Well done. I have just found your channel and am loving your videos. I’m now training for my first 100km and find your content really helpful. I am nervous of the 100km and finding it hard to slow down for the longer distance, my goal is just to finish within the 24hr timeframe. I recently finished a marathon in 3:13 and am carrying on my training with much more hill work 😬
Congrats on racing a marathon (and talking to the camera, it adds to the difficulty!) It seems like a nice wide and flat course, would have been even better it if was a more crowded event so you could have found yourself a pack of runners! I wish you to achieve your sub 3 hour goal this year!
You made it look easy mate 😂 You've convinced me that I've made the right decision to go for an ultra rather than a marathon. You still got a good time here though 👍🏻🏃♂️
Haha, far from easy 😂 You've definitely made the right decision! Just focus on getting your pacing right for the ultra and you'll love it. Thanks Mark!
Great to meet you too Ryan. Looks like you've done some epic ultras! Yeah despite the PB, this marathon didn't exactly go to plan but a good reminder of how hard fast marathons are.
Great video and amazing running James. As you say, this was a test to see where the marathon fitness was in terms of your sub-3 goal, so it seems you did right to push yourself hard. Also, no better place to do it than at Goodwood, by the looks of it. I may have to sign up to run a marathon there too, some time, just to test the boundaries a bit...
Thanks Paul! I'd definitely recommend it as an event. Just got to prepare to run much of the race solo unless you find someone on the start line going for the same goal. Hope your training is going well since the Hurtwood 50k.
I’ve been there mate, thinking everything is going to plan, then it hits you 😩. I had the same experience in the Majorca marathon last year at 25km in 😫. Well done for digging deep though, and 3:20 is still a great time !
Thanks! Yeah, I guess it is to be expected with fast marathon attempts... It's not going to be perfect every time! Your Goodwood marathon video was great for knowing what to expect going into the race. Always nice seeing the course in advance!
Well done on toughing it out, still a great time. You seemed to be on your own for most of it, maybe a bigger race with ore runners around your pace to run with would be easier?
Great running ! I’m doing Manchester marathon in April. First ever! Aiming for 3:45 tho all the calculators say I can go 3:30 based on my 1/2 marathon, 10k and 5k times. Not sure what to do really? Especially as I have no experience of marathons. I fear the wall!
Good luck at Manchester! Not long now. Hope the training is going well! I'd definitely recommend going for 3:45. I based my pace for Goodwood off the calculators and I should have probably gone 5-10 seconds slower at the start. As it's your first marathon, going conservative on pace will make a huge difference. Also make sure you have some running gels. My lack of nutrition in my first marathon was my other big mistake. The wall typically happens when people run out of carbohydrates after 2-3 hours.
Congrats!!! Really well done. Great time. Would you recommend that marathon or did it become mind numbing running the same loop each time and running past the finish line so often. Can’t decide if it’s genius or madness! 😂
Thanks! I actually didn't find the loops as bad as expected. The loops were big enough that it wasn't too bad. I think the biggest challenge was the lack of other runners at my pace. Would have loved some other runners to keep me company and keep me on pace during the low moments.
Thanks John! Yeah, I'm trying to learn colour correction in Lightroom and davinci resolve but it's such a difficult skill to develop. For my videos I've been using Niklas Christl's LUTs. There are pretty expensive compared to most LUTs but I'm a big fan of his channel and quite like the pastel colours. Also his LUT pack included quite a large number of styles which is nice to have. When I first got them, I used them in a bit of a heavy handed way.. like the Maverick Ultra video. I've got a workflow now where I do exposure, saturation, contrast and sharpness adjustments, then add the LUT at about 40-60% strength and then modify the colours if needed. Definitely a skill to work on! I did look at some other LUT options such as Peter McKinnon, Danny Gevirtz and Matti haapoja but ended up going with Niklas' pack. They definitely make the process of colour grading easier when learning!
