're arguing. It can be frustrating. 😂
To my mind, quarantine times are perfect times for introverted intuitives, as we have to interact less with that draining outside world full of sensors now and can listen more often to other intuitives who share their language and their natural approach to things. Thank you loads for that treat!
Dopamine hit for you: an important part of any art form is hidden in 'not doing' the art form. Sketching? Leave white space (or don't sketch). Music? Drop a beat. Animation? Pause it (anticipation), I'm sure this extends to all art in some way. I was very pleased when this coalesced.
Well, she's gorgeous, ridiculously smart, and deeply listening to him; it's no wonder that FJ would be nervous. FJ's brilliant intellect (which he totally downplays here), kind gentle nature, and the fact that he's a little hottie in his own right, made this super fun to watch. Just me, or were there sparks flying all over this interview?
one time i was talking to this guy and he was like “you just have no emotion don’t you” and i said yep that’s me 😂 me just hiding literally all of my emotions cause i barley knew him (i’m an INFJ btw)
That is as bad as the INTJs with their Extroverted Sensors ESXX parents, ooooh how I feel empathy for them! ~ Yeah, having any ESFJ or ESTP parent, can be extremely annoying and damaging to a poor little INTJ growing up as a child... The Traditionalist Mindset of the Guardians, when all little INTJs desire freedom and blunt honesty, and being told to obey nonsensical societal customs and rules....
BROO the part about looking to the future and having to drag around ppl who are stuck in the past is so true. I have a friend who I love but is incredibly stuck on a girl that was important to him in the past. As an INFJ I feel responsible for being his personal therapist and listening to him but I keep telling him that it’s over and done with and he’s changed and he knows he’s changed he’s better now and the girl is completely happy and fine now and just move forward (of course told him more gently). But he’s *EXACTLY* LIKE “nahh I wanna wallow more” LIKE MANN I know it’s important to him but he’s completely detached from that part of his life now move on and give urself a second chance.
An infj here! love how you talked about Ni so much and how it's so natural to us that it's weird to know not everybody thinks this way. also YES 100% the whole realization thing as a child, when you notice the other kids just aren't thinking on the same deep level and you have to find a way to communicate with them. i loved this collab, really cool to see first hand how infjs and intj's react to or think about things differently. i hope you guys do another video like this sometime in the future!
An INFJ turned me on to all of this a few days ago. This is all so new and fascinating - Im overwhelmed and gushing but this stream is great - yall are great. Thank you.
INFJ male here - frank your bit about honesty, trustworthiness, and open communication is amazing. I’ve been thinking these exact same things for a bit now. Wild
@@charisgehman7941 Yes, I can represent part of my intention in a manipulative / selective way which is not honest. And mostly that is what i'm doing. It just feels awkward.
@@YourNickIsTaken yeah, i guess if you take it in that way it is dishonest and I've felt that before. But a thing I've also learned is that sometimes telling someone the entirety of something can hurt them a lot, and since its something that could hurt them I don't count it as dishonesty just being cautious until they can handle it.
Or in a different case if your the one who doesn't think you could handle the backlash, then it's you preserving your mental health through being careful not to tell the entirety.
The most valuable personality trait a person can have outside of type is Humility and Patience. If a person possesses these they can get along with anyone.
The way that you’re observing and absorbing what Frank is saying, I can see the Ni happening in real time. I love it!! Me, using Ni watching your Ni in Ni inception. Here trying to figure out if I’m Fe/Ti or Te/Fi and thought observing this exchange might help..
I’ve also thought I was an INFJ, but this, and your comment about it being difficult to know if the INTJ’s interest is more human experience oriented…give me more question than answers. I’ve always had a special interest in psychology (since I started looking into MBTI 10 years ago), which was mainly to help me understand what those in my life were feeling better. Maybe I am an INTJ…
Y'all had just reminded me of this interesting thought while I was walking. I realized that math in school is just moving along a number line. Addition is forward, subtraction is backwards, multiplication is jumping forward and division is jumping back. I've been trying to get to the bottom of what understanding is and how can learn to better myself in that way.
(1) want to be around people who want to grow also (2) & don’t want to change anyone (3) BUT people also sometimes need healing time Being able to differentiate is tough.
Frank, that was a sweet story, and I love how you said “the whatever you call it” for the building. I do this all the time, and I teach college students, I do it in front of them, and often say “oh c’mon you guys, help me!”. Not that frank is reading this, but perhaps a human, somewhere will relate. It is worth it for any single human who might connect for a second in time. Isn’t it? Isn’t it just about these spaces in between when all is said and done? I cannot help this. I get deep. INFJ
I think INFJs are self conscious around INTJs but INTJs lovem. Like, this girl seems dry about this convo (to a non-NI person) but her mind is on mega fireworks, right now. Like, "oh my gosh........ finally a thought provoking conversation." I'm also an INTJ so our minds are operating on the same frequency. If an INTJ gives you a genuine smile, willingly stepping out of their introverted turtle shell universe, then gosh dang - you deserve an award. You have intrigued their mind and piqued their intellect.
As an INFJ i actually think most INFJs feel more "free" and comfortable around INTJs. We feel self conscious around people who dont understand how our brains function *Ni* because that allows for someone to misunderstand you...which INFJS hate.
I really appreciate these types of discussions, you gave me the perfect phrasing for that abstract concept that’s always in the back of my mind. “I’m living in a more abstract [conceptual/theoretical] land [with endless possibilities], and feeling pulled down to the sensory [literal/objective] world where I have to interact with other humans and I could never really speak my own language with them.” This is my life. My whole life. Thank you for spitting out the words I can’t translate.
Great video Lindsy! I am an INFJ male and I think the point you made about growth and progress in someone weather its friends and other really important to me. Not sure why. It didn't use to that important in my 20's but as I reached my 30's I really want to hang with people like that. I don't want to push people in that direction but sometimes I think I make those conversations and let them arrive at those conclusions themselves. Thant's when I get my dopamine spark!! To realize that have finally latched onto a progressive idea, habit, midset, spirituality etc that makes them better than before or finally as you said got themselves unstuck by trying some new things!!
YESSSS!!! That's the thing that annoys me most, an happens to me, all the time!!! I'll say something in my own words, an they'll take it offensive, argue, but say the same thing. Then, get angry at me, an I'm just here; 🤔..."do u just like, arguments"?
