Put a touch in the stove flue hole, put a piece of card on top of the stove flue hole with a small hole in the centre. The light should shine through the hole onto the roof. Bingo .
I've become addicted to watching your progress. So hope this comes out to your satisfaction! Watching from Omaha, Nebraska. You remind me of my father and that pleases me. I am 73, so it's not like you look old, you aren't.
For the flue, just place the stove where you want iton the hearth and use a plumb to find the required centreat the ceiling when installed. Drill a hole from the inside, then go up top and use that hole as a guide for the flue hole. As you might guess, it's important to avoid water coming in either by leak or by condensation inside the flue. Neglecting this point will cause your stove to rust out in a few years. Don't know why you're bothering with fastening the stove feet from below. On the canals the stove will not be pitching about, so just drop bolts through from the top.to restrict lateral movement and you'll be sweet.
Cheers for the regulator - looks great, and thanks to you both for the card, mate that really touched me and has made such a difference to the feel on board, sounds odd but it has. Merry Christmas to you and your family 👍🏼
I'm sure Jo and Vic from Holly The Boat Cafe did a video on installing their flue through the ceiling fairly recently with an angle grinder. Having an angle grinder will pay for itself on a metal boat. Aldi sell heavy duty wire brush attachments which are great for removing rust too. You have an incredible level of stamina. Maybe its all the tea?
Jo and Vic ended up drilling a load of small holes and then sawing between them but they'd already had the boat painted and didn't want hot swarf from an angle grinder flying all over the place and embedding in the paint. At least that's one problem you haven't got James.
Another fab informative vlog James, I’m sure you are going to be the cause of a load of “project boats” being snapped up in the new year. P.s. your jeans are evidence why we use the correct tools for the job👌 keep up the good work James👍
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt Yup, I most likely would have done the same thing. That’s what happens when you just want to get the job done. At the rate you are going I look forward to the big Christmas reveal
For locating the stove angles on the floor using double sided tape to stick it in place to the floor. Move the stove carefully and the angles are then positioned as needed.
A spirit level or a plumb bob are useless on a boat that isn't sitting completely level - as I'm sure you already know James. So the best way to find the centre of the hole for your flue is a square cornered bit of plywood on the top of the stove extended to the ceiling with another straight edge. Mark all around the circumference on the ceiling and then drill closely spaced holes before heading outside and joining them all up with a jig saw.
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt Not sure about the wise bit! Might be too late but you could fix the stove down with two screws through the tiles and into the wooden base. Apparently this is sufficient to pass the BSS test and is deemed secure enough. This technique also means that if ever you need to remove the stove at a later date then you won't have to destroy any trim around the hearth to get to the nuts. It would also save on any further laying down on the job injuries!
Setting bits of angle iron down, forgetting about it, and then lying back onto them...you may find you have an undiscovered talent as a physical comedian. Something similar happened to me. I was replacing an outlet on a wall, and it had been painted over multiple times. So I was having to pry the outlet away from the box. That shook loose a cuckoo clock that was hanging on a nail above, and it came off the nail and hit me on the head. As the laws of comedy are as powerful as the laws of gravity, this caused a little wooden bird to come out of the door, making a cuckoo noise as it hit my head. My niece, who was watching all this, started laughing her head off.
I fitted my stove a couple of years back pretty much exactly as you have been doing. Cutting the hole and positioning the flue is scary but doable - my top tips are, don’t screw the stove down till the hole is cut and the roof collar is roughly in place, then you can dry fit the stove and flue pipe and adjust the position to fit the hole in the roof if you need to. Drop a plumb line down and drill a pilot hole, then use the pilot hole to mark out the cut lines on the roof. Trying to cut the roof destroyed my cheap Aldi jigsaw after about 30 seconds. An emergency trip to Screwfix and a decent Makita jigsaw with a Bosch HSS blade made it easy. Use loads of Silkaflex sealant under the collar because you don’t want to try and remove it again if it leaks. I filled the gap between the collar and the flue with fire rope, then high temp fireproof silicone sealant top and bottom. Good luck !
