I have seen so many pictures of Vigny and others using one handed cane. I found it rather frustrating that the types of canes that generate power have weighted ends that do not lend themselves to one handed strikes. This video and your comments are so refreshing. It gives me great hope that this style is something I can do. Thank you, Tommy! Great presentation.
Thank you for your a rational demonstration of the utility to be gained from holding a walking stick with two hands. I have been learning Eskrima and erroneously thought that I could transfer my one-handed skills with a short stick to a “gutter fighting “ environment with either my walking cane or umbrella; I now see that I was thinking naïvely and, so, now will practise with the double-handed approach.
I used to practice Inayan eskrima and I only have good things to say about it. Now arthritis has made it impossible to continue. But I like the 2 handed style you use and will give it a try. I miss stick fighting and I really enjoy your content and look forward too more. Thanks Randy
Thanks fella. I love all stick fighting, But for me, I always think 'what'd advise my mom or sisters to do' and go from there. Two handed is always my go to! Have a play with it. Walloping people with sticks is always fun, in any way you want to do it :)
I’m with you brother. Arthritis is kicking my ass. Did various styles of Kali. , Silat. I agree about the two hand grip. You can flow to single hand and stay mostly in two hand for safety.
What you say makes a lot of sense. You rarely see bo of jo staff in Japanese martial arts using one hand and proabably for the same reasons as you explain; it works better that way in real fighting. Thanks for the video.
Such good advice. Most youtube cane-fighters teach cane as a kind of blunt sword but real fights happen at boxing range, not fencing range. As in boxing, power comes ground up, feet to hips to hands, engaging core. Think Tyson. The cane is a force multiplier via three weapons - two ends and middle. When you swing it or twirl it you lose access to at least two of those weapons, most likely all three. Best strategy is always to throw down your wallet and run for your life, but second best is to grip a cane with two hands and apply its weapons to the attacker's body, never their head. Both because heads are smaller targets and because a head-shot with a cane will cause the attacker injuries that will force you to spend a fortune on a lawyer. Literally thousands of times more money than you have in your wallet.
Okay, I have had enough. Usually I would not bother or teach or whatever. However, as I have gotten older I have become more grumpy. So, a cane, club, or other small blunt force weapon held in one or two hands, is not, for swinging until the opponent is already badly hurt or on the ground. The idea of closing and edge pounding is not for opening and can lend for the target to grab the weapon. They are jabbing weapons, yes, even the cane. A chain is a snap jabbing, first wrapping or swinging weapon. The goal is to either get the target to back away (lowering the possible harm) or to be struck hard and fast at distance to keep the target away from you. The idea of swinging at open, or double hand end battering is a bad idea. They grab the center and start punching you in the face and you will let go or take a severe beating or they will twist it away from you. Part of the reason I don't teach, is because people don't want to learn. I have told enough here for you to figure it out on your own. Hopefully this does not get deleted or spammed out like other comments. This is the second time I have left a comment on a similar such video. If you watch MMA, you will notice how both parties either distance feel each other or rush attack. With a blunt force weapon like a stick, club, billy, or cane you can end that distance feeling with a real quick hard weighted jab to the face, eye socket, nose, chin, mouth, throat, crotch or belly button. As always, if you get in a physical confrontation, you will probably get hurt to. Let this be a lesson to you, ruclips.net/video/6m-8l3V38Ps/видео.html
This is very similar to the way I was trained to use a riot baton back in my USAF Security Police days back in the early 1980s. Our batons were 36 inches long, one inch diameter hardwood. Basically the same size as most walking canes. Just without a hook on the end.
I just discovered a video on the history of Bartitsu and I am fascinated. I could see the similarities between Jujitsu and Wado Ryu Karate which I practiced when I was a much younger woman. I really enjoyed your video here, I am a big fan of Victoriana and Edwardiana thanks for sharing your knowledge with us
Excellent video, thank you. I have read the very few negative comments but I agree with the majority, which is that you offer very rational real-world advice. I have just started to study stick fighting (long and short) and have subscribed to your channel. I hope you also have some advice on use of an 18 inch short stick for practical self-defence.
