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Neither is $3... But over $100 and over 25% for something like the G6X 3060 Ti would be. Let's widen the scope a little and not cherry pick so much, just for the sake of negativity. Hope you enjoyed the analysis nonetheless 👍
@@TechLens they are still to high for normal "days" that was before crypto and ai. 7900xt it would be sound more reasonable if is around 700$ max more than that is overprice în my opinion. All Nvidia cards are still overprice and need to lower the price around 150$ for the lower and middle class. Don't expect that consumers will buy a 8gb card on 2023...when we have 8gb from 2016...and charge extra 100$ for the "normal" card of 4060ti 16gb.... In my opinion this generation is a waste of money and don't deserved to be buyed....not in this price range that ngreedia offer.. If you are on 3000 series is not worth it to "upgrade" to 4000 they don't have any good performance only around 5-10% with fake features. For 4000 series only 4090 can be call a good upgrade but good luck buy it on 1600$.
@@DarkDorelNvidia does not care. Either you buy it at these prices or don't. You think they make their cash with consumer gaming cards? They made as much selling cards to AI market, and that is expected to go 7-10× coming few years.
@@TechLens MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Ti SUPRIM X dropped June 29 from $2543 -> ~$1337 (47% drop), in Denmark. They sold out fast, needless to say. However, it is still surprising, to me, that it sold out fast. Personally, I want to see Nvidia bleed before I buy their cards. It's not enough that they "go back to "normal" prices". They have been screwing us over for years now, and Jensen is fueled by greed. Note: cards in Europe are usually listed with all taxes and so on, unlike in the states.
Talking about MSRP at this point in time for GPUs multiple years old is weird. Kinda going about this the wrong way. We should be looking at current value versus older hardware second hand market.
Thank you for the time and effort put into this. Regardless of the pros and cons from the various perspectives people have, without this content it would be very difficult to have any discussion due to a lack of actual data points. It would only be opinions. A lot like so called news outlets :)
Great video! Have ever done a "what should you pay" kind of video? This is mostly to do with used gpus. What I mean is the 1660s and ti's are 120 to 170 respectively is that a good value for the age of the card kind of thing?
If it helps I still use a GTX 1660ti in my system ... hell it even ran Halo Infinite, albeit on low settings 😅 I bought it maybe 3 or 4 years ago at around 300-400GBP so it sounds like a price somewhat consistent with its age
@@yonghominale8884 If you're buying an 3060 12gb how do you justify not finding an extra $30 and getting a 6700xt? 10% more price, 30-40% more performance. And don't say RT, cause you're not turning on RT with anything in that class.
Very happy with my new RX 6950XT, I ignore ray tracing games or use upscaling, just like the RTX 4070 would. For all non-ray tracing games the RX 6950 XT gives better performance, even when undervolted, so power consumption difference is a lot smaller than you might think.
RTX is meh, I think the big huge leap in graphics will be path tracing and I think its still 2-5 years away. Not sure I'd ever use DLSS 3 frame generation and FSR is close enough to DLSS 2 for me. I dunno, guess I'm just an old school rasterization guy. All the other stuff just seems like ammo for sales guys.
You can get an Rtx 3090 for about $650 used and its at HALF the price you have it at on here. It's a couple years old, but it has 10.4k shading units with 24 Gb of VRAM and a used one would put it at a similar value to the Rx 6950 Xt at $6.70 ish, per frame. The USED market ROCKS. You can get some amazing deals.
well i would rather buy a brand new 6950 than a used for the same price and i have done it actually just recently because the used market is overvaluing their old overpriced equipment. For me to consider it a good deal used 3090 would need to be around 400 otherwise i wont buy someone elses old junk. Also most are pricing their used 3090 far more than 650 lol
@@DanielTowatt no this time was for me the first time to buy new, because people can`t just grasp that what they bought 6 months ago for 1200 is now 400 worth used. Maybe you are among those people. It is very hard to get good deals nowadays at least where i am at
3060 12GB here (first build). The performance changes from game to game but I can happily say I game in 1440p with High Settings and can run Assetto on a 4K TV at 70fps. Great card. Will only upgrade next gen for a full 4K one. Market options are not compelling yet.
Great informative video once again 💪🥰. These uploads are awesome for those in the pc space or new to it imo…… especially considering the current flustercuck of a GPU market we’re in ….. and been in for years now 💩🤦🤦♂🤦♀.
Keep in mind that Intel's video encoders are also much better in terms of quality and efficiency than those of Nvidia and AMD. So if you need AV1 encoding because you stream or want to reduce the size of your porn collection, Intel's Arc GPUs are actually a very compelling option.
@@UKKNGaming the actual bitrate and quality does improve with intel's AV1. It's not too good at most other tasks, but the AV1 on intel has had a couple comparisons and it just looks better.
I bought my MSI RTX 3060 Ti VENTUS 2X OCV1 LHR brand new and sealed from my friend for $400 CAD a week back, which is $110 CAD lower than the cheapest new model in Canada and even $49 cheaper than the Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 3060 Ti LHR 8 GB (which is the cheapest 3060Ti) in Canada. I'm incredibly happy with it and at 1080p, I have no real desire or need to upgrade for the next 2-4 years.
I just purchased an RX 6950 XT from Newegg for $599. 😊$645 with tax. Also it came with a full boat version of Starfield so quite the bargain. Can't wait till it arrives on Monday
the 6900xt is indeed a nice card as i have one myself. You might want to look at 6950xt if your not going to buy second hand as they are a decent price new , or go latest gen with the falling 7900xt and get even more horsies!
Thanks for your video👍 For creators, the real performance maybe different. 3D production is way better and more stable in RTX4000 series even for video editing. It’s surprisingly good compared to 3000 series even. For gaming, this video really makes sense.
I went from an asus rog 1660ti three fan version to an rtx 3060 12 gig version, about a year ago. Fills all my needs and very happy with the purchase. Do i need a 4090? Not at the msrp price. Go with what you can afford! I am 67 now and retired so 2000 dollars for a new got to have gpu is not in the budget!
great data and presentation here, but i do agree with the other commenters that there's not really a point in discussing the msrp of 3-year old cards. that's my only gripe though, otherwise good stuff!
I recently sold my Asus TUF 3070 8GB OC for $325 and got Gigabyte 3080Ti 12GB OC for $470; initially was looking at 4070 but that would have cost me few hundreds more. Think I am good to go for another 1-2 years now.
@@anthonymejia7099 Well, it is working well and with further OC on it. I had 3 days to check and now have been using for several weeks, no issues at all.
All prices in this video are so low, in Poland rtx4060ti cost around 500$ and rx6800 around 590$, rtx4070 something between 700 and 850$, and 3060ti you can gat for ~450$. Im planning to buy rx6800 soon
I had an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti, and it overheated, so I bought a new one installed it and the fans ran for about one minute. I contacted NVIDIA, and they told me the fans should run constantly (not run on variable speed) there is no software to change the speed. Swapped the power supply, same thing, so I just installed a 5 dollar USB fan under the card, so far so good. Has anyone else had this problem?
