7 Tips to Improve Your Worship Broadcast Mix
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Thanks for doing this Jake, this is very helpful!!!!
Thank you for all the videos you have helped our church tremendously over the past two months. May God bless you !
Thank you so much for this Brother Jake😊
God bless you All!😊
Compression info and reverb were the tips I used immediately! Thank you! Your channel, by far, is the most informative I have found in my 2 years mixing at our church!
This video came at the perfect time. Thanks Jake!
"digital gain" ( 2:50) does not add noise. it only makes the noise that is already there louder.
eh, depends on what you're doing with the audio signal if you're putting it into another plugin than you may well end up with some distortion which will add noise to it.
0:00 Video Start
0:41 Tip 1 Reduce Cymbal Bleed
2:17 Tip 2 Get Gain Right
4:00 Tip 3 Use a DAW for Mixing
5:17 Tip 4 Vocal Tuning
8:17 Tip 5 Drum Replacement
11:17 Tip 6 More Reverb
14:15 Tip 7 Compression
Thank you
Thank you for your life brother. You have helped our church a lot.
very great content! Been streaming since 2015 and sincerely thanks to you and others like you there's been more church content out there! Thanks! cos in 2014/15 if you had any problem, you couldn't really search for solutions online - cos nobody was out here
Love your videos. Keep up the good work!
Brilliant! Thanks for this Jake
Very useful information! God bless!
The biggest tip that I've discovered is, in Logic, putting the "Broadcast Ready" channel preset on the stereo out channel. Keeps everything from distorting if things get too loud when we've got a full band on stage.
I listened to your stream. Sounds pretty good!
Is this a logic template or something you purchased? Thanks!
@@henryyepez9134 It's a preset that is built into logic. Click on the settings of your stereo out channel, then select Factory>Broadcast Ready
Great video thanks as we start down this path
Even thought I don't know anything about audio, I just love watching your videos! You have such a great spirit! Blessings!
It's never too late to learn :)
@@MixChecks That's so true!
@@MixChecks You are so right!
GREAT stuff Jake:)
wow... it feels very full!
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 Very cool stuff! I’m not there yet, but I watched the whole thing when the time comes
These are all coming from this guy's experiences leading worships definitely!!! I want to emphasize using DAW and multitrack recording.
I like Addictive Drum trigger from XLN Audio.
Good video.
Great tips for sure but to me the most important tip would be isolation for the mixer. Might not be a problem with most churches but I see so many clubs trying to mix a stream right next to or in front of the stage. Hard to really hear what’s going out if stage volume is high.
Excellent
Great advice , Thanks .reverb Ihelps
I now comprehend compression a bit better. Thanks
So real question, what do you think of double patching for those that do have that track space on a mixer and using a digital remote with a live monitor to mix
Tip no 3!
I do stacked (serial) compression on vocals as well as the dry vocal group bus and a rear bus. The down side is when a singer claps right into the mic ☹️
Thanks bro, I really appreciate your help, but how can I get Ableton software or any other software for recording
Compression part was good to me
How much latency does the Trigger 2 add? Might be great for post production and streaming , but for Live with only a USB connection I try to keep my total RT Latency to under 8ms for all tracks.
Jake, are you still using the Luke Hendrickson's template? Looking to give it a whirl and curious as to your thoughts between march and now?
Bethel's Luke Hendrickson?
Maybe He's using stock version of ableton.
Or modified i guess!
Hi, thanks for your input, but how do you deal with latency? not all plug ins atr latency free so if your mixbus has a delay going on you need to match the picture from the cameras..?
I love many of your videos and tips. This one is hitting me a bit differently, especially using tuning for vocalists. I think it personally crosses a line in how much "fixing" gets done in post before sending it into the ether. Feels a little like airbrushing or photoshopping. I think maybe I'm oldschool 😀
When making these kinds of decisions I always ask, "are we removing something that can be a distraction to worship?" I think out of tune vocals can easily cause someone to fixate on that, rather than worship. For that reason, it is an easy decision for me.
@@davidgeiger626 minor imperfections or mistakes by the imperfect humans leading are not a distraction to worship imho. I suppose if curating content for the end user's enjoyment is the goal then it makes sense. I am always focused on improving things at the source and then enhancing them as they are (light effects etc) rather than editing the source material so that it is altered. When I've worked with songwriters on their first recordings, they often react negatively to hearing themselves recorded. I encourage them to work on improving whatever they can (intonation, breath support etc.) but the voice they have is the one God gave them, coming to terms with it and eventually learning to appreciate and enjoy it in it's uniqueness is the way through. (sorry for the ramble) Peace.
