Lathe Duplicator - Copying a Chess Piece
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2021
- I wanted to copy a chess set on the lathe, and developed this method which uses carbide cutting tools set in blocks. In this video I take you through the key components of this duplication method, and copy a chess bishop as an example.
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I belong to a Men's Shed in South Australia and we have just finished turning 216 spindles for 36 ships wheels. This copier would have made it much easier for us and reduced the risk of the spindles being slightly different. I can't wait to make one of your gadgets for future projects. Well done and well presented.
Hiii friend
Men’s Shed is an awesome organisation 👍🏼👍🏼 Hi from Brisbane mate 👋🏼
@@youtukang G'Day to you YouTukang.
@@VLXVNDR I couldn't agree with you more. It is one up for Australia as we created the Men's Shed concept back in the 90's. Now it is worldwide.
Well done, an easy, quick and cheap solution for component duplication. Very well explained.
Greetings to my fellow sheders from Mansfield Men's Shed in Victorian high country.
I asked my dad about this one time when I got a copy tool for the lathe and I was excited about it and he said to me that they dont have to be exactly the same and its good for it to look human made like there was some skill involved and even some minor flaws to give each piece its own personality.
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Only a hobbyist can do it.
Yeah you're right - if not for the human element, we would all just be 3d printers. The variations are important. I want to work my way up to that ideal
to each his own
correct!
You are just trying to make me feel better about my less than perfect lathe life. And you are doing a splendid job! Thank you for the humanity you don't edit out of your video.
Peace!
Try t-track in your table to stop tipping and if you have a tool like a dremel you could use a small dremel router bit to carve out the bishop maybe... Just an idea... this is one of the coolest things I have seen... Remember the slight imperfections are what make your pieces unique thus more valuable... One of a kind...
Lining it up (especially repeatedly) can be made a lot easier by drawing lines on the table and on either side of the model jig.
For the table, you can get the centre with a (plumb bob, spirit level or a) large square and use a square to continue the line.
For the model jig, you can mark a squared line and use it to drill the holes by which the model is centred.
Taking it further, you can make sure that each model is lined up and centred at the same distance from the inside edge of the jig and with everything in place, put a fence on the table, so that lining it up is as easy as pulling it into the fence.
PLEASE! Stop sweating and worrying, because I do not need you to be in a mental institution. This is amazing/beautiful. Stop second guessing your self! What a wonderful video. I don't even have a RUclips Channel yet. Working on it thou. You just keep providing positive content. Turbo
Your piece blows the original away!!! This is amazingly skillful
This was awesome to watch. The pieces came out amazing and your method is no doubt easier than trying to freehand an entire set.
Really nice comment, thank you!
A credit to you - as well as a big thank you! This hopefully will expand my ideas of copying small objects on the lathe. It is always said that the simple ideas and notations are the best.
Simple, elegant and effective. As you stated, with a little tweaking or, "add other levels of perfection" this is a great tool. You have made a great contribution to the world of woodworking. Stay safe be blessed.
'Stay safe' ?
@@simonlevett4776 : Considering he lives in the communist republic of Canada wishing him safety is good thing.
Muy bueno, excelente el dispositivo copiador. Ahora esperamos el video de la fabricación de los caballos. Gracias por compartir, todo conocimiento que se comparte, no ser pierde.
If you want to produce exact copies, you'll need to build a pantograph. Even then, you'll need two versions of every cutting tool: one with a left cutting edge and one with a right cutting edge that are mirrors of each other. This is because every cutting tool is by design prismatic so the edges at an angle to the cutting edge prevent it from cutting a curve that is tighter than said angle, in the direction of cutting. The last statement doesn't make a lot of sense unless you see it: it's easier to draw than to describe in words.
You can achieve the same results as with a pantograph by modifying your existing cutting tool holders to make them attached to a base similar to the second tool's that you made for severing the piece (provided you make that base a little sturdier so it won't come flying off if the cutting tool snags somewhere). Then you'll be able to always maintain a constant angle between the cutting edge and the lathe's axle (e.g. 90 degrees). In essence you'll be making a platform (similar to a CNC machine's) that will allow you to move the cutting tool back and forth and left and right but without ever being able to rotate it.
The final requirement is that you need cutting tools that are small enough to be able to cut the details desired e.g. if you wan to cut a crevice that is 1mm wide and 5mm deep, you'll obviously won't be able to do that with a cutting tool that is 5mm thick and 5mm wide.