Riddle me this @Techlens Considering how MSRP for a 4080 is still 1500 to 1800€ in Greece, i am wondering this: Are retailers getting a return of investment every time NVIDIA drops its MSRP? Because to my understanding, they bought them at some price considering a margin of profit for them to resell them and then the cost drops to a point where, what are the resellers supposed to do? Chop their profit and sell close to MSRP? Send them back and request them again so they get them at a better price? Is it me, or the luckiest of the retailers are those who did NOT purchase cards at release and can now buy them in the new MSRPs and have them sold at 10-20% off from those who pioneered in investing in new and adequate stock? 🤔 Will NVIDIA now get hated by retailers too for cutting their MSRP, as much as it is hated in the gaming community?
There is no such thing as a scalper only application competitive perfect price. When the cards are held up in price that is because there are 'segment by segment' commercial and professional buyers still demanding what supply there is in that region. Greece, well, the closer sellers are to export restricted regions another reason for higher card prices that began at Ampere on consumer cards relied for commercial and institutional use. Another issue are the in region transport tariffs and I'm not specifically referring to customs duties that do exist, what I am really referring to is gray market sales distribution taking a cut of the cards in a shipment for regional access; no hand a pallet of cards over for country access, no access and that raises card prices and has been at a very high level of abuse in the last three years the sales distribution system is financially very leaky. Specific resellers that procure cards and then on a price drop are left underwater. Not exactly the way its working currently, but yes brokers can get caught under water on a procurement purchase price over time that was primarily associated with RDNA ll and Ampere MSRPs set by AMD and Nvidia at what is referred to as 3rd degree discriminatory pricing that is actually a run end price regulator pulled ahead in the supply schedule and in the second half of 2021 and all through 2023 sellers said no and priced at what is called 1st degree pricing which seeks the highest price per unit on demand and supply. Economically specific production the first cards cost = price and the last card produced price = cost and that is where a design producer or sellers does not want to be caught at run end when production price on production volume economies, supply and demand reach P = C. Currently RDNA lll are 1st degree priced and the channel searches for price equilibrium on price drops this happens in CPUs also but the price drops are contained to no less than quarterly subject warranty return time frames. Nvidia Ada 4090 FE $1599 is a regulating price cap deployed by Nvidia to prevent inflated pricing but FE as a taper equals only 10% of AIB desktop production volume. FE regulating caps has pulled some AIB models closer but there are higher end more fully featured cards selling for $1800 and more which are a cost : price / margin support for full line cost : price margin concessions everything in the end is cost : price / margin averaged. 4080/70ti are 1st degree priced and 4070 is 3rd degree priced. 4060_ well, 60_ at $299 is price at cost. You mentioned 4080 and he cost to produce a 4080 is $643.58 leaving $555.42 in margin potential if the AIB sells direct. Whether the AIB splits that margin with sales distribution channel is always in question on OpEx and CapEx recovery sustaining design production. End sellers can easily add + 30% which brings a 4080 up to the price of a 4090 FE but still under the 4090 AIB card that sells for $1800. On production marginal cost decline for Nvidia AD peak production is now through q3 and through a producer's 'cost' ramp price will be held up but beginning in q4 into q1 2024 price moves to what is called 'consumer supply elastic' that prices cards manufactured through run down, the last 40% of any production run, down in price on amount of surplus, overage supply, and this is when you will see Ada price and RDNA ll dropping. AD 120 4080ti is also expected q4 into q1 and that will push 4080 under $1000 and drag 4090 low end less full featured cards down minimally $200 so price drops in time. What will really be affected is RDNA ll that is already selling close to cost and Ampere which will continuing come down in price until reaching cost. So the question of sales distribution buying and then getting caught is the result of bad procurement choices because when selling to a commercial customer you usually have the sale in hand and extorted transport tariffs are a big issue, but in time, all prices decline and what I feel is a good purchase strategy, the one I rely, is always to buy at run end and never get ripped off for an inflated price of early adoption hardware / software instability issue. mb
@@mikebruzzone9570 my friend.. i don't disagree with what you are saying but it's not answering my question. I am putting my self in the shoes of official retailers and try to see these price drops from their perspective. At the beginning of my comment i say "Considering that the price is STILL 1500" and by that i meant (sorry if i didn't make it clear) that although the MSRP is dropping, that is not getting reflected in the shops. The question is : If it was to be reflected, i as a user would be happier but would that be true for the shops too? I am not talking about scalpers anyway.. Talking about official non-NVIDIA stores that gave a lot of money up front to have the cards in stock at the previous MSRPs. What are they supposed to do now?Who is paying the difference as the new MSRP is probably the same with the wholesale price they had to pay which was high enough already and then to sell them they had to add their profit plus the tariffs you mention raising the price to what it is (too high for consideration).
@@Achilleas7 RDNA III was first degree priced going in and u needed the full margin to play the game of finding right price. I gave example at 4080 u need the full $555 margin spilt by the AIB with volume sellers otherwise if you add on top of that have a final sales order in hand. Prices are fair for profit maximizers on production costs albeit the new designs have some performance issues associated Navi 31 GCD to MCD latency and 32 TSMC 6 nm not truly understood yet I would say and the AD slim bus that large L2 does not seem to resolve for AD 104/6/7 mobile in desktop implementations affecting card price performance. Original pricing was fair on marginal cost = marginal revenue x2 volume sellers are finding the rational price for performance subject design considerations. That comes from their margin built in from the manufacturer or master distributor or otherwise. That some AIBs offer more pricey cards at any grade SKU supports that grade SKU category 90/80/70/60 average price across the stack; full line cost : price margin usually the mid shelf cards on cost : price margin subject greater volume subsidize top and bottom shelf product price. Top shelf margin can pay for mid shelf but rarely do because the volume of mid shelf is more and the price premium supporting top shelf is small enough to hide across mid shelf volume. 4090 FE regulating price cap worked. 4080/70ti 1st degree price minor adjustments down for 4080 and 70ti stable. 4060 for $299, 7600 for $269 are at or near price = cost. Adjustments down are on the performance questions subject design questions. Pricing started out okay on production and channels are testing for the right price on card performance and competitive alternatives are primary back generation run end surplus. During producers ramp small volume sellers have to have the application perfect sales and purchase order in hand. Price on utility value to the end customer has to meet their ROI requirement; segment by segment application competitive price and that can mean greater than MSRP for end buyers who want basically HPC first dibs and get it by paying for it before others who a on their needs are only willing to pay less. Noteworthy in the CPU market the cadence of price drops a quarter. AMD and Nvidia desktop dGPU 30 day $100 cuts through volume sellers created an 'pen box' inventory buffer ala auto dealer lease and rent-a-car affiliate manufacturer inventory cache to create one price rung down as a buffer zone prejudices small sellers controlled by volume sellers. An interesting after effect we'll see how it plays out primarily against back generation new surplus and secondary. 