That’s really really useful information - thanks. Did you put anything between the flue and the collar on the inside of the roof lining. I’ve got cement for the bottom of the flue, and fire rope for the top (outside) - but what about inside ceiling?? Also my decorative flue piece is only 40mm wide and needs to be drilled into ceiling - therefore timber ceiling must therefore be around 30ish mils from the outside of the SINGLE walled flue - is this ok - what did you do? Also how far back should I trim the insulation around the flue. Sorry for all the questions !!
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt no prob, ask away! I was fitting mine into a boat which had never had a stove so had to cut quite a big hole in the existing tongue & groove ceiling to get to the steel roof from the inside, it also had to be big enough to get to the bolts for the collar so ended up being about 30cm long on each side. This also allowed me to cut back the existing polystyrene insulation so it was well away from the flue. Inside the collar I put the fire rope roughly right in the middle then a layer of the high temp silicone both sides to totally seal it all in. To cover the big hole in the roof I made a square hardwood trim panel and the cavity behind it I filled with fire resistant high temp expanding foam which you can order from most builders merchants. I screwed the rim panel up which had about a 1.5 cm clearance around the flue pipe, then injected the foam to fill the void and fitted a cast iron ring around the flue to finish it all and close the gap up. Hope that makes sense!
The Declining Cyclist that’s makes great sense thanks. So I’m total, you used 2 lengths of rope for the whole install. One on both sides of the collar yeah?
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt no, just the one length which I tamped down in between the flue and the collar so it sat about equidistant from the top and the bottom of the collar, then applied the sealant above and below it so the rope was effectively like the filling of a sandwich with the silicone above and below it.
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt 30mm isn't even enough for a twin wall flue, they usually require 50-60mm. Whatever flue you end up using, I suggest you use some CS board around it, of sufficient thickness to fill the gap left by cutting out the ceiling panel, battens and insulation. You could even tile it and fasten your decorative piece to the tiles. The distances to combustibles don't just deal with normal use of the fire, they also take into account fault conditions such as a fire in the chimney and over firing of the stove.
To stop diamond tipped drillbit skating on start up begin with the drill at an angle to the tile. As the tip bites in raise the drill to the upright vertical position and gently apply pressure. I have had a bad experience with the drill bits on porcelain too and yet others review to the contrary. Tiles are rather gorgeous - great taste Mum and Dad.
Sqreader tool for the grout to squish it down between the tiles. Any bit of flexible qlastic will do, bit of water bottle e.g. I've only done it once so I've got there by trial and error. Leave it to go off a bit and then wiqe off the excess with a damq cloth.
It looks like you've used one part of tile grout for the tiles to two parts grout to you jeans!! They almost look white. Next you'll be singing staying alive! Ha! Great videos mate, keep it up.
Hi another good vlog just thought I might say that next time you do grouting a plastic or rubber spreader the is the best tool to use as you need to force the grouting right in to take up any gaps that may have been left in the adhesive (if in a shower this is what makes them waterproof) your expensive drill went blunt because they are made for porcelain tiles which are very hard soft material like yours just blunts them in the trade we use glass drills for tiles as they don't crack the tiles and are very cheap from screwfix.also you will find the hole in the roof will cut very easy with a jigsaw and good quality blade (I find Bosch to be pretty good) just take it slowly.
Use a Decorator’s plumb line to determine where the centre hole for the flue exiting the roof should be with the plumb weighted end in the dead centre of the flue exit on the stove top. Don’t use an angle grinder to cut the hole a jigsaw is a far better option assuming you don’t have access to a plasma cutter.
If the boat isn't level you at least know that your stove sides are perpendicular to the floor, so you could use a long straight edge placed against the sides of the stove to project the stove outline onto the ceiling.
Hi James, I just purchased my narrow boat and I been for morrocan tyles and then I saw yours and there just what I'm looking for. Are you happy to share where you purchased them. Many thanks
Hiya I’m actually not on the boat at the moment so can’t see the box. I do detail the tiles in one of the fireplace videos (sorry I don’t know which one). I think it’s a company called sarsen stone or something like that in Wiltshire I believe - google or watch the vids I guess. Sorry I couldn’t be more help. They’re really good tiles for the fireplace - retain warmth nicely - pricey though as they are 12mm concrete tiles !!