The trick to getting the replica of the same size is to adjust the lade cutter a little back from the guide following the template, this will leave sufficient material should you choose to sand the piece for a smoother finish
Great work and thanks for an informative post
The small benchtop Wen lathe is doing ruclips.net/user/postUgkxKGVtPhqZBB5AQXXFlU2kdd4mQhO6wlhl just what it was desighed to do, turn small pieces. This product is workig very well in wood and plastics, I wouldn't recommend any metal turning on it though. Overall from an old tool guy, I highly recommend this lathe as long as you realize that this is for small turning only. I bought this a few weeks ago and have noticed the price has gone from $174. to $249. Might want to get one sooner than later.
I think that piece came out really well despite it not being identical. It certainly looks nicer in wood than plastic. You could also drill magnets into the base as long as you have your chess squares mounted on a sheet of steel or steel plate in the chess board. Nicely done looks really good.
Great!
I shall go on this for a trail, it seems great for small pieces. Thanks for the time devoted to explain the pros and cons of this.
Great!!!
Love all of the gigs and templates you made! Thanks for sharing
Excelente trabajo Estimado MAESTRO. Admiro su habilidad y destreza. Gracias por participarme y hacerme conocer este bello arte.
Felicitaciones.
Just purchased the same lathe yesterday. Nice to know what that little beast is capable of doing. Of course a good sportsman doesn't blame their equipment. So many projects rattling around in my head. I haven't used a lathe in over 50 years but anxious to do so. Great video.
Yes I noticed they were on sale at CT (hoping you got it for the sale price) - enjoy!
@@acanadianwoodworker Yes I did. Too good a deal to pass up.
I’m currently working on a hand turned chess set. I’d consider myself quite proficient on the lathe so I decided to do them all without using a duplicator or template, I’ve done 8 pawns so far and they aren’t all the exact same but I think that kind of adds to the hand made aspect of it. It’s also my first time trying it so as I go through them they get better and better. I like the duplicator method though.
Scathingly workable. You have set me forward six or seven years. Thank you.
I have just CAD designed something very similar to this, to copy about 20 stair baluster spindles.
So, it's nice to see how much my projected design corresponds with your proven design.
[My one difference, so far, is that I've extended the block holding the cutter, and made a handle, like a saw handle in it.]
Thanks.😊
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Well thought out. I am impressed. This solves many problems.
My family has an old chess set. Some pieces are missing. In my childhood I often watched my father, and mother playing with it. My father passed away last year. I want to copy the set for me and my two brothers as a gift. But I did not know how to do it. You just showed me the solution. Than you!
I am truly glad I could be of help to you! Thank you for posting your touching story, and I'm sure the set you turn is going to be incredible!
Looks great! If it's easy to put the melamine table in the same spot each time, it might be good to draw a centerline on the melamine to line up the piece you are copying.
Love your improvisation. Nice explanation, was very informative. Thanks.
*ASSALAMU ALAIKUM*
An ingenious solution, thanks for the idea!
Respect to anyone who can make a chess piece, not to mention a chess set!
Super Tool. Das muss ich mir nachbauen um Holzzierteile von alten Uhren zu kopieren 👍👍👍👍
Love your "home shop" engineering.
Excellent system. Thanks for sharing your ideas.
I used to feel the same way as you, then I changed my opinion and now feel that making each piece individual and unique makes a hand made set that much more appealing and something worth cherishing. Nevertheless, this is an interesting technique and jig.
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I think I can sum it all up with one word: Awesome. One idea would be to hollow out with your drill press the base of the pieces a little bit and just pour in steel shot from a container of BB's from a sports store. Fill in with epoxy and you're all set. I was really interested to see how you would make the knight because that obviously has to be done differently. I suppose making a mold from which it could be made from epoxy. Regarding the slant in the bishops hat, that could be done probably with a band saw. I have a lathe that is still in the box, and though my thoughts of grandeur had me all over the map of what to do with that, you've given me ideas that working with smaller pieces like this is probably where my niche lies. Thank you very much for the excellent tutorial!
I prefer the copy, much more beautiful !
Thx for tips i will do the same
Greatings from France
This is similar to a product produced by an Australian guy to freehand turn metal objects. It is called the "Turnado". I think you could pick up a few fine tuning ideas from his design. That said, I think your execution of the idea is excellent. Well done, sir!
Amazing, I'm going to look that up. Thank you!
i was thinking the same thing. The Turnado is very well thought out
It’s a total ripoff of the turnado system!