@@jamesday1 that’s brilliant thanks for the comprehensive reply mate I’ll definitely check them out. It makes such a difference to a video getting the grade right. I like the pastel grade on this vid. Good luck with the channel mate you’ve definitely got what it takes 🤘🏻
Hey. Sorry things didn't go according to plan. 3.20 is still an impressive time to my mind given your vo2max. I must say I was curious whether or not you'd overestimated your potential for the marathon pb, given your vo2max, but very much lacking experience myself I was also kind of hoping you'd pull it off and show me wrong. I'm looking forward to your analysis and data of the day. What was your fuelling strategy? I did my one and only marathon pb attempt last spring in similar conditions as yours, with a vo2max of 52 at the time I believe, and ended up with 3.39 on slightly negative split second half. I don't think I could've gone much faster. I did 2L with 10 scoops of Tailwind for fuelling and didn't feel any lack of energy - felt totally comfortable for 30k, then a quite rapid onset of plain aerobic and muscular fatigue the last 10k. Hence why I'm wondering about your fuelling - your seem to be quite talented when it comes to your aerobic and muscular endurance given your ultra achievements. Or maybe it's just as simple as you going out at a slightly too high pace? I think I'd be capable of a sub 3.30 with better preparation of my top end speed, but not much more than that. I got my vo2max up to 55 last autumn before my training was interrupted. So again, 3.20 is definitely something to be proud of I'd say. You'll pace the next one more wisely and shave a few minutes off and finish with a stronger sense of having extracted close to the maximum that your conditioning and genetic potential allows for! 🤘💪
Thanks Kristoffer! Yeah, still happy to bag a PB. My fuelling seemed to go pretty well. 6 Maurten gels - one every 30 minutes which seems like the top end of what most people can manage. It's hard to tell exactly what went wrong. VDOT/running calculators all pointed towards 3:05 fitness. I think that maybe 5/10 seconds slower per KM in the first half would have led to a 3:12 - 3:15 marathon. I was definitely targeting a time which was close to my max potential (even if I didn't quite realise it) which for a marathon is always a risky approach. I've got a marathon in April but doubt I'll go for a PB attempt. Maybe save myself for a big marathon attempt in Nov/Dec - Give myself time to focus on the 100 miler, recover and have a solid training block for another attempt. Definitely some work to do!
@@jamesday1 Do you think that if you'd eased up on the pace a bit ("5/10 secs slower") in the first half, you would have kept a consistent pace to the end? I'm targeting a specific time in August and I'm afraid that I'll fall apart in the second half through over-reaching. I don't have enough experience to know whether 5-10 secs slower on the pace will save me. Like Kristoffer, I'm solid for 30k and despite decent fueling, I experience sudden fatigue that I can't overcome. Thanks for sharing your race experience.
Yeah, I think 5/10 seconds per km would have made a huge difference. For context my average pace for the whole race was 4:45, despite running a 1:35 first half and 1:45 second half. I think if I had started at 4:35/4:40 pace, I would have been able to negative split and run quite a bit faster than 3:20:20. Even if you have a specific time goal, you might want to run the first half slightly slower than your goal pace. If your fitness is at the right level for that race, you should be able to run the second half faster. The running calculators like McMillan Running will give you a guide pace off your half/10k PBs, but they assume you're highly conditioned for the marathon distance. The calculators said I should be able to run 3:05. So definitely take their predictions with a pinch of salt. Obviously the faster you are at the shorter distances, then the bigger buffer you have for a specific target marathon pace. Also if you can run 30k, you'd be surprised at how easy it is to run 42km if you slow down by 1-2 minutes per km. The challenge is running a marathon fast, rather than just simply running a marathon in distance. When training for ultra's, I'll often do marathon long runs in my training at 6-7mins/km and find them quite comfortable. Hopefully this helps!
