This could mean only one thing. There is not a single shot of Palpatine himself in the movie, that they can use in the poster. Not even as force ghost. They haven't even tried putting the makeup on the actor. Palpatine would be just "possessing" people and robots or be just audio recording.
@@delta2372 at least it didn't subvert shit cause lol and at the very least set up some interesting plotlines that a writer who knew his chit can use to make a sequel movie better
@@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821 I disagree, I was expecting them to turn the novels like heir to the empire into a movie but nope we got a new hope remake
@@delta2372I suppose that maybe the main origin on the differences in our opinion because I was not expecting them to adapt any of the EU novel's especially after Disney made them non-canon
From what I can tell, those are OG Imperial Star Destroyers and NOT First Order Star Destroyers (First Order Star Destroyers have a different bridge) so this is probably Palpatine's personal fleet. Palpatine is magic so his Star Destroyers don't need fuel.
The first half of the trailer was like walking through a cemetery. "Remember this good Star Wars movie? This movie died in 2017." "And this movie died in 2017." "And this movie died in 2017." "And here's the killer."
A Serial Killer, to be precise. "You may know the Man who killed Billy the Kid, the Man who killed JFK, the Man who broke the Batman, but it is unclear who really killed all those poor, poor Star Wars Movies. He was torn apart by the angry Victims before he even made it to Prison...."
Incredible how the sequel trilogy has no stakes whatsoever. Am I supposed to feel some kind of thrill from seeing Rey fight Kylo? If anything Kylo's the underdog in these movies. Poor sod got years of training from the strongest force users we know of, only to get humiliated by some random chick who knows how to use a stick. He'll need to get some serious Shounen Anime powerup to pose a threat to Rey. Also, Rey turning evil is 100% bait. I would've liked to see her give in to the Dark Side after Kylo's proposition in the throne room, only for Kylo to realize that he got more than he bargained for and that he's just unleashed an unstoppable monster in the galaxy, ending up with him becoming the protagonist for episode IX. But, you know, Round Face Johnson had to fuck it up, and can't trust JJ to make something interesting.
It pisses me off when I see ideas that are 100x better in the comment section on YT than guys who get paid millions to write this shit. Rian can't piss off his childish SJW audience so we can't have nice things. Nobody is buying queen feminist Mary Sue Rey joining the Nazi party lol. We gotta try to sneak in some of that subversion that those GoT guys were so great at.
What's funny is that Rain Johnson is so obsessed with subversion, that him having the main character becoming evil is such an obvious and crazy subversion to make. Everytime we see a main character be offered this kind of proposition they almost always choose to stay good. And Johnson didn't even take that route. Imagine he noted that as well and decided to subvert a subversion. He probably thought it was so clever and meta, so hilarious that it pissed off haters. In actuality, that's just not a subversion at all. It's just him following tropes. So either way, he missed out and it's funny. I'm not looking forward to his Star Wars trilogy.
The funny thing is that if you reverse the dynamic this is literally the set up for Dragon Ball, one of the most basic fictional hero depictions in Shonen or otherwise. Just replace Goku with Kylo and Rey with Frieza, the grunt most people consider a disgrace despite constantly pushing himself, trying to overthrow some big guy with the power to take over the galaxy who never worked a day in his life. Only unlike DB where they realized the point of an Underdog is to be weaker and then to get ahead, Rey just wins every confrontation she's had with Kylo. Kylo has no presence as a threat when he's been thrashed twice by the main character in the trilogy, which is why they had to dig up Palpatine after Snoke got overthrown so easily.
They won't do that. Rey is Kathleen K's "ray of light" for the feminists. That means they won't give her any stakes, faults, or serious temptation to the dark side.
It's amazing how much this bullshit sequel trilogy has validated the existence of the prequels. Because if nothing else, the prequels had some semblance of a coherent narrative running through it, and some great concepts to work with, even if the execution was piss poor. There's nothing even semi-intelligible about the sequel trilogy. No clear endgame, nonexistent world-building (if it doesn't involve breaking canon), and the old gang being completely desecrated in favor empty vessels that for reasons beyond me people consider "characters." To me, there's no difference between what we have and how I think a guy Kevin Smith would handle these movies if he were in charge: fling whatever random shit at the wall that sounds cool, but ultimately nothing sticks.
@@Ripcookiethief The difference is that the Prequels had some good ideas/world-building that could've made for great stories. The Sequels are just bland, corporate sludge devoid of creativity and vision. If I was an writer for the new canon EU, I'd much rather be working in the Prequel era than the Sequels since there's actually something to work with.
Like all the good folks in twitter are saying: "Kill the past. Unless you need it to sell movie tickets" I have this sneaky suspicion that JJ Abrams will go out of his way to delete everything Rian Johnson did. Where the hell is Rose Tico also? **THE BEST CHARACTER IN THE NEW TRILOGY NEXT TO HOLDO?** howaboutdatshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiet
Weekend Warrior He's either going to intentionally try to change everything or he's going to completely ignore it. If JJ manages to make the events of Episode 8 seem less out of nowhere (very hard thing to do) and it (somehow) makes 50% as much sense as The Last Jedi did, then this movie has succeeded in my eyes. It may not be flawless but I'm optimistic that this movie could be decent if they take the right risks with it.
Why do people keep quoting Kylo Ren as if his viewpoint represents the film itself? The whole point of the film is learning from the past. To take the villain's perspective would be like reading Paradise Lost and thinking the take away was "Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven."
@@albedo5455 JJ Abrams would look at good anime like Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood and One-Punch Man and he would be extremely jealous. Then his next thought would be, "What if we raise the stakes by having 100 evil Saitamas, or maybe 1,000 Homunculi?"
Funny enough, people liked that fight for the atmosphere, tension and emotion. The dialogue and choreography was meme-worthy. Their copy of the fight will inevitably have all of the bad parts of the ROTS fight, and none of the good.
1000 star destroyers show up on your doorstep. Everyone is panicking. "No no no, guys, it's okay. It's the First Order, remember? No matter how many star destroyers are present, they can only launch 4 TIE fighters at a time."
@@SocraticMayhem No, see, it's only 4 TIE fighters between ALL their star destroyers, not multiplied by the number of star destroyers present. Standard First Order operating procedure!
Omer Srour like a swarm of them? Cuz that would be horrifying. Like that scene in the 3rd matrix where swarms of sentinels flood into Zion. I was terrified watching that.
A new Super Weapon AND a fleet of 1000 Star Destroyers...they still are no match for Rey. I am sure she will just lift an asteroid field or planet or something.
What is like sad is that level of shit was done in The Force Unleashed, people literally said it was to much, but also agreed at least everyone was powered up.
@Christopher Marlowe Exactly! They even had their own Gary Stew but slowly make him a character. It's not hard, just apparently impossible for Disney writers which just makes me ask. Who did you fire to get this trash? Why didnt you just hire a good writer? Even just to double check the story.....
Not really. Watched Forced Fanservice stoned and turned it off after the Death Star 6.66 was revealed with no build up. Only got to the WW 1 bomber sequence in Last Jedi and gave up. The only thing getting blazed made me want to do was watch the original six movies again and leave Kathleenfilm's bottom of the barrel fanfiction rotting in the blazing dumpster fire of their own making
@Oof Oof I think she is going to be from some super secret clone army that use the emperor dna that is why she has so much bullshit force powers and why she dosen't have parents.
P.S. I also think the "1000 Star Destroyers" is going to be part of that vision, as well. There's no in-universe reason to have that many ships all in one place. But JJ included it as trailer-bait to get butts in theater seats.
The Eiszeitmann you know i would agree with you but without the prequels, there wouldn’t be the clone wars show, which i love just as much as the empire strikes back.
You can complain about this all you want (and you should), but I am personally excited for the EFAP where they cover a video, "Why Rey Turning Evil Makes Sense".
When I was in a hotel room, I rewatched TFA and in that first fight with Kylo, I quoted Palpy when Rey closed her eyes. "Good! Let the hate flow through you. It gives you focus. Makes you stronger." That's how I figured she was able to beat Kylo then. So I can at least see some evidence for it. The problem is these movies never commit to that bit. They never have Rey become a legitimately wrathful character so the Sequels have to persist in insisting she's a moral character when she doesn't demonstrate any moral superiority whatsoever.
She does display the same rashness Luke did in Empire so to have her struggle with being unable to save those closed to her and get angry like in ROTJ would make sense, however since this is supposed to be the final having a full fall and redemption in one movie would probably end up feeling rushed.
There was so much footage from the old movies in this trailer it's seriously starting to look like mike and rich's predictions were accurate. It's an endgame style time travel movie
@@He-who-wakes well it's not like the former members don't still do collaborations, namely Pat and Woolie(usually on Woolie's Channel), and Liam and Mat(on Mat's Channel), as well as each member having their own independent content(have you seen Pat's streams? he and his girlfriends are a hilarious double-Tsundere), and let's be fair, towards the end of the old channel playthroughs with both Mat and Pat weren't that good anymore, so the stated reason for the brake-up seems legit.
Red Letter Media were right. Remember Ewoks worshiped C3P0. But C3P0 is now possessed by Palpatine, so Ewoks are worshiping Palpatine. I bet the reshoots were to add this scene, as RLM idea was too good to not make it.
I wouldn't be surprised if evil Rey and Normal Rey are clones created by Palp. Think TLJ and the cave sequence... she only saw herself. I imagine they're trying to adapt The Force Unleased 2.