It might just be the camera angle your using at the moment but there's an interesting optical effect from the tiles where the stove seems to be hovering, a bit like a hologram effect.
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt I know I've brought this up before but that didn't sound like an insulated (i.e. twin wall) flue pipe when you tapped on it. If it isn't please reconsider before you cut your hole in the roof. A twin wall is not just safer from a touching point of view, it also requires less distance from combustibles and makes the flue more efficient. Apart from Morso, who have a flue designed specifically for boats, most stoves are tested against the building regulations where the minimum flue height appears to be 4.5m. Anything you can do to compensate for having a shorter flue will improve efficiency.
You had remarked about having the cover up while brewing some tea, coffee, etc... I was thinking, using a good kettle, in the winter heat your tea on the stove and during the summer have an electric element sitting on the stove? ;-)
Did you video the part where you put the trim around the fireplace? Any idea which video that's in? Really enjoying your channel btw, you have a good attitude to all the challenges of the build ☺
@@josephderusso1678 Couldn't he just put his square on top of the fireplace to check plumb line is straight? Or couldn't he just cut a straight bit off wood length between top of stove and ceiling and use his square? Does it even have to be that perfect couldn't he do it by eye or does it have to be completely square?
@@claire4486 I’m sure he wants it as perfectly straight as he can get it He’s a bit of a perfectionist one of the reasons I enjoy watching him I’m sure there are other ways
@@josephderusso1678 I was just saying out of curiosity does it have to be perfectly square for a seal between flue and fire. Or is by eye so looks straight kind of thing ok.
WATCH OUT... WATCH OUT!!! Even though you upload these videos almost instantly, but I was still yelling a warning to the screen, as if you could hear me and we were live on Zoom.
Hi James, The fireplace looks really good, But don't want to put a damper on it all, I am fitting a log stove in my garage at the moment Just found out they are banning all log burner soon Which has really pissed me off What's going happen with boat fires ?
It depends on what stove and what year the boat was. Mine is a 1971 boat so any new rules or regs are only applicable to new boats. It’s doesn’t apply retrospectively. A log burner just be DEFRA approved to be compliant moving forwards. To be clear, they are NOT banning log fires and never will.
Put a touch in the stove flue hole, put a piece of card on top of the stove flue hole with a small hole in the centre. The light should shine through the hole onto the roof. Bingo .
I've become addicted to watching your progress. So hope this comes out to your satisfaction! Watching from Omaha, Nebraska. You remind me of my father and that pleases me. I am 73, so it's not like you look old, you aren't.
I’m so glad these vids please you, that’s a very kind compliment. Glad to have another subscriber from Nebraska. Take care of yourself
Oh wow! Because of the pattern it looks like draped fabric. Well done.
really enjoying this
Tiles are looking good behind the stove. The special sound effects at the end of the vlog, just shows all the emotions 🤣
For the flue, just place the stove where you want iton the hearth and use a plumb to find the required centreat the ceiling when installed. Drill a hole from the inside, then go up top and use that hole as a guide for the flue hole. As you might guess, it's important to avoid water coming in either by leak or by condensation inside the flue. Neglecting this point will cause your stove to rust out in a few years.
Don't know why you're bothering with fastening the stove feet from below. On the canals the stove will not be pitching about, so just drop bolts through from the top.to restrict lateral movement and you'll be sweet.
Looks good James ,when I got home from work I realised I could have included a tile and grout tool in the package.
Cheers for the regulator - looks great, and thanks to you both for the card, mate that really touched me and has made such a difference to the feel on board, sounds odd but it has. Merry Christmas to you and your family 👍🏼
Our pleasure mate .you probably don't realise but your vlogs really help during these horrible times .
I'm sure Jo and Vic from Holly The Boat Cafe did a video on installing their flue through the ceiling fairly recently with an angle grinder. Having an angle grinder will pay for itself on a metal boat. Aldi sell heavy duty wire brush attachments which are great for removing rust too. You have an incredible level of stamina. Maybe its all the tea?
