Belobog Final Arc (INSANE BOSS FIGHT) | Honkai: Star Rail
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Too many people calling my man Dunn a simp. Homie ain't no simp. He likes Serval, sure. But he did not buckle or yield when she tried her charms 😂 brother stayed focused.
the truest gigachad in the game
ikr, he was the exact opposite of a simp
Brother was as hard as his shield
@@vc6094 Ayo?
People dont even know what terms means what anymore bro. My guy Dunn was being a real gentleman while staying strong and people still call him a simp
Cocolia: *Dies*
Bronya: *Cries*
March 7: ... Anyway, that was fun! :3
Why would she be sad she there's a hundred more tragedies in the universe to encounter
Fr tho
her saying that made me realized she has seen worse, so im kinda scared of the new worlds in the future
@@Mondy667 it’s called being socially aware. Do I really care when I find out the parent of an acquaintance died? No. Not at all. But I’m not gonna act all cheery next to them because that’s insensitive and rude
It's not that rude though, it's much ruder if you'll suddenly act hypocritical towards the one you killed after you literally unalive them. If people are gonna gain that much compassion, might as well just leave them all alone to suffer eternal freeze lol.
Bran during the fight: "Just die!"
Cocolia: *dies*
Bran: *surprised pikachu face*
Definitely one of the best boss fights I've ever experienced!
No hate, but you need to play more games if this was even close to the best boss fight you've experienced lol
@@aspen2098don't be a buzzkill.
@@aspen2098 very little games that hit the feels with the music and the cutscenes anymore.
It’s all live service shooters 😭
You finally got to fight her! I would never have thought that it would be possible to get goosebumps from a simple turn-based battle!
Glad you found a game to change your mind! I grew up with turn-based and already knew they weren't inherently simple, but hopefully more people get to see that turn-based isn't the "grandma's bingo game" they seem to assume it is. 😊
I'm hoping the boss fights are harder as weeklies or in sim universe or wherever.
I bumped my team from 30 to 35 right before Svarog fight. He has an interesting mechanism in that capture move but he only managed to use it twice. I read he's supposed to do something with that, but freeing people was so easy I didn't get to see any follow-ups. The rust bucket went down too easy to really appreciate the fight.
Approaching the final battle, I bumped the team from 35 to 40 (but couldn't ascend, obviously). The Cocolia echo fight is funny as the game sneaks it on you without giving you time to prepare. In my case I didn't have a single person who could exploit her weaknesses, so the whole fight was a grind agains her higher elemental defenses. But just destroying the summoned popsicles was enough to keep the dps in check and Nat carried me through the fight, keeping the team at nearly max health most of the time.
The final battle is a great spectacle. But the only real threat are her ult and being stupid leaving the popsicles up to snipe at you. Nat's ult rotates up easy in this fight so you can just negate the ult damage the second Coco casts it. Bran says here it was a lot of damage but a fifth of your health bar IS NOT A LOT. FMC plus Nat carried the fight, so I've been wondering since if the fights are coded easy on-level or maybe Nat is just OP healer.
(More recently still on lvl 40 I met Gepard in Sim world, where he is 45. Again Nat carried the fight. You can tell after two minutes you will win as the enemy lacks damage to take your team down, you just have to do the terrible grind against Gep's huuuuuge shields to get there.)
@@array_index yeah in simulated universe cocolia is much harder (she's level 65 with boosted stats), svarog was first try for me though
@@array_index Story quests in Mihoyo games are typically easier than the weeklies or endgame versions
Hoyoverse games generally have pretty easy fights in the main and story quests so to keep the excitement during the battles I always use characters that atleast 10 levels below the enemies in the domain and only level up my characters when I literally cannot win no matter what I try. Cocolia's battle was actually very fun for me for this reason. Infact in that battle I was down to only the mc surviving with less than half health. Also helped that I don't use healers in honkai as they make the game way too easy
Any guesses about Sampo? The dude brings us to the underworld, starting the sparks to everything and in the end even breaking the 4th wall..
Considering this is mihoyo, they like to play with their "secret organization" thing, there might even be a "traitor" in each planet we visit later. Honestly at this point it won't surprise me if Ting Yun also one of those people
leaning towards the Masked Fools. He mentioned something about a tavern and when I read about them I started wondering if they'll somehow be lurking around as we progress. as in like a joker card or something
Current theories seem to lean to Sampo being involved with the Masked Fools and Aha the Elation
Some think he might be a Masked Fool
Some think he might even be an Emanator of Elation
Crazier theorists think Sampo might straight up be Aha the Elation themself, masquerading as a human to “have some fun”
Either way, Sampo is definitely not exactly who he says he is
He could be one of the Stelaron Hunters. The Stelaron Hunter page in the archive mentions the names Silver Wolf, Blade and then "Sam...",which seems to be an incomplete name. Sampo obviously came from outside Jarillo VI. Based on the Luofu story and Kafka revealing their goal was to assist the Trailblazer and make them a hero to obtain the favor of the Luofu and the power of the hunt, it could very well be that Sampo is indeed the mentioned "Sam.." and his goal was to assist the Trailblazer on Jarillo VI and help them earn the favor of Belobog and the power of preservation. He was there every time when you needed help and his mission seems to have completed the moment the Trailblazers fixed the problem.
@@myriadofcolours9861 In the 4th wall break in Chinese, he literally used the word elation to end his speech. FYI.