If you're right, JJ planned to rip off the force unleash 2 ...for a company that say "fuck it, the EU is legend" they pick A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT from it
OH GOOD LORD! What in the name of Admiral Nelson's asscrack is that Star Destroyer formation? That might be the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. LET ME COUNT THE WAYS! Firstly, there's the ungodly number of the things. Not only does this blow all stakes out of proportion, but that's a ludicrous amount of ships to have in one place at one time. The Empire's fleet at Endor was a fraction of that size, and they were going balls-to-the-wall in a no-holds-barred fight. Even at its height, I doubt the Empire could've mustered that kind of fleet without leaving large swaths of its space undefended. What even are resources in Star Wars anymore? The First Order just has infinite! And don't get me started on the fucking formation, holy shit. They're in a square block in _fucking spaceships._ There's no advantage whatsoever to doing this. With infantry, it was a way of massing troops in an orderly manner, making them easy to organize and give orders to. It's been outdated since the inventions of radios and automatic weapons, and nowadays it's only used for non-combat functions. Using it with ships (or any vehicles for that matter) is retarded. Every one of those ships communicates with other ships exclusively via space-radio. You literally cannot give vocal orders from one ship to another, and holding a formation like that just makes it needlessly easy for them to crash into each other. Even if this is at a public function like a parade, a vee formation would simply look far more impressive. There is no conceivable reason why you would pull a formation like this. Oh, and its tactical value? Nil. Nada. Zilch. A good naval formation is guided by one rule: get as many guns in functional firing positions as possible. Now, the form this takes varies based on the types of ships involved and the situation they're in, but a ship which cannot fire is a ship that is prohibited from engaging and might as well just not be there. There's a lot of complexity to this, obviously (naval warfare is tremendously more complicated than what I can explain), but classic, direct-fire warships (WWI battleships, for instance) have the best firepower at its broadsides, so a single-file line could be considered optimal with them. Imperial and First Order Star Destroyers have a spearhead design, though, with most of the armor and firepower pointing towards their 12 o'clock, and aren't as effective from the sides or especially the rear. Therefore, you'd want a formation that maximizes forward coverage while having strong coverage against flanking, and as such, I think a vee formation would, once again, be the better choice. But then we get to the real elephant in the room: they're flying level with each other. W.H.Y. There's no purpose to it. There's no advantage to holding level with one another. All it does is prevent ships in the further ranks from firing on things in front of them. There's nothing to lose by arranging these ships in superfiring positions where each rank flies elevated over the one in front of it so as to have a clean shot at targets directly in front of them instead of having to shoot through friendlies or, more likely, hold fire. In short, literally any other formation would make more sense than what they're doing. They could have their ships arranged so that their fleet makes the outline of a rubber ducky and it'd still have more tactical value than this.
Great post. I would argue that a sphere formation like the one Starfleet ships had when shooting at the Borg Sphere at the end of Voyager Endgame would be better as space is in three dimensions and a crane wing formation (is that what you mean by V formation?)
@@dragonknightleader1 From what I can find of that scene on RUclips, I think I see what you're talking about with the sphere formation. It's pretty effective, but the formation itself is directional and optimized more for ambushes. With all ships facing inwards towards the center, that enables every ship in the formation to fire on a given target, but it seems like it might be vulnerable to flanking. Granted, Federation ships also tend to have 360-degree firing arcs for their main weapons and they turn relatively quickly, whereas ships in Star Wars are generally shown to be more sluggish. What I described was actually a flying formation, though I believe it's technically called a "vic" or "chevron" formation with planes. It's the v-shaped formation that birds fly in when migrating. Judging by the name and the few pictures I've been able to find, a Crane Wing sounds like the same thing. Birds, I believe, choose it for aerodynamic purposes, but aircraft utilized it for its defensive qualities and its good firepower concentration. Star Destroyers have the majority of their big guns mounted topside on either cheek of their spearhead-shaped hull. This means they have their maximum firepower against targets dead ahead, half-firepower against targets on their broadside, and very limited firepower to their rear. Vic formations are best for maximizing firepower, both offensively and defensively as they allow fire to be easily concentrated. Fighters wings in this formation can easily focus-fire on targets in front of their V, meanwhile bombers benefit from interlocking fire from their defensive guns, effectively making the inside of the V a killzone and strongly defending the rear of the formation (which would otherwise be the most effective position to attack from). This seems like both a great way to make use of the Star Destroyers' biggest strength (forward firepower/armor) while helping to cover their biggest weakness (rearward firepower). I'm going to apologize if I'm retreading ground I've already spoken about, but this is the sort of thing I'd want a visual aid for. Hang on... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ There we go, two different examples at different angles (assuming this comes-out like it's supposed to when I post it). I don't know why I didn't think to do that sooner. I should probably re-write this post making use of that instead of just words, but it's 2 a.m. and I'm far too tired for that. Not sure whether it'd be better to have a narrow formation or a wide one, though I reckon the narrow one would be more concentrated while the wider one would have better coverage. Now, my suggestion had this in multiple ranks... sorta... Traditionally a rank would be a horizontal line across, but instead I'm using it to refer to layers of the V. In other words, an extra rank would be another V inside of the first one, continuing on backwards per each rank. Critically, though, ships in each additional rank would be sitting above the ships in the rank in front of them so that they can fire over them without any trouble. This would essentially form a vertical echelon, though I suppose you could also have this mirrored beneath the leading ranks to create a sort of pyramid-shape, presumably with inferior ships flying inverted relative to the rest of the fleet so as to be able to fight better against something trying to go underneath the formation. Examples: (side view showing only the leading ship in each rank, inverted ships noted with [i]) Vertical Echelon: < < < < Pyramid: < < < <
They're most likely stores there. this is no battle formation and they look like they aren't even powered up. If anything they're hidden and not active, let alone combat ready
@@LipziG3R but that's not a stealth formation, either. Massing ships like that is just making detection easier on all fronts, plus the close proximity could make it difficult for them to engage emergency maneuvers if they were discovered. It'd be really hard to scramble from that, I think. Unless you're in a nebula or something, the best formation for stealth would be splitting the force into organized pods, placing them among debris or gas clouds to hide them, and positioned such that, when the ambush was triggered, they could activate and engage a pincer on enemy forces. Even if they're just parking the ships to have a meeting on a nearby planet or station, a loose cluster would be far more effective in the event something happened, which is entirely likely when you're at war.
@@PowerfulSkeleton Oh, Digi would vehemently disagree. I remember Mauler saying he might cover him, and I would LOVE to be on that EFAP as a resident Digibro historian and dumb argument translator.
@@Syy I'd love to see someone use their $15 reward to get Digi to comment on the stretch of the TLJ review where Mauler outlines his objectivity stance.
I'm pretty sure the star destroyers scene is going to be a rip off of the katana fleet from the Thrawn trilogy. Somehow the resistance will stumble on hundreds of star destroyers that happen to be empty and they'll commandeer them somehow.lol
The Star Destroyers fleet looked so fucking bad lmfao They look like they've been photoshopped in the same place. Also, why are Imperial I instead of Imperial II ????
"End of the Disney Fan-Fic" is 100% accurate. Oh and don't worry about the star destroyers, we can just hyperspace ram to take them all out like dominoes.
Yeah, the prequels had writing problems, too. The moment he's told about the existence of a Clone army, Mace asks Oni-wan, "do you think these cloners could be behind the assassination attempt on Amidala?" And I'm thinking, "Uhhh, Mace? CLONE ARMY, dude! New priorities, ok?"
@@KneelB4Bacon To be fair, the issues of the army and the assassination attempts are directly connected. He concluded, correctly, that whoever was behind the clones also wanted to assassinate Padme to give Palpatine permission to actually form an army. And Obiwan went to Kamino originally to investigate its links to the assassin. What I find stupid is that they seem to forget about this link the moment they find out about the separatists and stop worrying about it for the entire war until it's too late and they all die.
This whole trailer reminds me of the joke bit at the begging of Red Letter Media's Half in the Bag of Rogue One. "STAR Destroyers, C3PO, CLIPS FROM THE OLD MOVIES, PREQUELS, ORIGINALS, MORE STAR DESTROYERS, MEMBER STAR WARS, LIGHT SABERS, FIGHTS, CHARACTER YOU KNOW, DOUBLE BLADE LIGHTSABER"
JJ when making TFA: eff the prequels amirite? JJ: What do you mean the prequel trilogy has a fanbase that appreciates the movies, flaws and all, along with tv shows, EU, video games, and toys?! JJ: Shoot uhhhh...HEY WHO REMEMBERS THE PREQUELS?!
It's amazing how much this bullshit sequel trilogy has validated the existence of the prequels. Because if nothing else, the prequels had some semblance of a coherent narrative running through it, and some great concepts to work with, even if the execution was piss poor. There's nothing even semi-intelligible about the sequel trilogy. No clear endgame, nonexistent world-building (if it doesn't involve breaking canon), and the old gang being completely desecrated in favor empty vessels that for reasons beyond me people consider "characters." To me, there's no difference between what we have and how I think a guy Kevin Smith would handle these movies if he were in charge: fling whatever random shit at the wall that sounds cool, but ultimately nothing sticks.
@@RogueFox2185 Maybe he's the shill for the leaders of the toxic brood Disney paid to try and destroy us with 1 line arguments like how if you go on Doomcok's videos you'll see a few known paid shills
I mean this is genuinely the most interested I’ve been in Star Wars in ages. I just want Rey pulling star destroyers from space and demolishing both sides somehow on her own
In the recommendations for this video, I can rent/buy Empire Strikes Back for $19.99 or Rogue One for $2.99. I think that about sums up how much the "sections" of the franchise mean to the fans of the franchise.
@@darkmatter1721does that make Empire Strikes Back a bad movie, because you know, that Episode 6 exists, so there's a chance, of many characters from this movie to survive?
For those who are unaware the Empire had about 25000 destroyers at it's high plus galaxy conquering fleets and super weapons hidden away at it's height. Those are what? A thousand maybe hidden in a nebular?
NoFunPolice ...no...logically Ima need a source for this since the Old Republic has their dicks kicked in by design from the Seppies sooooo source or save it
I've got three words for this: "Oh, bloody hell." MauLer's reaction 9:15 was gold. Yeah, cannot wait to see the critical analysis of these BS battle tactics. Space is 2D right? The flashes of light are so JJ, like Ep 7 and the pre-stormtrooper carnage rage party. Rey being great, Rey being perfect, but now she's evil? Yeah, no. I don't see why I should care. I cannot wait to hear Shad's take-down of the fight scenes, from one HEMA student to another.
this really pisses me off, why do they all have space fights like its a chessboard? you could do so much with all 3 dimensions, remember the begining of episode 3! Heck remember battle of endor!