Really nice Jig and I can see using it for the chess set I want to make.! Made one by hand but it was a great deal of difficulty getting consistent looks for the pieces! My suggestion for the bishop is either leave out the notch or just make an angled guide for cutting them with a handsaw. Also using small 1/4 inch washers gave them a nice bit of weight and then I glued the washers in with Epoxy to the bottom recess I drilled and , at the same time, added the felt bottoms and the Epoxy held them quite nicely.
Ingenious! I’m about to start making chess pieces and was thinking through how to replicate the sculptures. Thank for sharing your insights. Blessings!
You've done a very good job. I think that your slight variations between pieces adds to the value. they are hand made pieces the variations just prove that they are not a product of CNC or similar. They are great be proud
Very clever and simple copying implementation. Something I need to try :-)
This is really a cool thing to have for replicating a lot of pieces. For the notch in the bishop, id get a set of needle files or dremel with the small diamond heads. Nice work.
Brilliant! A 'duplicarver' for the lathe.
Good name for the system!
I sorta imported your ideas on the base build and the using of carbide cutter heads onto my lower grade wood lathe, and things seem to be working wonderfully. The next step I would do is to upgrade my spindle head for my lathe. I greatly appreciate your sharing sir!
I'm really happy the video helped! That's honestly the main reason I do the videos, to try to add to the overall knowledge pool. Thanks for the comment & for watching!
Nice. Well done. I often thought about sculpturing a complete set of chess pieces and always set the idea aside not sure if casting or turning was a method of choice. I do have a lathe now. It's a bit big by being a Shopsmith but you demonstrated its doable. I'd probably leave the slot in the Bishops hat off my piece. It's a difficult operation to achieve once turned and it needs not be identical. The Knight will take a bit of hand carving. Good thing there are but four.
I think your design is very logical, good job!
Of course it is. He stole the idea from a machine that's been used for decades to copy.
Awesome and creative idea - love it!
👍🏼Just ingenious solutions. Thanks for sharing ☀️🙏
😊😊👍
You did just great love the simplicity ❤
Just what I was looking for! Thanks, it will help me greatly
We had a lathe in the woodshoop class when I was in High school. It had a duplicator. Now I wish I had spent time using it so I knew the basics of how it worked and could do it on my lathe now.
Set your tracing stylus in further that your cutter. After you turn your item down until it stops cutting take a measurement. Setting the cutting and tracing stylus even with each other can cause it not to turn true to the template. I've been using a handheld duplicator since the early 90's and this is how I get an exact copy of the template. You've designed a fine duplicator and thanks for sharing the video.
Great ideas... I think the diamond shaped blade needs also a diamond shaped follower. Maybe even a very fine cutter for the details as a third step...
Супер, идея хорошая, спасибо. Удачи
For the cut in the top if you haven't already done it you can make a small mitre box jig, drill a hole in the bottom for it to rest in
works like key cutter, nice
Genius!! Can’t wait to try this
Thanks
Thank you for sharing your time and talent
I thoroughly enjoyed your video, thank you for sharing your know how!
Looks like your jig is slightly off. But man that's a dang good idea. That's really impressive. I'm a machinist by trade and I love seeing ppl come up with ideas like that to duplicate their work. Really nice job
Awesome you really answered a lot of questions for me thanks
Genius design.
Great video and such a simple idea thanks, might try something like this on my metal lathe
Wow works great and very simple design.
nice workshop, clean and tidy
Awesome work my friend 💯
Great video. Concerning the slit, you could first cut it into the stock itself before shaping it. Of course chip out and splitting now becomes a major concern. Alternatively, you can make a clamping jig that lets you run the shaped form along the table saw. It could be as simple as splitting the 12 mm stock in half, carving out the appropriate recesses for holding the top and bottom of the bishop, clamping it all together, laying it on its side, setting the blade angle, adjusting the fence, and making a pass... _et voila._ Just a thought 🤔
good job, the same technique of copying keys works in here as well..
Put a magnet in the base. Then you could have a metal sheet under the top layer of the chess board. And if the chessboard has drawers for the pieces, you can have a metal strip to hold them in place while they are in the drawer.
Its quite helpful for those who really wish to learn Lathe jobs.Thanks for the nice upload, watching from Pakistan.
this was VERY helpful
thank you
I noticed during your turning process that you were swinging or sort of sweeping the cutter which affects the angle of depth whereas I feel the cutter tool needs to be completely perpendicular to the piece being cut and followed. Just my $.02. Great instructional video. Thanks!