4090 FE at $1599 as a regulating cap no reseller was screwed by that on 4090 FE access and allocation and subject procurement from AIB starting at end sale $2700 and now $1800 u need to know what u r getting into on 1st degree application perfect pricing. Consulting VARs and design install SIs do. Otherwise, VARs and design build know what the customer's ROI is on commercial procurement need at the time of sale. Volume sellers have the margin to price down without incurring a loss. Vermeer R5K, Raphael R7K and Raptor Alder desktop are good examples of products with sufficient margin and performance to be priced down over time. When an established end sales outlet in the distribution chain gets stuck on sales loses not of their making solution at producer's ramp is an ever deeper buy in too cost : price average out prior loss. This changes for run down volume purchases and bundled sales close incentive where the first question has to be can I make a profit wrapping a product around a dGPU or CPU near run end or not when undervalued by the ultimate end buyer. If that answer is no don't buy it or take it (freebie) or warp a product around it and/ or broker if off to someone else quickly. Holding unwanted inventory at run end can be a game of musical chairs. Suppliers will traditionally make concessions associated next procurements when the prior was less than a square deal but you have to know what u r getting into as a broker or end sales outlet. Low volume sellers have sales order in hand. Parts are not procured until the system or system order is in hand getting next seller up in the distribution chain to take on the inventory holding risk. Overall many did not understand AMD and Nvidia moved from RDNA ll and Ampere 3rd degree run end regulating so said MSRP (fake PR price) to RDNA lll and Ada 1st degree application perfect price relying on channel, deepest margin holders to find the right price. I've been after PC media and tech tube to explain this for three quarters its a cross practice void in the communications system not comprehending or willing to articulate the price change outside so said 'bad price' coming off of 2023 cartelized supply and inflated price. RDNA lll and Ada are fair priced on application need subject profit maximization to recovery OpEx and make some CapEx albeit some performance design flaws affected new card price more than lack of demand. PC product sales in the channel are robust between new and used there is no slowdown in sales when you add used. Current generation GPU price improves over Ampere and RDNA ll cartel 18 month inflated price that RDNA lll and Ada 1st degree pricing attempt to resolve and curtail parallel RDNA ll and Ampere overage attempting to offer a range of GPUs priced for all tastes and preferences. 4080 and 4070ti are like 7900XT_ 1st degree priced and there have seen minor adjustments down for 4080 $100 and its selling and no one seems a looser among Nvidia' 'Pareto' customer base controlling theoretically 80% of the desktop supply. 4070ti price has also been relatively stable. 7090XT has had deeper adjustments down but volume retail had the margin to adjust down without losing. Brokers and small sellers beware have the end sales order in hand. Major issue, AMD and Nvidia at RDNA ll and Ampere MSRP on run end 3rd degree price strategy (creating an illusion of low price) changed at RDNA lll and Ada to first degree pricing not clearly annunciated. Did small resellers gte caught up in volume sellers 1st degree price adjustments holding inventory that was not already sold? Or could be sold at an application competitive price into a commercial or institutional end customer? Specific "drop in price not reflected in the shops" they have application specific prospects that can fetch a higher price and when that is supplied the price will come down. To be caught underwater taking inventory risk, well, there are procurement and best management questions on that one. The channel naturally wants 1st degree pricing and rejected AMD and Nvidia 3rd degree price at RDNA ll and Ampere BUT Nvidia did get cartelized inflated pricing under control on Ampere run end surplus release parallel the Ada price structure. To the extent that AD and RDNA ll price are held up by ends sellers covering their RDNA ll and Ampere run end loses that can be and it's a reality of holding inventory unnecessarily. First tier customers have the margin range to test for perfect price adjusting down on demand. Low volume sellers have quick access to brokers at spot pricing with sales order in hand that can be subject broker price premiums. Ultimately don't get caught with product that's not already sold. Never get caught with product at run end no one wants. "Talking about official non-NVIDIA stores that gave a lot of money up front to have the cards in stock at the previous MSRPs. What are they supposed to do now?" First tier sellers have sufficient margin to perfectly price down without losses. And if AMD and Nvidia made a clear error even through a master distributor there are typically follow on concessions for next procurements that include discounts or creative solutions like AM5 CPU + board and memory bundle what's referred to as secondary pricing. Most channel trade is secondary pricing on components and kit sold in bundles of goods spreading inventory risk around. "Who is paying the difference as the new MSRP is probably the same with the wholesale price they had to pay which was high enough already and then to sell them they had to add their profit plus the tariffs you mention raising the price to what it is (too high for consideration)." Potential revenue difference on price cuts comes out of margin and all procurements are ultimately and ideally cost priced averaged. Specific added cost, transport tariffs for example, add to price forcing the sale up to someone who will pay more subject application benefit until that segment of the market is satisfied after which prices drop and when price drops and the product is demanded supply increases until served. Resellers should not hold inventory that does not have some sort of price protection and today that is primarily on x2 margin potential subject MSRP. If margin is not enough price is raised. If margin decline is the manufacturers fault and in this case on price drops, then concessions are offered on the next purchase. For small sellers buy when you have an end sales order in hand you wont be getting the best discount but you take no inventory holding risk. mb
A 4090 should be about 600 dollars at most. Thinking 1000 is ok for a GPU shows you how much all this social engineering manipulation is working. You will be thinking paying monthly for oxygen is normal next.
Depends on where are you leaving for example in my country 4070ti is 1000€ which is insane tho best buy is rx6900 xt for 670€ i think but it consumes more power
Keep in mind US prices don't include any sales tax but most states still have them so next to no one buys GPUs at those prices. Same thing here in Canada
While watching this video I got a brilliant thought: The intel arc represents really good value but often has problems with older games. Just get a ryzen 7600 which has integrated graphics that can run gtav and pair it with an intel arc gpu. Use the intel arc for modern games and the 7600 igpu for older titles. Problem solved.
I mean that isn't really that good of a solution since the 7600 still won't preform as good as a dedicated gpu... this is why a lot of people prefer amd and nvidia gpus...
@@Ι.Κουμ the 7600 is only for older non demanding games. Like warcraft 3, StarCraft 2, Diablo 2 and whatever the old popular titles are. For anything demanding you will still have a dedicated GPU but the one from Intel.
in my country both 3060 12gb and rx 6700 xt 12 gb have the same prices, which would you recommend? in test 6700 xt performs better but honestly dont know why but im a bit closer to nvidia in heart
My main question is, when are they are going to get THIN. I am not buying a new case, I thought my 6-years old GTX 1080 was thick, but I have looked at a possible upgrade to RTX 4080, and the price is not the problem, the size is the problem.
I'm building a new computer for running real time ML models after my old laptop gave out trying to run em, so this was a good time to receive a video dossier on the state of the market. I think I'll wait for those 4060tis to come out just in case they make a difference...
Thanks for making this video. It helped me find out which budget gpu I need to play what I want to play. Likely a RX 6600 or RX 6700. Needing to upgrade my 970.
6750XT is the best value card rn. You really don't want 8gb or 10gb VRAM or you'll just have to upgrade again in 2-3 years. 6800/6800XT are the best value right now imo bc of 16gb
i instantly knew that was a 6950xt from asrock on thumbnail, because thats the gpu im gonna buy, not only its the best value by far for me at least, but it also looks rlly nice for being the cheapest 6950xt
Excellent breakdown! This confirms what I was thinking… 6950 xt vs 7900 xt for as value over the 4070 ti or 4080 for 4k gaming… I like the 7900 XT because it can put up impressive ray tracing numbers, is sloghtly better than the 6950 XT, and it’s newer tech, so future driver upgrades could make it even better, possibly even rivaling the 4080 (my preferred card if it wasn’t so expensive)??