I call it "Chasing my next epiphany". Always looking for the "how and why" behind the "what", so that I can make a complex subject simple. By understanding, I don't have to memorize all the sensory data in order to answer questions about a topic. On the flip side, through this process, simple philisophical quotes or song lyrics suddenly gain profound depth. This is often the trigger that helps me realize that i've chased the rabbit down the hole deep enough for that epiphany... when the dichotomy bridging simplicity and depth are interchangeably linked. Then, I find myself excitedly sharing this newly discovered "depth" from a simple quote/lyric to an audience of crickets...
@@InternetLiJo Just wanted to say thank you.i found out some time ago that I am an INTJ and i felt really alone. Lately I started watching yours and Frank's videos,and I am so much better, I improved so much 😘💙
So I had a hunch that you guys were gonna collab at some point 😏. Great interview! @18:25 I think that INFJs and INTJs both have that drive in them to keep improving and striving for success in life that seeing someone live an "average" existence seems pointless and belittling. This however could be many peoples' ideal life and there nothing wrong with that, as long as they are happy and complete.
im watching this whole interaction and find myself thinking, “Gosh is this how i react to an INFJ? and is she thinking what im thinking about this guy?” LOL
It's interesting how you both felt "dragged down" to the sensory world. I get it. I'm an INTJ and my Mom was an INFJ and we both used to talk about abstract stuff all the time. I remember once when I was a kid that I told her, "Mom, wouldn't it be cool if we were just big brains and we didn't have to deal with these bodies?" and she was like "Yes!". She understood. And it DOES feel like you are being dragged down to this other sensory world where everyone is so oblivious and ignorant. I know that sounds mean but it's how I've always felt. You feel that is bringing you down in more than one way. When I was 8 years old, I told my mother that I did not respect my stepmother's brain. I later figured out that my stepmom is an ESFJ. I thought she was stupid (she's not). But at 8, she seemed so unaware of things that were so obvious to me. Both my parents (mother and father) have Ni so my stepmom was the first sensor in my life. Dad was an ENTJ. My stepmom used to say "You are too much like your father" and she was NOT saying it as a compliment.
I related so much to the part about self improvement. My past relationships ended because my exes were the type of people FJ mentioned, just existing throughout life. I had to leave them behind because it made me mad that they did not want to grow as people or achieve anything.
Love this! My bff is an INTJ! We are 30 now but, recently we had the chance to have a 5 day "sleepover" like old times! The only "minor" difference is now we have husbands and careers (she is an attorney and i am a biz analyst)! working remotely together was a blast too! love my INTJ!
FJ's right about INTPs though. They're hilarious. If you don't have an INTP as a close friend, you're missing out. My day gets so boring now adays when I don't have my INTP bf hanging around being a constant mix of smart and dumb. Lovingly, an INFJ.
I have an INTP roommate. and he is my favorite human being on this planet. I also only see him like twice a week, and mostly because as soon as we start talking, we go down a rabbit trail that goes for hours!
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Frank is wearing a tie to look more formal in front of INTJ LOL.
Fe 👀👀👀
That's so INFJ.
hahaha
You know there was probably like 20 minutes of agonizing thought that went into the decision of the tie.
Which is ironic because INTJs are the types of people who would wear plain hoodies and jeans every day if they could
great to talk, Lindsay, thanks so much for having me on your channel 🙏
"Intent is the easiest thing to misunderstand with people"
Yes, 100% agree.
It is so cute that all my infj friends when they are in this kind of situations, they always talk so wisely while laughing of embarrassment and the eyeballs are rolling always to all the sides haha omg
I would be interested in a video about how the difference types and functions see climate change, including the skeptical INTJs
You both are awesome 🔥✨
Kiss!
It's like watching a cat and a dog talk to each other
Lmao 😂😂😂😂 this is my favorite
LiJo and I a have specific breed for each of you 😂
Hahahahaha
really😂
That's too... too accurate
I can feel the nervousness of Frank by the movement of his chair😀
Lol they are cute together explains and laughing and getting deep into ideas
Even his body language 😂
Their different greetings at the end, please:
INTJ: thank you... **doesn’t know what to say** **no feelings allowed** ...excellent answers.
INFJ: oh, thank you so much this was fun, amazing, great, I hope to do it again, thank you again from the bottom of my heart, I love you...
If it weren't for my INFJ friend saving me from these situations, I wouldn't have left my house like-ever.
I love INFJ's. Wholesome people
Yes lol
With this virus stuff, as an INTJ, I feel like the rest of the world is being forced to be me. All the stuff they ignore and take for granted...all of a sudden they have to see it. And I feel like, "I told you so".
An INFJ friend of mine spoke about this just yesterday coming up with measures that should have been taken before and after and how panic buying could have been prevented if the police and intervened and strict laws were implemented.he went further saying that if the people refuse to listen its okay.The supermarkets will be packed with old stocks that are reaching expiry.
Thamo Thomas My instincts about this go way back beyond that. Short version: What has been known as "globalization" has had these kinds of effects throughout human history. Also, communism is bad. I didn't know this specifically was coming, but I knew something was coming. The same goes for 9/11. Although I did not foresee the 2008 crash.
But on a more individual level...most people don't even think about these things. They just go with the flow, and go along to get along. They follow everybody else like lemmings off a cliff. And then they're shocked. I'm not. Disappointed, yes. Surprised, no.
@@vaportrails7943 I'm an INFJ and i knew about globalization = earth getting warmer = evolving bacteria.I thought about it but couldn't care less about it because lower conscious and awareness people don't care about anything else except money, social status and being rich.This i knew to but didn't care but already made survival plans.
My INTJ friend cares about it alot and is coming up with plans to stop it.While i'm just waiting for the virus to infect everyone who panic buys while nurses and doctors grow tired and exhausted with their limited energy and watch everyone die.
@@vaportrails7943 This is how a conversation happens with my INTJ friend.
I start the topic of corona.I ask the INTJ for information down to every detail .he provides.We outweigh opinions pros and cons and lastly agree to final decision.
Thamo Thomas Every period of mass migration has resulted in epidemics. It doesn't have much to do with climate. And I don't think everyone will die. In fact, the current steps being taken in the west are probably excessive, in my opinion. But when you leave yourself wide open and don't prepare, the natural reaction is to overcorrect. That's the way I see it right now. I'm open to changing my mind as more information becomes available. But it could have all been avoided with more wisdom about policy going back 30 years. Especially towards China.
Show of hands... Anyone else hear the phrase "You're weird" your entire life? 🖐
Who doesn't though, between chaotic trouble making monkey ESTP/ENTPs, lovable but crazy huggable squirrel ENFPs, and daydreaming INFPs,
along with the loveable robot INTP, and us mystical seer riddler INFJs, we're all pretty wierd...