Great video. You talked about the most important aspect of any self defence / fighting training, which is overlooked or deliberately ignored by the vast majority of “martial arts”. When it hits the fan and there is a real threat of being killed all fine motor skills are lost. The chemical cocktail of Fight or Flight overrides all but the most basic instinctive movements. Something else that needs to be talked about, but never is, is the law. There is a right to self defence, but it is complex and a lot of “martial arts techniques” will see you serving a long sentence.
I'm sure you will have heard of Glen Doyle's family style of Bata/Shillelagh fighting but if not definitely check it out. It's this exact sort of thing - two handed stick fighting with real world practicality. His old geocities website still exists and has the principles of his family's stick fighting philosophy passed down by his father and grandfather
For real combat w/a walking stick you want to use the Fairbairn WW2 method which is based upon Army bayonet fighting. Which is similar to riot police stick combat. The one handed stick/cane work is useless in combat. Filipino martial arts the stick/rattan is a training tool representing a bolo machete. The Arnis/Escrima stick isn't meant to be a self defense weapon. It's safer to train w/than a live blade but it represents the bolo machete.
The Fairbairn method is very good and we teach that too! Interestingly the Bartitsu cane method was one of the first aspects to be used in Krav Maga / Kapap
I am an Aikido/Jujitsu instructor. I like your lessons and information delivery. Bartitsu is a legitimate martial art and I am now very interested. I heard of it for the first time yesterday. I teach very similar things as more modern practical aspects of techniques from classical Japanese budo. I will be studying your videos. Thank you for invigorating me to get back in the "lab" with my students. Is there a formal Bartitsu fellowship internationally?
You make good points. Two handed is the way to go. That old one-handed "academic" stick-fencing style was drawn from 19th Century dueling and fencing. What works with a stab and thrust style blade does not translate well to impact weapons used in a percussive style. Using two hands is a better way to generate the necessary force and to insure weapon retention. Common-sense, really.
@@junichiroyamashita it’s worth pointing out though that Monstery advised only precision strikes against the wrists and side of the forehead - and he considered other one-handed blows fairly pointless. His method requires a lot of precision, and also requires you to create a lot of distance. So I’d say this technique translates more readily to a civilian non-expert self defence
As an experienced martial artist, you unconsciously employ “Torso Snap” in your strikes for significant extra power. The difference between a STRONG HITTER in baseball and POOR HITTER is frequently TORSO (and wrist) SNAP. Same goes for any striking sport. Arm punches are comparatively weak. Especially for small men and women. Basic physics. Mass X Velocity = Momentum. Boxers are taught-snap your waist (torso), snap your arm/shoulder, snap your wrist. Obviously, there’s a helluva lot more but…physics underlies everything.
I’m glade you said that I was wondering how people were still doing some of those forms just because they are old doesn’t mean they are useful. I trained in kali an arnis then JKD because I like the pressure an full force. I really didn’t see the usefulness of that stick fencing after getting smacked by a 70 year old Filipino you learn very quickly what works an what hurts. I also changed my mind on what stick to carry I have a oak one an I have a coldsteel street stick. I’m in my 50s with bad knees and I live in a bad city. So it was learn or get killed. The beauty to martial arts is it starts as a lesson turns into a family then a lifestyle.
I have and shared several walking sticks with friends and fellow martial artists, why???? Because it's not a weapon of intent, yes it's for self defense but you don't say that. Best item to carry and use quickly, gives you an edge
This is interesting, Colonel Monstery in his book by Ben Miller suggests that blows with the cane should be directed toward the arm and the face, much the same in singlestick, a figure eight or four strike pattern that can be trained under pressure to defend yourself from multiple foes. Would you say only two handed use works for self defence?
Sweet! Check out Master Gary Hernandez for some great advice on getting an actual combat cane, and for first class cane fighting technique videos here on You-Tube. I loved the video, and the hook design on your cane.