You know the sad part about this all is? The Galaxy far far away feels like an area the size of a town. Their are no unique cultures, no real depth or expanse. It feels like there is just red versus blue and nothing else. And yet look at Battletech/Mechwarrior, a story line set in a space of just 500 light years and yet it feels gargantuan and lived in. Each of the great houses has a unique culture, language, mech preferences, styles of fighting, currency, ethnicity, history and a reason why they hate the other houses. There is grey morality and realistic motivation for every houses actions beyond “muahahahahahaha”. Fuck even ComStar (literally space USSR) has a grounded motivation for murdering people who try to advance technology too far or rediscover lostech (prevent another massive war that killed trillions and destroyed hundreds of worlds). From the fall of the Star League, to the four succession wars that all but reduced the galaxy to dark age mentality with 31st century tech, to the invasion by the Clans and their radically adavanced technology, to the houses having to put aside their differences to battle the invaders to even ComStar having to use its hidden Star League tech and all of their agenda to battle the clans in an all or nothing battle just to buy time and to cripple the clan war machine long enough to mount a counter attack. It all felt like there was weight to things. You felt real fear when the clans arrived as nothing seemed to hurt their troopers save swarming them. Like four Sherman tanks attacking a German tiger tank. You just don’t feel that in Star Wars or game of thrones. There isn’t that weight or that gravity of so much being lost in a war that spans kingdoms. There is never that disheartening feeling of fighting a losing war because the protagonist just doesn’t lose. So why should we care? Good work as always. Now where is that Finnish to Game of thrones Mauler?
The point about the larger universe hinted at in the previous 6 films when compared to the sequel trilogy is one I haven't heard many talk about, but has alway annoyed me. To me the sequel trilogy feels like it takes place in some far corner of the universe with little relation to anything that has happened prior, aside from having some of the same characters and elements, like the Force and the Jedi and lightsabers, etc. In my view most of TLJ had the story of a filler TV episode, and it seemed even more so because it happened right after TFA, covered so little, and little change happened from the opening stakes to the end stakes. The movie started with the Resistance on the run from the First Order and then ended with them on the run, except now Luke and Snoke are dead. Sure, Empire started and ended similarly, but we had important character revelations at the end of that film, character development and actual Jedi training, and Han was taken prisoner, setting up the rescue in Return of the Jedi. Literally what is there to go on for this upcoming movie? The Resistance fights the First Order, but ... it's more exciting? There are precious few setups to pay off. The first 6 films usually covered a wide time period both in each film and between each film, and dealt with grand designs and schemes that had galactic consequences, all connected through the main characters and Anakin. Now it seems the films are mostly following random new characters on their unrelated day-to-day adventures, with the occasional 'remember X element from the first 6 films?', all framed in a cosy 'Rebels vs Empire but we changed the names' theme with little setup or sense. How does it relate to anything at large? What is the state of the galaxy? It's quite bizarre. The world building is just atrocious.
It certainly doesn’t help that the sequel universe is literally small. The characters watched the death beam streak across the sky and blow up an entire solar system that was likely tens if not hundreds of light years away like it was a bunch of jets being shot by missiles at a modestly high altitude. As Joel Hodgeson once said, “They just didn’t care.”
I don't know if they say how long it's been since TLJ but damn man they went from a rogue faction a remnant of nearly nothing to this giant super power. Ironic.
@@mortenlunddk Because it turns out the New Republic was so incompetent that everyone wanted to join the First Order. As far as random Star Wars citizen is concerned, the Resistance are a bunch of terrorists supporting a completely illegitimate government. The Sequels have made the First Order the secret good guys.
@@dragonknightleader1 but they have not showed this at all. They haven't showed that the Republic is incompetent they were blown up and they didn't destroy the first order but is that incompetent? We didn't kill all who served the nazis or were nazis. But besides this they have not shown that people are in supoort of the first order, also besides this the first order was in power for maybe a day in TLJ you i doubt there's much of an argument to be made there. But what we can assume is what the movie tell us and in the crawl they are refered to as the universe bad guys and a remnant of the empire.
Well that lightsaber has actually been around since the Clone Wars and Rebels. So really, Jar Jar Abrams isn't "subverting expectations" so much as he's just doing the same old derivative crap.
@@arnavbhattacharjee2035 If I remember, they were used by Pong Krell and the Temple Guards, now Pong Krell is an alien who uses double bladed lightsabers and probably had big hands so it makes a little sense and the Temple Guards second blade gets turned on when they flip the hilt so no two blades on one side.
The poster screams laziness. The trilogy, the prequels, even 7 and 8 has some artistic flare. But this, this looks like some you would see in a bargain bin with a 5$ sign on it.
My reaction to the Rey with the flip saber at the end was, What? Why? This is like one movie too late for this development. So, speculation says either clone, possession by Palpatine or vision.
@@darthcorbi I kind of realized it then, but like a fool forced myself to give Disney a chance. Even took me a while to admit that TFA in fact wasn't "pretty good, I guess".
No, Mauler. Don't you get it? Those queuing Star Destroyers are basically ammunition for each Hyperspace-Ram. That's why they're so many - it's their new "superweapon".
You know what makes a terrifying war machine scarier on its second appearance? An attempt to destroy it in the same way it was destroyed the first time that utterly fails. Producing a thousand copies of it does not leave the same effect. Usually it leaves the exact opposite effect.
It looks like they had the trailer house digitally add Ray's face to another character so it would create a mystery to attract people to the theater. JJ does love his mystery boxes.
''What are stories but mistery boxes?'' I don't know... set up and pay off? But Jar Jar wouldn't know about any of that, judging by his entire catalog of disappointment.
I thought she looked really weird there too. Her neck is too long, her head is too small, looks like she is bald or something and the lighting seems off.
@@BaldorfBreakdowns the lighting "being off" doesn't matter, since the light is coming from the lightsaber and thus is a digital effect like the bade that's casting it. but in general yeah... this final teaser shot is obviously just bait, part of me wouldn't even be surprised if this shot isn't even in the movie at all. but on the idea that it's Rey's face plastered over another character.... Oh god, please let this be the Emperor with the stupid light-nunchuck-saber; let him the the stupidest most insane crap in the movie, he's going to be the only "fun" part anyway.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC So if there is a digital light source the lighting doesn't matter? Odd that Lightsabers have had realistic lighting in all the other movies then... Should animated movies just choose random directions and surfaces to be shadowed because it's all digital?
The final battle will be Ackbar killing the Emperor and Kyle Ben with a trap that subverts expectations. And John Williams will be playing: “Ooooceaan man”
Oh thee, of little faith, there is no depth to Kennedy and JJ's depravity. We don't hate Star Wars, we hate Kennedy. My all the Gods, and the ancestors, Jar Jar Abrams really took Ruin's advice, just kill the past. That trailer made me physically ill
@@theawkwardskeleton6608 not to he overly pedantic, but don't you need a story to retcon? Sorry for the snark, but you'll have to inform me, I ain't seeing this crap
Emperor, Vader (heard his breathing), A-Wing, B-Wing, Y-Wing, Lando, Leia... This is such a tiny universe. Disney can't come up w/ anything new new that anyone likes.
all those rebel designs should be a decade (due to upgrades) to 30 years obsolete, even in the relative peace of the interwar period of the 20s early 30s ww1 planes quickly became obsolete, and the planes that made them obsolete qucikly became obsolete and so on.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 You're not wrong but I kinda buy into the theory that the Star Wars Universe reached the apex of technology a LONG time ago. There simply isn't new tech to be had just minor tweaks and variations. Real world reason, shameless play to fan-service and nostalgia from people w/ little talent of their own. Also, I really don't give a rat's ass about Star Wars anymore.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The ST X-Wings are based on earlier Ralph McQuarrie concept art. Note the split engine pods. That begs the question of why they aren't using the original McQuarrie Y-Wings with the big glass bubble turrets.
@@kevinanderson2249 Even when technology peaked in Star Wars, they still had lots of different designs because they have different engineering companies. Sienar Fleet System (TIE fighter makers) will never make a ship that looks like the Incom X-wing. Corellia isn't going to make Mon Calamari cruisers. Even the X-wing was an improved model of the Z-95 Headhunter, so as far as Star Wars is concerned, they were still innovating even though they can't reinvent the flotation device.
Kevin Anderson it’s literally why they shouldn’t have non-canonized the EU. They could’ve adapted films of some of those. Easy money really. The issue with Disney is that they want several properties like the MCU with its own endgame and stuff. It doesn’t matter if it’s not supposed to be like the MCU, or feel like it. They just need MORE MCU! This is true for most companies really. Endgame was a highly regarded success and everyone wants to follow that trend, the money it made was something everyone wants. The issue is nobody makes series like that yet their doing culminations with nothing to stand on. I’m so glad DC decided to quit doing that after Justice League. Their version of Endgame wouldve been such a shit show.
@@beardedbjorn5520 exactly, granted I was disappointed that luke wasn't the one to put palps down permanently but other than that I enjoyed dark empire
@@TheSSBBfan666 Maul's lightsaber is a quarterstaff, which is a basic martial arts weapon. Switchblade lightsaber, OTOH, is a flimsier version of a quarterstaff. I might have accepted it if the folded up version is the safety and it only ignites when it's unfolded, but since we see it light up when folded, it only takes the hinge to unlock to turn it into an unstable weapon.
@@TheSSBBfan666 The problem is that the double bladed lightsaber acts as effectively a quarterstaff or can even be used effectively as a spear, this...thing Rey is wielding looks like a fucking nun-chuck, which would make it worse than a medieval flail, an absolute garbage weapon nobody actually used
Alex They’ve had equivalent lightsabers in the cartoons and they never activate until they unfold. Disney can’t even look at their own tv shows to see how a logical version of the weapon would work
Theyre going with the "Dark Empire" storyline here from the old Dark Horse comics with Palpatines secrete fleet of Stardestroyers (theyre all Imperator I type Stardestroyers btw) ... welp the double bladed lightsaber that folds up has been around since S4 of the Clone Wars Series. Its the standart weapon of Jedi Temple Guards (but with shorter blades and in yellow) Theyre realy running out of Ideas here.
@@silvergrove8517 Third party isn't taken into account...If it's cannon it is. Check out the Jedi Temple guards from Rebels. They use these types of sabers.
I only liked the original trilogy at first when I watched it to prep for TFA (TFA wasn’t worth my first-timer marathon), but I feel like I’m going to appreciate them more with time. All three are timeless stories as opposed to these lazy, shallow, and manipulative corporate products they call films.
It gets worse, if these spoilers are true: boundingintocomics.com/2019/08/16/alleged-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-leaks-reveal-how-emperor-palpatine-returns/
You know it's a great Trailer when half its footage is from other movies.
At first I thought that it was a fake trailer because of that.
Those clips were from a more... civilized time before the mouse rose to power.
@@RogueFox2185 Before the dark times....