@@MACHOx3_theRealestateGamecat 4080, 4090 or a 7900 XTX. Could go for a 7900 Xt as AFMF will be introduced into the driver levels of RDNA3 GPUs, but it's a long shot. I've seen games already use all 16GB of Vram at 4k on the 4080, but it's still a viable cheaper option.
Not upgrading anytime soon, but should I be on the lookout for RDNA 3 getting better performance over time or just go for a RDNA 2? I would prefer to stick with AMD.
Wow, this is a top tier information video about gpus, was saving some money to upgrade my cpu and gpu cus want to play the new upcoming dlc of cyberpunk 2077 in september, was thinking about a 4070ti for DLSS3, FG and better RT performance, but 12gig of vram isn't gonna be enough it appears, I don't really now if get that 4070ti or wait til next gen and save much more money :/
The best "VALUE" choice .... Maybe, the best choice is entirely dependant on your, budget, use-case for the card .... that bit is subjective... If it turns out the 3060 Ti is the best for your build that's great for you as there are always good deals around that level of card :)
just did a very fast prise check rx 7600 in US you claimed was $270 same card in UK is £561. more than two times the prise, in fact its almost always the same for every card. even an RX 570 new card in UK costs £140 and its so old i would not recommend any one buy a new one for more than £50.
Great videos as usual. If I were you I would split the price ranges into 4 or 5. 3 just is not enough IMHO ... I hope you take it as a feedback from a well-wisher.
I ordered the 6950 last night because vr performance for the 7000 series is bad for now. I quit sim racing in vr because the 3060 ti just wasn't enough to keep me from feeling bad.
I look up every GPU on the US market daily to check the lowest prices, we track these and prices do change ... Everyday. Not all at once but each one cycles through low and high prices and the overall trend is a downwards one as per the graphs shown in the series.
@@PetherGamer Normal market flow ups or downs are not significant price drops, outside of old tech. $20 or $40 off of an already overpriced GPU isn't good enough.
I don't get why people complain about the new gen GPUs when all that matter is price to performance and the actual prices of last gen are similar to what a new gen would offer for the price. Remember when people were buying the 1080ti instead of a 2080 despite the similar performance and prices ?
i want to upgrade my pc and i think i will go from my 1660s to a 6750XT or i will wait to see the new amd lineup and the price drops (4070) , should i go for a ryzen 5 5600 or a 5800x3d ? the only limitation is that i have a 650w psu.
I went from a 2060 KO to a 6750xt for budget 1440 gaming. I am quite happy with it. My last four gpu's were EVGA Nvidia. I had no issues with AMD yet, I wanted 12gb and would have bought a 4060 ti if it had 12 gb. This card should last me 2 years.
I bought my RTX 3060Ti probably at the $745 Cad. Felt like a pretty high number but, I like this card range. I've always bought the 60's cards and not the 70,80 or 90 why? Bc next gen you get the trickle down effect. I'm glad my purchase is still Prime choice 😊
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Just bought a 6950 xt any build suggestions??
A $20 drop in price is not a “plummeting of prices” bro. “
Neither is $3... But over $100 and over 25% for something like the G6X 3060 Ti would be. Let's widen the scope a little and not cherry pick so much, just for the sake of negativity. Hope you enjoyed the analysis nonetheless 👍
@@TechLens they are still to high for normal "days" that was before crypto and ai.
7900xt it would be sound more reasonable if is around 700$ max more than that is overprice în my opinion.
All Nvidia cards are still overprice and need to lower the price around 150$ for the lower and middle class.
Don't expect that consumers will buy a 8gb card on 2023...when we have 8gb from 2016...and charge extra 100$ for the "normal" card of 4060ti 16gb....
In my opinion this generation is a waste of money and don't deserved to be buyed....not in this price range that ngreedia offer..
If you are on 3000 series is not worth it to "upgrade" to 4000 they don't have any good performance only around 5-10% with fake features. For 4000 series only 4090 can be call a good upgrade but good luck buy it on 1600$.
Sure it is when origin price was 40bucks 😂
@@DarkDorelNvidia does not care.
Either you buy it at these prices or don't.
You think they make their cash with consumer gaming cards? They made as much selling cards to AI market, and that is expected to go 7-10× coming few years.
@@TechLens MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Ti SUPRIM X dropped June 29 from
$2543 -> ~$1337 (47% drop), in Denmark. They sold out fast, needless to say. However, it is still surprising, to me, that it sold out fast. Personally, I want to see Nvidia bleed before I buy their cards. It's not enough that they "go back to "normal" prices". They have been screwing us over for years now, and Jensen is fueled by greed.
Note: cards in Europe are usually listed with all taxes and so on, unlike in the states.
Talking about MSRP at this point in time for GPUs multiple years old is weird. Kinda going about this the wrong way. We should be looking at current value versus older hardware second hand market.
Agreed
Totally. I picked up a RTX3080 for £400 from ebay this weekend.
@@davapod ayyy snapped 6800xt $439 for me off eBay couple weeks ago 🤝
It was easy when it was just clock and performance. Now it's a dance with those and machine learning and other features.
@@dobermanownerforlife3902 only if you need em, buy only what you use
Thank you for the time and effort put into this. Regardless of the pros and cons from the various perspectives people have, without this content it would be very difficult to have any discussion due to a lack of actual data points. It would only be opinions. A lot like so called news outlets :)
This is the most in depth review comparing everything that Ive seen to date. Great work mate. Cheers!
Great video! Have ever done a "what should you pay" kind of video? This is mostly to do with used gpus. What I mean is the 1660s and ti's are 120 to 170 respectively is that a good value for the age of the card kind of thing?
If it helps I still use a GTX 1660ti in my system ... hell it even ran Halo Infinite, albeit on low settings 😅 I bought it maybe 3 or 4 years ago at around 300-400GBP so it sounds like a price somewhat consistent with its age
Nvidia burned gamers twice with cryptomining and now AI. People still keep buying from them. Maybe burn them 3 times before they understand.
Nvidia has the cheapest budget card worth getting. RTX 3060 12 GB The rest are garbage. All hail Jensen.
@@yonghominale8884 If you're buying an 3060 12gb how do you justify not finding an extra $30 and getting a 6700xt? 10% more price, 30-40% more performance. And don't say RT, cause you're not turning on RT with anything in that class.
I still think the gpu market is ripping us off.
These big tech companies are not your friend.
Very happy with my new RX 6950XT, I ignore ray tracing games or use upscaling, just like the RTX 4070 would.
For all non-ray tracing games the RX 6950 XT gives better performance, even when undervolted, so power consumption difference is a lot smaller than you might think.
AMD is not praised enough for it fr, they are the go to option for multiplayer performance wich rarely uses any of that rtx tech
RTX is meh, I think the big huge leap in graphics will be path tracing and I think its still 2-5 years away. Not sure I'd ever use DLSS 3 frame generation and FSR is close enough to DLSS 2 for me. I dunno, guess I'm just an old school rasterization guy. All the other stuff just seems like ammo for sales guys.
You can get an Rtx 3090 for about $650 used and its at HALF the price you have it at on here.
It's a couple years old, but it has 10.4k shading units with 24 Gb of VRAM and a used one would put it at a similar value to the Rx 6950 Xt at $6.70 ish, per frame.