Very interesting. If up against a knife, would the alternative single hand hold be more dextrous and quicker in the hands of a fencer, and maintain safe distance better?
Well well well, if it isn't the most diverse build up to a cat video I have ever seen. Sure I was listening intently to your range of valuable points then Marmalade walks in the door and starts stretching and I must say I maybe wasn't concentrating on what you were saying so much but hey it's like the last 30 seconds lol. Either way the 719th like is from your heavenly brother Charles Andrew Oyedele Ososami on the 19th of October Holy Apocalypse day 1409 in the Revelation of God. Cheers Charlie Lord of the Apocalypse , Holy Warrior A38man of God. Peace
Great stuff Tommy, keep'em coming please!
2:10 - Control of the cane
3:55 - Hand position
4:00 - Leverage diagonal strike
4:45 - Backhanded leverage diagonal strike
4:50 - Horizontal leverage strike
4:55 - Upward leverage strike
5:25 - Wood strength
5:45 - Accuracy & skill
6:35 - Targets
7:15 - Thrusts
7:50 - Stick grapple
9:15 - Note on Fist loaded punches
10:05 - Conclusion
I have seen so many pictures of Vigny and others using one handed cane. I found it rather frustrating that the types of canes that generate power have weighted ends that do not lend themselves to one handed strikes. This video and your comments are so refreshing. It gives me great hope that this style is something I can do. Thank you, Tommy! Great presentation.
Thank you for your a rational demonstration of the utility to be gained from holding a walking stick with two hands. I have been learning Eskrima and erroneously thought that I could transfer my one-handed skills with a short stick to a “gutter fighting “ environment with either my walking cane or umbrella; I now see that I was thinking naïvely and, so, now will practise with the double-handed approach.
I used to practice Inayan eskrima and I only have good things to say about it. Now arthritis has made it impossible to continue. But I like the 2 handed style you use and will give it a try. I miss stick fighting and I really enjoy your content and look forward too more. Thanks Randy
Thanks fella. I love all stick fighting, But for me, I always think 'what'd advise my mom or sisters to do' and go from there. Two handed is always my go to! Have a play with it. Walloping people with sticks is always fun, in any way you want to do it :)
I’m with you brother. Arthritis is kicking my ass. Did various styles of Kali. , Silat. I agree about the two hand grip. You can flow to single hand and stay mostly in two hand for safety.
Make mine Irish shelleleigh sticking! That's my heart's desire to learn! You show that same kind of practicality!👍!
What you say makes a lot of sense. You rarely see bo of jo staff in Japanese martial arts using one hand and proabably for the same reasons as you explain; it works better that way in real fighting. Thanks for the video.
Cheers mate, when it comes to blunt weapons over a certain length I think it makes so much sense
Such good advice. Most youtube cane-fighters teach cane as a kind of blunt sword but real fights happen at boxing range, not fencing range. As in boxing, power comes ground up, feet to hips to hands, engaging core. Think Tyson. The cane is a force multiplier via three weapons - two ends and middle. When you swing it or twirl it you lose access to at least two of those weapons, most likely all three.
Best strategy is always to throw down your wallet and run for your life, but second best is to grip a cane with two hands and apply its weapons to the attacker's body, never their head. Both because heads are smaller targets and because a head-shot with a cane will cause the attacker injuries that will force you to spend a fortune on a lawyer. Literally thousands of times more money than you have in your wallet.