I fight Cocolia not even for the rewards, but to listen to that drop for like a million times. That part made me jump out of my chair and I started rocking back and forth like im at a rock concert during the first time I heard it. The cutscenes in this story were really good as well. Love it
I can understand Bronya's and Seele's decision - once trust is broken, it is nigh-impossible to restore or earn. It will take nothing less of a complete restructure to solve - because the people will have a lack of trust in the current system as well. That takes a lot of time and honestly will probably be detrimental given that Belobog still have external threats.
It's.. a difficult topic. Not lying is ideal, but seems either way there are cons to contend with.
That said, this is an amazing way to tell a story that people can have divisive opinion about. I'm glad Hoyo doesn't shy away from such difficult topics, or pick the "happy ending" path where they didn't lie and somehow the people magically accepts that.
Yeahh, because it's a lie so someday someone will find the truth but rn they have the external issue to take care for so if they tell the truth, they'll be too busy on the internal issue... Some people might be trusting Bronya (people that ACTUALLY know her) but for the people outside??? People would just think she'll be the same, where there seed of doubt, there'll be people trying to question it... (And the stupid people that just think of themselves would try to gain the authority) At the very least with a tight lie they could prevent that to happen and resolve the external issue first and foremost because it's the most urgent ;-;
Mind you when I play this the first time I'm all for the telling the truth, just like Bran, (it's annoying because Cocolia deserve all the truth to be out for all the thing she did...) but when I actually sit with it... This make the most sense for the situation ;-; don't like it... But it is the most ideal solution just like you said 😩
sadly, that is how modern politics and media works
@@Efreet-ru9lwModern politics doesn’t have to deal with Aeons and civilisation ending decision over a lie, so let’s fiction be fiction and politics needs to be honest with integrity and as transparent as possible.
The only catch under that is that the truth is still documented under Svarog's memories, who can provide it to Clara as she or any of her descendants grow up. Essentially, this lie will not last forever. I kinda wished someone could acknowledge that but this solution still seems right.
@@greenstuff9361 Ah yups Svarog remembers the story of the Stellaron on Belobog (which he does not easily give up).
But the true coverup was regarding Cocolia's betrayal, which I believe Svarog has at best circumstantial info.
I haven't looked up what people are saying about this topic, but my read is that the little girl in the Path Space is a visual representation of the collective will of the previous generations of Supreme Guardians (of Belobog) that have been Preserved through whatever influence that Qlipoth, the Amber Lord, the Aeon of Preservation had left on Jarilo VI. I'm assuming the Guardians' Will take the form of a little girl because all the Supreme Guardians are chosen and plucked from their mundane lives when they are still little girls.
I thought it was obvious that they are in child form, due to a similar reason Nahida gets turned into a child, they're Preservation powers are waning over the centuries XD
Are we sure all the Supreme Guardians are female? I don't think they ever explicitly stated it was. But ofc all the examples we have are female.
I think it’s implied that Sampo is a member of the masked fools, the followers of Aha that are focused on making things more chaotic and entertaining. This would explain some of his decisions such as leading the astral express crew straight into Gepard’s hands and taking Bronya to the underworld. He’s probably an off worlder not native to Belabog. He may have gotten a tip about the crew heading there or that major shit was going down with the stelleron.
Yeah plus he mentions the following:
Epsilon (different planet, probably his home planet)
Tavern (masked fools base of operations)
Joy (main goal of the elation/aha)
Breaking 4th wall (in the simulated universe aha acknowledges he is a simulation, because of how smart it is)
"Leave" (implying he is not from jarilo)
"True happiness always entails the manifestation of the dignity of mankind" (aha's description states that joy/true happiness is a right of all sentient beings, and with dignity comes rights and we all have dignity, so what sampo means is, all of mankind has the right to have true happiness/joy)
So that proves HE IS part of the elation
And you were right he is a masked fool
@@sidycou47 I felt that it was pretty obvious. Like 99% chance of being the case. But it still feels nice to call it correctly lol
The problem is... The guardian is the only connection to their eons... The moment they distrust the guardian the will cut ties with their god and qlipoth will abandon them... Making this lies will prevent chaos... Remember qlipoth is the only one can choose next guardian by having all children being tested
Yeah lots of people miss the point about covering up the truth. Which is funny cuz people were ready to rip march apart for not reading the room, then completely disregard that Belobog as a civilization failed to win until some overpowered outside party intervened. There's being empathetic and considerate, then there's just being stupidly naive and recklessly optimistic. Being truthful only helps if said people can handle it. Having a blind faith that "things will just work out somehow" is exactly how Belobog eventually resorted to depending on the stellaron to begin with.
Yep, also with the city already facing external threat, internal conflicts could very well lead to the end of their civilization.
@@pluna3382 yeah... In my perspective.. there's no merit in people learning the truth only confusion while lies give false security but also give the a gasp of hope for the new age... " Lies may poison or weaken you, but truth can also break you or kill you" -my dick size brain manage to come out some quotes
even, if they decide to tell the truth, people who suffer on the underworld wouldnt able to take it, their suffering is just because of their supreme guardian is basically brainwashed
there would be a riot and coup d'etat attemp, which result in chaos everywhere, which gonna hurt the population even more for the world that resource already scarce, and if that happen, jarilo vii wont survive
Nah, guardian being connected to the eons because they are guardians are pretty much not sure. If you played some questline you will know that the guardian selection can be manipulated by a normal human. Also no need to complicate things, the reason that cocolias betrayal should be kept a secret is because people will just make their own conspiracy story from the simple line "the guardian betrayed us" and will just ensue more chaos.
Remember Bran...history is written by the winners. We are the best example, who are we to know if the things written in the books are in fact...facts?
In the end, they chose to avoid disarray and move on forward.