King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England wiser words have never been spoken my lord.
@@gojira7824 I hope
Fun fact, they used the face of a palpatine toy for the Rise of Skywalker poster.
I'm not even surprised or disappointed by that. At this point, I'm ambivalent.
This could mean only one thing. There is not a single shot of Palpatine himself in the movie, that they can use in the poster. Not even as force ghost. They haven't even tried putting the makeup on the actor.
Palpatine would be just "possessing" people and robots or be just audio recording.
@@ИванСнежков-з9й It'll be so embarrassing if Palpatine is just Matt Smith doing an impression.
It looks like it came straight out of the clone wars cg show.
Much like how they used the Yoda toy for his scene in TLJ.
Palpatine survived the death star's destruction by climbing in a 50's refrigerator.
bahaha i would love to see that clip, someone make this!
Lmao, Palpatine is all mangled and shit when he's crawling into the refrigerator, then gets cryo-frozen for 30 years and heals with the force.
He has to be "taken down properly" by Rey are super Mary sue because apparently Darth Vader didn't do it properly because he is a man
Refrigerator?! That costs too much! Everyone knows you can survive a fall in an inflatable raft.
Ironic.
If Palps is back then Vader's sacrifice was for nothing. Thanks Disney!
And Luke accomplished..... nothing.
And Han accomplished.... nothing.
And Leia accomplished.... nothing.
Palps been back for long though.
The one who actually killed him was Han oddly enough.
@@djohnson2536
Maybe it's the same as the first time, but rather than his son now the nephew has to do the job.
@Agent Carter - Arguably, all six of George's films were for nothing.
@@ARCtrooperblueleader Rome wasn't built in a day, but it certainly burned in one. Thanks Disney
“You know...f*** it!”
- JJ Abrams
He wasn’t kidding.
After the shit rian did... I don't blame him for going fuck it...
@@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821 not like force awakens was any good to begin with
@@delta2372 at least it didn't subvert shit cause lol and at the very least set up some interesting plotlines that a writer who knew his chit can use to make a sequel movie better
@@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821 I disagree, I was expecting them to turn the novels like heir to the empire into a movie but nope we got a new hope remake
@@delta2372I suppose that maybe the main origin on the differences in our opinion because I was not expecting them to adapt any of the EU novel's especially after Disney made them non-canon
Why did no one ask the real question......where did the First Order get the fuel for all those star destroyers?
fuel is only a problem when the writers want it to be.
From the script
From what I can tell, those are OG Imperial Star Destroyers and NOT First Order Star Destroyers (First Order Star Destroyers have a different bridge) so this is probably Palpatine's personal fleet. Palpatine is magic so his Star Destroyers don't need fuel.
Also, they’re imperial class star destroyers. You can see the original bridge design atop the ships
Nah they refine raw Korellian hyperfuel
The first half of the trailer was like walking through a cemetery.
"Remember this good Star Wars movie? This movie died in 2017."
"And this movie died in 2017."
"And this movie died in 2017."
"And here's the killer."
@BringBackTheGood DaysOfRUclips
No, it's like that old clip of the kid from The Simpsons - "STOP IT! HES ALREADY DEAD!"
BringBackTheGood DaysOfRUclips It was like an assassin reading a hit list.
You mean died in 2015
2015***
A Serial Killer, to be precise.
"You may know the Man who killed Billy the Kid, the Man who killed JFK, the Man who broke the Batman, but it is unclear who really killed all those poor, poor Star Wars Movies.
He was torn apart by the angry Victims before he even made it to Prison...."
All I felt when I saw the older movies being played before the actual trailer was; "How DARE you stand where they stood!?"
"Do you like my new lightsaber? I got it at the maul."
Terrible
Get out
lolmauler2king
AYOOO!!!
My man.
Incredible how the sequel trilogy has no stakes whatsoever.
Am I supposed to feel some kind of thrill from seeing Rey fight Kylo? If anything Kylo's the underdog in these movies. Poor sod got years of training from the strongest force users we know of, only to get humiliated by some random chick who knows how to use a stick. He'll need to get some serious Shounen Anime powerup to pose a threat to Rey.
Also, Rey turning evil is 100% bait.
I would've liked to see her give in to the Dark Side after Kylo's proposition in the throne room, only for Kylo to realize that he got more than he bargained for and that he's just unleashed an unstoppable monster in the galaxy, ending up with him becoming the protagonist for episode IX. But, you know, Round Face Johnson had to fuck it up, and can't trust JJ to make something interesting.
It pisses me off when I see ideas that are 100x better in the comment section on YT than guys who get paid millions to write this shit. Rian can't piss off his childish SJW audience so we can't have nice things. Nobody is buying queen feminist Mary Sue Rey joining the Nazi party lol. We gotta try to sneak in some of that subversion that those GoT guys were so great at.
What's funny is that Rain Johnson is so obsessed with subversion, that him having the main character becoming evil is such an obvious and crazy subversion to make. Everytime we see a main character be offered this kind of proposition they almost always choose to stay good. And Johnson didn't even take that route.
Imagine he noted that as well and decided to subvert a subversion. He probably thought it was so clever and meta, so hilarious that it pissed off haters. In actuality, that's just not a subversion at all. It's just him following tropes. So either way, he missed out and it's funny.
I'm not looking forward to his Star Wars trilogy.
The funny thing is that if you reverse the dynamic this is literally the set up for Dragon Ball, one of the most basic fictional hero depictions in Shonen or otherwise. Just replace Goku with Kylo and Rey with Frieza, the grunt most people consider a disgrace despite constantly pushing himself, trying to overthrow some big guy with the power to take over the galaxy who never worked a day in his life.
Only unlike DB where they realized the point of an Underdog is to be weaker and then to get ahead, Rey just wins every confrontation she's had with Kylo. Kylo has no presence as a threat when he's been thrashed twice by the main character in the trilogy, which is why they had to dig up Palpatine after Snoke got overthrown so easily.
They won't do that. Rey is Kathleen K's "ray of light" for the feminists. That means they won't give her any stakes, faults, or serious temptation to the dark side.
It's amazing how much this bullshit sequel trilogy has validated the existence of the prequels.
Because if nothing else, the prequels had some semblance of a coherent narrative running through it, and some great concepts to work with, even if the execution was piss poor.
There's nothing even semi-intelligible about the sequel trilogy. No clear endgame, nonexistent world-building (if it doesn't involve breaking canon), and the old gang being completely desecrated in favor empty vessels that for reasons beyond me people consider "characters."
To me, there's no difference between what we have and how I think a guy Kevin Smith would handle these movies if he were in charge: fling whatever random shit at the wall that sounds cool, but ultimately nothing sticks.
Nostalgia isn’t gonna work a second time, if anything it’s encouraged most people to watch the original six films over this nostalgia fest.
The middle three films only. The prequels are still 100% trash.
@@Ripcookiethief The difference is that the Prequels had some good ideas/world-building that could've made for great stories. The Sequels are just bland, corporate sludge devoid of creativity and vision. If I was an writer for the new canon EU, I'd much rather be working in the Prequel era than the Sequels since there's actually something to work with.
@@SolarDragon007 they COULD HAVE been interesting. But nobody reigned in George Lucas. So they turned out really poorly.
@@Ripcookiethief (Gasp!) The middle!
Nostalgia works for special occasions, but how can we miss you if you don't go the fuck away?
Like all the good folks in twitter are saying:
"Kill the past. Unless you need it to sell movie tickets"
I have this sneaky suspicion that JJ Abrams will go out of his way to delete everything Rian Johnson did.
Where the hell is Rose Tico also? **THE BEST CHARACTER IN THE NEW TRILOGY NEXT TO HOLDO?**
howaboutdatshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiet
In proper Star Trek tradition, I'd kill Rose Tico off with an exploding console.
But Token Black guy got a BLACK GF now, you want to go back to Asian, a more priveledged one? YOU RACIST!
Weekend Warrior He's either going to intentionally try to change everything or he's going to completely ignore it.
If JJ manages to make the events of Episode 8 seem less out of nowhere (very hard thing to do) and it (somehow) makes 50% as much sense as The Last Jedi did, then this movie has succeeded in my eyes.
It may not be flawless but I'm optimistic that this movie could be decent if they take the right risks with it.
Well, JJ already has shown Kylo repairing his helmet in the first trailer...
Annoyance: two film plots in one film, I hope it works as well as the double transporter in Star Trek 2009.
Calculation: Unlikely, in meatbag terms
Ep 8: "Kill the past..."
Ep 9: "Hey, remember THIS?!"
8: "Yeah! Fuck Star Wars! We're the new Star Wars now!"
9: "Wait! Come back. We were just joking! Please buy tickets and merch!"
The bad guy said it......
Don't forget; Ep 8 did both.
Hey, you were the first guy to superchat on Efap 50, no?
Why do people keep quoting Kylo Ren as if his viewpoint represents the film itself? The whole point of the film is learning from the past. To take the villain's perspective would be like reading Paradise Lost and thinking the take away was "Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven."
10:03 Mauler: _"Seriously, JJ. You are unapologetically obsessed with . . . his idea of 'raising the stakes' is ALWAYS to 'x10' "_
lol
It's the anime syndrome
@@albedo5455 At least when DBZ does it, it knows its ridiculous when doing it. I can't say the same with JJ's movies.
🥩🥛
@@albedo5455 JJ Abrams would look at good anime like Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood and One-Punch Man and he would be extremely jealous. Then his next thought would be, "What if we raise the stakes by having 100 evil Saitamas, or maybe 1,000 Homunculi?"
Catzilla he has mastered the kaioken
Palpatine was hidden inside c3po the whole time during the sequel trilogy. That's why he had red eyes.
That’s so stupid, you’re probably right.
Lord help me.
I want this.
It'll be like the Harry Potter horcruxes.
This explains the red hand and the red leg in the previous two movies.
They were manifestation of Palpatine taking over.
Does this mean we might get C3PO doing the unlimited power line as he tries to lightning Rey
“You couldn’t live with your own failures, and where did it lead you? Back to me.”
-Emperor Sheev Palpatine
Luke, Anakin and Kenobi activate their ghost lightsabers*
Luke: "Let's kill him properly this time."
A perfect metaphor for how this film was made.