Okay, I have had enough. Usually I would not bother or teach or whatever. However, as I have gotten older I have become more grumpy. So, a cane, club, or other small blunt force weapon held in one or two hands, is not, for swinging until the opponent is already badly hurt or on the ground. The idea of closing and edge pounding is not for opening and can lend for the target to grab the weapon. They are jabbing weapons, yes, even the cane. A chain is a snap jabbing, first wrapping or swinging weapon. The goal is to either get the target to back away (lowering the possible harm) or to be struck hard and fast at distance to keep the target away from you. The idea of swinging at open, or double hand end battering is a bad idea. They grab the center and start punching you in the face and you will let go or take a severe beating or they will twist it away from you. Part of the reason I don't teach, is because people don't want to learn. I have told enough here for you to figure it out on your own. Hopefully this does not get deleted or spammed out like other comments. This is the second time I have left a comment on a similar such video. If you watch MMA, you will notice how both parties either distance feel each other or rush attack. With a blunt force weapon like a stick, club, billy, or cane you can end that distance feeling with a real quick hard weighted jab to the face, eye socket, nose, chin, mouth, throat, crotch or belly button. As always, if you get in a physical confrontation, you will probably get hurt to. Let this be a lesson to you, ruclips.net/video/6m-8l3V38Ps/видео.html
thanks - great info, not just this one, but your channel as a whole.
Thank you so much!
I gotta say I really enjoy your vids bartitsu fascinates me and you rep it well
Cheers mate thank you
This is very similar to the way I was trained to use a riot baton back in my USAF Security Police days back in the early 1980s. Our batons were 36 inches long, one inch diameter hardwood. Basically the same size as most walking canes. Just without a hook on the end.
Your two-handed techniques are superb. Very useful and practical for actual street defence. Well done, you.
Thanks mate!
I just discovered a video on the history of Bartitsu and I am fascinated. I could see the similarities between Jujitsu and Wado Ryu Karate which I practiced when I was a much younger woman. I really enjoyed your video here, I am a big fan of Victoriana and Edwardiana thanks for sharing your knowledge with us
You’re most welcome 😊❤️
Excellent video, thank you. I have read the very few negative comments but I agree with the majority, which is that you offer very rational real-world advice. I have just started to study stick fighting (long and short) and have subscribed to your channel. I hope you also have some advice on use of an 18 inch short stick for practical self-defence.
Great video.
You talked about the most important aspect of any self defence / fighting training, which is overlooked or deliberately ignored by the vast majority of “martial arts”.
When it hits the fan and there is a real threat of being killed all fine motor skills are lost. The chemical cocktail of Fight or Flight overrides all but the most basic instinctive movements.
Something else that needs to be talked about, but never is, is the law. There is a right to self defence, but it is complex and a lot of “martial arts techniques” will see you serving a long sentence.
This gentleman knows his stuff hands up chin down
When i was very much younger i learned foil, epee and sabre. Stick shares the same methodology. Nice Vid !
I'm sure you will have heard of Glen Doyle's family style of Bata/Shillelagh fighting but if not definitely check it out. It's this exact sort of thing - two handed stick fighting with real world practicality. His old geocities website still exists and has the principles of his family's stick fighting philosophy passed down by his father and grandfather
Very good, thank you very much
Thank you for this very practical and real world technique video! Well done👍
Your teaching style works really well for me. Just found your channel, I'm excited to watch your other videos. Thanks
Thanks fella, means a lot!
For real combat w/a walking stick you want to use the Fairbairn WW2 method which is based upon Army bayonet fighting. Which is similar to riot police stick combat. The one handed stick/cane work is useless in combat. Filipino martial arts the stick/rattan is a training tool representing a bolo machete. The Arnis/Escrima stick isn't meant to be a self defense weapon. It's safer to train w/than a live blade but it represents the bolo machete.
The Fairbairn method is very good and we teach that too! Interestingly the Bartitsu cane method was one of the first aspects to be used in Krav Maga / Kapap
@@TommyMooreww2combatives That was the Lang variation of the Vigny cane method, wasn't it?
I am an Aikido/Jujitsu instructor. I like your lessons and information delivery. Bartitsu is a legitimate martial art and I am now very interested. I heard of it for the first time yesterday. I teach very similar things as more modern practical aspects of techniques from classical Japanese budo. I will be studying your videos. Thank you for invigorating me to get back in the "lab" with my students. Is there a formal Bartitsu fellowship internationally?