Lies aren‘t only used for malicious purposes, also telling pure truths can destroy a lot too.
I don't normally like dubs but I must say Sampo's EN VA is really good. I was pleasantly surprised at his performance.
Why did I read that with Sampo's voice?
JP is also a dub...
@@catmixo CN isn't.
I play in CN. I watched people stream in other dubs and I must say Hoyoverse had discovered many talented people and gave huge opportunity for all VA to thrive.
@@catmixo they never said JP wasn’t a dub
Think of the reality of telling the people of Belobog the actual truth:
The guardians have known of the Stellaron and covered up the truth of the Eternal Freeze for 700 years. The current guardian Cocolia, who's entire role is to protect and preserve Belobog has actually abandoned the path of the Preservation and was intending to use the Stellaron to destroy the world and recreate it.
First of all, who the heck would believe all of that? A couple days/weeks ago they didn't even believe the outsiders actually came from space. Then, these outsiders were usurpers trying to take control from the architects. Now, all of a sudden, these outsiders have saved our planet and our Guardians were the ones endangering us after all? Sounds more like the usurpers actually succeeded and Bronya is merely a pawn in their game.
That's already hard to believe, but let's say people do. People would start to lose faith in the Architects and the guardians. Heck, people would start to wonder if the Amber Lord even cared about them. The guards who sacrificed their lives, the people suffering in the underworld. Everyone would collectively start questioning their leadership and their existence. A similar thing happened in Attack on Titan if you need an example. It would be neigh impossible for Bronya to take control and unite a city in that kind of state.
So, the people have either outright rejected the truth or accepted the reality that life on Jarilo-IV is completely hopeless. Seele is correct, it's better to lie and keep the hope of Preservation alive than to tell the truth and try to pick up the pieces of an already dying world.
And on the point of people finding out the truth. Literally 5 people know what actually happened, 3 of which aren't even staying on the planet. Unless Bronya or Seele record the actual truth, there's no way anyone else will find out. And let's say somehow they do find out the truth a couple centuries later.....well, the underworld and overworld would have been united for some time. People would have started seeing the positive effects of the Stellaron being sealed. If the truth came out at that point it would be easier to digest than it is now.
thank god there's someone who actually has the brain to realize why they covered up the truth
It had to happen, sure.
That doesn't mean it doesn't suck xD
Edit: Even then, Cocolia being evil or how she died is irrelevant in the big scheme of things, hiding the Stellaron existence to the public in the past, was the issue.
And at least in this _new_ turn of events, Bronya will admit they already knew it existed since Alisa Rand and didn't do shit:
1:50:25 _The visitors from beyond the sky told her the secret of the Stellaron. She knew that Alisa Rand, the first supreme guardian, had failed to destroy it..._
@@Ilwenray85 [The visitors from beyond the sky "told" her the secret of the Stellaron.]
That could very well be spun as the Architects lost the power to deal with it, or even knowledge to it, since the fragmentum was ever expanding these past 700 years.
I would even say during Alisa's rule the Architects were at their relative prime, and they only get weaker as generations went by.
@@maxstone6117 I played in another language, I thought the implied nuance in that line about the _secret_ of the Stellaron was how to destroy it, not that it existed.
Even more taking into consideration the next line.
So again, she admitted that the thing existed, and even more, the weakness of the prior Architects in getting rid of it.
So, all things considered the lies could be much worse than painting Cocolia as a saint.
Cocolia was just one individual in comparison with the generations of Guardians before her that lied about it, and if the words of that childish representation of their collective will indicates something, is that Cocolia wasn't the first one to give up to the Stellaron.
But the lies still suck, as I already said.
Well, I just hope people who know this wouldn't take this Truth to Their Grave like Bronya 💀 It just sickening that the Evil one potrayed as Hero
"as long as they find out that not only has there been generations of lying but centuries of lying, the planet will implode" but bran thats exactly why they cant tell the truth about cocolia lol
He might be a stellaron hunter but I saw someone say that he might also be a part of the two groups that follow the Aeon Aha. The version of Aha in simulated world caught on very quickly that he wasnt real, so maybe this weird trait is a part of the actual Aeon and its members.
Or Sampo is aware that the MC can see him, that one seems more likely at the moment.
One of the unseen stellaron hunter's is also named Sam.
When you think about it, *the aftermath of this battle against Cocolia was done similarly to what happened at the end of The Dark Knight.* 🦇
Both Harvey Dent and Cocolia were individuals that were highly praised and looked up to and trusted by their people (they were essentially their people's knight in shining armor), but after both became corrupted thanks to the influence of a certain evil (The Joker and the Stellaron), both became nothing more than mere puppets in someone else's game. Had the REAL truth been revealed, the people would have lost faith and hope in their governments, their laws, etc.
Hence the reason why the white lies were necessary. As Batman himself said: *"Sometimes... The truth isn't good enough. Sometimes... People deserve to have their faith rewarded."*
There's another aspect here as well. The brutal truth would cripple faith in Preservation, and the people of Belobog would stop walking the path of Preservation, losing their ability to stand against the cold. The truth would doom the city.
@@kylone1 Indeed, maybe knowing Cocolia betraying them would not, but knowing it was Alisa Rand who used the Stellaron to cause the eternal freeze? That will be very hard to swallow.
I mean Bran why did that Child part not make sense? This is done in many storywriting and anime where the will of the ancestors comes in the shape of a single person, plus it was written as Guardian's Will.
