@@youssifsamir796 God's immortality is not stagnant. It's a continuous novelty. From an Ortodox point of view God didn't bring death. Man did by disobedience of his first comandant...
The problem with Dorian's philosophy is that he sees everything and everyone as an interaction waiting for death. He let nihilism cloud the beauty of the world growing into a new age and being there to see it. Rather than value what is right in front of him even if it is fleeting he would rather only ever focus on how it all ends which is defeating of course.
Do you blame him though for seeing the world like that? He's immortal. Live a few hundred years and stay positive about humanity never truly changing. Just death remains constant.
@Sundown_Clown474 Reeve Carney does not need to play that role to be perceived as handsome. Nature was very kind to him in that department. You make it seem like he didn’t have a big ego before being cast in that role. Good looking men all have big egos. I’m certain he knows he is gorgeous to look at.
From a series called Penny Dreadful. It has 3 seasons. It ends kinda incomplete. There are also some books or comic books that continue the story for some characters from what I recall.
@@eduardmanecuta5350jsyk it ended exactly when it was meant to. They knew going in it would be three seasons. It was a Penny dreadful in itself and that's why it ended the way it did.
@@eduardmanecuta5350 i sqw some interviews where they said they knew it would be three. Now, maybe if they could have done more they would have but who knows. From what i saw they said they were prepared for three. Who knows what's really true tho.. were just the fans.
Everybody talking about Dorian's concept of life, beauty and immortality. But why they don't see Lily's? Dorian sees the lack of passion in his mortality like the price to pay for such perfection for not aging. But Lily is more ambitious, she dares to look for an immortality with passion too, he looks more pleausure in degradation than her yet. She has a vision less nihilist, but more realistic and cathastrophic, knowledge got from her own experience in pain when she was human, when she was Brona. So, all the wisdom own to Lily. She has experienced the immortality but the mortality too with all the rawness evilness that the reality has inherent. She is right about everything. Dorian only has experienced pleausure. But Lily pleausure now and pain before. Her experince is what make her speech superior to Dorian's in the whole season 3. All the things she says when she is with John Clare and Victor is the test.
Or maybe it's because she just got immortal and thinks she is special and different, like all women do, barely even thinking about the words of a man because all men are dumb to women.
I disagree. He knows first hand from past experiences that throughout his existence everything he grows to love, eventually gets taken away from him. These are painful experiences to re-live over and over. Eventually, you develop a protective shield around your heart and you stop caring. For her, immortality is still fresh and new, so she is hanging on to her past pains. Eventually, she too will end up dead on the inside. It takes time. I know this for a fact because I used to be a loving, caring person but the realities of life, and prolonged suffering at the hands of other humans, have forever changed me. I am just as dead on the inside today, as Dorian is portrayed to be in this show. I’m not immortal but it still applies. There is only so much trauma you can take from this life until you say, “no more”.
Such a beautiful speech, but his (the actor) delivery was awful. He didn't convey (at least not form me) the coldbloodness that Dorian here should have.
Except that what this speech is about isn't simply immortality: it's about loneliness.
Dorian could have lily tho forever, but he got bored with how things were going.
Which is what immortality would make you feel.
And what is immortality, but loneliness on steroids?
I was always fascinated by immortality until now, it feels like a maddening curse at this point.
God's greatest gift for us is death, despite what some may think.
I mean imagine just the mere pain of outliving your own child...
@@youssifsamir796 but you get to see your grandchildren grow up
Well Dorian essentially cursed himself so his immortality almost from the beginning was full of torment.
@@doctordaro2112 And their grandchildren
@@youssifsamir796 God's immortality is not stagnant. It's a continuous novelty. From an Ortodox point of view God didn't bring death. Man did by disobedience of his first comandant...
An eternity without passion , without affection, caring for nothing....