Are ENTJ/ESTJs the only "Normal" people? ESFPs are pretty strange.... ISFP is just the Introverted Artist form of them, ESFJs are clearly extremely emotional and judgmental...
ISTJ/ISTPs might seem practical focused and normal, but they can be pretty weird... Is that just because I'm an INFJ, so I view the entire world, including myself, to be rather weird?
But then they always add "but good weird, you know?", and eye me awkwardly.
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When this happens to me I just look them straight in the eyes and say thank you without blinking
When someone say that, i simply say "im not weird,im being myself so get used to it"
Frank: i feel i feel i feel
Lindsay: i think i think the fact
That’s interesting
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She definitely says "I feel" a lot too
I am an INFJ female and I say "I think" way more than "I feel"
Just a few minutes in and the INTJ glare vs INFJ soul stare becomes very evident
What I really love about intj and infj is that they try to find the meaning of things , the aesthetic of everything also.
Ah thanks Heidy! This was an awesome interview.
dont all introverted intuitives do that?
Ni-doms in a conversation: looks at everywhere else when talking, laser-focus attention when trying to listen
Hahaha thanks for this! I'm slowly getting my type by your videos. This was fun 😁
Haha interesting pattern you picked up there! I think it is very much true.
@@InternetLiJo yeah I guess so. And I think maybe it's because Ni is responsible for visual creativity (or whatever we try to see or imagine inside our heads when talking or thinking). As Ni-doms, it's like our imaginations inside dictate what we should communicate. People think we're looking at something else in the room but in truth we're really just looking what our heads visualize.
Idk. I might be having tangents but that is what I've observed in myself for years now.
WHAT that’s an Ni thing I learned another new thing abt myself
I wanted to comment on that too. Also noticed their cadence is very similar! I didn’t want to speed them up because I wanted to get the real take from them.
both of your observations(the og comment and added one on visual creativity) are really insightful.
Hahahaha Lindsay I love the way you call people “humans” and “species”. Like you’re observing them scientifically lol
Hahah, ahhhh yeah it sounds that way doesn’t it 😂
@Marcus Cato I can't relate am an infj that loves dancing. The minute that I sit back down though I start feeling so anxious it doesn't take long before I must dance again.
Fairly standard INTJ trait! I do the same, much to the amusement of others.
I mean...intjs always are
@@InternetLiJo I do that a lot too 😂
The Sage (INFJ) and the Strategist (INTJ) doing intellectual conversation. just like the benevolent headmaster Albus Dumbledore and the stern professor Severus Snape.
I know that Severus Snape is widely considered to be an INTJ. However, in my opinion the only Ni dominant in Harry Potter series is Albus Dumbledore and he is INFJ. Snape is highly intelligent and brave but that alone does not mean he should be INTJ.
Kevin Fuk The Token Evil Teammate Then what would he be? INTP?
@@antoinemartin1651 he is ISTJ
Hey! 🤨 Gandalf is INTJ... INTJs are not spiteful villains. For goodness sakes.
Albus Dumvledore isa true INTJ with balanced feelings. Other people tends to think that INTJ are people who loves too little thus Dumbledore being so very loving headmaster, he must be an INFJ not INTJ. But this is completely wrong. Dumbledore was very studious and ambitious when he was young, he loves his family but he felt that his talent was wasted for having to take care of his brother and sister (clearly a trait of an INTJ). And then Ariana died and it changed his life forever, overtime he became a very loving and caring figure (developed and balance feeling). Snape, being a genius of potion master is obviously an ISTJ, a subject that is so precise, with so many detailed instruction and almost no room for improvisation is almost definitely not a subject that an INTJ will like.
I'm an INTJ married to an INFJ! We are best friends and still happily in love after 12 years. It's a beautiful match, highly recommend! Lol
Same. Same 😌
im not crying
My dad’s an INFJ and I’m an INTJ. He has always been one of my favorite people on the planet and I never want to lose him!
Me too
Which one are you? My concern is does the Te make the Fe cry? Asking for a friend.
Best type match! I'm INTJ my bestfriend is INFJ we can talk like 6 hrs non stop
Super easy conversation between the two of us!
Yeah I can totally relate! I'm INTJ and my mom is INFJ, we connect really well.
@@hermionegrangerwannabe9482 same situation here
Is it though? Te blindspot + Fe blindspot should cause some friction I'd imagine
@@Iceman219 go find a real one
I like how Frank look down and sideways when talking as if he really trying to extract the most authentic answer from within his HEART. While Lindsey look up and side ways as If extracting the answer from high above, her BRAIN.
I'm an INFJ, and I always wonder why I look everywhere when speaking but look dead into people eyes when they talking to me 😂
And the fun part is, both of them are looking to give the most authentic answer. We find authenticity in different ways, that's what type is all about.
wow interviewing the celebs now? Don't forget about us small folk
Wowwee lol. I'm still you #1 fan.
OH MY GOD BOTH ARE SO BEAUTIFUL AND INTELLIGENT THEY CAN MAKE A GREAT COUPLE OMG
@@Daltr00 shipping people irl is weird and makes people uncomfortable
@@danielbartholomew4037 SO THEY CAN MAKE A GREAT FRIENDSHIP
What's a GuruMack?
Can it be a real Yogi?
Adept Yogi are at 70% emergence~awakening of Newtype potential.
Newtype are beings of above average wisdom.
This allows for situational awareness that verges on the paranormal as they read the flow of intent~meaning within people and things in order to optimally orient themselves in any given context.
This is a superior sense of timing which, more often than not, leads to empathic resonance. Resonance that verges on the bounds of telepathy.
For MBTI grasp of what this means:
Picture all the faculties of an "INTP," working in synery with an "INTJ." Throw in all the kinesthetic mastery of an "ISTP" and that is a Newtype.
Is this GuruMak a Newtype?
Is he worthy of Gundam?
*Giant Robot Lives Matter!!*
What catches my eye is how she has her gaze fixed and Frank’s is roaming everywhere.
Haha we freak a lot of people out
LiJo Lol yeah, but more than that how we tend to look around as we speak like a reading from a dron telefronter.
@@INDAREVISH "dron telefronter" lmao what have you done? Now when I'll speak to my boss about serious stuff I may recall this and suddenly burst into laughter.
@@alexeysaranchev6118 well good luck explaining it to your boss :P
I feel like my worlds are colliding!
Haha yeah!
I find as an INTJ that no matter what I do I have to suppress myself for the sake of everyone around me, and that is my social burden.