The past Supreme Guardians who followed the preservation (and didn't listen to the stelleron like Cocolia did) communicated with us and they let us take the Supreme Guardians' weapon (see how mc and Cocolia had same weapon) and finally after taking the weapon we drew Amber Lord or Aeon Qlipoth's "gaze" like how we did with Nanook and hence we got the new power.
it is understandable questioning for mihoyo to put a model of a random child
@@Efreet-ru9lw Ofc I understand that completely. Its just that many players were confused about what even happened at that moment and hence its better to have an explanation anyways.
@@Efreet-ru9lw Is it? Its obvious children is usially associated with vulnerability and having a child form shows that their will and powers have faded over the centuries and this is all they could muster XD
They could have just let the child say "I am the collective will of past guardians", since people are dumb, and some not-so-dumb people can suddenly dumb on a topic.
@@maxstone6117 No. Please no. SHOW DON'T TELL. Respect the audiences' intelligence. This is why Genshin's story is such a slog at times. They break character to tell you long af lore instead of letting players piece things together. Where is the fun in just being told what's going on? The best part of a story is experiencing. When reading a book or watching a movie, the best moments are often the "aha!" parts. The story gave us more than enough information to understand what is going on. There needs no explanation.
Banger OST and boss fight!! They really surpassed expectations with the boss mechanics and music synchronisation.
This is peak Hoyo, this is the type of hype and storytelling i would usually see in Honkai Impact.
Sadly, the starrail concert kinda spoiled the Wildfire song a bit ahead of time for many people. Going in fully blind was just chef kiss.
Lying to the people of Belobog doesn't feel good, but it's honestly the best move to unite the Overworld and Underworld. The Overworlders and Silvermane guards are completely loyal to Cocolia. Not everyone is going to just accept the truth, and may even become zealots who see her as a martyr (as someone who lives in the US, I know full well people don't always care about the truth). And the Underworlders were already beginning to doubt her motives. If they tell the truth, that completely destroys any good will the Underworld might have towards the Architects and the Overworld. Even if Bronya does reopen transportation, they'll never trust her and may even be driven to a full-scale revolt. Belobog tears itself apart, and Cocolia gets her wish for destruction.
With the lie, everyone can come together with faith that the people charged with protecting them will do just that. And in regards to the truth coming to light, Svarog was already willing to kill to keep the Stellaron information a secret, and of the 5 people who know what really happened to Cocolia, three of them aren't going to be staying on the planet. That secret will die with Seele and Bronya. It'll be almost impossible to find out the truth. And by the time anyone does, it probably won't even matter anymore. It could be another 700 years, and Belobog could be thriving and peaceful.
please reply to this doesn't serval know about this
@@geethaprem580 We left Serval in the restricted zone. We don't find out Cocolia's real motivation until after, from the echoes in the fragmentum and her final monologue. We could just say Cocolia didn't trust our motives toward the Stellaron until we caught up with her and joined forces.
Cocolia - Desintegrates into stellaron dust...
Bronya - on her knees, crying...
March - "GG"
I love the bin lore. It's true that it takes ages to gain trust and it takes seconds to lose it. Thanks Bran
The Tsaritsa- I mean Cocolia looks so majestic.🤩🤩🤩
You mean _La Signora_
The Tsaritsa is Bronya herself :D
1:54:28 this is already the last city on the planet and the monsters are already invading their town square, how will they squeeze 100 years or even 1 year of civil war to waste on? Stabilizing the current mess is more important.
1:59:52 - I love it when Bran rambles on with his shortened summaries as if he was late to a meeting or something, never fails to make me laugh😂
My original reaction was like yours, like what was the point of lying? But I understand their reason--to Belobog (the Overworld) Cocolia was a gentle guardian. To the Underworld, Cocolia was a tyrant. Belobog wouldn't recover in one day, they need a uniting factor to be able to move forward. To the Overworld, Cocolia will remain a gentle guardian. To the Underworld, they would think Cocolia sees the wrong of her actions and seek to change the outcome. Now everyone is under Belobog's flags that was protected by Cocolia's life. It's a gentle lie. One that will unite everyone and gives hope, even if tomorrow they'll still be entombed in ice. Also kind of minimized our involvement in Belobog, because I don't think we were supposed to get THAT involved w/ Belobog's history
Oh, and I def see Koski as part of the Masked Fools (Path of Elation) cuz that is exactly what they do lmao cause chaos EVERYWHERE for the hell of it
Bran, basically the Expedition on Jurilo VI was just kid's play, or at least that's what Himeko and Welt thought.because of that they let the three kids go on the expedition alone, basically Himeko and Welt were on completely different Levels especially Welt, Remember when he stopped Stellaron's explosion just by bonking Mc's head? While in Jurilo VI it was a very terrible disaster.
ough i feel so bad for Gepard honestly. I know a bunch of people didn't like him because of how blindly loyal he is and how he didn't listen to Serval and the others at first but like...we see that he's suffered a lot protecting the city. We also get moments of Serval implying that being super loyal is a "Landau trait" so we can assume it's just a part of him as a character. Gepard is super loyal to Cocolia and to the city as a whole, even if he's been injured a lot and lost many companions following her orders and doing his duty.
He's a character with a lot of weight on his shoulders, an amount that is comparable to Seele and Bronya, and i wanna give him a hug.
the sync work of this song (such as 1:43:55? is the reason this boss fight is stupidly PEAK 😢❤❤
Absolutely the most epic finale hoyoverse has delivered AND THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!
I haven't been watching much of your Star Rail content since I'm playing it myself but I really appreciate you (well, Bob I guess lol) editing out most of the fighting. I'm sure it will help a lot with making these playthrough more enjoyable to your Genshin fanbase as well. Good call!
