EV 80Quette - The Etiquette Guidelines For Fast Charging Your Electric Car
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- EV 80quette is a Set of Helpful Guidelines We Can Utilize to Be Courteous to other EV Drivers and Help Improve the Overall DC Fast Charging Experience for Everyone.
EV 80quette Guidelines:
1. Politeness
2. Unplug at 80%
3. Mind Your Curve
4. Action Message
5. Stay At Your Stall
#evcharging #etiquette #ev
Excellent points! Putting yourself in another person’s shoes and being courteous does make it a pleasant experience for everyone. What goes around, comes back to you. Great video!!!
Thanks for this!
Thanks for giving me a great laugh this morning. Excellent humor. Please do more of these comical vids. 🤣
A lot of value in humor. Come back any time for a laugh
good info
Thanks for watching!
@@Aslash304consider a second post starting at 1:48 this video is just too long to get the point across quickly. If someone wants the background they’ll go to your website. You should also put a link to your website in the video description.
A good way to encourage etiquette is through the pocketbook, i.e. double the cost to charge when 80% is achieved, apply overstay charges to vehicles that remain 10 minutes after completion.
Those already exist at every charger
@@Aslash304 At superchargers they do exist, at other other branded DC chargers it doesn’t in Ontario. The one that I most frequently would need is at a shopping mall and is often abused. The other thing there is that cars with the charge port at the front left find it convenient to park in the spot for 6kw AC charger to the right of the DC charger so they are using two charging spots to charge their car. A bit of thought would go a long way to making it work better for everyone.
A significant increase in per kWh cost above 80% SOC is a great disincentive to get people to stop charging at or above 80%.
Sometimes it is necessary to charge past 80%; asserting this as a hard fast rule is wrongheaded.
Outside of CA EV adoption hasn’t even reached 10%, so education on EV etiquette to change “fill it up” mindset is valuable for improving charging experiences.
Your hospital example is indicative of a lack of public charging infrastructure, & usage enforcement.
Tesla owners are not a monolith, stereotyping them all creates a self fulfilling prophecy of rude response to your behavior towards them.
As another commenter said, we all need to model the behavior change we want to see.
Very well said. Thanks for the input!
I would add to the Action Messaging that this potential notification could save the driver considerable money if they’re approaching idle fee territory.
Couldn’t agree more! Thanks for this!
it all depends cause 80 is too early for most occasions assuming you are not in a nordic country cause the charging speed and curve is determined by temperature (ambient and pack). 85% or 90% can be better on long distance trips.
Here the chargers are showing the charging curve and you can see if the power has dropped or not and if how much.
80% is the old rule of thumb from the early days and meanwhile chemistry and BMS have evolved, also the chargers , therefore I prefer 90% in a summer environment but only in cases I will drive afterwards, I avoid to park the EV above 80% regardless which chemistry. Yes, LFP can live with higher SOC without any doubt, but from our home storage cell testing experience it is also true: If you let the LFP cell rest fully charged without any load it will increase its volume and bulge that much that you will see the difference.
If you charge LFP fully be sure that you start discharging aafterwards. As long as the cells are charging and discharging nothing will happen, but do let the cell rest at minimum or maximum cause that will have a negative impact.
In a car nowadays the manufacturer is putting "safety margins" in - the BMS gets one and you pay for a gross capacity of a battery where you can only use the net capacity. The usual NMC cells have 92 kWh net to 100 kWh gross margin, while LFP cells have a far smaller margin like 2 kWh in the MG 4 which came with 51 kWh net and 53 kWh gross.
Great info. Based on US data, 80 is where the speeds start to be hard to justify staying plugged in if there’s a line at the charger outofspecstudios.com/charging
My recommended charge is 90%. I have a Volvo C40 Recharge.
Good to know! Thanks for the feedback
Charge to 90% at home or overnight on L2 if you want/need to, not at DC fast chargers where the C40/XC40 charges extremely slow. This is not about recommended chargers limit, it about improving charging experiences for all EV drivers. On DC fast chargers this means charging to 80% then moving on.