Jo and Vic ended up drilling a load of small holes and then sawing between them but they'd already had the boat painted and didn't want hot swarf from an angle grinder flying all over the place and embedding in the paint. At least that's one problem you haven't got James.
@@michaelburns6197 Sorry Michael I've watched too many of these videos and the brain is fried. You're correct they did indeed.
Going off to see family so wishing you and yours a Very Merry Christmas indeed, now... C U in a few days Take care.. CHEERS.
Merry Christmas to you and yours mate. Thanks for your support so far and I’ll keep posting !! Take care
Another fab informative vlog James, I’m sure you are going to be the cause of a load of “project boats” being snapped up in the new year.
P.s. your jeans are evidence why we use the correct tools for the job👌 keep up the good work James👍
My jeans are heading for the bin whilst my 2 pairs of work trousers are clean in my bag!! Annoying !!
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt Yup, I most likely would have done the same thing. That’s what happens when you just want to get the job done. At the rate you are going I look forward to the big Christmas reveal
For locating the stove angles on the floor using double sided tape to stick it in place to the floor. Move the stove carefully and the angles are then positioned as needed.
Oh that's the flue,I thought it was a big bong😂😂😂
There may be an off-cut.......
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt 😂😂,it is Xmas lol
A spirit level or a plumb bob are useless on a boat that isn't sitting completely level - as I'm sure you already know James. So the best way to find the centre of the hole for your flue is a square cornered bit of plywood on the top of the stove extended to the ceiling with another straight edge. Mark all around the circumference on the ceiling and then drill closely spaced holes before heading outside and joining them all up with a jig saw.
That’s exactly what I though my of doing - thanks for validating my approach though oh wise one 🙏
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt Not sure about the wise bit! Might be too late but you could fix the stove down with two screws through the tiles and into the wooden base. Apparently this is sufficient to pass the BSS test and is deemed secure enough. This technique also means that if ever you need to remove the stove at a later date then you won't have to destroy any trim around the hearth to get to the nuts. It would also save on any further laying down on the job injuries!
Setting bits of angle iron down, forgetting about it, and then lying back onto them...you may find you have an undiscovered talent as a physical comedian.
Something similar happened to me. I was replacing an outlet on a wall, and it had been painted over multiple times. So I was having to pry the outlet away from the box. That shook loose a cuckoo clock that was hanging on a nail above, and it came off the nail and hit me on the head. As the laws of comedy are as powerful as the laws of gravity, this caused a little wooden bird to come out of the door, making a cuckoo noise as it hit my head. My niece, who was watching all this, started laughing her head off.
I’m laughing whilst reading that!!! We could be a new Charlie Chaplin style slapstick comedy with minor injuries thrown in !!!
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt On the positive side, it's given me an excuse. "Well, what did you expect? He was hit on the head with a cuckoo clock!"
I fitted my stove a couple of years back pretty much exactly as you have been doing. Cutting the hole and positioning the flue is scary but doable - my top tips are, don’t screw the stove down till the hole is cut and the roof collar is roughly in place, then you can dry fit the stove and flue pipe and adjust the position to fit the hole in the roof if you need to. Drop a plumb line down and drill a pilot hole, then use the pilot hole to mark out the cut lines on the roof. Trying to cut the roof destroyed my cheap Aldi jigsaw after about 30 seconds. An emergency trip to Screwfix and a decent Makita jigsaw with a Bosch HSS blade made it easy. Use loads of Silkaflex sealant under the collar because you don’t want to try and remove it again if it leaks. I filled the gap between the collar and the flue with fire rope, then high temp fireproof silicone sealant top and bottom. Good luck !
That’s really really useful information - thanks. Did you put anything between the flue and the collar on the inside of the roof lining. I’ve got cement for the bottom of the flue, and fire rope for the top (outside) - but what about inside ceiling?? Also my decorative flue piece is only 40mm wide and needs to be drilled into ceiling - therefore timber ceiling must therefore be around 30ish mils from the outside of the SINGLE walled flue - is this ok - what did you do? Also how far back should I trim the insulation around the flue. Sorry for all the questions !!