AnIrishMusician then Captain Ma-Rey flies through the Death Star and fights toe-to-toe with Palpatine
Like, he could totally sell bodyspray
Disney exec: "Fans seem to like the Obi Wan vs Anakin fight"
Kathleen Kennedy: "Then do it again but replace the lava with water"
And make it the third of the duals between the two of them. And a certain whamen pulls off the hat trick.
Nothing screams danger like molten ice.
wihtout higher ground this time!
You cant win Rey! I have a wet ground!
Funny enough, people liked that fight for the atmosphere, tension and emotion. The dialogue and choreography was meme-worthy. Their copy of the fight will inevitably have all of the bad parts of the ROTS fight, and none of the good.
1000 star destroyers show up on your doorstep. Everyone is panicking.
"No no no, guys, it's okay. It's the First Order, remember? No matter how many star destroyers are present, they can only launch 4 TIE fighters at a time."
4000 tie fighters sounds scary
@@SocraticMayhem No, see, it's only 4 TIE fighters between ALL their star destroyers, not multiplied by the number of star destroyers present. Standard First Order operating procedure!
They’re lined up, just ram them
Those are Imperial Class Star Destroyers tho .... Not First order.
Omer Srour like a swarm of them? Cuz that would be horrifying. Like that scene in the 3rd matrix where swarms of sentinels flood into Zion. I was terrified watching that.
A new Super Weapon AND a fleet of 1000 Star Destroyers...they still are no match for Rey. I am sure she will just lift an asteroid field or planet or something.
What is like sad is that level of shit was done in The Force Unleashed, people literally said it was to much, but also agreed at least everyone was powered up.
@Christopher Marlowe
Exactly! They even had their own Gary Stew but slowly make him a character. It's not hard, just apparently impossible for Disney writers which just makes me ask.
Who did you fire to get this trash?
Why didnt you just hire a good writer? Even just to double check the story.....
@@DreadnoughtFiend Also, Juno Eclipse had a nice rack. No one in the sequels has a nice pair of tits.
@@dragonknightleader1 that is true
Palpatine's secret fleet, each equipped with a death star laser XD
C3PO is blazed. It is a subtle nod to the fact that being blazed is the only way to enjoy this film.
Not really. Watched Forced Fanservice stoned and turned it off after the Death Star 6.66 was revealed with no build up. Only got to the WW 1 bomber sequence in Last Jedi and gave up. The only thing getting blazed made me want to do was watch the original six movies again and leave Kathleenfilm's bottom of the barrel fanfiction rotting in the blazing dumpster fire of their own making
amazing Metanarative
Watching the sequel movies stoned is a waste of a good high.
I was so high in the theater for the last jedi
I figured they're just copying MauLer's style. JJ is so unoriginal and poaches from wherever he can.
"Evil Rey" is going to be from a Force vision. I guarantee it. This is classic JJ-bait.
Muh mystery boxes...
I'd argue the ominous 1000 star destroyers in the mist will be part of the same vision. Pure audience bait.
@Anne Isopod I just hope he wont come on our faces
@Oof Oof I think she is going to be from some super secret clone army that use the emperor dna that is why she has so much bullshit force powers and why she dosen't have parents.
P.S. I also think the "1000 Star Destroyers" is going to be part of that vision, as well. There's no in-universe reason to have that many ships all in one place. But JJ included it as trailer-bait to get butts in theater seats.
Is C3PO getting "red pilled" for droid rights? 😂 👌🏻
Progressive
It's Sith3PO now.
He's been talking to the Falcon too much
Topedaddy No, he took the clown pill and said fuck it! Bring forth the chaos!
He gets an upload from an assassin/combat droid that overwrites his programming.
The main "Skywalker Saga" ended in 2005.
Can't change my mind.
1983 if you ask me
Amen, Comrade.
Concurring statement: Ended with a burning meatbag in 2005, and those baby meatbags looking at the sunsets on two different planets.
The Eiszeitmann you know i would agree with you but without the prequels, there wouldn’t be the clone wars show, which i love just as much as the empire strikes back.
@@KaosNova2 Confirmation: Your insight is most unique, yet accurate.
"Begun, the Clown Wars have." -Yoda Baggins
All this time, Yoda was a Hobbit
Pfffffffffff hehe Yoda Baggins
Rinesmyth
Or maybe he was a Sith Lord
I assume there are theories of “What if Yoda was on the dark side” he’d probably be the Sith Lord
" *Release the little clown bois* "
Grand Admiral Plank Skywalker
The star destroyers are like the unsullied and dothraki in Game of Thrones, infinite
Star Destroyers, much like the Unsullied, constantly reproduce asexually off-camera.
more like: ^^ /placeatme stardestroyer 100000000000000
imagine all the fuel these must need...
@canarycharlwood lmfao
"JJ kind of forgot about The Last Jedi."
The "Sith Rey" thing is gonna be Rey's vision in the cave of Dagobah.
'MEMBER STAR WARS???!?!!?!
Pepperidge Farms members
Yep, I think that's it
Or it's timetravel bullshit.
@@bbriggs7409 The only time we'll see Rey fail is when she kicks her own ass.
i clapped cuz i 'membed!!!!
You uploaded your reaction to Star Wars episode 9 footage.
IRONIC
Mr.Movie Mask he could save others from the trailer, but not himself
You can complain about this all you want (and you should), but I am personally excited for the EFAP where they cover a video, "Why Rey Turning Evil Makes Sense".
When I was in a hotel room, I rewatched TFA and in that first fight with Kylo, I quoted Palpy when Rey closed her eyes. "Good! Let the hate flow through you. It gives you focus. Makes you stronger."
That's how I figured she was able to beat Kylo then. So I can at least see some evidence for it. The problem is these movies never commit to that bit. They never have Rey become a legitimately wrathful character so the Sequels have to persist in insisting she's a moral character when she doesn't demonstrate any moral superiority whatsoever.
She saved them all... BY BURNING THEM. See? Rey? Denny? D&D where such visionaries!
She does display the same rashness Luke did in Empire so to have her struggle with being unable to save those closed to her and get angry like in ROTJ would make sense, however since this is supposed to be the final having a full fall and redemption in one movie would probably end up feeling rushed.
Made by Browntable
Yahli Atzmon his voice feels so pretentious.
There was so much footage from the old movies in this trailer it's seriously starting to look like mike and rich's predictions were accurate. It's an endgame style time travel movie
to use a quote from Castle Super Beast about Game of Thrones's ending: "this is the opposite of Endgame, this is the Startwork."
@@RipOffProductionsLLC i miss super best friend's
@@He-who-wakes well it's not like the former members don't still do collaborations, namely Pat and Woolie(usually on Woolie's Channel), and Liam and Mat(on Mat's Channel), as well as each member having their own independent content(have you seen Pat's streams? he and his girlfriends are a hilarious double-Tsundere), and let's be fair, towards the end of the old channel playthroughs with both Mat and Pat weren't that good anymore, so the stated reason for the brake-up seems legit.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC i mean i know all that, it's just that they seem so much better when all three of them are together
Red Letter Media were right. Remember Ewoks worshiped C3P0. But C3P0 is now possessed by Palpatine, so Ewoks are worshiping Palpatine. I bet the reshoots were to add this scene, as RLM idea was too good to not make it.
Those Star Destroyers are going to be crewed by Ewoks.
I hope that's what they do. I just want them to go all out on the stupid. I want them to crank the stupid up to 11.
They ruined Lando in Solo when they made it apparent he wanted to “interface” with L3’s “exhaust port”.
Imagine Lando running around naked inside the ship shouting "I'M INSIDE YOU L3".
Porfirio Diaz No one turn on a blacklight, you won't like what you see.
Porfirio Diaz ... ... ...I hate you. I hate you so much. 🤮🔫
@@Shockguey Goddammit, I can't breathe
Uncompetative oh my god......no wonder the walls are so yellow and crusty
I think the movie is in trouble when I care more why C3PO went to the dark side and not Rey.
lunalouhoo A robot seems more human and relatable than Rey
He is going sicko mode
@@ergoth154 True!
*T H E S I N G U L A R I T Y E N G I N E*
Right? I'm so much more interested in C-3P0 going dark
I wouldn't be surprised if evil Rey and Normal Rey are clones created by Palp. Think TLJ and the cave sequence... she only saw herself. I imagine they're trying to adapt The Force Unleased 2.
It was first done in the thrawn trilogy with a evil Luke clone, cloned from the hand he lost.
I didn't know that clones could be Force-Sensitive. I thought they couldn't since they're artificial. Huh.
@@DarkDare47
Yep, there were two Luke clones too. Luuke and Luuuuke. Not joking either.
Daisy Ridley's face looked like it was added in post or something to me, it's probably just trailer bait bullshit
If you're right, JJ planned to rip off the force unleash 2 ...for a company that say "fuck it, the EU is legend" they pick A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT from it
OH GOOD LORD! What in the name of Admiral Nelson's asscrack is that Star Destroyer formation? That might be the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. LET ME COUNT THE WAYS!
Firstly, there's the ungodly number of the things. Not only does this blow all stakes out of proportion, but that's a ludicrous amount of ships to have in one place at one time. The Empire's fleet at Endor was a fraction of that size, and they were going balls-to-the-wall in a no-holds-barred fight. Even at its height, I doubt the Empire could've mustered that kind of fleet without leaving large swaths of its space undefended. What even are resources in Star Wars anymore? The First Order just has infinite!
And don't get me started on the fucking formation, holy shit. They're in a square block in _fucking spaceships._ There's no advantage whatsoever to doing this. With infantry, it was a way of massing troops in an orderly manner, making them easy to organize and give orders to. It's been outdated since the inventions of radios and automatic weapons, and nowadays it's only used for non-combat functions. Using it with ships (or any vehicles for that matter) is retarded.
Every one of those ships communicates with other ships exclusively via space-radio. You literally cannot give vocal orders from one ship to another, and holding a formation like that just makes it needlessly easy for them to crash into each other. Even if this is at a public function like a parade, a vee formation would simply look far more impressive. There is no conceivable reason why you would pull a formation like this.