Jake or anyone else - are you aware of any studies or resources about churches who have been considering making the switch from a hardware mixer to a DAW mixer? We have done some prototyping and the results have been astounding. We are looking for other churches who have considered it, or done it, why or why not, and what were the organizational impacts (people, training, etc.). Thanks!!
with the pitch corrector - wouldn’t you have to change it to the key for every song? are there any plugins where you can set it and forget it? trying to make our setup somewhat “automated” since our tech crew is pretty small and mostly volunteer. great video! thanks for the tips.
Corey giving his approval at 6:50 :D
Is the drum replacement plugin that you’re talking about only for post or can it be used even when recording?
gave a big like to the video for what happened at 7:19 lol
Hey Jake. Very nice video, as always. A little tip specially for acoustic guitars. Have you considered the use of IRs (impulse response)? There are some free VST IR Loaders that you can use to transform the sound of your guitars to any particular taste (from Gybson to Taylor or Martin - sounds picked from condenser mics, for example). It is a very interesting feature that many people are using to improve the sound of their electric and acoustic guitars. If you've already know or talked about this just forgive me. I looked closer to your acoustic guitar track (in this video) and couldn't see any VSTs applied (like IR loaders for example). Maybe you already have IRs loaded into your pedalboard... Well... just trying to help. Many blessings...
I'm definitely gonna look into this more! Because no I haven't had time to try out an IR but I'm aware of them and it sounds awesome! Thanks for sharing
@@Churchfront I recommend Worship Tutorials Taylor 816 IR. I have a Martin DRS2 with a LR Baggs anthem, and I use the microphone setting. I just needed to compress a little and some EQ and it sounds really good.
so everything setup using the DAW n plugin?? not using mixer and direct setup eqing compressing and blend using mixer and send to broadcast software?? please help.. hehe i make live band and stream from my studio.. and now i just use dgtal mixer and send the mix audio to obs and stream to fb and youtube...
What kind of hardware do you use to get the digital audio out of your DAW to your analog monitor speakers and the headphone amp you are using for mixing/monitoring purposes? We do not have a DANTE card yet (probably this year) and we are still using a mix channel/stereo AUX send for our live stream audio. I need to have a better idea how this transitions in the hardware sense for the purpose of monitoring the DAW mix. Thank you.
I can't get the slate drums to install into my abelton live
One simple question: what technique should I use to send my mixed sound from ableton life to our streaming PC? What are you using? Thinking about dante...
Hey Jake,
is it at all possible to record multitracks and broadcast at the same time with Ableton Live 10 Intro? Or do I need to purchase the Standard or Suite version of Ableton?
Thanks,
Drexal
WRT #3 “Don’t use a broadcast console”. How do you mix a _live_ stream off a computer? And how do you deal with all those plugins live? The title might say “broadcast”, but the thumbnail says “live stream”.
How would you get the audio from the DAW into OBS or ProPresenter? Also how do you monitor the stream mix?
Thanks!!! Love everything except the triggers! As a drummer we work a lot on the placement of ghost notes.
You can do a blend of replaced sounds and the original mic to pick up ghost notes, plus you keep overhead mics in which still pick up ghosts notes. but you raise a good point
We are prototyping using Steven Slate Drums. Ghost notes on the snare was the first thing that came up, so we created a mix/blend that works well (Trigger at about 60% on the snare top, and the snare bottom comes straight in). However, it's important to me that our drummers feel confident that we are preserving the integrity of their performance (and that we actually are). What's the best way to go about doing that?
What is the difference in the $49 version and $149 version of Trigger 2? Thanks
Hey guys was wondering if anybody could help me out with something. Does anyone know how I could I a looking for a setup that looks something like this. Mixing Console----->Mac Running Logic------>Streaming Computer. I want to run it this way because the person on our streaming computer is also running slides and I would want the person mixing for the stream to just focus on that. Is this a possible setup? If so how do I connect my Mac to the streaming computer? Great content as always Jake thanks for all that you guys do!
Can we use this in real time broadcast does it have any latency?
How do you deal with latency when using drum replacement on a live mix?
Still new to the livestreaming world. If I am using a Midas M32, do I need to add a audio interface like a Focusrite Scarlett between my mixer and computer where I'll be running Logic ProX ? Thank you in advance.
Can I use Abeleten lite for live broadcast?
Thank you very much for sharing, it is very helpful.
In our Church we have the Midas M32, How can I send the final mix of the DAW with all the processes already to video Swicher ( we have BlackMagic Studio HD) or transmission program like OBS?.