The USED market ROCKS. You can get some amazing deals.
Exactly, no one is paying $1200+ for a brand new 3090 in 2023
well i would rather buy a brand new 6950 than a used for the same price and i have done it actually just recently because the used market is overvaluing their old overpriced equipment. For me to consider it a good deal used 3090 would need to be around 400 otherwise i wont buy someone elses old junk. Also most are pricing their used 3090 far more than 650 lol
you're actually just completely clueless
@@DanielTowatt no this time was for me the first time to buy new, because people can`t just grasp that what they bought 6 months ago for 1200 is now 400 worth used. Maybe you are among those people. It is very hard to get good deals nowadays at least where i am at
damn i just checked my used market, and yeah 3090 goes for 650 euros here in eastern europe... insane deal
Glad to see that I didn't overpay for an open box 6750 XT Powercolor Red Devil edition at microcenter last weekend. Picked it up for 350 bucks!
I wish there was a MC in my city
You should be proud of this video. It was fantastic. Good stuff man (subbed)
3060 12GB here (first build).
The performance changes from game to game but I can happily say I game in 1440p with High Settings and can run Assetto on a 4K TV at 70fps.
Great card.
Will only upgrade next gen for a full 4K one. Market options are not compelling yet.
currently and possibly in near future 4k is not worth it as the visual difference is not nearly as big as with going from 1080 to 1440p
Wow, your work here is very impressive.
Great informative video once again 💪🥰. These uploads are awesome for those in the pc space or new to it imo…… especially considering the current flustercuck of a GPU market we’re in ….. and been in for years now 💩🤦🤦♂🤦♀.
Awesome work, thanks for that video!
This is great video man thank you
This awesome dude! Love that you're keep this up! Waiting for those RTX 4090s to drop to a reasonable price.
Subbed . . Thank you for this ^_^
Keep in mind that Intel's video encoders are also much better in terms of quality and efficiency than those of Nvidia and AMD. So if you need AV1 encoding because you stream or want to reduce the size of your porn collection, Intel's Arc GPUs are actually a very compelling option.
they're all on par with each other really doesn't matter most people have the storage and bandwidth to put off any offset.
😂😂😂
@@UKKNGaming the actual bitrate and quality does improve with intel's AV1. It's not too good at most other tasks, but the AV1 on intel has had a couple comparisons and it just looks better.
Do you mean encoders in IGPU of intel too?
Best of both worlds: rx 6600 + a380
With this video u gain my sub and my like.
VERY well done mate
Good work! I find this video to give better recommendation than similar videos I watched...
My god this video is crazy good! Compliments!
I bought my MSI RTX 3060 Ti VENTUS 2X OCV1 LHR brand new and sealed from my friend for $400 CAD a week back, which is $110 CAD lower than the cheapest new model in Canada and even $49 cheaper than the Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 3060 Ti LHR 8 GB (which is the cheapest 3060Ti) in Canada.
I'm incredibly happy with it and at 1080p, I have no real desire or need to upgrade for the next 2-4 years.
I just purchased an RX 6950 XT from Newegg for $599. 😊$645 with tax. Also it came with a full boat version of Starfield so quite the bargain. Can't wait till it arrives on Monday
6900 XT starts to look attractive. Got a 6700 XT as a budget solution but I would like more 4K horsepower.
the 6900xt is indeed a nice card as i have one myself. You might want to look at 6950xt if your not going to buy second hand as they are a decent price new , or go latest gen with the falling 7900xt and get even more horsies!
6950xt is ludicrously cheap right now, same price as a 4070 ti here in England and a much better card
Im runnin a gen 1 Ryzen 😂 with a 980, would a need an all new build to properly use a 6900?
@@profpigeon5441 oh yeah you'd be heavily CPU bottlenecked
@@profpigeon5441 Get a R5 5600 or something similar :)
Finally!! A Video with imortant relavent information. Well done dude. Keep it up and thanks.
Thanks for your video👍 For creators, the real performance maybe different. 3D production is way better and more stable in RTX4000 series even for video editing. It’s surprisingly good compared to 3000 series even. For gaming, this video really makes sense.
I went from an asus rog 1660ti three fan version to an rtx 3060 12 gig version, about a year ago. Fills all my needs and very happy with the purchase. Do i need a 4090? Not at the msrp price. Go with what you can afford! I am 67 now and retired so 2000 dollars for a new got to have gpu is not in the budget!
That money would be better served being cash apped to me to pay these bills
great data and presentation here, but i do agree with the other commenters that there's not really a point in discussing the msrp of 3-year old cards. that's my only gripe though, otherwise good stuff!
I recently sold my Asus TUF 3070 8GB OC for $325 and got Gigabyte 3080Ti 12GB OC for $470; initially was looking at 4070 but that would have cost me few hundreds more. Think I am good to go for another 1-2 years now.
How you get a 3080 to for that cheap? Im not sure if buying used gpu is safe
@@anthonymejia7099 Well, it is working well and with further OC on it. I had 3 days to check and now have been using for several weeks, no issues at all.
Love US prices, it’s 30-50 % more in eu
How the hell can the previous gen 60 class card still be 320 bucks!
Thank you so much for all your hard work and effort this is so helpful, gained another sub from me 👍🤘
All prices in this video are so low, in Poland rtx4060ti cost around 500$ and rx6800 around 590$, rtx4070 something between 700 and 850$, and 3060ti you can gat for ~450$. Im planning to buy rx6800 soon
This is an absolutely amazing analysis, Thank you so much
I had an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti, and it overheated, so I bought a new one installed it and the fans ran for about one minute. I contacted NVIDIA, and they told me the fans should run constantly (not run on variable speed) there is no software to change the speed. Swapped the power supply, same thing, so I just installed a 5 dollar USB fan under the card, so far so good. Has anyone else had this problem?
just picked up the Hellhound 7900xtx for $700.......
There's still nothing to buy until the 4070 get under 500.
Riddle me this @Techlens
Considering how MSRP for a 4080 is still 1500 to 1800€ in Greece, i am wondering this:
Are retailers getting a return of investment every time NVIDIA drops its MSRP?
Because to my understanding, they bought them at some price considering a margin of profit for them to resell them and then the cost drops to a point where, what are the resellers supposed to do? Chop their profit and sell close to MSRP? Send them back and request them again so they get them at a better price?
Is it me, or the luckiest of the retailers are those who did NOT purchase cards at release and can now buy them in the new MSRPs and have them sold at 10-20% off from those who pioneered in investing in new and adequate stock? 🤔
Will NVIDIA now get hated by retailers too for cutting their MSRP, as much as it is hated in the gaming community?