@@jamesday1 looking at your strava of the run now, I'd change my previous answer regarding getting a Hr strap and say I'd definitely want to get one if I were you, as if the data is actually correct and not a bad wrist hr reading, doing k's at 180-185bpm within the first 10ks should've probably indicated that you where clearly going too hot? Or do you have a high maxhr/lactate threshold? Anyway, I don't mean to criticise or be a smart ass. I think you pulled off a really impressive effort either way. I'm just fascinated by the science of pacing and these metrics. I actually have a stryd pod too that I'm still learning how to use (you mentioned wanting to going all in on trying to find ways to improve). Pacing and training by power does seem to make a lot of sense to me, given that you feed it with high quality input values with regular "calibration efforts". Fun fact - I wore the stryd during my marathon pb attempt and my actual average wattage of the run was identical with the percentage of my calculated critical power that was recommended for a marathon effort - even though I didn't use it for pacing at all. I figure that says something about the algoritm they're using for their power calculations and predictions for what kind of power you can hold for different durations 🤓👍
Ahh so I never look at heart rate during a race. Stress and adrenaline cause hr to increase on race day but don’t necessarily harm performance. Then mentally, hr reads are a quick way to mess with your mindset. The 180/185 spikes are definitely temporary misreadings (180/5 is like track session efforts). I would say my heart rate for a marathon should be around 170 - for my half marathon pb is was around 175. So it does say a lot that my heart rate slipped up to 175 during the marathon. Looking back I think that this might be down to my taper/injury issue 10 days before the race. I’m still looking into power but feel like I need to understand it better before I start using it more heavily. Sounds like it’s got the potential to be perfect for you if those readings were right on the mark! I get power now straight from my garmin but not sure how accurate it’ll be!
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Well done. I have just found your channel and am loving your videos. I’m now training for my first 100km and find your content really helpful. I am nervous of the 100km and finding it hard to slow down for the longer distance, my goal is just to finish within the 24hr timeframe. I recently finished a marathon in 3:13 and am carrying on my training with much more hill work 😬
Congrats on racing a marathon (and talking to the camera, it adds to the difficulty!) It seems like a nice wide and flat course, would have been even better it if was a more crowded event so you could have found yourself a pack of runners! I wish you to achieve your sub 3 hour goal this year!
Thanks Chloe! Yeah, definitely. I think it would be a great race if you had someone to run with or a group even better.
You made it look easy mate 😂 You've convinced me that I've made the right decision to go for an ultra rather than a marathon. You still got a good time here though 👍🏻🏃♂️
Haha, far from easy 😂 You've definitely made the right decision! Just focus on getting your pacing right for the ultra and you'll love it. Thanks Mark!
Awesome vid! Glad I just found your channel, subbed!
Thanks Noah! Glad you enjoyed the video. Always nice when RUclips shares the videos with new people.
Great video and a brilliant time
Well done
Thanks! Hopefully I can beat it at Copenhagen this May!
Good to meet you out on the trails today, James. This marathon looked like quite the grind. All good experience, though 🫤
Great to meet you too Ryan. Looks like you've done some epic ultras! Yeah despite the PB, this marathon didn't exactly go to plan but a good reminder of how hard fast marathons are.
Way to go! Though you did not get a PB a 26.2 race is still an amazing feat. Keep it up! And keep up the great videos.
Thanks Amber! I did actually get a 12 minute PB, just not the time I was aiming for so I'm happy despite the hard race.
Great vid mate. Thanks for documenting the grind. Always appreciate your films, the trails and the road!
Thanks Danny! I really appreciate you sticking around and watching the videos!
Great content 👌
Following on strava as well good work mate!
Thanks Steve! Glad you’re enjoying the videos!
Thanks so much James! Great motivation for me. Well done! I appreciate all your sharing.
Thanks Nancy! Glad you enjoyed it.
Great video and amazing running James. As you say, this was a test to see where the marathon fitness was in terms of your sub-3 goal, so it seems you did right to push yourself hard. Also, no better place to do it than at Goodwood, by the looks of it. I may have to sign up to run a marathon there too, some time, just to test the boundaries a bit...
Thanks Paul! I'd definitely recommend it as an event. Just got to prepare to run much of the race solo unless you find someone on the start line going for the same goal. Hope your training is going well since the Hurtwood 50k.
Top effort mate!
Thanks mate!
I’ve been there mate, thinking everything is going to plan, then it hits you 😩.
I had the same experience in the Majorca marathon last year at 25km in 😫.
Well done for digging deep though, and 3:20 is still a great time !
Thanks! Yeah, I guess it is to be expected with fast marathon attempts... It's not going to be perfect every time!
Your Goodwood marathon video was great for knowing what to expect going into the race. Always nice seeing the course in advance!
@@jamesday1 exactly, marathons are so unpredictable.