The problem with Dorian's philosophy is that he sees everything and everyone as an interaction waiting for death. He let nihilism cloud the beauty of the world growing into a new age and being there to see it. Rather than value what is right in front of him even if it is fleeting he would rather only ever focus on how it all ends which is defeating of course.
i dont think dorian thinks like that even if he said he do
@@enigma1216 it's probably just a cover
Do you blame him though for seeing the world like that? He's immortal. Live a few hundred years and stay positive about humanity never truly changing. Just death remains constant.
His immortality wasn't a gift, but a curse. Pretty sure, Evil wasn't interested to give to him happiness in immortality.
@@-.Germanicus.- He cursed himself with immortality because of his vanity. He tries to escape from his immortality with pleasure.
I never wanted to be immortal. Even as a child. I like being human and the fact we get various stages of existence.
Imagine how much of ego boost any actor cast to play Dorian Gray gets.
Why, it's not like they believe it or take anything about the character serious, do you think Daniel Radcliffe thought he was a wizard?
@@deancalder8799 I mean, he's described as the most perfect, attractive man possible in the book.
@Sundown_Clown474 Reeve Carney does not need to play that role to be perceived as handsome. Nature was very kind to him in that department. You make it seem like he didn’t have a big ego before being cast in that role. Good looking men all have big egos. I’m certain he knows he is gorgeous to look at.
This guy can play Dante from devil may cry
Like fuck 😂
I love chronicles of Narnia Dorian gray and the secret garden
This dude is so hot.
He also plays Orpheus in Hadestown!
Yes, he is. Reeve Carney is very pleasing to the eye. I liked him in this role in particular.
Be careful what you wish for Dorian
Rose! Bad wolf!~
love that show
Como se llama la serie
Penny dreadful te la recomiendo
dorian wasn't immortal in the original novel, just eterally young.
Where is this from?
From the show Penny Dreadful.
From a series called Penny Dreadful. It has 3 seasons. It ends kinda incomplete. There are also some books or comic books that continue the story for some characters from what I recall.
@@eduardmanecuta5350jsyk it ended exactly when it was meant to. They knew going in it would be three seasons. It was a Penny dreadful in itself and that's why it ended the way it did.
@@tsilva2183 It was cancelled from what I know.
@@eduardmanecuta5350 i sqw some interviews where they said they knew it would be three. Now, maybe if they could have done more they would have but who knows. From what i saw they said they were prepared for three. Who knows what's really true tho.. were just the fans.
Everybody talking about Dorian's concept of life, beauty and immortality. But why they don't see Lily's? Dorian sees the lack of passion in his mortality like the price to pay for such perfection for not aging. But Lily is more ambitious, she dares to look for an immortality with passion too, he looks more pleausure in degradation than her yet. She has a vision less nihilist, but more realistic and cathastrophic, knowledge got from her own experience in pain when she was human, when she was Brona. So, all the wisdom own to Lily. She has experienced the immortality but the mortality too with all the rawness evilness that the reality has inherent. She is right about everything. Dorian only has experienced pleausure. But Lily pleausure now and pain before. Her experince is what make her speech superior to Dorian's in the whole season 3. All the things she says when she is with John Clare and Victor is the test.
Foolishness
Or maybe it's because she just got immortal and thinks she is special and different, like all women do, barely even thinking about the words of a man because all men are dumb to women.
@@richardblack3385arguments?
I disagree. He knows first hand from past experiences that throughout his existence everything he grows to love, eventually gets taken away from him. These are painful experiences to re-live over and over. Eventually, you develop a protective shield around your heart and you stop caring. For her, immortality is still fresh and new, so she is hanging on to her past pains. Eventually, she too will end up dead on the inside. It takes time. I know this for a fact because I used to be a loving, caring person but the realities of life, and prolonged suffering at the hands of other humans, have forever changed me. I am just as dead on the inside today, as Dorian is portrayed to be in this show. I’m not immortal but it still applies. There is only so much trauma you can take from this life until you say, “no more”.
Such a beautiful speech, but his (the actor) delivery was awful. He didn't convey (at least not form me) the coldbloodness that Dorian here should have.
Pay attention to her. Is Lily Frankenstein speech around all the season 2 and 3 which is the best and more ignored & underrated