There is no such thing as a scalper only application competitive perfect price. When the cards are held up in price that is because there are 'segment by segment' commercial and professional buyers still demanding what supply there is in that region. Greece, well, the closer sellers are to export restricted regions another reason for higher card prices that began at Ampere on consumer cards relied for commercial and institutional use. Another issue are the in region transport tariffs and I'm not specifically referring to customs duties that do exist, what I am really referring to is gray market sales distribution taking a cut of the cards in a shipment for regional access; no hand a pallet of cards over for country access, no access and that raises card prices and has been at a very high level of abuse in the last three years the sales distribution system is financially very leaky. Specific resellers that procure cards and then on a price drop are left underwater. Not exactly the way its working currently, but yes brokers can get caught under water on a procurement purchase price over time that was primarily associated with RDNA ll and Ampere MSRPs set by AMD and Nvidia at what is referred to as 3rd degree discriminatory pricing that is actually a run end price regulator pulled ahead in the supply schedule and in the second half of 2021 and all through 2023 sellers said no and priced at what is called 1st degree pricing which seeks the highest price per unit on demand and supply. Economically specific production the first cards cost = price and the last card produced price = cost and that is where a design producer or sellers does not want to be caught at run end when production price on production volume economies, supply and demand reach P = C. Currently RDNA lll are 1st degree priced and the channel searches for price equilibrium on price drops this happens in CPUs also but the price drops are contained to no less than quarterly subject warranty return time frames. Nvidia Ada 4090 FE $1599 is a regulating price cap deployed by Nvidia to prevent inflated pricing but FE as a taper equals only 10% of AIB desktop production volume. FE regulating caps has pulled some AIB models closer but there are higher end more fully featured cards selling for $1800 and more which are a cost : price / margin support for full line cost : price margin concessions everything in the end is cost : price / margin averaged. 4080/70ti are 1st degree priced and 4070 is 3rd degree priced. 4060_ well, 60_ at $299 is price at cost. You mentioned 4080 and he cost to produce a 4080 is $643.58 leaving $555.42 in margin potential if the AIB sells direct. Whether the AIB splits that margin with sales distribution channel is always in question on OpEx and CapEx recovery sustaining design production. End sellers can easily add + 30% which brings a 4080 up to the price of a 4090 FE but still under the 4090 AIB card that sells for $1800. On production marginal cost decline for Nvidia AD peak production is now through q3 and through a producer's 'cost' ramp price will be held up but beginning in q4 into q1 2024 price moves to what is called 'consumer supply elastic' that prices cards manufactured through run down, the last 40% of any production run, down in price on amount of surplus, overage supply, and this is when you will see Ada price and RDNA ll dropping. AD 120 4080ti is also expected q4 into q1 and that will push 4080 under $1000 and drag 4090 low end less full featured cards down minimally $200 so price drops in time. What will really be affected is RDNA ll that is already selling close to cost and Ampere which will continuing come down in price until reaching cost. So the question of sales distribution buying and then getting caught is the result of bad procurement choices because when selling to a commercial customer you usually have the sale in hand and extorted transport tariffs are a big issue, but in time, all prices decline and what I feel is a good purchase strategy, the one I rely, is always to buy at run end and never get ripped off for an inflated price of early adoption hardware / software instability issue. mb
@@mikebruzzone9570 my friend.. i don't disagree with what you are saying but it's not answering my question. I am putting my self in the shoes of official retailers and try to see these price drops from their perspective.
At the beginning of my comment i say "Considering that the price is STILL 1500" and by that i meant (sorry if i didn't make it clear) that although the MSRP is dropping, that is not getting reflected in the shops.
The question is : If it was to be reflected, i as a user would be happier but would that be true for the shops too? I am not talking about scalpers anyway.. Talking about official non-NVIDIA stores that gave a lot of money up front to have the cards in stock at the previous MSRPs. What are they supposed to do now?Who is paying the difference as the new MSRP is probably the same with the wholesale price they had to pay which was high enough already and then to sell them they had to add their profit plus the tariffs you mention raising the price to what it is (too high for consideration).
@@Achilleas7 RDNA III was first degree priced going in and u needed the full margin to play the game of finding right price. I gave example at 4080 u need the full $555 margin spilt by the AIB with volume sellers otherwise if you add on top of that have a final sales order in hand. Prices are fair for profit maximizers on production costs albeit the new designs have some performance issues associated Navi 31 GCD to MCD latency and 32 TSMC 6 nm not truly understood yet I would say and the AD slim bus that large L2 does not seem to resolve for AD 104/6/7 mobile in desktop implementations affecting card price performance.
Original pricing was fair on marginal cost = marginal revenue x2 volume sellers are finding the rational price for performance subject design considerations. That comes from their margin built in from the manufacturer or master distributor or otherwise.
That some AIBs offer more pricey cards at any grade SKU supports that grade SKU category 90/80/70/60 average price across the stack; full line cost : price margin usually the mid shelf cards on cost : price margin subject greater volume subsidize top and bottom shelf product price. Top shelf margin can pay for mid shelf but rarely do because the volume of mid shelf is more and the price premium supporting top shelf is small enough to hide across mid shelf volume.
4090 FE regulating price cap worked. 4080/70ti 1st degree price minor adjustments down for 4080 and 70ti stable. 4060 for $299, 7600 for $269 are at or near price = cost. Adjustments down are on the performance questions subject design questions. Pricing started out okay on production and channels are testing for the right price on card performance and competitive alternatives are primary back generation run end surplus.
During producers ramp small volume sellers have to have the application perfect sales and purchase order in hand. Price on utility value to the end customer has to meet their ROI requirement; segment by segment application competitive price and that can mean greater than MSRP for end buyers who want basically HPC first dibs and get it by paying for it before others who a on their needs are only willing to pay less.
Noteworthy in the CPU market the cadence of price drops a quarter.
AMD and Nvidia desktop dGPU 30 day $100 cuts through volume sellers created an 'pen box' inventory buffer ala auto dealer lease and rent-a-car affiliate manufacturer inventory cache to create one price rung down as a buffer zone prejudices small sellers controlled by volume sellers. An interesting after effect we'll see how it plays out primarily against back generation new surplus and secondary.
4090 FE at $1599 as a regulating cap no reseller was screwed by that on 4090 FE access and allocation and subject procurement from AIB starting at end sale $2700 and now $1800 u need to know what u r getting into on 1st degree application perfect pricing. Consulting VARs and design install SIs do. Otherwise, VARs and design build know what the customer's ROI is on commercial procurement need at the time of sale.
Volume sellers have the margin to price down without incurring a loss. Vermeer R5K, Raphael R7K and Raptor Alder desktop are good examples of products with sufficient margin and performance to be priced down over time.
When an established end sales outlet in the distribution chain gets stuck on sales loses not of their making solution at producer's ramp is an ever deeper buy in too cost : price average out prior loss. This changes for run down volume purchases and bundled sales close incentive where the first question has to be can I make a profit wrapping a product around a dGPU or CPU near run end or not when undervalued by the ultimate end buyer. If that answer is no don't buy it or take it (freebie) or warp a product around it and/ or broker if off to someone else quickly. Holding unwanted inventory at run end can be a game of musical chairs.
Suppliers will traditionally make concessions associated next procurements when the prior was less than a square deal but you have to know what u r getting into as a broker or end sales outlet. Low volume sellers have sales order in hand. Parts are not procured until the system or system order is in hand getting next seller up in the distribution chain to take on the inventory holding risk.