Glad my video was of some use, I remember the last couple of laps were really tough 🥵
Well done on toughing it out, still a great time. You seemed to be on your own for most of it, maybe a bigger race with ore runners around your pace to run with would be easier?
Thanks Brioni! Yeah definitely. It felt like a time trial for most of it. I'll definitely consider a bigger event for my next marathon PB attempt.
Great running ! I’m doing Manchester marathon in April. First ever! Aiming for 3:45 tho all the calculators say I can go 3:30 based on my 1/2 marathon, 10k and 5k times. Not sure what to do really? Especially as I have no experience of marathons. I fear the wall!
Good luck at Manchester! Not long now. Hope the training is going well! I'd definitely recommend going for 3:45. I based my pace for Goodwood off the calculators and I should have probably gone 5-10 seconds slower at the start. As it's your first marathon, going conservative on pace will make a huge difference. Also make sure you have some running gels. My lack of nutrition in my first marathon was my other big mistake. The wall typically happens when people run out of carbohydrates after 2-3 hours.
Congrats!!! Really well done. Great time. Would you recommend that marathon or did it become mind numbing running the same loop each time and running past the finish line so often. Can’t decide if it’s genius or madness! 😂
Thanks! I actually didn't find the loops as bad as expected. The loops were big enough that it wasn't too bad. I think the biggest challenge was the lack of other runners at my pace. Would have loved some other runners to keep me company and keep me on pace during the low moments.
Dude another nicely produced vid! Q. For you, non-running related. Do you use LUTs in your editing? If so which ones, your colour grading is on point.
Thanks John! Yeah, I'm trying to learn colour correction in Lightroom and davinci resolve but it's such a difficult skill to develop. For my videos I've been using Niklas Christl's LUTs. There are pretty expensive compared to most LUTs but I'm a big fan of his channel and quite like the pastel colours. Also his LUT pack included quite a large number of styles which is nice to have. When I first got them, I used them in a bit of a heavy handed way.. like the Maverick Ultra video. I've got a workflow now where I do exposure, saturation, contrast and sharpness adjustments, then add the LUT at about 40-60% strength and then modify the colours if needed. Definitely a skill to work on! I did look at some other LUT options such as Peter McKinnon, Danny Gevirtz and Matti haapoja but ended up going with Niklas' pack. They definitely make the process of colour grading easier when learning!
@@jamesday1 that’s brilliant thanks for the comprehensive reply mate I’ll definitely check them out. It makes such a difference to a video getting the grade right. I like the pastel grade on this vid. Good luck with the channel mate you’ve definitely got what it takes 🤘🏻
Errr that was a solid run buddy 3:20 is impressive
Great effort and congrats on the PB! What did your time end up being and what was your old PB?
Thanks! I came in at 3:20:20. My previous PB was 3:32:57. So I'm super happy despite the race not going exactly to plan!
Well done for getting it done. 3:20 is nothing to be ashamed of.
Thanks Damean! Yeah, agreed. I'm happy to get a PB and I was happy to finish after a tough race.
Hey. Sorry things didn't go according to plan. 3.20 is still an impressive time to my mind given your vo2max. I must say I was curious whether or not you'd overestimated your potential for the marathon pb, given your vo2max, but very much lacking experience myself I was also kind of hoping you'd pull it off and show me wrong. I'm looking forward to your analysis and data of the day. What was your fuelling strategy? I did my one and only marathon pb attempt last spring in similar conditions as yours, with a vo2max of 52 at the time I believe, and ended up with 3.39 on slightly negative split second half. I don't think I could've gone much faster. I did 2L with 10 scoops of Tailwind for fuelling and didn't feel any lack of energy - felt totally comfortable for 30k, then a quite rapid onset of plain aerobic and muscular fatigue the last 10k. Hence why I'm wondering about your fuelling - your seem to be quite talented when it comes to your aerobic and muscular endurance given your ultra achievements. Or maybe it's just as simple as you going out at a slightly too high pace? I think I'd be capable of a sub 3.30 with better preparation of my top end speed, but not much more than that. I got my vo2max up to 55 last autumn before my training was interrupted. So again, 3.20 is definitely something to be proud of I'd say. You'll pace the next one more wisely and shave a few minutes off and finish with a stronger sense of having extracted close to the maximum that your conditioning and genetic potential allows for! 🤘💪
Thanks Kristoffer! Yeah, still happy to bag a PB. My fuelling seemed to go pretty well. 6 Maurten gels - one every 30 minutes which seems like the top end of what most people can manage. It's hard to tell exactly what went wrong. VDOT/running calculators all pointed towards 3:05 fitness. I think that maybe 5/10 seconds slower per KM in the first half would have led to a 3:12 - 3:15 marathon. I was definitely targeting a time which was close to my max potential (even if I didn't quite realise it) which for a marathon is always a risky approach. I've got a marathon in April but doubt I'll go for a PB attempt. Maybe save myself for a big marathon attempt in Nov/Dec - Give myself time to focus on the 100 miler, recover and have a solid training block for another attempt. Definitely some work to do!