Oh, and its tactical value? Nil. Nada. Zilch. A good naval formation is guided by one rule: get as many guns in functional firing positions as possible. Now, the form this takes varies based on the types of ships involved and the situation they're in, but a ship which cannot fire is a ship that is prohibited from engaging and might as well just not be there. There's a lot of complexity to this, obviously (naval warfare is tremendously more complicated than what I can explain), but classic, direct-fire warships (WWI battleships, for instance) have the best firepower at its broadsides, so a single-file line could be considered optimal with them. Imperial and First Order Star Destroyers have a spearhead design, though, with most of the armor and firepower pointing towards their 12 o'clock, and aren't as effective from the sides or especially the rear. Therefore, you'd want a formation that maximizes forward coverage while having strong coverage against flanking, and as such, I think a vee formation would, once again, be the better choice.
But then we get to the real elephant in the room: they're flying level with each other. W.H.Y.
There's no purpose to it. There's no advantage to holding level with one another. All it does is prevent ships in the further ranks from firing on things in front of them. There's nothing to lose by arranging these ships in superfiring positions where each rank flies elevated over the one in front of it so as to have a clean shot at targets directly in front of them instead of having to shoot through friendlies or, more likely, hold fire.
In short, literally any other formation would make more sense than what they're doing. They could have their ships arranged so that their fleet makes the outline of a rubber ducky and it'd still have more tactical value than this.
Great post. I would argue that a sphere formation like the one Starfleet ships had when shooting at the Borg Sphere at the end of Voyager Endgame would be better as space is in three dimensions and a crane wing formation (is that what you mean by V formation?)
@@dragonknightleader1 From what I can find of that scene on RUclips, I think I see what you're talking about with the sphere formation. It's pretty effective, but the formation itself is directional and optimized more for ambushes. With all ships facing inwards towards the center, that enables every ship in the formation to fire on a given target, but it seems like it might be vulnerable to flanking. Granted, Federation ships also tend to have 360-degree firing arcs for their main weapons and they turn relatively quickly, whereas ships in Star Wars are generally shown to be more sluggish.
What I described was actually a flying formation, though I believe it's technically called a "vic" or "chevron" formation with planes. It's the v-shaped formation that birds fly in when migrating. Judging by the name and the few pictures I've been able to find, a Crane Wing sounds like the same thing. Birds, I believe, choose it for aerodynamic purposes, but aircraft utilized it for its defensive qualities and its good firepower concentration.
Star Destroyers have the majority of their big guns mounted topside on either cheek of their spearhead-shaped hull. This means they have their maximum firepower against targets dead ahead, half-firepower against targets on their broadside, and very limited firepower to their rear. Vic formations are best for maximizing firepower, both offensively and defensively as they allow fire to be easily concentrated. Fighters wings in this formation can easily focus-fire on targets in front of their V, meanwhile bombers benefit from interlocking fire from their defensive guns, effectively making the inside of the V a killzone and strongly defending the rear of the formation (which would otherwise be the most effective position to attack from). This seems like both a great way to make use of the Star Destroyers' biggest strength (forward firepower/armor) while helping to cover their biggest weakness (rearward firepower).
I'm going to apologize if I'm retreading ground I've already spoken about, but this is the sort of thing I'd want a visual aid for.
Hang on...
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There we go, two different examples at different angles (assuming this comes-out like it's supposed to when I post it). I don't know why I didn't think to do that sooner. I should probably re-write this post making use of that instead of just words, but it's 2 a.m. and I'm far too tired for that.
Not sure whether it'd be better to have a narrow formation or a wide one, though I reckon the narrow one would be more concentrated while the wider one would have better coverage.
Now, my suggestion had this in multiple ranks... sorta... Traditionally a rank would be a horizontal line across, but instead I'm using it to refer to layers of the V. In other words, an extra rank would be another V inside of the first one, continuing on backwards per each rank. Critically, though, ships in each additional rank would be sitting above the ships in the rank in front of them so that they can fire over them without any trouble. This would essentially form a vertical echelon, though I suppose you could also have this mirrored beneath the leading ranks to create a sort of pyramid-shape, presumably with inferior ships flying inverted relative to the rest of the fleet so as to be able to fight better against something trying to go underneath the formation.
Examples: (side view showing only the leading ship in each rank, inverted ships noted with [i])
Vertical Echelon:
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@@427Arbok They just don't care
They're most likely stores there. this is no battle formation and they look like they aren't even powered up. If anything they're hidden and not active, let alone combat ready
@@LipziG3R but that's not a stealth formation, either. Massing ships like that is just making detection easier on all fronts, plus the close proximity could make it difficult for them to engage emergency maneuvers if they were discovered. It'd be really hard to scramble from that, I think. Unless you're in a nebula or something, the best formation for stealth would be splitting the force into organized pods, placing them among debris or gas clouds to hide them, and positioned such that, when the ambush was triggered, they could activate and engage a pincer on enemy forces.
Even if they're just parking the ships to have a meeting on a nearby planet or station, a loose cluster would be far more effective in the event something happened, which is entirely likely when you're at war.
The Longman delivers! Literally just as I was thinking, "Oh boy, I wonder what Mauler thinks of this.".
Oh shit, it's Syy. How's it going, man? Have you ever wondered what Digi would make of Mauler's views on objectivity in art?
I want to see this happen.
Longman Bad
@@PowerfulSkeleton Oh, Digi would vehemently disagree. I remember Mauler saying he might cover him, and I would LOVE to be on that EFAP as a resident Digibro historian and dumb argument translator.
@@Syy I'd love to see someone use their $15 reward to get Digi to comment on the stretch of the TLJ review where Mauler outlines his objectivity stance.
Intended effect: Ah we're concluding this great thing.
Result: I'm watching the originals and prequels. You're not invited
Mauler's initial "WHAT THE FUU" and his laughter at the star destroyers was priceless 😂
Babaganoosh that was the best part
I'm pretty sure the star destroyers scene is going to be a rip off of the katana fleet from the Thrawn trilogy. Somehow the resistance will stumble on hundreds of star destroyers that happen to be empty and they'll commandeer them somehow.lol
@@Plasmon19Probably yeah, it wouldnt surprise me
The Star Destroyers fleet looked so fucking bad lmfao
They look like they've been photoshopped in the same place. Also, why are Imperial I instead of Imperial II ????
@@Plasmon19 Given they already lowkey ripped off Legacy Of The Force with an evil Solo kid, I wouldn't be surprised.
"End of the Disney Fan-Fic" is 100% accurate. Oh and don't worry about the star destroyers, we can just hyperspace ram to take them all out like dominoes.
iT's OnE iN a MiLlIoN
8:27 "Did the Council ever authorize the creation of a Clown Army?"
Yeah, the prequels had writing problems, too. The moment he's told about the existence of a Clone army, Mace asks Oni-wan, "do you think these cloners could be behind the assassination attempt on Amidala?"
And I'm thinking, "Uhhh, Mace? CLONE ARMY, dude! New priorities, ok?"
@@KneelB4Bacon To be fair, the issues of the army and the assassination attempts are directly connected. He concluded, correctly, that whoever was behind the clones also wanted to assassinate Padme to give Palpatine permission to actually form an army. And Obiwan went to Kamino originally to investigate its links to the assassin.
What I find stupid is that they seem to forget about this link the moment they find out about the separatists and stop worrying about it for the entire war until it's too late and they all die.
"it's like Rome"
he's gonna say roads
"they had roads everywhere"
ye
This whole trailer reminds me of the joke bit at the begging of Red Letter Media's Half in the Bag of Rogue One.
"STAR Destroyers, C3PO, CLIPS FROM THE OLD MOVIES, PREQUELS, ORIGINALS, MORE STAR DESTROYERS, MEMBER STAR WARS, LIGHT SABERS, FIGHTS, CHARACTER YOU KNOW, DOUBLE BLADE LIGHTSABER"
IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!!
I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW DARTH MAUL!
IM GONNA CUUUUUUUUUUUM
I APPLAUDED IT FOR BEING DIFFERENT!
ATST ATST ATST ATST
X-wings, Y-wings, B-Wings, A-wings... but no TLJ bombers!?
They all got blowed up cuz they fly at the speed of snail.
Well you see, the Resistance sorta forgot about their TLJ WW2 style bombers.
the only good this about this trailer, though I actually suspect it could be a vision of the past and make it pointless
Also called Round-Wings
Notice the lack of The Last Jedi clips too? They're trying to sweep it under the rug...
C3PO has red eyes
"By the maker! Younglings protocol activated!"
"Dead or alive, you're coming with me."
No, wait... Wrong robotoid.
JJ when making TFA: eff the prequels amirite?
JJ: What do you mean the prequel trilogy has a fanbase that appreciates the movies, flaws and all, along with tv shows, EU, video games, and toys?!
JJ: Shoot uhhhh...HEY WHO REMEMBERS THE PREQUELS?!
It's amazing how much this bullshit sequel trilogy has validated the existence of the prequels.
Because if nothing else, the prequels had some semblance of a coherent narrative running through it, and some great concepts to work with, even if the execution was piss poor.
There's nothing even semi-intelligible about the sequel trilogy. No clear endgame, nonexistent world-building (if it doesn't involve breaking canon), and the old gang being completely desecrated in favor empty vessels that for reasons beyond me people consider "characters."
To me, there's no difference between what we have and how I think a guy Kevin Smith would handle these movies if he were in charge: fling whatever random shit at the wall that sounds cool, but ultimately nothing sticks.
It's me, C3PO, you probably didn't recognise me because of the red eyes
In ep7 he had red hand, in ep8 he had red leg, now he has red eyes.
Maybe there is completely logical explanation.
Naaaahh...
Иван Снежков he had a red leg? you sure about that?
3PO has been smoking some bud, probs needs the escape to forget he's in this story.
Yup, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got in this situation.
What if he is C3P-X the droid assassin that was Maul's "protocol" droid? I'd laugh but you know that isn't actually going to happen.
*When they show the OT*
"I CLAPPED, I CLAPPED, WHEN I SAW IT!"
THEY BROKE NEW GROUND
AT-ST! AT-ST!
Now we just need to get the hopeless fanboys to stop saying the franchise is saved.
It is saved.
Dragonage2ftw Weren’t you one of those people that kept saying that Star Wars was doing better than ever and didn’t need saving at all?
@@RogueFox2185 Maybe he's the shill for the leaders of the toxic brood Disney paid to try and destroy us with 1 line arguments like how if you go on Doomcok's videos you'll see a few known paid shills
I mean this is genuinely the most interested I’ve been in Star Wars in ages. I just want Rey pulling star destroyers from space and demolishing both sides somehow on her own
I just kinda wanna see it less for enjoyment than the spectacle that a disaster can be.