Hey, i use an x32 but i know that they run a very similar system, on the back you should be able to find a 32 in 32 out USB audio interface. Now you will need 1) to buy a printer cable (USB A to USB B 3.0) 2) google drivers for the m32 from midas. here is a video explaining most of it ruclips.net/video/YRIw4qmVzSM/видео.html
if you have any more questions let me know as i have spent the past few weeks getting this working for our church
I am assuming you are already using your USB Interface insert on the back of your board to send audio to your DAW? If so, you are able to just use a stereo 1/8 to trs cable to connect your computer output to the 1/4" inputs on the back of your BlackMagic Studio HD. We are currently using an audio interface with 4 outputs instead of the line out on our DAW computer. This allows me to send a stereo pair to our video system and a stereo pair to the studio monitors we use in our broadcast mix room. Hopefully this helps. Everyone is trying to figure out the best way to do this kind of stuff right now. Prayers for you!
Ellis Morley Thanks Ellis, it is true the X32 and M32 are very similar in their functions, in fact that configuration of sending the Main LR through the USB card to streaming was my first option, but everything you do in the LR, affects the Streaming . I have tried sending the LR to a stereo Matrix, and it has a good result, right now I am doing with an AUX doing a mix only for streaming, doing it with the DAW would be interesting for the use of plugins to improve the mix. Blessings.
Yes, that's right, I have the card output to my DAW for recording and playback,
I also have a Scarlett 2i2, which I can use to send a stereo to my Swicher,
I must check if in my DAW I can configure the input with the UBS Mixer card, and the output to Scarlett 2i2, is this correct? Is this how you use it? How is latency going? Can you work with it?
If you can help me or explain how you configure your DAW, it would be very helpful.
Thanks and blessings.
@@alexanderpalacios2430 I am currently using Logic Pro X with the Luke Hendrickson broadcast template. Latency has been minimal when using the headphone out on the back of the computer. I use a 64 to 128 I/O buffer rate with standard precision (32 bit) my total latency is about 7 milliseconds which is very manageable. You can't even tell unless you watch the video at 1/4 speed. Who would ever do that? haha. I know you can have a different input source and output source in logic. I have experienced more latency when using an interface to send the output to the camera system instead of the headphone out. All interfaces have different levels of latency. I haven't tried the Scarlett 2i2 but it may work. If it were me, I would just use the headphone out because the 2i2 is only giving you a stereo out anyway. It is the same thing you would get with the headphone out. You could buy a simple headphone splitter to run one signal to your cameras and another to your studio monitors. Hope this helps. It's a little lengthy but it's difficult to give the best advice without seeing the setup. God Bless!
10
:00 it works in real time too?
So what's your solution to streaming via the Mevo plus? I'm using the X32, an iRig, and an iPad for streaming too. I love the idea of using the daw to enhance the output; however I'm not sure how to send that back as input source for the Mevo plus.
I've never used the Mevo plus so this could be wrong but I'm assuming you can just run the X32 audio to a computer with a DAW using either an ethernet or usb cable and then output that audio using either an audio interface or the built-in headphone jack, then just run a TRRS 3.5mm aux cable from one of those options to your iRig
Can i use ableton in a iPad Pro?
I have a question, we have an ancient mixer (Peavey RQ4332C). I get my audio to the camera using an auxiliary line. How can I improve it? Since it comes already mixed without any effects.
Great video guys... Quick question. So in order to use the vocal tuning , the broadcast engineer needs to know the key of each songs?
Yeah
can you do a video on how to setup a talkback mic for just the musicians or band
This is not actually all that complicated... Just set up a mic as normal, connect to your mixer. send to your foldback busses, take it out of the front of house, stream, record etc mixes. Remember to eq out the low end etc so there is clarity in the mic
So much for ghost notes from the snare...
What's the best way to remote mix broadcast audio with a A&H Qu-32 in an isolated room using a DAW? Dante is not an option with this mixer.
Can you mix a stereo bus on an iPad from the other room? Or take usb out to a laptop?
Using waves tune do you have to buy that expensive connector to connect from laptop to x32 ?
Not necessarily. If you mix it all in your daw then it will be fine with the built in usb interface. If you send a single channel to laptop and back into the x32 through tuning, then you'd have to delay the other channels to account for the latency
What version of abelton love ?
Intro standard or suite
What camera and lens did u use for this video
How do I bring my mix into a DAW if my church still has analog board?
Use Donte
How much babysitting do you have to do with this in the live setting? I'm wondering, if I do this, will I have to have a tech on this the whole time, or is this pretty much set and leave it?