No one appreciates honesty, except for ENTJ/other INTJs, and INFJ most likely, I can't tell you the times that I get in trouble for my honesty as an INFJ.
INTP can't appreciate it either, and keeps calling me a doomsayer negative nancy debbie downer, *Sigh*, I'm a highly optimistic idealist, but I enjoy realism and practicality as well.
This annoys me, because I want to be honest, and I have no one to be bluntly honest with, I need INTJs around who appreciate real deep soul-level conversations...
@@snowflakestarprincessakiko6013 yeah it's hard to find people who appreciate honesty... In my experience as an INTJ usually the responses are extreme: or they get extremely defensive or they feel "yeah, I suck and I'm worthless". In either case they go away and I lost my chance to socialize.
It feels like I have to choose between being myself and alone or supress a bit of my "INTJness" and have shallow relationships. It sucks because I do want to have meaningful relationships, and evolve together.
Don`t do that!
It can be quite disheartening, but also and unfortunately, necessary.
I find it interesting that INFJ's have this feeling of responsibility (17:08) to help others before focusing on themselves. Such an alien approach for me.
They are such an interesting study!
I have a concept in my mind about people being raw diamonds. I try to inspire them (if they show the will or wish to do improve). And I kind of connect to "Sybok", the brother of Spock, who chose a kind of INFJ-like way to live. His words were
"Your pain runs deep. Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing."
During my younger days, I'm more into Ni-Ti. As I grow older, I developed that Fe, became more attuned to the needs of others.
Eden. Agree about this being the first instinct for INFJ to HELP them get to that point, the feeling aspect stands out in that and knowing the reward comes later and giving them a chance to get there or help them get there is what is intriguing to them (intuitively looking ahead). Where as with INTJ the first thought and appreciation comes from them wanting to do it on their own and where that can lead and how they got there! (Intuitively looking ahead) and also behind THINKING on the process more. So different and so similar! 17:08ish Is actually when I saw or noticed the difference between these two types and humans in this video. Being INTJ the the Helping came second for me, not alien but secondary. These both actually cause battles between my head and heart. Excitement though definitely INTJ LiJo version
I'm an INFJ and when he started saying that about how it's such a relief when they've finally taken care of themselves because we feel responsible for other people before ourselves, really hit home with me.
Lindsay, as INTJ myself, I can relate to what you said that when I'm around people, I spoke a different language because I did notice that they can never understand the real me. There are even times when I have to act that I don't know anything or even stupid so that people will be at ease with me. Growing up, I realized that most people are intimidated to be around us when we're showing our true selves as INTJs.
I also watched some of Franco James' vids and my initial perception of him is he's very Ne in his videos that I wouldn't hesitate to type him as INFP. Now, that I look at it again, I realized that maybe those seemingly Ne scenes are just part of his Ni workflow in order to deliver the desired message.
No dude. You're initial hypothesis is very right. The dude is hands down INFP. It's ridiculous how blatant it is yet he pretends to be oblivious. I swear the guy even knows this deep down himself and that he's essentially bullshitting.
And I swear even Lindsay low-key picked up on this in the video too... Like watch what seemed like her reaction at 21:48 to Frank describing Te and anti Ti from 21:42 on... It's technically just speculation but I feel like she picked up on that Te too and the expression at 21:48 was an unexpected reaction to hearing that from someone who's supposed to have tert Ti... That was blatant Te right there in opposition to Ti
@@17x71 I don't know about that. Years ago I scored equally as INTP and INTJ. I got stuck in the rabbit-hole of the INTP because I just happened to be learning to apply what I now no to be an INTP skill-set. Just yesterday, I came to study the INTJ and feel much more comfortable with this assessment. It seems that, as INTJs, we have in common the need to develop that goes beyond our scripted natures.
@@ricoroque281 you're INFJ
@@ricoroque281 and I don't even know what you necessarily "don't know about" or what point you were trying to make...
@@17x71 My point is, now...at present...Dick.
I never expected this gonna happen. Frank James ✊🏼
Surprises everywhere :)
Lindsay looks so well put together, it's almost like she was created on Sims 4 or some AI program. Great symmetry.
Omg yes that's what I'm always thinking
As an INFJ, I sorely miss my partner who is a extraordinary INTJ.
Sorry to hear that. There's others!
@@InternetLiJo for me however, there's only the one.
TheNobleChipmunk no seriously there are others .
I'm an INFJ missing my awesome INTJ as well.
as an INTJ, I have some fond memories of my ex but I got over her quickly. Your ex is probably over you, too.
Your descriptions of your childhood trigger visual memories of mine. For example, at age 10 or 11 a friend of my mom's asked why I don't smile. I said something along the lines of, "If a funny joke or something isn't being made, then why should I?" She gave a look and didn't respond after that. Haha.
"I don't like to smile unless I have a reason" I get the same question about 10 times a week.
I think a close family member is INFJ - answered similarly when asked why she doesnt smile. Can you suggest readings to help me uinderstand this personality type?
@@sraprocida You can try sites such as 16personalities or Truity. You can also book a session with LiJo from her site that she has linked in the description of this video.
I remember being told this when I was little so I started smiling more then I was told not to smile so much and I was baffled. Like.. well what do I do with my face then ??
@@AMbrittni nothing, you just can't please some people. And the sooner you stop trying the better.
Unfortunately not all children have the support system they need to back them up, to learn: you have to be respectful to other people, but you don't have to be liked. You're your own person, you can do whatever you like with your face😂
Why Frank isn't looking at you? Is he trying to hide or just afraid of an INTJ stare?
Introverted Feelers stuff
We can’t Ni control our eyeballs that well lol
shannon kim INTJ here,my eyes go everywhere when I talk and search for the right words and when I listen I either show an ear to focus on the words if I think the information is genuine or death stare if I know I’m being lied to or the person is making up facts
You don't consistently think about if you're looking at them too much vs looking away too much and they'll think you're guilty of something when there's nothing to worry about and no reason to even think that in the first place and oh god you're staring how long have you been staring look away but make it natural so you don't just suddenly dart your eyes away and make them feel uncomfortable...?
@@InternetLiJo LiJo Ni Dom / Frank Ne user.
the INFJs close to my heart are so optimistic and feeling and put others above themselves to the point where the INTJ in me thinks they're naive. I'm so skeptical and sometimes cynical about others, my strong loyalty to my INFJs make me want to protect them at all cost.