In the recommendations for this video, I can rent/buy Empire Strikes Back for $19.99 or Rogue One for $2.99. I think that about sums up how much the "sections" of the franchise mean to the fans of the franchise.
Damn that must cut deep. And Rogue One is the best one that Disney made, too!
Austin Mills and its also the only ‘’good’’ one. Except maybe Solo
Iko Andreas solo is boring, you know that the main character can’t die
dark matter yeah solo is terrible, looking back. But not for the reasons you stated
@@darkmatter1721does that make Empire Strikes Back a bad movie, because you know, that Episode 6 exists, so there's a chance, of many characters from this movie to survive?
I’m not excited for this film, I’m excited for the reaction from pissed fans.
I’m excited to laugh at how bad it will be
I don't know whether i will be laughing throughout the movie, or trying to keep my brain off.
Welp
If Destroyers are not destroyed using hyperspace, I want my money back.
_scorch Each Star Destroyer is now a potential death rocket. I wonder how they're gonna write around that.
Or at least have Yoda and army of force ghosts zip the shit out of them
Lmao the star destroyers all hyperdrive into rebel planets. Use their tactics against them!
@@ergoth154 nono writing around something? That's Hard, just ignore it for zhe Fee fee's
I'd want my money back too but I have no intention of seeing this thing.
Wait....didn't the first order learned that hyperspace jump is now a weapon?? And they lined their ships like that???.....
that's what I've been thinking. I mean. you literally need one hyperspace xwing for each of those lines.
The first order just kinda forgot
@Cyrus Wolfe They just finished building it
@WillFanofMany I was talking about the Mcguffin box, not star destroyers themselves
The entire selling point of the new films was having the old cast return and then just to kill them all off XD
“We bring the originals back...and then shit on them!”
I read the us constitution, John Adams says that the emperor survived the death star explosion.
For those who are unaware, 3 star destroyers is called a fleet, they have 8 🅱🅸🅻🅻🅸🅾🅽
1.2 BILLION
For those who are unaware the Empire had about 25000 destroyers at it's high plus galaxy conquering fleets and super weapons hidden away at it's height.
Those are what? A thousand maybe hidden in a nebular?
NoFunPolice ...no...logically
Ima need a source for this since the Old Republic has their dicks kicked in by design from the Seppies sooooo source or save it
1.2 ..................... BBBBBBBBIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIOOOOOOONNNN.
Hassat Hunter that part was so fucking good lmao
LET THE PAST DIE!!!!. Proceeds to have half the trailer consist of previous films
I've got three words for this: "Oh, bloody hell."
MauLer's reaction 9:15 was gold. Yeah, cannot wait to see the critical analysis of these BS battle tactics. Space is 2D right? The flashes of light are so JJ, like Ep 7 and the pre-stormtrooper carnage rage party.
Rey being great, Rey being perfect, but now she's evil? Yeah, no. I don't see why I should care.
I cannot wait to hear Shad's take-down of the fight scenes, from one HEMA student to another.
this really pisses me off, why do they all have space fights like its a chessboard? you could do so much with all 3 dimensions, remember the begining of episode 3! Heck remember battle of endor!
They're in an atmosphere, below cloud level even. They're the littlest star destroyers.
We've gone from WW2 bombers to WW1 battleships. Stuff this for a laugh, I'm off to watch Wrath of Khan.
@@davelewthwaite At least Khan had an excuse for thinking in two dimensions.
Evil Rey is way more cool and interesting
"Twice the pride, double the fall."
"Master Abrams, you disappoint me. Disney holds you at such high esteem"
@@sand5857 Lightsaber nunchucks
"I'm looking forward to this."
@@sand5857 Why stop there, lightsaber chakrams and ninja stars, on laser sticks, everything's spinning at 120 hz. S P E C T A C L E
You know the sad part about this all is? The Galaxy far far away feels like an area the size of a town. Their are no unique cultures, no real depth or expanse. It feels like there is just red versus blue and nothing else. And yet look at Battletech/Mechwarrior, a story line set in a space of just 500 light years and yet it feels gargantuan and lived in. Each of the great houses has a unique culture, language, mech preferences, styles of fighting, currency, ethnicity, history and a reason why they hate the other houses. There is grey morality and realistic motivation for every houses actions beyond “muahahahahahaha”. Fuck even ComStar (literally space USSR) has a grounded motivation for murdering people who try to advance technology too far or rediscover lostech (prevent another massive war that killed trillions and destroyed hundreds of worlds). From the fall of the Star League, to the four succession wars that all but reduced the galaxy to dark age mentality with 31st century tech, to the invasion by the Clans and their radically adavanced technology, to the houses having to put aside their differences to battle the invaders to even ComStar having to use its hidden Star League tech and all of their agenda to battle the clans in an all or nothing battle just to buy time and to cripple the clan war machine long enough to mount a counter attack. It all felt like there was weight to things. You felt real fear when the clans arrived as nothing seemed to hurt their troopers save swarming them. Like four Sherman tanks attacking a German tiger tank. You just don’t feel that in Star Wars or game of thrones. There isn’t that weight or that gravity of so much being lost in a war that spans kingdoms. There is never that disheartening feeling of fighting a losing war because the protagonist just doesn’t lose. So why should we care?
Good work as always. Now where is that Finnish to Game of thrones Mauler?
The point about the larger universe hinted at in the previous 6 films when compared to the sequel trilogy is one I haven't heard many talk about, but has alway annoyed me. To me the sequel trilogy feels like it takes place in some far corner of the universe with little relation to anything that has happened prior, aside from having some of the same characters and elements, like the Force and the Jedi and lightsabers, etc.
In my view most of TLJ had the story of a filler TV episode, and it seemed even more so because it happened right after TFA, covered so little, and little change happened from the opening stakes to the end stakes. The movie started with the Resistance on the run from the First Order and then ended with them on the run, except now Luke and Snoke are dead. Sure, Empire started and ended similarly, but we had important character revelations at the end of that film, character development and actual Jedi training, and Han was taken prisoner, setting up the rescue in Return of the Jedi. Literally what is there to go on for this upcoming movie? The Resistance fights the First Order, but ... it's more exciting? There are precious few setups to pay off.
The first 6 films usually covered a wide time period both in each film and between each film, and dealt with grand designs and schemes that had galactic consequences, all connected through the main characters and Anakin. Now it seems the films are mostly following random new characters on their unrelated day-to-day adventures, with the occasional 'remember X element from the first 6 films?', all framed in a cosy 'Rebels vs Empire but we changed the names' theme with little setup or sense. How does it relate to anything at large? What is the state of the galaxy? It's quite bizarre. The world building is just atrocious.
It certainly doesn’t help that the sequel universe is literally small. The characters watched the death beam streak across the sky and blow up an entire solar system that was likely tens if not hundreds of light years away like it was a bunch of jets being shot by missiles at a modestly high altitude.
As Joel Hodgeson once said, “They just didn’t care.”
LogJam 101 you could probably do summarize TLJ in like 3 to 4 22 minute episodes I feel. It covered so little but pushed itself to be so long.
HUNDREDS OF STAR DESTROYERS???
Hux: “ WHAT’S THE POINT OF ALL OF THIS...???”
I don't know if they say how long it's been since TLJ but damn man they went from a rogue faction a remnant of nearly nothing to this giant super power. Ironic.
@@mortenlunddk Like a week maybe?
and all of those are still to slow to catch up to the Resistance's One ship
@@mortenlunddk Because it turns out the New Republic was so incompetent that everyone wanted to join the First Order. As far as random Star Wars citizen is concerned, the Resistance are a bunch of terrorists supporting a completely illegitimate government. The Sequels have made the First Order the secret good guys.
@@dragonknightleader1 but they have not showed this at all. They haven't showed that the Republic is incompetent they were blown up and they didn't destroy the first order but is that incompetent? We didn't kill all who served the nazis or were nazis. But besides this they have not shown that people are in supoort of the first order, also besides this the first order was in power for maybe a day in TLJ you i doubt there's much of an argument to be made there. But what we can assume is what the movie tell us and in the crawl they are refered to as the universe bad guys and a remnant of the empire.
I’m looking forward to EFAP’s 5 HOUR DEMOLITION OF THIS FILM MORESO THAN THE FILM
5 hour? Pfft... I'm relying on the next one for years worth of content.
MauLer's gonna need 12 hours for this one
Next year we can expect (hopefully he will be done with his TFA by then) a critique on The Rise of Skywalker. First video: 3 hours, part 1 of 10.
Palpatine and Obi Wan are literally the last two characters I care about in Star Wars
And Disney is on a quest to ruin both of them
Nobody:......
Jar Jar Abrams: “Wanna see a lightsaber that subverts expectations?”
How did you know? 🙄
Well that lightsaber has actually been around since the Clone Wars and Rebels. So really, Jar Jar Abrams isn't "subverting expectations" so much as he's just doing the same old derivative crap.
@@arnavbhattacharjee2035 If I remember, they were used by Pong Krell and the Temple Guards, now Pong Krell is an alien who uses double bladed lightsabers and probably had big hands so it makes a little sense and the Temple Guards second blade gets turned on when they flip the hilt so no two blades on one side.
"Ray can't possibly turn evil."
.......
(Game of Thrones, Season 8, Episode 5)
The poster screams laziness. The trilogy, the prequels, even 7 and 8 has some artistic flare. But this, this looks like some you would see in a bargain bin with a 5$ sign on it.
Fr, it doesn’t even fit the theme lmao
My reaction to the Rey with the flip saber at the end was, What? Why? This is like one movie too late for this development.
So, speculation says either clone, possession by Palpatine or vision.
You can tell its not an important or permanent thing because its in the trailer
Also we know she'll never return after IX so if she turns it'll resolve within this movie. Yeeeeah, that'll happen.
we need an unbridled rage just for this trailer.
Boba Fet was in there why?
Oh because Mandalorians.
O.G. Starwars Which to be fair, are excellent
Effects artists, we need a fleet of Star destroyers!
Right you are!
CTRL-C CTRL-P CTRL-P CTRL-P....
.....isn’t control+P print?
@@zachgilbert3815 Haha well spotted, but I think I'll leave it in given we're in the 3D Printing age :p
CTRL-V*
Is this a trailer for Ep 9 or WatchMojo's Top 10 OT moments??