This boss was quite fantastic. I too a break from main story after this to do some side-quests, but look forward to what comes next.
i can see your point but i think bronya is right
what she did might be bad, but after all, there will always be a need for an executioner who takes the hate of the people for the greater good
telling the truth would do nothing good, and if anything it would only mean to the people that this might not be the truth, what if bronya is lying and she is actually evil?
after all she claims that mother cocolia, one of the most respectable leaders is a traitor, what makes them believe that bronya isnt the bad guy who killed cocolia to take her place?
instead bronya is taking the bullet for her people by holding the truth for herself so she protects the people and if it comes out one day then she will be the one to take the blame
its a win-win-win for all
its interesting to see all the different views tho
1:41:48 The Engine of Creation is created by the architects, followers of preservation. The only reason they're listening to Cocolia is because she's the supreme guardian. But Cocolia abandoned the will of Preservation and embraced the will of Destruction. So the will of Preservation chosed you.
It's in the name. The "Guardian's Will" is portrayed as a child because children see the best outcome no matter the darkness that surrounds them.
More people need to talk about how good Cocolia's VA is
counterpoint to your counterpoint: truth about stellaron was well kept, until someone came searching just for it. Noone will come searching about what really happened to Cocolia, especially not ppl from outside of the planet. So the lie is pretty much ultra solid, and it is for the best
Been listening to Wildfire non stop for the past week. Goated OST.
like Gepard but I can't believe she believed Cocolia's words more than his sister that's ridiculous, didn't even question it
The OST for this boss fight (Wildfire) is Such a Banger! I added it into my playlist!
the most unrealistic thing about all this is himeno doing enough single target dmg to that robot lmao
The nerd moment when you realize that the Trailblazer is now technically an Emanator of TWO different paths? There’s always a first for everything right?
Trailblazer: "Stellarons are terrible things"
March: **staring at the Trailblazer knowing they have a Stellaron inside them**
Me: ...Yes March, we know what we said
Bronya's voice actor is amazing!
Wildfire is officially my parlor lounge music. I like talking to pompom while listening to that song. Hoyoverse do not disappoint when it comes to music.
Bro same
The problem with telling the truth is not everyone can handle it. And the consequences will be huge. Everyone has their own agendas, imagine another party waiting for Cocolia to die so they can succeed her. No one will believe us, heck some will believe we killed Cocolia ourselves (in a bad way, not because of the stellaron controlling a part of her). They are not there when we fought Cocolia and the Stellaron. And no one but us who have close relation with Bronya can acquit her from the sins of her mother; people in that era will associate the mother from the daughter regardless of their differences.
This boss fight was so good.
I wish March got a chance to take a pic for Serval, felt bad that she never got to see it. That being said, a part of me appreciates the fact that not everything goes perfectly well in the story. I like this realistic ending style.
I disagree with bran this time, telling the Truth and look at the bright side of things is just wishful thinking, everyone is living in a bubble of lies, we just doesn't want to recognize it.
It's also what Bronya meant when she said she can no longer be naive. Bronya is idealistic, but Seele represents the realistic perspective, because that's what she has been living in the Underworld
Lmao he confidently says "eventually everyone will find out" but in reality no one can find out about the truth because only bronya and Seele is the only two people who know that battle and even if they will find out they can't do anything because time already pass to other generation and until then bronya will already make a new foundation in belobog for new guardian
Except Cocolia's memories and will still linger in the Fragmentum, as per Serval's later quest. The things that remnant said may or may not have caused either her or Gepard to put two and two together and figure out that the official story is not quite the whole truth. Point is, the things it said were a dead giveaway for those in the know (us), and such occurrences could well serve to uncover or hint at parts of the truth to anyone as long as the Fragmentum exists (which is, at this point, assumed to be indefinitely). Hell, the same may or may not apply to some past people who interacted with the Stellaron, like Alisa Rand. Svarog also knows parts of the history that was concealed, and there may be further records who knows where - e.g. in the domains now frozen that may well thaw out in time.
So yeah, way too many holes exist for the cover-up to be deemed absolutely secure. And if/when the truth or parts of it are discovered by someone with an intent to oppose either Bronya, or her successors, or any part of the leadership... well, then Bronya will not be presented by them as someone who made a reasonable decision but rather as someone who continued the centuries-long tradition of lies to protect their own reputation. The moment such a boldfaced lie was presented as the official version of events, a bomb was primed to possibly explode at an unspecified time in the future.
@@taederias1804 yeah but the only person that understood cocolia's memories was the trailblazer since they carry the stellaron, and svarog is an architect's machine, he is programmed to follow the guardian's orders blindly, the same applies to the engine of creation, and not only that but the lie will bring people joy, while bronya's leadership will bring trust, disproving it is hard enough, but they also have no reason to doubt it either, and not only that but lying was also the only option, if people lose trust in the guardians the faith on the preservation will be severely damaged which would cause qlipoth to abandon belobog, and he is the whole reason belobog can even survive the eternal freeze
@@LuizGGA Meh, Qlipoth did almost nothing, as far as we have seen or heard. Agents of Destruction (the Antimatter Legion) invaded, the stellaron was used to stop them but that brought on the eternal freeze, and then centuries of faith in the Preservation did literally nothing. Hence why the entity you talk with after "dying" is kind of like "can't really blame Cocolia for abandoning that path". The only thing was Qlipoth responding to the Trailblazer, and that seems hardly the result of anything on the Belobogians' part. Aeons in general and Qlipoth in particular are known to be largely indifferent most of the time anyway.