Volvo and Polestar recommend 90% for battery health, not best charging curve considerations. I have a Polestar and when fast charging, anything over 80% is super slow.
I will show some etiquette here on your channel but it's not easy. So, let's just go with what I have seem instead. First off, we are talking humanity and courtesy and It's 2024 guys, there is no courtesy and humanity is pretty much shot. THIS is the reality and I do not see it changing anytime soon, actually anytime period.
I have owned an EV for 4 years AND I have driven my EV 50,000 miles in that time of ownership. So you know I have not limited my charging to just parking and charging in the garage. I drove Phoenix, AZ to Philadelphia, PA round trip 2 times. Many Walmart stores have Electrify America Chargers. THIS is the reality. People charge there, actually let's call it what it is, they park there. They go into Walmart, and I have never seen anyone come back at the 80% mark. In fact the cost for staying over 100% must be pretty insignificant because I would say 30% of the time cars are fully charged and they remain and pay whatever the idle cost is.
I have another situation that's worse. I consult at a local Hospital. They have 6 free chargepoint level 2 chargers. I have confirmed the reason why they are there, and you can guess. They are there for out of state drivers visiting family or friends and can't charge at home and the hotels they are staying do not have chargers. So, it's a courtesy for those visitors. As an EV owner, who is local, I have never used any of those chargers even if all the spots are empty and they are never empty, always 100% full. And who parks there? Employees. How do I know this? I confronted, semi politely, 3 owners. I told them that the chargers are there for those traveling in to visit family and friends and asked why they park there. Of course they know this but I figured I'd refresh their memories. Here is their answer. They live in apartments and can't charge at home. So, I said "OK so you take the courtesy set aside for family and friends of patients, at the place you work, and as a result of not doing your homework of what EV ownership requires you take their convenience away. I get stunned looks and a how dare you stare. And I have gone to the hospital admin department, and they are aware of this, but in 3 years they have done nothing. The sign says limit 2 hrs, it does not say visitors only which clearly it should. But does it need to? Common sense, which is no longer common, should tell you that these chargers are for visitor courtesy. But it's 2024, we need to put up a sign that says this BUT will be ignored anyway so we may as well save the ink.
Now I will also add this. You might say that this is due to the majority of EV owners owning a Tesla. Without exaggeration, 3 or often 4 of the hospital charging locations are occupied by a Tesla. As a result of the rudeness I see of Tesla owners, and I might be generalizing, I would NEVER consider owning a Tesla. NEVER. And here is the end result of this. If I am parked at a charger and a Tesla owner wants to use the charger and sees me entering my car, I just do not leave. Once a Tesla owner came to my drivers window, usually they just drive off, and asked if I was leaving. I said, "Oh I never leave a spot for a Tesla owner". I guess I have no etiquette or I have lost patience.
I hope this is a one off presentation. If you are running this a series, like I said, it's 2024 and your discussion of etiquette will go in one ear and out the other. In fact it won't even go in one ear.
So, there’s no etiquette and I make suggestions about adding etiquette but yet I shouldn’t ever talk about it again?
@@Aslash304 Well, I see very VERY little etiquette. But, of course, you can talk about it all you want. My point is that it won't change anything. Look at the hospital I reference. They have done nothing in 3 years and it's their own employees that are taking the courtesy away from people potentially saying goodbye to their loved ones at the hospital. How much more rude can anyone be in doing that? So, sure, talk about it but will it be of any value?
Change starts with you. Make a difference! Be the catalyst!
Free chargers have no value to the traveling public, inevitably they are occupied by same cars day after day.
@@gerhardk98agree
1:48 skipping background info
I guess a minute and a half of background was too much
@@Aslash304if you post a second cropped video it would be really easy to make QR code sticker that people could scan to get the info quickly.
I am unable to "like" your video. Perhaps you checked the box made for children? If so, one can't like that video. Otherwise, not sure why.
The video is unlisted. That’s probably it. Once it goes public, you’ll be able to click like. Really sorry about this.