@@jamesday1 Do you think that if you'd eased up on the pace a bit ("5/10 secs slower") in the first half, you would have kept a consistent pace to the end? I'm targeting a specific time in August and I'm afraid that I'll fall apart in the second half through over-reaching. I don't have enough experience to know whether 5-10 secs slower on the pace will save me. Like Kristoffer, I'm solid for 30k and despite decent fueling, I experience sudden fatigue that I can't overcome. Thanks for sharing your race experience.
Yeah, I think 5/10 seconds per km would have made a huge difference. For context my average pace for the whole race was 4:45, despite running a 1:35 first half and 1:45 second half. I think if I had started at 4:35/4:40 pace, I would have been able to negative split and run quite a bit faster than 3:20:20.
Even if you have a specific time goal, you might want to run the first half slightly slower than your goal pace. If your fitness is at the right level for that race, you should be able to run the second half faster.
The running calculators like McMillan Running will give you a guide pace off your half/10k PBs, but they assume you're highly conditioned for the marathon distance. The calculators said I should be able to run 3:05. So definitely take their predictions with a pinch of salt. Obviously the faster you are at the shorter distances, then the bigger buffer you have for a specific target marathon pace.
Also if you can run 30k, you'd be surprised at how easy it is to run 42km if you slow down by 1-2 minutes per km. The challenge is running a marathon fast, rather than just simply running a marathon in distance. When training for ultra's, I'll often do marathon long runs in my training at 6-7mins/km and find them quite comfortable.
Hopefully this helps!
@@jamesday1 looking at your strava of the run now, I'd change my previous answer regarding getting a Hr strap and say I'd definitely want to get one if I were you, as if the data is actually correct and not a bad wrist hr reading, doing k's at 180-185bpm within the first 10ks should've probably indicated that you where clearly going too hot? Or do you have a high maxhr/lactate threshold? Anyway, I don't mean to criticise or be a smart ass. I think you pulled off a really impressive effort either way. I'm just fascinated by the science of pacing and these metrics. I actually have a stryd pod too that I'm still learning how to use (you mentioned wanting to going all in on trying to find ways to improve). Pacing and training by power does seem to make a lot of sense to me, given that you feed it with high quality input values with regular "calibration efforts". Fun fact - I wore the stryd during my marathon pb attempt and my actual average wattage of the run was identical with the percentage of my calculated critical power that was recommended for a marathon effort - even though I didn't use it for pacing at all. I figure that says something about the algoritm they're using for their power calculations and predictions for what kind of power you can hold for different durations 🤓👍
Ahh so I never look at heart rate during a race. Stress and adrenaline cause hr to increase on race day but don’t necessarily harm performance. Then mentally, hr reads are a quick way to mess with your mindset. The 180/185 spikes are definitely temporary misreadings (180/5 is like track session efforts). I would say my heart rate for a marathon should be around 170 - for my half marathon pb is was around 175. So it does say a lot that my heart rate slipped up to 175 during the marathon. Looking back I think that this might be down to my taper/injury issue 10 days before the race.
I’m still looking into power but feel like I need to understand it better before I start using it more heavily. Sounds like it’s got the potential to be perfect for you if those readings were right on the mark! I get power now straight from my garmin but not sure how accurate it’ll be!