Also, I definitely got the impression that Serval understood what Fragmentum-Cocolia was saying, it is just not obvious to those not in the know what it all really implied. Not sure where you got that only the Trailblazer understood it, maybe I missed something?
Anyway, point was that we can name more than enough possible failure points in the cover-up right off the bat, and we have not even scratched the surface of whatever documentation contradicting the official narrative may be lying around. (Also personal notes by Cocolia? Written records in the frozen wastes of what past guardians have kept secret?) And there _will_ always be someone out to get you if you are in a position of power. Unverifiable accusations can already do enough damage, but if they are actually true and supported by evidence? Yeah, that is not a good position to be in.
Revealing everything in the moment may not have been a good idea, but keeping it a secret forever is not feasible either. Trying and failing to do so invites another to spin the facts as they see fit, so if you are Bronya, more effective to plan for when, how and what to reveal and thus to some degree control the narrative yourself. Jarilo-VI is not going to just melt out, but life should gradually improve and situation should stabilize, thus a time to do so may well present itself eventually.
@@taederias1804 yeah i agree, but about the whole qlipoth thing, the whole reason why belobog didn't get eradicated by the stellaron and the eternal freeze is because qlipoth was preserving it, the engine of creation, the architects choice in their guardians and the exothermic reactions of the geomarrow that allows human survival are all due to qlipoth's efforts to preserve jarilo-VI, the same way lan - the hunt march with the luofu to erradicate the abundance, they are the forces that move civilizations forward, so i would say he is definetely crucial to belobog's survival
1:46:41
"Why are they acting like nothing happened"
Well remember mr BranOnline.
This is just one Trailblazing expedition out of many many many more trailblazing expeditions that the Astral Express has already done/will do.
Who knows how many more trailblazing expeditions the Astral Express will do and who knows how many and what type of sh*t have they already done.
But one thing that we do know.
For the Astral Express this was Tuesday compared to what they will fight in the future.
Holy hell why does Cocollias VA go so HARD!?
I hope the Tsaritsa has a similar kind of design that Cocolia had in her boss fight.
I really feel like Suspo orchestrated most of the thing that happened in this arc. Just like how Stelaron Hunters do.
If so... I don't get why their faction is branded as bad guys. First, without Kafka place us in the space station, March might be unalive now. It might just also mean that March will play bigger role later. Second, Suspo took Bronya down underground as well... without doing it, things might have been messed up.
As I see it, their intervention is only doing good right now at least.
I'm really enjoying the lore... It's really good 🔥🔥🔥
Sampo might be a stellaron hunter right?
All the cutscenes during the entire Cocolia encounter sealed Trailblazer as 100x more badass than Traveler for me. Not to mention everyone chipping in at certain points. Himeko with her orbital cannon, Bronya taking out enemies, Seele and Dan Heng for the boosts. Trailblazer challenging Cocolia after receiving the power of Preservation. Trailblazer's utter stance of defiance after activating her ult, and then the execution of her ult.
Trailblazer's lance is also the same lance she got impaled with, just set on fire now. She's beating Cocolia with her own weapon.
All of it with the Wildfire song is just *chef's kiss*
Preservation Trailblazer is S-tier. Shields on everything she does (ult, atk, skill). Damage reduction across the entire party using her skill, and 100% base chance to taunt. Increases the survivability of her party massively, but also she herself is just stupid hard to kill.
I have a theory that Sampo is a follower of the Aeon of The Elation, Aha. I can't remember if that is mentioned anywhere in game. When you meet Aha in Simulated Universe, even though it's just a simulation, it's AWARE that it's a simulation, just like Sampo is aware that he may have an audience.
i have a full eidolon destruction trailblazer but preservation is still more versitile
@@fearziel8622 Destruction trailblazer is good, but Preservation feels like it's on a whole 'nother level. I've seen someone use her to solo Cocolia in Simulated Universe. Not to mention that 15% damage reduction to the entire party when using a skill, so not even just great at taunting single-target, amazing for AOE as well.
@@fearziel8622 Do you have mc's preservation at E6?
Its cool how we alr saw all this since the beginning when we drew Nanooks gaze, aka the dragon fight. We got flashes of the future
I feel like the ending was never meant to be satisfying. At least from the trailblazers' pov, it's not their business what Bronya and Seele decides for the sake of their planet.
Sure they helped them fix their stellaron issue, but as outsiders they don't have the right to dictate the fate of Jarilo-IV. March did make a suggestion to tell the truth, but she didn't push her agenda onto Bronya.
There was a lady in boulder town that I talked to who influenced my decision to lie (plus I just wanted to be the devil's advocate except I never expected them to actually lie lol).
She was saying something like how the guardian must have a reason for closing off the underworld and how if they can't trust the guardian who can they trust. And idk it gave me the sense that everyone in belobog were literally on their last leg and if this betrayal was revealed, absolutely nobody would have the will to live on or build up what's been lost and the people didn't need this lost faith on top of everything.
Oh even if they were found out later, at least belobog wouldn't be at the brink of extinction then so a civil war or wtv wouldn't kill off everyone, at least that was my logic.
Regardless even I was surprised by what happened, it was a refreshing take none the less.
Every fucking butler in anime is named Sebas or Sebastian
Bran, I love your naive belief about all the politics, but you're probably wrong on wanting to tell the truth. Normally, I would too, but the world is already on the brink of civil war. The underground has created their own army for protection and have acted already. All in a world that's dying and needs to be united in order to survive. The war that will come from telling the truth will ravage what little resources are left. They need a reprieve to do research and re-connect and restore preservation's power.