Overall many did not understand AMD and Nvidia moved from RDNA ll and Ampere 3rd degree run end regulating so said MSRP (fake PR price) to RDNA lll and Ada 1st degree application perfect price relying on channel, deepest margin holders to find the right price. I've been after PC media and tech tube to explain this for three quarters its a cross practice void in the communications system not comprehending or willing to articulate the price change outside so said 'bad price' coming off of 2023 cartelized supply and inflated price. RDNA lll and Ada are fair priced on application need subject profit maximization to recovery OpEx and make some CapEx albeit some performance design flaws affected new card price more than lack of demand. PC product sales in the channel are robust between new and used there is no slowdown in sales when you add used.
Current generation GPU price improves over Ampere and RDNA ll cartel 18 month inflated price that RDNA lll and Ada 1st degree pricing attempt to resolve and curtail parallel RDNA ll and Ampere overage attempting to offer a range of GPUs priced for all tastes and preferences.
4080 and 4070ti are like 7900XT_ 1st degree priced and there have seen minor adjustments down for 4080 $100 and its selling and no one seems a looser among Nvidia' 'Pareto' customer base controlling theoretically 80% of the desktop supply. 4070ti price has also been relatively stable. 7090XT has had deeper adjustments down but volume retail had the margin to adjust down without losing. Brokers and small sellers beware have the end sales order in hand.
Major issue, AMD and Nvidia at RDNA ll and Ampere MSRP on run end 3rd degree price strategy (creating an illusion of low price) changed at RDNA lll and Ada to first degree pricing not clearly annunciated. Did small resellers gte caught up in volume sellers 1st degree price adjustments holding inventory that was not already sold? Or could be sold at an application competitive price into a commercial or institutional end customer?
Specific "drop in price not reflected in the shops" they have application specific prospects that can fetch a higher price and when that is supplied the price will come down. To be caught underwater taking inventory risk, well, there are procurement and best management questions on that one. The channel naturally wants 1st degree pricing and rejected AMD and Nvidia 3rd degree price at RDNA ll and Ampere BUT Nvidia did get cartelized inflated pricing under control on Ampere run end surplus release parallel the Ada price structure. To the extent that AD and RDNA ll price are held up by ends sellers covering their RDNA ll and Ampere run end loses that can be and it's a reality of holding inventory unnecessarily.
First tier customers have the margin range to test for perfect price adjusting down on demand. Low volume sellers have quick access to brokers at spot pricing with sales order in hand that can be subject broker price premiums. Ultimately don't get caught with product that's not already sold. Never get caught with product at run end no one wants.
"Talking about official non-NVIDIA stores that gave a lot of money up front to have the cards in stock at the previous MSRPs. What are they supposed to do now?"
First tier sellers have sufficient margin to perfectly price down without losses. And if AMD and Nvidia made a clear error even through a master distributor there are typically follow on concessions for next procurements that include discounts or creative solutions like AM5 CPU + board and memory bundle what's referred to as secondary pricing. Most channel trade is secondary pricing on components and kit sold in bundles of goods spreading inventory risk around.
"Who is paying the difference as the new MSRP is probably the same with the wholesale price they had to pay which was high enough already and then to sell them they had to add their profit plus the tariffs you mention raising the price to what it is (too high for consideration)."
Potential revenue difference on price cuts comes out of margin and all procurements are ultimately and ideally cost priced averaged. Specific added cost, transport tariffs for example, add to price forcing the sale up to someone who will pay more subject application benefit until that segment of the market is satisfied after which prices drop and when price drops and the product is demanded supply increases until served.
Resellers should not hold inventory that does not have some sort of price protection and today that is primarily on x2 margin potential subject MSRP. If margin is not enough price is raised. If margin decline is the manufacturers fault and in this case on price drops, then concessions are offered on the next purchase. For small sellers buy when you have an end sales order in hand you wont be getting the best discount but you take no inventory holding risk.
mb
Man, you are the most underrated tech tuber ive ever seen.
If the rtx 4090 was around 1000€ i wouldnt hesitate to buy it, but for now the 6950x and 7900xt(x) are the best options for me
1000€ is an insane price for a GPU.
A 4090 should be about 600 dollars at most. Thinking 1000 is ok for a GPU shows you how much all this social engineering manipulation is working. You will be thinking paying monthly for oxygen is normal next.
Depends on where are you leaving for example in my country 4070ti is 1000€ which is insane tho best buy is rx6900 xt for 670€ i think but it consumes more power
I got the 6950xt and Its pretty sweet.
Nvidia dropped prices. where?
Not in Canada I know that, RTX 4090 is still $2,500 :/
I have never seen a 4070 ti below 1k. So I'm guessing these prices are ONLY for the Americas.
They barely go under $799
It is painful to watch all these US prices as a european
Keep in mind US prices don't include any sales tax but most states still have them so next to no one buys GPUs at those prices. Same thing here in Canada
I am not seeing any plummeting prices maybe 10% at the most rtx 4070 is still over $1000 where i live not worth it.
I just bought a RX 7900 XT Hellhound from Micro Center for $700 ($900 msrp). Im gonna build it this weekend.
While watching this video I got a brilliant thought:
The intel arc represents really good value but often has problems with older games.
Just get a ryzen 7600 which has integrated graphics that can run gtav and pair it with an intel arc gpu.
Use the intel arc for modern games and the 7600 igpu for older titles.
Problem solved.
Will the Ryzen 7600 run Skyrim and other games like 6+ years old and most of my Nintendo emulation without owning a GPU at all?
I mean that isn't really that good of a solution since the 7600 still won't preform as good as a dedicated gpu... this is why a lot of people prefer amd and nvidia gpus...
@@Ι.Κουμ the 7600 is only for older non demanding games. Like warcraft 3, StarCraft 2, Diablo 2 and whatever the old popular titles are.
For anything demanding you will still have a dedicated GPU but the one from Intel.
in my country both 3060 12gb and rx 6700 xt 12 gb have the same prices, which would you recommend?
in test 6700 xt performs better but honestly dont know why but im a bit closer to nvidia in heart
My main question is, when are they are going to get THIN. I am not buying a new case, I thought my 6-years old GTX 1080 was thick, but I have looked at a possible upgrade to RTX 4080, and the price is not the problem, the size is the problem.
This is such an amazing analysis. Thanks!
I'm building a new computer for running real time ML models after my old laptop gave out trying to run em, so this was a good time to receive a video dossier on the state of the market. I think I'll wait for those 4060tis to come out just in case they make a difference...
Hey man, thanks for helping out budget gamers!
My old ass 1070ti would like to get an upgrade, any suggestions for gpu, cpu combo? Perhaps a motherboard as well?
Thanks for making this video. It helped me find out which budget gpu I need to play what I want to play. Likely a RX 6600 or RX 6700. Needing to upgrade my 970.
6750XT is the best value card rn. You really don't want 8gb or 10gb VRAM or you'll just have to upgrade again in 2-3 years. 6800/6800XT are the best value right now imo bc of 16gb
i instantly knew that was a 6950xt from asrock on thumbnail, because thats the gpu im gonna buy, not only its the best value by far for me at least, but it also looks rlly nice for being the cheapest 6950xt
In my country 1 yr old used 3080ti is $450 .Has 2 years warranty left . Is it worth buying in 2023 ?
Excellent breakdown! This confirms what I was thinking… 6950 xt vs 7900 xt for as value over the 4070 ti or 4080 for 4k gaming… I like the 7900 XT because it can put up impressive ray tracing numbers, is sloghtly better than the 6950 XT, and it’s newer tech, so future driver upgrades could make it even better, possibly even rivaling the 4080 (my preferred card if it wasn’t so expensive)??