Nice video.... Broadcasting Livestream through a DAW is possible if you are running a post-produced stream. Is it possible to use it real-time live?
yes! Very possible
@@Churchfront If you are using the Waves real-time live but have songs in different keys, how does that work? Don't you need to select a key for it to work?
@@mikebuteyn2552 Yes you have to select the key, so if you have songs in different keys then you'll have to switch the key in between the songs
Do you put Vocal Tuner before EQ and Compression, in the plugin chain?
I think that’s the best practice
@@adamberanek9801 I agree
Why bethel sound amazing on live streaming,even if use Luke preset doesn’t sounds like,what do u think it is ???
Quality musicians using quality gear being mixed by skilled technicians. They have a lot of tools most churches don't, but they also have a %55M endowment most churches don't. I wanna know what happens when Luke goes on vacation.
Appreciate the content and I’ve learned a lot but for smaller churches you are missing the most expensive resource - volunteers. This seems to require a dedicated person just for audio recording and the average church struggles to find volunteers to run the sound board. I would appreciate some ideas for churches running an analog board and simple enough for one person to accomplish.
For clarification I should say normal size churches that are older and haven’t upgraded their equipment to go digital
Yea I know what you mean I’m a musician and also the sound guy I’ve put our whole digital system together and mixed everything for foh, stage and now I mixed my stream but sometimes on the stream some things could be a tad lower that I wish I was back there to catch but what I do is I go after service make the adjustment or during rehearsal but I hear you tho i try to hold little training sessions with some churches out here since I’m starting my sound company and I understand those that don’t have the volunteers or the right people that have the knowledge. Definitely the biggest struggle especially in this time
It’s ok for mid to smaller churches to say “we’ll just focus on a good FOH sound with our analog board.” If you don’t have the vols and resources for recording or live streaming, don’t do it. Don’t expect your one sound vol to run FOH and broadcast sound-he or she can’t. It’s ok to not do everything. Just do one thing well.
Wow that’s a lot of reverb. I definitley didn’t put enough reverb in.
I need some assistance can you assist me?
But isn't this for pre recorded services of would this work for live?
@@BrianSimmons jaja thanks, i figures that out already abd implemented it with my team
What reverb would you use on the x32 for voice?
Which app are using kindly
7:15
Can we mix the house and the live-streaming at same time ?
Not if you want both to sound any good. This is because you need to create two very different types of mix.
The FoH mix is effectively supplementing and reinforcing the in-house sound. So if you turned the FoH master output off, you'd still hear some acoustic sound coming from the stage (singers, guitars, drums etc) and there would still be the natural sound of the congregation singing.
On the streaming mix however, you have to create a mix entirely from scratch. If you want the people on the live stream to hear the congregation, then you have to install room mics that will be used only on the live stream.
Do you not need an iLok key for Steven Slate Drums?
license can be stored directly on the mac (and pc as well I'd assume)
@@adedejitoki1197 ooh need to learn how to do that? Could you link a page showing me?
@@finnrowden3341 www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/how-do-i-activate-my-product-licenses-and-transfer-them-to-my-ilok/
Sir, what's the audio software you're using??
Ableton Live
@@Churchfront what versión. Intro - standard or suite ?
For tip 1, why not gate the vocals?
I don’t know why he did it, but sometimes on small stages a gate doesn’t work effectively because it starts chopping the vocals. It depends on the situation. Gates don’t always work.
13:44 Wrong kick face??
Why did you change from protools to Ableton?
I like Ableton more lol. ProTools has some weird quirks and a clunk interface IMO
Churchfront I’ve heard that protools is really bad with live anything. What was your experience? Maybe a whole video? lol
@@Luis93EnriqueMusic not necessarily. Luke Hendrickson (Bethel) and Jesse O’Brien (Red Rocks) both use Pro Tools to live mix broadcast. Having a beefy, stable computer is pretty critical.
Gain, reverb, comp and EQ. those are your keys. You don't need to digitally replace instruments. As a band member, I would find that incredibly insulting. It'd be like using autotune for a singer.
more VERB
** cries in analog **
7:10 😆.. autotuning
U sound like chris from the mr beast channel😂
That's his younger brother
@@MixChecks haha
Drum replacement really irks me, I admit it. It's not rocket science to get a great mic'ed drum sound these days, especially with modern consoles and tools at our disposal in DAW's if you broadcast that way. Even a FOH mix sent straight to broadcast should sound pretty great if mixed well. Trigger kills the playing dynamic and ghost note feel, even when blended, and creates such a disconnect from the rest of the mix 9/10 times.Your (good) drummers will listen back and wonder where the other 50% of what they played went, which can be frustrating.
6:30 what a yikes.
Way too much reverb for me!