It doesn't matter if/when the truth will come out. The further away the truth comes, the more time they have to try to fix the world. Look at things like Native Americans and the exploitation of their resources. Everyone knew about it, and even up to this day, they haven't gotten their resources back and are still treated unfairly. revealing a truth that actually hurt everyone, not just undergrounders, but upworlders too does nothing. The reparations can't be made, the stolen lives can't be restored. Meanwhile, the one person with the skill to fix things, the trust of the people to do so, and the knowledge of preservation and is also a candidate to be a vessel of qploth will lose all trust and be seen as someone grabbing for power like her mother. Bronya is needed in so many ways, even in the mystical 'chosen one' sense. And there are no other valid candidates known. She has to take the mantle of leadership and revealing the truth will destroy that chance.
I completed this quest yesterday cuz I wanted to get to the new region. The fight with Cocolia was so epic. The OST was banger.
I was little worried about your comp might kill cocolia before casting the skill😂
I look forward to your fight with the deer friend
This boss fight clearly broke the internet 😅
the most of years people live and die underground without normal medicine, food, and then when they wake up telling them truth ? I think sometime people need not truth but hope.
I kind of agree. The people could find out. By following the game logic. There are echoes of the fight what if a normal person run into them. They find out who cocolia really was and the difference with what they were told. The trust you build for centuriees can be lost in an instant. Because it is easier to destroy than to build.
During Serval's companion quest line, you do run into an echo of cocolia. However, only the MC can understand what it says, and echoes of past guardians being hostile is a known thing, at least among the Silvermane guards. I think the secret will be kept.
''Say that to the People of Teyvat'' Hits so hard. Ahaa.a... Imagine when it becomes known to the whole Teyvat, that the sky and everything they believed is just... a lie. It would be even better fun than if secret came out about 700 deceit of Guardians.....
13:52 yes exactly lol I think you missed it by not asking the questions to Sampo but he describes Gepard as this handsome guy (doesn’t say anything particularly about Serval looks). Ig you can brush it off and pass it as whatever you like but from that moment it made me a hard Gepampo whatever the name is for this ship, believer
The name I've seen often is Sampard 😉
Really neat fact if you go back and explore you can still see Gepard, Serval, Clara and Svarog, Seele and Natasha and talk to them. Not sure about Bronya and Hook but its possible
If I were in Bronya's situation I'm not sure what I would do. I would probably tell the truth about the previous guardians from the 1st to the 17th. Cocolia would be difficult but I would probably do what Bronya did in the respect.
That fight with cocolia was so epic! And Awwww I kinda want to see you playing other side quests hidden quests like the one with the ghost of previous guardian, and the companion quests too! XD
I don't really mind the whole lie aspect. Jarilo-VI is kind of barely getting by. If the lie gets them through long enough to be in a better spot, then I'd say it's worth it. They can't afford distrust right now.
The boss fight was pretty chill, but also epic since they added music
YESSS I WAS WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO LETS GOOOOO
March: well, another villain is dead
There are some great boss fights in Genshin but none of them gave me chills like this one did
Who the fuck cut out the entire fight scene with the best music 💀
? It's right there lol unless I'm missing something
I will never be able to unsee march looking like a primogem 😂
It's best for common people doesn't knows the truth, let the one in charge decide what ever they want to dig the truth and what will they do with the truth
Only Bran could turn such a simple concept of a white lie into a heated argument. He even uses the same counter points for his opinion to tell the truth that Bronya herself uses to justify her lying to the people. The way i see it, neither option is necessarily "good", but if telling a lie is what stops chaos from breaking out, then i think that's much better than telling the truth and hoping for the best.
ITS FINALLY HERE IVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOUR REACTION
1:45:50 FR MAN, I was like, yall just stf up for a moment, girl's damn mother became ashes
See I agree with Bran, a lie is a lie and I still hate it... now here comes my long thread:
This is an easier and faster way of building trust but it's not a clean one, I would rather someone hate or be disappointed in me for a lie than have them love me for a lie and something I haven't done or something I am hiding. You build a great thing on a dirty base it will collapse sooner or later, it doesn't matter how many years it take, it's gonna happen sooner or later and future generations will pay the prise. You start from Zero with a clean base and a new start, and work hard for a new era, you will earn the love of your people. It's not easy, no trust, no love, hate, hell a civil war or a revolution might actually start, but clean starts start from zero, and this way, you will earn all that you have built and be much stronger than before and you won't have to carry the burdens of the lies that continued for centuries.
I literally had the exact same reaction when they covered up th truth i also would have told the truth
1:43:22 the real battle begins
2:30:02 i was a bit upset cuz you accidentally cut a very interesting line from dan heng lmao, I was waiting for your reaction to it but oh well it wasn’t on purpose so. The dialogue goes something like this:
March: Bronya said she’s willing to wait 700 years for us…
March: Dan Heng how long can humans live for?
Dan Heng (in a weirdly serious and somber tone): Forever… but at that point… they should hardly be considered humans anymore.
March: Gee why so serious all of a sudden?
Dan Heng: …
Idk just seems kinda relevant about dan heng in specific
love watching people's excitement during this boss fight from the music
There's positives and negatives to the truth and to the lie I just wanted them to break the cycle of lies 😭😭
I think it's very hard to disprove the lie. The only people at the top of Everwinter Hill & the snow plains were the Trailblazing team. The snow plains lie far past the front lines and soldiers were actively battling the fragmentum prior to it and during the time we are fighting. In terms of the soldiers, it's extraordinarily unlikely that one would abandon everyone fighting and just run up a mountain to witness the truth. They'd either die by running through the fragmentum and back or be disgraced from society when they returned and viewed as someone who abandoned their brothers and fellow soldiers in a time of need. They'd easily be laughed out of society and probably the government would arrest or detain them. It's almost impossible that a civilian makes it out there considering the multiple layers of security and dangerous journey for a non-combat adept person to get there.