Thank you for this information 😎
You make good points. Two handed is the way to go. That old one-handed "academic" stick-fencing style was drawn from 19th Century dueling and fencing. What works with a stab and thrust style blade does not translate well to impact weapons used in a percussive style. Using two hands is a better way to generate the necessary force and to insure weapon retention. Common-sense, really.
Still,this one handed style was still used by Monstery,who was focused on self defence and pretty realistic.
@@junichiroyamashita it’s worth pointing out though that Monstery advised only precision strikes against the wrists and side of the forehead - and he considered other one-handed blows fairly pointless.
His method requires a lot of precision, and also requires you to create a lot of distance.
So I’d say this technique translates more readily to a civilian non-expert self defence
Use both hands. Got it. I've got a new use for my old meniscus tear cane.....
As an experienced martial artist, you unconsciously employ “Torso Snap” in your strikes for significant extra power.
The difference between a STRONG HITTER in baseball and POOR HITTER is frequently TORSO (and wrist) SNAP.
Same goes for any striking sport. Arm punches are comparatively weak.
Especially for small men and women.
Basic physics.
Mass X Velocity = Momentum.
Boxers are taught-snap your waist (torso), snap your arm/shoulder, snap your wrist.
Obviously, there’s a helluva lot more but…physics underlies everything.
Great advice thank you
I’m glade you said that I was wondering how people were still doing some of those forms just because they are old doesn’t mean they are useful. I trained in kali an arnis then JKD because I like the pressure an full force. I really didn’t see the usefulness of that stick fencing after getting smacked by a 70 year old Filipino you learn very quickly what works an what hurts.
I also changed my mind on what stick to carry I have a oak one an I have a coldsteel street stick. I’m in my 50s with bad knees and I live in a bad city. So it was learn or get killed. The beauty to martial arts is it starts as a lesson turns into a family then a lifestyle.
Great video!!!
I have and shared several walking sticks with friends and fellow martial artists, why???? Because it's not a weapon of intent, yes it's for self defense but you don't say that. Best item to carry and use quickly, gives you an edge
As an elder I say if you go flailing about swinging with one hand. Like a fly swatter. They will get it from you and smash. 2 hands in a struggle.
Great stuff.
thank you
thanks you - Tommy
This is interesting, Colonel Monstery in his book by Ben Miller suggests that blows with the cane should be directed toward the arm and the face, much the same in singlestick, a figure eight or four strike pattern that can be trained under pressure to defend yourself from multiple foes. Would you say only two handed use works for self defence?
you are right
Sweet! Check out Master Gary Hernandez for some great advice on getting an actual combat cane, and for first class cane fighting technique videos here on You-Tube. I loved the video, and the hook design on your cane.
Aye a shilleligh(excuse my spelling) being made of dense heavy blackthorn, but i get it about training up from light flexible seasoned hazel
cannot find anywhere within 50 miles to learn. any suggestions
I would love lo learn this,
Nice 👍
Very interesting.
If up against a knife, would the alternative single hand hold be more dextrous and quicker in the hands of a fencer, and maintain safe distance better?
Excellent
Very good.
Nice stick btw..
What about a steel cane?
Thank you for this video von Germany
Two handed whack with any kind of decent oak or hickory stick is going to break what ever bone or joint it hits
👍
Ohh, that's Decard cain 😏😉
can't hear you
Turn the CC (Closed Captioning) on.
what kind of wood is the cane made of? some hard wood, steam bent
Well well well, if it isn't the most diverse build up to a cat video I have ever seen. Sure I was listening intently to your range of valuable points then Marmalade walks in the door and starts stretching and I must say I maybe wasn't concentrating on what you were saying so much but hey it's like the last 30 seconds lol. Either way the 719th like is from your heavenly brother Charles Andrew Oyedele Ososami on the 19th of October Holy Apocalypse day 1409 in the Revelation of God.
Cheers Charlie Lord of the Apocalypse , Holy Warrior A38man of God.
Peace
Yeah, basic Japanese hanbo jitsu.
Great advice thank you.