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt no prob, ask away! I was fitting mine into a boat which had never had a stove so had to cut quite a big hole in the existing tongue & groove ceiling to get to the steel roof from the inside, it also had to be big enough to get to the bolts for the collar so ended up being about 30cm long on each side. This also allowed me to cut back the existing polystyrene insulation so it was well away from the flue. Inside the collar I put the fire rope roughly right in the middle then a layer of the high temp silicone both sides to totally seal it all in. To cover the big hole in the roof I made a square hardwood trim panel and the cavity behind it I filled with fire resistant high temp expanding foam which you can order from most builders merchants. I screwed the rim panel up which had about a 1.5 cm clearance around the flue pipe, then injected the foam to fill the void and fitted a cast iron ring around the flue to finish it all and close the gap up. Hope that makes sense!
The Declining Cyclist that’s makes great sense thanks. So I’m total, you used 2 lengths of rope for the whole install. One on both sides of the collar yeah?
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt no, just the one length which I tamped down in between the flue and the collar so it sat about equidistant from the top and the bottom of the collar, then applied the sealant above and below it so the rope was effectively like the filling of a sandwich with the silicone above and below it.
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt 30mm isn't even enough for a twin wall flue, they usually require 50-60mm. Whatever flue you end up using, I suggest you use some CS board around it, of sufficient thickness to fill the gap left by cutting out the ceiling panel, battens and insulation. You could even tile it and fasten your decorative piece to the tiles. The distances to combustibles don't just deal with normal use of the fire, they also take into account fault conditions such as a fire in the chimney and over firing of the stove.
Your getting there James keep it up 👍
To stop diamond tipped drillbit skating on start up begin with the drill at an angle to the tile. As the tip bites in raise the drill to the upright vertical position and gently apply pressure. I have had a bad experience with the drill bits on porcelain too and yet others review to the contrary. Tiles are rather gorgeous - great taste Mum and Dad.
I’m just glad the whole drilling into tiles thing is done with !
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt Shower cubicle? Go for ceramic tiles or aquapanel.
neil turner I’m going for an aqua panel I reckon - they look pretty good. Just about to look at this cubicle
Sqreader tool for the grout to squish it down between the tiles. Any bit of flexible qlastic will do, bit of water bottle e.g. I've only done it once so I've got there by trial and error. Leave it to go off a bit and then wiqe off the excess with a damq cloth.
It looks like you've used one part of tile grout for the tiles to two parts grout to you jeans!! They almost look white. Next you'll be singing staying alive! Ha! Great videos mate, keep it up.
🤣
I should have suggested how to grout. Pour it, spread it, wipe up with a sponge. Lol!
You could use the rings on the bottle for measuring.
Hi another good vlog just thought I might say that next time you do grouting a plastic or rubber spreader the is the best tool to use as you need to force the grouting right in to take up any gaps that may have been left in the adhesive (if in a shower this is what makes them waterproof) your expensive drill went blunt because they are made for porcelain tiles which are very hard soft material like yours just blunts them in the trade we use glass drills for tiles as they don't crack the tiles and are very cheap from screwfix.also you will find the hole in the roof will cut very easy with a jigsaw and good quality blade (I find Bosch to be pretty good) just take it slowly.
Use a Decorator’s plumb line to determine where the centre hole for the flue exiting the roof should be with the plumb weighted end in the dead centre of the flue exit on the stove top. Don’t use an angle grinder to cut the hole a jigsaw is a far better option assuming you don’t have access to a plasma cutter.
If the boat isn't level you at least know that your stove sides are perpendicular to the floor, so you could use a long straight edge placed against the sides of the stove to project the stove outline onto the ceiling.
Hi James, I just purchased my narrow boat and I been for morrocan tyles and then I saw yours and there just what I'm looking for.
Are you happy to share where you purchased them.
Many thanks
Hiya
I’m actually not on the boat at the moment so can’t see the box. I do detail the tiles in one of the fireplace videos (sorry I don’t know which one). I think it’s a company called sarsen stone or something like that in Wiltshire I believe - google or watch the vids I guess. Sorry I couldn’t be more help.