An outsider to Belobog would likely not be trusted for their version of events and we're not even sure if people live outside of Belobog in Jarilo VI.
It's really hard for the lie to get objectively disproven. There are definitely going to be many who are suspicious, but as in real life, the government can label them conspiracy theorists or slam them into irrelevance (much like those warning that Afghanistan didn't have WMDs and that the government was lying, though unlike real life, there's no way to solidly prove their point)
People have short memories and are very likely to accept the "truth" told to them without much coercion, and while that's a sad fact of life, it's much better than the implications of what occurs otherwise.
I agree with you that the government ideally is completely honest and transparent with their people save for the most important secrets (i.e. military positions in combat, etc.) But realistically sometimes the truth would be worse than a lie (although many times it is better). In this specific case it's been several years and the Underworld has taken a huge hit from the segregation of the Over and Underworld. They are tense, view the Overworlders as being oppressors and have genuine grievances that need to be address. It would be made so much worse by confirming their biases and result in a civil war that just destroys an already crippled dormant world. Realistically in 20 years even if the truth does come out, there will be much less strife and emotions after successful reparation of the bonds between the Over and Underworld and likely given the autocratic state, if it did come out it'd be the back page of a news paper under the corrections.
How often do you see a headline and then 48 hours later it's untrue and they quietly delete or correct the article. How many people actually see that and think about it?
The consequences for telling the truth is thousands of people dead and a complete collapse of society, the advance of the fragmentum and destruction of both the over and underworlds. The consequences for the lie in the long run are likely way better.
I think people don't realize that in the span of a couple days (maybe a week, idk the timeline), Belobog has found out that aliens exist and have come to "trailblaze their planet", that after 10 years the underworld was visited by a person who is essentially their princess and their Queen died in an incident only witnessed by 5 people, 3 of which were previously accused of plotting to overthrowing the rulers.
Could you imagine how life changing those 3 events are in the span of a few days? And I'm not even getting into the finer details here. Finding out the "truth" about your world and its history at a point like that would be next to impossible to believe.
Just imagine that from the perspective of an ordinary citizen. Climate change is killing us and a bunch of aliens come and tell us that something called a Stellaron is killing our planet (that's already too hard to believe, but they're aliens....so maybe they know something we don't know).
Next you hear these aliens actually want to overthrow the government and have disappeared with our princess into the underworld, a place sealed off for 10 years now. Imagine being in the underworld and seeing your princess and a bunch of aliens walking down the street.
Then! You find out that with the help of a local Rockstar, these aliens broke into the restricted zone, beat up a bunch of guards and the gigachad Captain Gepard. Then they disappeared into the restricted zone and came back to tell you your Queen is now dead.
That's crazy! And all that actually happened. So imagine the real truth behind it all, it would be too much. Hell these people just found out cellphones exist and now you want to tell them the government has been lying and the Queen was trying to kill them all? Why not tell them about devils in the Goethe hotel while you're at it😂
finally i've been waiting for this
Cocolia the La Signora.... Both are blonde n a mommy
I have a theory. Is scarlet king's forgotten knowledge the same as cocolia's stellaron? Is forbidden knowledge a stellaron? Because forbidden knowledge is a kind of mysterious power that comes from outside the world. This is really interesting.
That might be interesting, and considering some rumor that we also gonna visit teyvat later, that might be related
Well for all we know everything that happen in honkai impact might also be influenced by the stellaron. Herscherr core, Gnosis, Aeon seed, all of that might even be related for better or worse
Well, it's confirmed by the director that all of or just HI3rd, GI and HSR is connected. (Gun Girls Z, GGZ2 [too many names it's under], etc works.
There is this line before you go to Dunn..
If you stand just next to the outpost/ticket selling looking thing.
Its Dun getting told Serval is coming and he asking the other guards if he smells.. cause it's been two days since he showered lol..
Love that dude.
Serval i play piano you must understand! Love this line😂
13:48 I FUCKING FLINCHED WHEN I HEARD THIS I DIDN'T EXPECT IT LMFAOOOOO 😭😭😭😭😭 so real
Welt, our anxious daddy. he's got the anxiety, but we still loves him.
As a random NPC in Herta's bunker stated, "Sometimes a broken spirit is more fatal than a broken body." We've seen how loyal and dedicated the knights are, and the truth would not only break the people's faith, but the knights. The truth would destroy their pride and their livelihood. I guess its the idea of sacrificing the truth for the many. After all, the system itself wasn't broken, it was one VERY misguided leader.
People will learn the truth (or speculate) but time does heal, and trust could be reformed. They could be like, "yeah, that guardian hundreds of years ago was CRAZY, but the one after was so much better because she stopped her!" 😂
1:16:50 I tend to play with my Story team, so it's already...yeah
I played TB, Dan, March, Luocha -> Gallagher (for an Abundance char). No compatibility in the main trio against her lol
0:33 mm
Shes so much more emotional than her animation so its like...good delivery but it feels awkward sm
45:00 lol i received it like ... _if she "revealed everything to you" you wouldn't be reprimanding us like this
I figured he didn’t know the whole whole truth
Wildfire in the snowy lands
37:18 cracks me up
bran's political IQ is negative huh
I’m surprised you weren’t comparing Cocolia’s icy form with Signora the whole time lol