Look at how sparkly Lindsay's eyes got when he started talking about the way INFJs give right to the person that has a negative emotional reaction at something they did. You can tell when she is like "yeah I know this" and when she goes "oh i didn't know this" and it's adorable
Hahah I feel so seen in this comment!
@@InternetLiJo thank you for the recognition 🥰
INTJ here, I just want to add that I totally agree with Lijo when it comes to personality trait outside the mbti. I adore people who try to better themselves, not to be better than others, but to be better for their own self. It doesn't even have to be academic wise. Just something simple is fine, as long as you like it and can feel accomplished with it. We're all different and it's pointless to compare with each other, but I want people to be a better version of themselves. And I have no energy to force this to others lol, if you don't want to it's totally fine. It's your life.
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Two of my favourite RUclipsrs talking on a topic I am interested in the most as an intj.
Interesting to watch.
Thanks for this collaboration.
The chemistry 😍
I’ve actually noticed how Frank has a hard time getting the ISFP. I have one in my family and sure he is somewhat artistic, but he is not giving much thought to estethics in his personal life, like what he is wearing for example. He just likes the experience of the arts: He loves going to concerts, the theatre, the opera, he lives for travelling, and he wants to make his home an explosion of sensory awesomeness. But he does not try to explain art, he does not care about listenting to music outside of concerts or taking interest in theatre as a subject, he just loves to be in the moment of it. He also loves to eat out, just by himself, spending hours reading a paper at a café. He only hangs out with people when he can experience sensory together with them. The inferior Te makes it hard for him to take responsibility for things. He has asked me not to expect anything from him. He basically lives in the moment, going out in the world, enjoys it and then retreats to his bubble. He does not really take care of his surroundings, he wants a lovely home but he doesn’t really know how to get there. He just spontaneously buys a lot of fancy stuff he personally likes and put it in his home. The atmosphere of sensory is important to him and he loves to impress other people with his sensory stuff or bragging about concerts he has been to. I don’t know if this was helpful, it’s just a bunch of anectodes, but I guess my point is: ISFP’s are not stereotypical artists, but they enjoy the sensory experience of art like no other type. To me, an INFP, it all appears very superficial, I am more inclined to the intuitive appreciation of art and to understanding complex artistic expressions. I notice Frank sometimes mix ISFP’s and INFP’s up in his interpretation of us as ”artists”.
Yes! I’m an ISFP and it’s very rare that those types of sketches actually get it right. This was a great description for the most part.
His tie’s fine.
@@Anonymous_Anon882 😂
Wow... Having to learn to speak a different language so you can communicate with everyone else, I feel that so deeply. There are very few places I can speak how I actually talk, not to mention people I can speak with who don't get offended by my natural candor. It's so hard and frustrating.
Now this is something i did NOT expect to see lol.
i have i feeling it will be an interesting watch.
It made this guy seem intelligent, which is an amazing surprise.
@@linyenchin6773 oh someone is bitter
@@daisy3869 or butter, could be syrup too, depends on why is observing snd for what...
*Giant Robot Lives Matter!!*
Lol... I just watched 2 “feelers” videos. The way they described INTJ’s was to say that we were really controlling and always trying to control other people or enjoy hurting people by making them feel stupid. They also made these assumptions that we were always in competition with one another over who is smartest.
That couldn’t be further from the truth.
It makes no sense. Why would I waste my time and energy trying to control or change anyone. That’s an impossibility. It’s difficult enough to try and get someone to try a new style of clothing, which I also have no interest in.
I want to become smarter than myself. It makes no sense to waste time trying to become smarter than someone else. It’s understandable that there will always be someone smarter or better at something than us.
Anyway, that was just my thought process in response to some of the stuff you guys were talking about.
There is this competition going on between INTJ and ENTJ/ENTPs, but that isn't a problem for most of us, INTP and INTJ is interesting but usually the INTP would quit,
because they aren't very competitive and they wouldn't care to waste their time continuing the dispute...
INTJ probably usually causes Feelers frustration, but that is because they are unable to understand the irrationality of emotions? At least, the INTP I have here can't understand.
Well, there are immature signs and healthy behaviors for everyone, this INTP did try to change me, but as an INFJ, I remain the same. No one changes me! ~
Unfortunately, not everyone is mature and sometimes you get these extremely toxic people, and some people are a lot more competitive than others! ~
They probably show this as a difference between you and INTPs, because P stands for Procrastination, and they aren't likely to feel any competitive urge whatsoever.
What you feel is normal (and is a low level of competitive) is still 1000% more than most INTPs feel, as they genuinely don't do hardly anything most days.
Compared to the INTP, INTJs are highly competitive and driven... You'll all different, we're all on a spectrum sliding scale here, but yeah INTJ-A vs INTJ-T, it differs.
The Assertive A's are less driven and less anxiety/panic attack prone, less rushed and less efficient than the T's, since they are Turbulent and more emotional, more competitive.
Maybe, the INTJs that are far more competitive and efficiency driven, are just a bit immature and Turbulent, compared to the more relaxed and laid-back Assertive?
@@snowflakestarprincessakiko6013 As an INFJ, I had to dump my ex INTJ because she was incapable of expressing emotions and seemed to much like a robot. It was a huge turn off for me so I had to move on. Unfortunately, that also ended a 20 year friendship we had prior.
the way he laughs is so infj
The lighting makes Lindsay resemble an interplanetary space manager. "So, Frank, the Valles Marineris facility has seen a decrease in net outputs. Can you fill me in on what's going on there?"
Frank: 👁👄👁 👔
😂
Honestly feel like I just woke up on Christmas morning. I was secretly hoping you guys would do a live chat! Reading the comments is making me stoked for when this premieres.
update after watching: yep, it was everything I hoped it would be. Well done!
Thanks so much Delynn!
@@InternetLiJo great Fe follow up ;) Always so impressed with people who make the effort to express gratitude, even for small things.
"Do a video together talking about INTJ or INFJ related! You are both my favorite MBTI youtubers and I would love to see a collab💗"
I literally commented this on a comment Frank James made on your INTJ stereotypes video with Dave Powers. I was so excited about this premiere and once again you both manufactured great content! Seriously, thank you for this.
Ahh maybe it was YOUR COMMENT that I initially saw that inspired this!! So glad we could deliver :)
"If I can come up with one thing that can explain anything else..." Ni explained before it was actually explained lol
Thank you for the video, I enjoyed it so much!
As an INFJ it feels like the INTJ is a super efficient version of the INFJ
And the INFJ is a super warm and feely version of the INTJ.
Love you both, thanks again 🙏
The head and the heart. Logic and passion.
Now you just need an intp.