They’re really good tiles for the fireplace - retain warmth nicely - pricey though as they are 12mm concrete tiles !!
Thank you James, all the best
It might just be the camera angle your using at the moment but there's an interesting optical effect from the tiles where the stove seems to be hovering, a bit like a hologram effect.
I can assure you it’s not hovering. It’s weighs a bloody tonne
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt I know, I've shifted a couple and you just can't believe how heavy they are for their size.
Ha now I can’t stop seeing it hovering!!
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt I know I've brought this up before but that didn't sound like an insulated (i.e. twin wall) flue pipe when you tapped on it. If it isn't please reconsider before you cut your hole in the roof. A twin wall is not just safer from a touching point of view, it also requires less distance from combustibles and makes the flue more efficient. Apart from Morso, who have a flue designed specifically for boats, most stoves are tested against the building regulations where the minimum flue height appears to be 4.5m. Anything you can do to compensate for having a shorter flue will improve efficiency.
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas to you too 👍🏼
You had remarked about having the cover up while brewing some tea, coffee, etc...
I was thinking, using a good kettle, in the winter heat your tea on the stove and during the summer have an electric element sitting on the stove? ;-)
Did you video the part where you put the trim around the fireplace? Any idea which video that's in? Really enjoying your channel btw, you have a good attitude to all the challenges of the build ☺
Never mind, I found it!
Yes plumb Bob if your boat is level
Good point didn’t think of that
@@josephderusso1678 Couldn't he just put his square on top of the fireplace to check plumb line is straight? Or couldn't he just cut a straight bit off wood length between top of stove and ceiling and use his square? Does it even have to be that perfect couldn't he do it by eye or does it have to be completely square?
I hope he sees your comment a couple of people are saying plumb bob
And I doubt the boats are leveled
@@claire4486 I’m sure he wants it as perfectly straight as he can get it
He’s a bit of a perfectionist one of the reasons I enjoy watching him
I’m sure there are other ways
@@josephderusso1678 I was just saying out of curiosity does it have to be perfectly square for a seal between flue and fire. Or is by eye so looks straight kind of thing ok.
Erm second one I’ve missed !
I would have turned the air blue if I had laid on those brackets! Ouch!
Always remain professional when the camera is rolling !!
WATCH OUT... WATCH OUT!!! Even though you upload these videos almost instantly, but I was still yelling a warning to the screen, as if you could hear me and we were live on Zoom.
musictube250 oh bless you!! It was a bit of a surprise !!
Hi James, The fireplace looks really good, But don't want to put a damper on it all,
I am fitting a log stove in my garage at the moment Just found out they are banning all log burner soon
Which has really pissed me off What's going happen with boat fires ?
I believe that you can still burn seasoned wood and smokeless coal. Regular coal and unseasoned wood is banned. Hope this helps.
It depends on what stove and what year the boat was. Mine is a 1971 boat so any new rules or regs are only applicable to new boats. It’s doesn’t apply retrospectively. A log burner just be DEFRA approved to be compliant moving forwards. To be clear, they are NOT banning log fires and never will.
@@paullowden1643 Thanks for the info
Have a good Christmas keep safe 👍
Go with the jigsaw it will do the job
A jigsaw works fine with a not so coarse blade and some cutting oil. But at first drill some holes around the circumference.
Nice job, sorry for dropping you in it with the Oasis reference...😵
😂
Seal the grout or the soot from the stove will turn it black. As far as the boats, how about Bloody Hell
The boats name
I say it too often, will get confusing for people
Pink Floyd, Metallica, James Blunt? Did you steal my iPod?
There can’t be too many of us Metallica/Blunt fans out there....
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt ...and even fewer who admit to it in public.
You should sue that guy who made the kidney-piercing brackets. No risk assessment, no installation manual.
Sue him!!! He’s the one fixing the hole at the back of my boat !!
Installation manual - don’t put them on the floor, edge up and then lie down quickly on them. That’s about it !
Now you know why the proper brackets have rounded edges :)
What, so you can lay on them? Numpty.
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