Agree
Awesome and inspiring
You have a very good diction. We understand every word you say.
Came across your video and I must say that I'm very impressed by what you have done with your POS lathe, by the way I have the same lathe and was thinking of making some sort of a platform to reproduce a way to repeat / duplicate the same item over and over - you have solved the problem for anyone that has a mini lathe. I also have a big floor model wood lathe that I do a lot of turning of table legs and as small as chess players.
Haha you're absolutely right, it is a POS. I've broken almost every part on it, the headstock collapsed and I had to rebuild it, the live center is completely destroyed, etc. But its 150.00 CAD so I can't really complain. Its funny I've never even seen a better lathe in person, let alone used one. I'm sure a proper professional lathe is a revelation as far as quality and solid-ness.
Maybe the plastic joint makes the thickness different?? The timber piece doesn’t have that joint as it’s one piece.
Great work!! 👍🏼👍🏼
Супер! Отличный способ, спасибо)
Really nice, careful work. Possibly keeping the tool shaft perpendicular to the rotation axis at all times would improve the accuracy. Admittedly this is darned difficult to do but maybe you could use your set square to maintain the perpendicular - and having an assistant to oversee this might help. But it's a pleasure to watch you at work - and thank you for an excellent video.
Muito bom o seu trabalho!
Parabéns .
I've been trying to design a copy system in my head, but I might try to duplicate yours. Maybe can add some kind of rail system with a screw or two to keep things at an exact depth. I don't know, but I'll try what you have so far.
Another thought....steel bars from the original piece base into the vase of your moving tools. Fixed on the original side. Wide slots on the tool side. Solely to hold the tool down. Maybe a piec that captures the rods and and wraps around the foundation to also help the piece stay flat. Got another idea but I can’t think how to describe it. Roughly tool and original are on guide bars that slide toward each other. Big spring(s) push(es) them apart. Tool is riding a sliding dovetail left and right. Keeps the tools 90* to the work. Allows left/right motion. Should help with keeping the tool from lifting in the middle. The piece the tool is riding on can be clamped to the back the table. Keeps it from lifting in the back. I’ve got a picture in my head. Wish I could click “share....”
Thanks for your idea.
Now I have the solution.
Muchas gracias. Excelente video. Saludos desde Argentina.
Good work man, and very, very clean workshop. Mine is like a cave :)
sensei...master of the universe....gracias totales
Fantastic work! I'm wondering if you'd be able to do a video showing how you secured the cutting tools into place?
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Very clever. Just like what a key cutter uses to duplicate keys.
Мне очень понравилось.Отличная работа.Вам Здоровья.Спасибо.
Великолепная работа!
To make the notch you may be able to add a jig that holds a dremel tool with a cutting disc and cut the slot while it is still mounted on the lathe.
Excellent. I have an upcoming use for a system like this - I need to make handles for a set of 8 chisel irons.
Ok a good idea. I have some suggestions to maybe help you. Sorry if they have already been said but I'm looking from an engineers perspective.
To get a true copy your cutting tool shape must match the form follower exactly.
you mention the rotation dragging/snatching the cutting tool. How about elevating the copy platform, this allows you you extent the toolholder base (the edge under the follower) forward to counter the forces. you could also set the copy platform further back. As long as the same offset is used on the follower to tool edge as machine centre to form centre it should not matter. It will also give it a bit more weight allowing more control.
Lastly to combat the waste and dust problems connect the vacuum cleaner hose to the tool post, you have quite a solid block of wood. stick a hole in it and add a nozzle directly under the cutting tool. I might not catch it all but should help.
NICE WORK AND VIDEO
Good concept. Keep going!
Excellent work. Could the reason it came out a bit thinner be that you were turning slightly sideways with the slider. When sideways it tends to cut closer to centre. Wonderful to watch.
sensational work, wonderful technique, I am fascinated with the game of chess I made my first chess by hand, with a broom handle, and I always wanted to know how they do it on the lathe, thank you
Молодец! Хорошая реализация. Многие не знают, как изготовить простейший копир. Привет из России! Лайк и подписка!)
Good job sir... keep doing nice video...
In the new era of chess sets, especially about Staunton! Two things may be the future chess sets: 4 queens in each chess set (2 queens in each colour) and the old marking of a rook and a knight in each colour to recognize between queenside and kingside.
Brilliant! 👍
It works like a key copy machine. 👌