Pew pew!!
Yes yes
real real
johny johny
Aum aum
This reminds me so much of the so far three days lasting voicemail chain I (INTJ) have with an INFJ friend. We started with one topic and the conversation just keeps evolving. We are talking for hours every day now and it's one of the best times I ever had in my life.
Haha awesome! Glad it was relatable.
That INFJ stare.
Real INTJs watched this with X2 speed so as to get from point A to B more quickly. 😅
I also simultaneously was studying Japanese vocab/Kanji, haha. A prime example of “Doesn’t everyone do things this way?” 😂
This is so relatable. Best of luck with your language learning journey :) I am learning Japanese too.
@@aiuchiha111 wow, is this THE Erin Jager? I thought you knew Japanese already. 😂 笑
@@savvyphilosopher Haha so you know :D
@LiJo as a highschooler INTJ I always thought nobody understood me cause I was very different from everyone, but watching your videos made me realized I am not alone and people can understand me too. So thank you very much.
This was so cool. I could listen to a monthly podcast with these two for hours. Or a special quarantine podcast...or a birthday bash podcast...really any excuse for a podcast. Even if short-lived and inconsistently featured.
This makes me happy ☺️🖤
I find Frank's voice so soothing.
I wish I could just go up to someone and say "let's Ni together"
As an INTJ, if I could find someone who wanted to grow on their own & understood my need to continually do the same, I woulda lived a totally different life.
Why did I laugh out loud when he said “someone get ... killed” ?! 😂😂😂
I laughed too hahah
Was too busy drinking so I decided to study your body languages as I watched, well, it was interesting lmao! Frank doing the classic INFJ trying to think and make sure whast he says matches how he feels, while Li knows what she wants to say from the get go. I can also see Li finishing his sentences and/or thoughts for him and wanting to speak on them though you waited for your turn patiently, something that I somewhat lack but I try to verify the others point before continuing which usually works for me (I also talk really fast, like 4-6 words a second fast lol). Pretty interesting how both of you tend to look away while thinking as well.
Many similarities between you two but there are some abstract differences that I noticed too. I'm more like Li even though I'm an INFJ, I think this is because I've been both an INTJ and INFJ in my lifetime and that's the best way I can describe it (it's complicated as to why I was both) so I have a mixture of both. I think what makes me differ from a lot of other INFJs is that I have very strong convictions and I stand up for them. I also do not avoid conflict, I seek to solve it.
I guess I'm weird XD
We are all weird, and I’m so glad you’re here! Yes I can’t look at the camera; still lol.
@@InternetLiJo
We all have those tendencies, I think it has more to deal with the way we think than anything else. It's just natural body language to most people :)
How can you be 2 types?
@@kita3256
It's impossible to be two types at the same time. I had personal issues that I don't feel like talking about which caused me to turn into an INTJ instead of an INFJ. Now I'm a hybrid of the two though mostly INFJ. But every now and then, depending on what I'm doing, I could turn back into an INTJ. Even though my main function is introversion I have an extremely high amount of extroversion and almost every single category of INTJ and INFJ traits fit me. I don't know why, I'm just weird.
Edit: Also I'm very different from most INFJs due to my extreme extroversion as an introvert (it;s 60/40). I was an INTJ-A and one of our qualities was being assertive. Even when I eventually became what I truly was (an INFJ) my assertiveness never left me. I do not run or hide, I solve my problems directly and quickly. There are some other INFJs who also can be INTJs at times as well. I think it has something to do with much more mature INFJs who use an INTJ side to project themselves. My sensory skills are also incredibly strong. It usually does not take me more than 5 minutes of talking to someone to get to know that person on a very deep level. This is also why I'm more likely to use my INTJ side to do things so I can remain efficient at times while I can be aloof and use my INFJ side when I don't need to be. I think it's because I have experienced both sides that I can use whichever side of me is best for the scenario. But as I said earlier, this wasn't really something that is normal due to my circumstances which caused me to be an INTJ until I woke up recently and became an INFJ. You can only do things for so long until your soul cries out to you and makes you notice that something is wrong. That was a really rough patch of my life and a really rude awakening.
Just imagine one day you are a highly logical thinker and the next day you wake up, you have both logic and emotion and you start connecting with people strongly. that basically explains what I went through to include having my personality overwrite itself (and I mean that literally, as if in I am literally a different person now). Sadly I have an extremely dark side and it is that dark side that has been shown to many people. A dark side that I was hiding whether I was consciously doing it or not. That darkness is now a part of me and is a main driving factor of my life now, though, I don't let it control me, it's just a part of who I am.
That's why I said it's extremely complicated as to why I was both. I'm still pretty young though and while I can adapt, it's not very pleasant to realize you aren't the same person anymore and that you are changing on almost a daily basis. It gets even worse when people see your dark side and think that you are suicidal even when you've never been suicidal a single time in your life. It's just that your past can come back to haunt you, a past you sealed away so you could move on with your life.
Personally, almost no one understands me other than my brother who is exactly the same as I. We think and talk alike, it's weird how that works since he is many years older than me and we took separate paths in life, yet we still have such a strong bond and connection with one another. I think that makes sense though. When you can use and display multiple personality types, that would make you extremely hard to understand and extremely hard to read. And when you think about it, INFJs are already impossible to understand yet alone INTJs. So now being a heavy mixture of both, it's probably even more confusing than ever before.
I guess that's the life of someone who lives on limbo or between two worlds so to speak. To me it's more of a curse that I'm forced to live with, but life goes on just like it does for everyone else.
INFJ and INTJ both do either Unconscious/Subconscious Chameleon, or Conscious Chameleon, that can be rather confusing.
Which way is it though? Did you trick yourself into believing you were one or the other? The truth is, you have either Feeler or Thinker, but you might be 50%/50%, or 49/51%...
INFJ-A is still Assertive, although, I'm only on 33% Extroverted INFJ, but we all have the same traits as INTJ, the only difference is do you react Emotionally First, or Rationally First?
We have a huge problem with burying our emotions, and suppressing how we feel, we know others better than we know ourselves, and this is probably why you got INTJ results.
I'd say that the difference is: INTJs always know themselves, and they know everything about everyone (except INFJs), because we're a mystery to them, as well as everyone else :).
INTJs research everything to death, and study up on people, but INFJs just get the knowledge through emotional intuition, and we don't do investigative research on them (usually).
So, I see how this works, you confused yourself with the Chameleon, and were mimicking INTJ for awhile...