You guys forgot the CR90 Corvette also returning. Because no progress has been made since REVENGE OF THE SITH... cool Disney thanks
There's been progress. Remember the bombers in TLJ? :O)
jayjaydeth never mind I’ll take the CR90 Corvette
@@jayjaydeth You have a Typo in there. Let me correct that real quick:
"There has been regress."
Disregard Disney.
Just read the Expanded Universe.
LightningNC Honestly we should’ve kinda realized where this is going the second they told us the EU isn‘t canon anymore.
Read Thrawn trilogy
@@darthcorbi I kind of realized it then, but like a fool forced myself to give Disney a chance. Even took me a while to admit that TFA in fact wasn't "pretty good, I guess".
No, Mauler. Don't you get it? Those queuing Star Destroyers are basically ammunition for each Hyperspace-Ram. That's why they're so many - it's their new "superweapon".
Mother of God!
@VobisPacem This, building a death star makes no sense in a universe where you could just ram a star destroyer into a planet
No! Don't give them ideas!
Also, 100th like. I'll take my cookie.
13:41
Yes, Mauler. There are a lot of ways where they can easily win. For example, the people flying the Star Destroyers may not know which way is up
"Kar. Rack. Turrs? What are those?"
"They're props, but made of people."
You know what makes a terrifying war machine scarier on its second appearance? An attempt to destroy it in the same way it was destroyed the first time that utterly fails.
Producing a thousand copies of it does not leave the same effect. Usually it leaves the exact opposite effect.
It looks like they had the trailer house digitally add Ray's face to another character so it would create a mystery to attract people to the theater. JJ does love his mystery boxes.
''What are stories but mistery boxes?''
I don't know... set up and pay off? But Jar Jar wouldn't know about any of that, judging by his entire catalog of disappointment.
I thought she looked really weird there too. Her neck is too long, her head is too small, looks like she is bald or something and the lighting seems off.
@@BaldorfBreakdowns the lighting "being off" doesn't matter, since the light is coming from the lightsaber and thus is a digital effect like the bade that's casting it.
but in general yeah... this final teaser shot is obviously just bait, part of me wouldn't even be surprised if this shot isn't even in the movie at all.
but on the idea that it's Rey's face plastered over another character.... Oh god, please let this be the Emperor with the stupid light-nunchuck-saber; let him the the stupidest most insane crap in the movie, he's going to be the only "fun" part anyway.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC So if there is a digital light source the lighting doesn't matter? Odd that Lightsabers have had realistic lighting in all the other movies then... Should animated movies just choose random directions and surfaces to be shadowed because it's all digital?
@@RipOffProductionsLLC I mean, fuck it at that point, Lightsabers don't even need to cast light. They just are.
Literally just saw it and rolled my eyes so much I thought I was going to have a brain aneurism; the Rey killer.
The final battle will be Ackbar killing the Emperor and Kyle Ben with a trap that subverts expectations.
And John Williams will be playing: “Ooooceaan man”
The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities, some consider to be... unnatural.
Like the ability for Rey to finally close her mouth.
I remember Star Wars! Remember Star Wars?!
MASSIVE.
IRONIC.
This is gonna be a masterpiece of a video
Edit: it is a fucking masterpiece of a video the only bad thing about it is the trailer itself
Oh thee, of little faith, there is no depth to Kennedy and JJ's depravity. We don't hate Star Wars, we hate Kennedy. My all the Gods, and the ancestors, Jar Jar Abrams really took Ruin's advice, just kill the past. That trailer made me physically ill
Darkfireice think they’ll retcon last Jedi?
@@theawkwardskeleton6608 not to he overly pedantic, but don't you need a story to retcon? Sorry for the snark, but you'll have to inform me, I ain't seeing this crap
Emperor, Vader (heard his breathing), A-Wing, B-Wing, Y-Wing, Lando, Leia... This is such a tiny universe. Disney can't come up w/ anything new new that anyone likes.
all those rebel designs should be a decade (due to upgrades) to 30 years obsolete, even in the relative peace of the interwar period of the 20s early 30s ww1 planes quickly became obsolete, and the planes that made them obsolete qucikly became obsolete and so on.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 You're not wrong but I kinda buy into the theory that the Star Wars Universe reached the apex of technology a LONG time ago. There simply isn't new tech to be had just minor tweaks and variations.
Real world reason, shameless play to fan-service and nostalgia from people w/ little talent of their own.
Also, I really don't give a rat's ass about Star Wars anymore.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The ST X-Wings are based on earlier Ralph McQuarrie concept art. Note the split engine pods. That begs the question of why they aren't using the original McQuarrie Y-Wings with the big glass bubble turrets.
@@kevinanderson2249 Even when technology peaked in Star Wars, they still had lots of different designs because they have different engineering companies. Sienar Fleet System (TIE fighter makers) will never make a ship that looks like the Incom X-wing. Corellia isn't going to make Mon Calamari cruisers. Even the X-wing was an improved model of the Z-95 Headhunter, so as far as Star Wars is concerned, they were still innovating even though they can't reinvent the flotation device.
Kevin Anderson it’s literally why they shouldn’t have non-canonized the EU. They could’ve adapted films of some of those. Easy money really.
The issue with Disney is that they want several properties like the MCU with its own endgame and stuff. It doesn’t matter if it’s not supposed to be like the MCU, or feel like it. They just need MORE MCU!
This is true for most companies really. Endgame was a highly regarded success and everyone wants to follow that trend, the money it made was something everyone wants. The issue is nobody makes series like that yet their doing culminations with nothing to stand on. I’m so glad DC decided to quit doing that after Justice League. Their version of Endgame wouldve been such a shit show.
The only thing that is keeping Star Wars remotely alive now, is reprints of EU books and prequel memes.
I agree man,the EU did the whole palpatine return better than disney did.
@@delta2372 absolutely, It had meaning and consequence. Not just some marketing ploy.
@@beardedbjorn5520 exactly, granted I was disappointed that luke wasn't the one to put palps down permanently but other than that I enjoyed dark empire
Anyone check on Shad? He may have had a stroke seeing that double blade saber...
Wasn't Shad ok with Maul's lightsaber?
@@TheSSBBfan666 Maul's lightsaber is a quarterstaff, which is a basic martial arts weapon. Switchblade lightsaber, OTOH, is a flimsier version of a quarterstaff. I might have accepted it if the folded up version is the safety and it only ignites when it's unfolded, but since we see it light up when folded, it only takes the hinge to unlock to turn it into an unstable weapon.
@@TheSSBBfan666 The problem is that the double bladed lightsaber acts as effectively a quarterstaff or can even be used effectively as a spear, this...thing Rey is wielding looks like a fucking nun-chuck, which would make it worse than a medieval flail, an absolute garbage weapon nobody actually used
Alex They’ve had equivalent lightsabers in the cartoons and they never activate until they unfold. Disney can’t even look at their own tv shows to see how a logical version of the weapon would work
He is fine... well kind of 🤣
ruclips.net/video/ibTIx-0euWQ/видео.html
Disney uploads SW trailer 1h ago,
EFAP uploads reaction video 30 mins later,
duration: 8 hours. Bloody hell...
Turns out when they say every frame a pause... They mean they're actually pausing time.
can't wait for them to send 3 tie fighters from that fleet
Nah, they will only send 1. Don't want to waste the ships!
They tried to show all of the movies in order, but the Boba Fett clip that plays with the episode 5 clips is from episode 6...
3:12 “they haven’t killed Kenobi yet, but they might do”
This comment aged exactly on schedule
Turning c3po into a villian is the best choice ever imaginable
Papa pals downloaded himself into c3po
jesus christ they were so lazy with the trailer
I thought it was a 4chan shitpost at first.
Theyre going with the "Dark Empire" storyline here from the old Dark Horse comics with Palpatines secrete fleet of Stardestroyers (theyre all Imperator I type Stardestroyers btw) ...
welp the double bladed lightsaber that folds up has been around since S4 of the Clone Wars Series. Its the standart weapon of Jedi Temple Guards (but with shorter blades and in yellow) Theyre realy running out of Ideas here.
Why does JJ have the urge to implement a new kind of sabre in each of his movies tho?
@@antraxxslingshots It's not new though. These guys overreacted a bit to it, (they are youtubers) but the folding saber...staff...thingy isn't knew.
@@nickdoesthing584 Except there's absolutely no point to it. If you want a double blade, go with Maul's design, it's so much safer.
@@nickdoesthing584 When was it ever done in the movies ? (Remember, the EU isn't canon anymore and third party media are not taken into account)
@@silvergrove8517 Third party isn't taken into account...If it's cannon it is. Check out the Jedi Temple guards from Rebels. They use these types of sabers.
Coming back to this vid like:
“oh, you sweet summer children. You have No idea what’s in store.”
It’s so much worse than any of us could have ever imagined
*_"I live on through this arm!!"_*
- Emperor Palpatine
This is an under appreciated comment.
After watching this trailer, I'd rather re-watch the Originals and the Prequels in a marathon and forget the Sequels ever happened.
I have, actually. They were like "remember this?", and I was like " oh, yeah, the GOOD ones" and I was very much including the prequels in my mind.
I only liked the original trilogy at first when I watched it to prep for TFA (TFA wasn’t worth my first-timer marathon), but I feel like I’m going to appreciate them more with time. All three are timeless stories as opposed to these lazy, shallow, and manipulative corporate products they call films.
Me after watching all six movies: What a great series! Too bad there will never be any more.
@Dyl H. There is one consolation bud, at least Luke was preserved well in the Expanded Universe. Much better than Jake Skywalker.
@@SignorAde *Raises glass* To the good old days. Before the dark times, before Disney.
Nostalgia bait wars Episode 9 rise of the desperate
Well, Episode 9 will probably be "meh"... they can't F up as much as TLJ did right?
- A WILD ONE GAZILLION STAR DESTROYERS APPEARED -
Remember light sabers? Remember how cool Maul was? Here, we ruined double-bladed lightsabers! Happy?
I am sad.
We all are Rags.
It gets worse, if these spoilers are true:
boundingintocomics.com/2019/08/16/alleged-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-leaks-reveal-how-emperor-palpatine-returns/
Aww.
Frieza died on an exploding planet and they managed to bring him back with the power of MECHA
Well to be fair, Frieza can survive the vacuum of space and being sliced in half so there is a precedent for that.
@@johnherb4243 plus, characters in anime are naturally sturdier than any other media