Do not get the 4070 Ti for 4k.
@@renoui K, thanks
@@renouiwhat card should I get if I just want to play games in 4k?
@@MACHOx3_theRealestateGamecat 4080, 4090, 7900 xtx
@@MACHOx3_theRealestateGamecat 4080, 4090 or a 7900 XTX. Could go for a 7900 Xt as AFMF will be introduced into the driver levels of RDNA3 GPUs, but it's a long shot. I've seen games already use all 16GB of Vram at 4k on the 4080, but it's still a viable cheaper option.
RX6800 and RX6800XT is great value atm imo..
ESPECIALLY used.
Such beasts of GPU's..
AND come with 16GB of VRAM..
And you can have it for like 400$..
6950xt is pretty nice, too.
Hands down, probably the best and most indepth review I have seen. Thanks for that, so so good.
maybe i missed when you explained but , i would like to know that these tests are made on ddr4 high mhz or ddr5?
Your “line” graphs are way too busy. Reduce the number of data points. The bar graphs are awesome.
does jawa do transactions with people from other countries? like for example my country (philippines)?
Not upgrading anytime soon, but should I be on the lookout for RDNA 3 getting better performance over time or just go for a RDNA 2? I would prefer to stick with AMD.
Get a 7900xt but only if you really really need to upgrade, otherwise just wait for next year
The RTX 4090 still goes for $2,500 here in Canada :/ Well above MSRP
Just drive across the border bro
@@NZIGNANTIspend 500 to drive across the border to save 500 dollars. Makes sense
@@jordankelly4684 Get citizenship?
i have a 1080. im looking for a worthy upgrade. im looking at 3070. what do you guys think
Will my R9 5900X be ok for my RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition for 4K gaming?
what's the best option for video editing and productivity mainly.... 3060ti GDDR6X or 4070?????????
Wow, this is a top tier information video about gpus, was saving some money to upgrade my cpu and gpu cus want to play the new upcoming dlc of cyberpunk 2077 in september, was thinking about a 4070ti for DLSS3, FG and better RT performance, but 12gig of vram isn't gonna be enough it appears, I don't really now if get that 4070ti or wait til next gen and save much more money :/
Have a working GPU then save for now.
Would i be bottlenecked with a r9 3900x and something like a 6950 xt or 7900 xt ? Thanks for the in depth Video !
I thought this would comment more on the newer/mid to high end cards. I’ve also not seen a 7900 xtx that low in the UK
so, 3060ti is best choice for mid range gpu for new pc build right now?not 4060ti?
The best "VALUE" choice .... Maybe, the best choice is entirely dependant on your, budget, use-case for the card .... that bit is subjective... If it turns out the 3060 Ti is the best for your build that's great for you as there are always good deals around that level of card :)
7900 XT for $760? Which store?
i just bought a 4070 ti for 650€ used in germany.
good deal?
If it works, yes. I can't find it anywhere for less than 839.
Awesome deal, if i can find one in Spain at that price I'll buy straight away
just did a very fast prise check rx 7600 in US you claimed was $270 same card in UK is £561. more than two times the prise, in fact its almost always the same for every card. even an RX 570 new card in UK costs £140 and its so old i would not recommend any one buy a new one for more than £50.
Great videos as usual. If I were you I would split the price ranges into 4 or 5. 3 just is not enough IMHO ... I hope you take it as a feedback from a well-wisher.
I ordered the 6950 last night because vr performance for the 7000 series is bad for now. I quit sim racing in vr because the 3060 ti just wasn't enough to keep me from feeling bad.
Good Stuff!
prices dropped in every country besides in Sweden because stores here doesn't give a shit.
Don't see any price drops. I keep seeing these vids say this but no. Prices have not changed that I see. Maybe old stuff.
I look up every GPU on the US market daily to check the lowest prices, we track these and prices do change ... Everyday. Not all at once but each one cycles through low and high prices and the overall trend is a downwards one as per the graphs shown in the series.
@@PetherGamer Normal market flow ups or downs are not significant price drops, outside of old tech. $20 or $40 off of an already overpriced GPU isn't good enough.
Is the “Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB Aero OC” worth it for $730 (that’s what it costs in Sweden)?
The MSRP for older gen cards is pointless.
I don't think so. There are people like myself who won't buy used GPUs... Or any PC cart that could be overclocked.
I don't get why people complain about the new gen GPUs when all that matter is price to performance and the actual prices of last gen are similar to what a new gen would offer for the price. Remember when people were buying the 1080ti instead of a 2080 despite the similar performance and prices ?
Open box at micro center is your friend. I just picked up a 4080 for 700 bucks.
Outstanding video.
Most of these are now over MSRP. The 6950 for example is all over the place from $650 ish over $1300
I just bought a 6950xt off amazon for $630. Can’t wait to get it and try it out
@@kdub8285 did you get the ASRock? The MSI are outrages.
Where to you find a 24GB rx 6950 xt for 600 dollars?
Power draw and heat are also a big factor.
To who?
@@NZIGNANTI SFF
Planning on doing a build with the ryzen 5 3600 and the rx 6600 xt or the rtx 2060 super I don't know which to switch
7900xt is the best value right now.
Guys I want to replace my 2080ti with a new gpu. What do you suggest?? My cpu is 11600kf.
i'm looking to buy a rx 7900 xtx with a r7 7800x3d, what do you guys think?
the crypto runup of prices gave the video card makers a good dose of GREED.
When we consider MSRP has been extremely inflated, seems a piss poor thing to go by, especially since they've lied about 4070 etc..
i want to upgrade my pc and i think i will go from my 1660s to a 6750XT or i will wait to see the new amd lineup and the price drops (4070) , should i go for a ryzen 5 5600 or a 5800x3d ? the only limitation is that i have a 650w psu.
5800x3d. Also, 5600x3d is around the corner...
@@dreadlock17 really ? i thought 5800X3D is the last AM4 cpu
Running a 6700xt with a 520w PSU here, you''ll be fine
I went from a 2060 KO to a 6750xt for budget 1440 gaming. I am quite happy with it. My last four gpu's were EVGA Nvidia. I had no issues with AMD yet, I wanted 12gb and would have bought a 4060 ti if it had 12 gb. This card should last me 2 years.
Jawa means lover in Tagalog. ☺️
Wise choice sir. Don't wait too long otherwise you risk to miss the train. 7800xt is soon due for release.
Should i buy a 3080 ti second handed for 400?
Absolutely. Im planning to buy one myself unless any other attractive AMD deals arise on the 2nd hand market.
I just bought my powercolor rx 7900 xtx and it is AWESOME! It runs cool to!
I bought my RTX 3060Ti probably at the $745 Cad. Felt like a pretty high number but, I like this card range. I've always bought the 60's cards and not the 70,80 or 90 why? Bc next gen you get the trickle down effect. I'm glad my purchase is still Prime choice 😊
That price was probably inflated $300
You got scammed bro 😭
@@kevinlow69420 yup!
I just bought an RX 6700 XT for $440 CAD. It blows the 3060ti and the 4060ti out of the water.