Lindsay!! The talk about childhood Ni communication I can relate so much. Same with FJ as both of my parents are also STs. I could never communicate any idea to them in the abstract. As a child I was super independent and I think it was because I hated the feeling of being pulled down into the sensory to talk to people. I have learned how to communicate in that way but once I get blasting I revert to default Ni and them some people get very confused. Like FJ said, two people talking about the same thing with the same perspective and yet think that they're arguing. It can be frustrating. 😂
Also I love both of your channels it was really fun seeing you two collaborate
Thanks so much Christal, it was such an easy fun conversation to have.
I have a crush on both of them, this is a dream come true
SIncerely, that ENTP
Ahhh my two favs been wanting you guys to collab forever
Here we go!
To my mind, quarantine times are perfect times for introverted intuitives, as we have to interact less with that draining outside world full of sensors now and can listen more often to other intuitives who share their language and their natural approach to things.
Thank you loads for that treat!
Dopamine hit for you: an important part of any art form is hidden in 'not doing' the art form. Sketching? Leave white space (or don't sketch). Music? Drop a beat. Animation? Pause it (anticipation), I'm sure this extends to all art in some way.
I was very pleased when this coalesced.
Oh I love a good beat drop...
@@InternetLiJo I'm with you. Turns out I'm a big fan of white space in all the mediums I've realized its in. 🙂
any one noticed. the intj was always making eye contact, not like the infj which he was trying to not look at the camera :)
Well, she's gorgeous, ridiculously smart, and deeply listening to him; it's no wonder that FJ would be nervous. FJ's brilliant intellect (which he totally downplays here), kind gentle nature, and the fact that he's a little hottie in his own right, made this super fun to watch. Just me, or were there sparks flying all over this interview?
one time i was talking to this guy and he was like “you just have no emotion don’t you” and i said yep that’s me 😂
me just hiding literally all of my emotions cause i barley knew him (i’m an INFJ btw)
I’m an INFJ and I have 2 INTJ best friends.
when fj said that he thinks that his parents are both st i was like "ooouuuuchhh poor fj"
That is as bad as the INTJs with their Extroverted Sensors ESXX parents, ooooh how I feel empathy for them! ~
Yeah, having any ESFJ or ESTP parent, can be extremely annoying and damaging to a poor little INTJ growing up as a child...
The Traditionalist Mindset of the Guardians, when all little INTJs desire freedom and blunt honesty, and being told to obey nonsensical societal customs and rules....
Snowflake Star Princess Akiko Sparkle Queen im intj and my parents are enfp and intj so im good....smh
BROO the part about looking to the future and having to drag around ppl who are stuck in the past is so true. I have a friend who I love but is incredibly stuck on a girl that was important to him in the past. As an INFJ I feel responsible for being his personal therapist and listening to him but I keep telling him that it’s over and done with and he’s changed and he knows he’s changed he’s better now and the girl is completely happy and fine now and just move forward (of course told him more gently). But he’s *EXACTLY* LIKE “nahh I wanna wallow more” LIKE MANN I know it’s important to him but he’s completely detached from that part of his life now move on and give urself a second chance.
An infj here! love how you talked about Ni so much and how it's so natural to us that it's weird to know not everybody thinks this way. also YES 100% the whole realization thing as a child, when you notice the other kids just aren't thinking on the same deep level and you have to find a way to communicate with them. i loved this collab, really cool to see first hand how infjs and intj's react to or think about things differently. i hope you guys do another video like this sometime in the future!
I think I really like you, Lindsay.
Thanks Marc!
An INFJ turned me on to all of this a few days ago. This is all so new and fascinating - Im overwhelmed and gushing but this stream is great - yall are great. Thank you.
Awesome! Glad you found us here!
@@InternetLiJo she is infj im intj. We just cant stop talking its so weird and great. I look forward to your streams!
Frank trying to act normal is fascinating
They look like brother and sister, similar good looks. INFJ here.
Yeah, both are goodlooking.
guys, can i just say, i notice the difference from when you guys are vlogging on your own vs. interacting with each other.
INFJ male here - frank your bit about honesty, trustworthiness, and open communication is amazing.
I’ve been thinking these exact same things for a bit now.
Wild
i learned the harder way: honesty is a weakness.
Maybe true, but without weakness their can be no strength.
It can be if you aren't extremely selective with your words. But you can also gain trust through it without having to trust the other person.
@@charisgehman7941 Yes, I can represent part of my intention in a manipulative / selective way which is not honest. And mostly that is what i'm doing. It just feels awkward.
@@YourNickIsTaken yeah, i guess if you take it in that way it is dishonest and I've felt that before. But a thing I've also learned is that sometimes telling someone the entirety of something can hurt them a lot, and since its something that could hurt them I don't count it as dishonesty just being cautious until they can handle it.
Or in a different case if your the one who doesn't think you could handle the backlash, then it's you preserving your mental health through being careful not to tell the entirety.
Yay! So glad that you did a collaboration together. I've been watching both of your channels for a little while and thoroughly enjoyed this video. 😊
That’s awesome :) thanks so much Taylor, this makes my heart happy.
The most valuable personality trait a person can have outside of type is Humility and Patience. If a person possesses these they can get along with anyone.
I love patient people, humility is a great added bonus
I've developed these and the work does not lead me to particularly enjoy the company of just anybody, even though I can get along with anyone.
I'm not aware of this, no wonder people are now kind to me now than what i did since elementary; phew.
Humility is NOT a trait of INTJ 😂
Entp me after a joke( this small ne ti joke will be so fearful,)
Intj-- omg thats so funny
Me--😮 why everyone cant get this?😅
The way that you’re observing and absorbing what Frank is saying, I can see the Ni happening in real time. I love it!!
Me, using Ni watching your Ni in Ni inception.
Here trying to figure out if I’m Fe/Ti or Te/Fi and thought observing this exchange might help..
I’ve also thought I was an INFJ, but this, and your comment about it being difficult to know if the INTJ’s interest is more human experience oriented…give me more question than answers. I’ve always had a special interest in psychology (since I started looking into MBTI 10 years ago), which was mainly to help me understand what those in my life were feeling better. Maybe I am an INTJ…
Y'all had just reminded me of this interesting thought while I was walking. I realized that math in school is just moving along a number line. Addition is forward, subtraction is backwards, multiplication is jumping forward and division is jumping back.
I've been trying to get to the bottom of what understanding is and how can learn to better myself in that way.
(1) want to be around people who want to grow also (2) & don’t want to change anyone (3) BUT people also sometimes need healing time
Being able to differentiate is tough.
Frank, that was a sweet story, and I love how you said “the whatever you call it” for the building. I do this all the time, and I teach college students, I do it in front of them, and often say “oh c’mon you guys, help me!”. Not that frank is reading this, but perhaps a human, somewhere will relate. It is worth it for any single human who might connect for a second in time. Isn’t it? Isn’t it just about these spaces in between when all is said and done? I cannot help this. I get deep. INFJ
I think INFJs are self conscious around INTJs but INTJs lovem. Like, this girl seems dry about this convo (to a non-NI person) but her mind is on mega fireworks, right now. Like, "oh my gosh........ finally a thought provoking conversation." I'm also an INTJ so our minds are operating on the same frequency. If an INTJ gives you a genuine smile, willingly stepping out of their introverted turtle shell universe, then gosh dang - you deserve an award. You have intrigued their mind and piqued their intellect.
As an INFJ i actually think most INFJs feel more "free" and comfortable around INTJs. We feel self conscious around people who dont understand how our brains function *Ni* because that allows for someone to misunderstand you...which INFJS hate.
I really appreciate these types of discussions, you gave me the perfect phrasing for that abstract concept that’s always in the back of my mind.
“I’m living in a more abstract [conceptual/theoretical] land [with endless possibilities], and feeling pulled down to the sensory [literal/objective] world where I have to interact with other humans and I could never really speak my own language with them.”
This is my life. My whole life. Thank you for spitting out the words I can’t translate.
Great video Lindsy! I am an INFJ male and I think the point you made about growth and progress in someone weather its friends and other really important to me. Not sure why. It didn't use to that important in my 20's but as I reached my 30's I really want to hang with people like that. I don't want to push people in that direction but sometimes I think I make those conversations and let them arrive at those conclusions themselves. Thant's when I get my dopamine spark!! To realize that have finally latched onto a progressive idea, habit, midset, spirituality etc that makes them better than before or finally as you said got themselves unstuck by trying some new things!!
I'm INTJ and my roommate is INFJ we get along so good
YESSSS!!! That's the thing that annoys me most, an happens to me, all the time!!! I'll say something in my own words, an they'll take it offensive, argue, but say the same thing. Then, get angry at me, an I'm just here; 🤔..."do u just like, arguments"?
Now,there’s a treat for you Frank.
The treat was all mine!
Frank explaining why he might want trustworthiness and communication because he's an infj and wanting all the information blew my mind.
Random ENFJ here strolling along. I feel like I’m listening to another language lol. 😂😂😂 My sister’s an INTJ and loves this channel.
Ahh! haha That's awesome
I didnt know i needed this
Yeee!
Frank Ti takes so much time to choose the 100% percent correct word
I too am guilty of this as an INFJ.
@@kateeames4332 my ISTP friend also take a whole day to tell the specific word
You're right, haha I have a friend that does the same.
I call it "Chasing my next epiphany". Always looking for the "how and why" behind the "what", so that I can make a complex subject simple. By understanding, I don't have to memorize all the sensory data in order to answer questions about a topic. On the flip side, through this process, simple philisophical quotes or song lyrics suddenly gain profound depth. This is often the trigger that helps me realize that i've chased the rabbit down the hole deep enough for that epiphany... when the dichotomy bridging simplicity and depth are interchangeably linked. Then, I find myself excitedly sharing this newly discovered "depth" from a simple quote/lyric to an audience of crickets...
Omg my two favourite people. True happiness never felt better OMG
🖤 thanks Vivian!
@@InternetLiJo Just wanted to say thank you.i found out some time ago that I am an INTJ and i felt really alone. Lately I started watching yours and Frank's videos,and I am so much better, I improved so much 😘💙
Such a people conversation here.
You are both deciders :D
LMAO
So I had a hunch that you guys were gonna collab at some point 😏. Great interview! @18:25 I think that INFJs and INTJs both have that drive in them to keep improving and striving for success in life that seeing someone live an "average" existence seems pointless and belittling. This however could be many peoples' ideal life and there nothing wrong with that, as long as they are happy and complete.
Lol Frank James took a test recently and got ISTJ 🤣
7:14 - Tell us about a time where you felt misunderstood
Most INFJ - um, my whole life?
True
im watching this whole interaction and find myself thinking, “Gosh is this how i react to an INFJ? and is she thinking what im thinking about this guy?” LOL
Can someone tell whatever the heck they're thinking, it's making my head hurt
It's interesting how you both felt "dragged down" to the sensory world. I get it. I'm an INTJ and my Mom was an INFJ and we both used to talk about abstract stuff all the time. I remember once when I was a kid that I told her, "Mom, wouldn't it be cool if we were just big brains and we didn't have to deal with these bodies?" and she was like "Yes!". She understood. And it DOES feel like you are being dragged down to this other sensory world where everyone is so oblivious and ignorant. I know that sounds mean but it's how I've always felt. You feel that is bringing you down in more than one way. When I was 8 years old, I told my mother that I did not respect my stepmother's brain. I later figured out that my stepmom is an ESFJ. I thought she was stupid (she's not). But at 8, she seemed so unaware of things that were so obvious to me. Both my parents (mother and father) have Ni so my stepmom was the first sensor in my life. Dad was an ENTJ. My stepmom used to say "You are too much like your father" and she was NOT saying it as a compliment.
I related so much to the part about self improvement. My past relationships ended because my exes were the type of people FJ mentioned, just existing throughout life. I had to leave them behind because it made me mad that they did not want to grow as people or achieve anything.
As an INTJ-A that's almost an INFJ (My T is around 60%) this is like watching my T and F talking to each other in my head. Pretty amusing.
Love this! My bff is an INTJ! We are 30 now but, recently we had the chance to have a 5 day "sleepover" like old times! The only "minor" difference is now we have husbands and careers (she is an attorney and i am a biz analyst)! working remotely together was a blast too! love my INTJ!
FJ's right about INTPs though. They're hilarious. If you don't have an INTP as a close friend, you're missing out. My day gets so boring now adays when I don't have my INTP bf hanging around being a constant mix of smart and dumb.
Lovingly, an INFJ.
@@ericamarkwardt4910 couldn't agree more :)
Lovely to read that! Lovingly, an INTP.
The one I found is kind of broken and annoying though >
I’m an intj and I have an intp bf. We’re a heck of a duo
I have an INTP roommate. and he is my favorite human being on this planet. I also only see him like twice a week, and mostly because as soon as we start talking, we go down a rabbit trail that goes for hours!
Great video Lindsay! Really enjoyed the interaction between you two!
Thanks so much Dave!!