Living in a Culture that Hates You.
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Natasha Crain and I dive into some of today's most pressing cultural issues through the lens of Christian values. Christians are increasingly being "hated" in today's society. We discuss this as well as the importance of advocating for the common good despite opposition and unpacking the very misunderstood (and confusing) topic of Christian nationalism. Plus, we touch on some shocking revelations about the goals of certain LGBTQ activists, the controversial Kinsey reports, and the impact of queer theory.
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I watched a show a while back where a gay man who worked at a gay club as a stripper was asked by his boss to dance on a float at a gay pride parade. It was one of the earlier parades decades ago and he had not himself been to one. He said he would do it and that it would be fun to dance on a float (not sure if this was clothed or not, I am assuming very little clothing if any). Then his boss handed him a bag of candies. He asked what the candies were for, and his boss said to throw out to kids. He asked in shock if kids were really going to be there. His boss said, yes there should be some. The man said no, he was not participating. Decades later, he said he never attended a pride parade.
For years the gay community fought accusations of them being a danger to children. Now, in their desperation to get support in numbers they have largely backtracked heavily to the values they fought for. I can't help but notice how deeply compromised they have become especially on the issue of child safety.
If you ever see someone using "age is a social construct" ... such a person, better check their hard drive! Look at R Kelly...he wrote a song called "Age Ain't Nothing But A Number", and then it turned out he liked 'em young. REAL young. 🚩🚩🚩
I started reading your book today. I just finished reading about your Grandmother's library and I love the smell of books too! Well written, Melissa! Thank-you
It is hard as a fundamental Christian to work in workplace unless you just keep your mouth shut and go with their goals.
It really is. I've learned to test the waters with offhand comments every so often..like dipping your toes in a stream. Prayers helps to determine if you should pursue further or not, but there is usually at least one who will listen. Pick your moments, wait for a slow time when you can talk without interruption. Let them lead the conversation, but He is in everything..keep steering it back to Him. Pray that they heard your words, that seeds were sown, and that they have a heart to zealously search out our King. I am in no way about christian nationalism, my only objective is to share the love that I have been given and warn of the times we are in. Deception is abundant, but God is True and He never changes. Love is not forced, it is offered. What CN leads to is just another repeat of the witch hunts and crusades..a return to death for anathema as it was in ancient times. The laws are already passed and waiting to be enforced (noahide). Be sure your house is built on the Rock, and invite as many to take shelter with you as you can. The storm is upon us.
Yes it is because I had to have a conversation with someone who was pushing penal substitutionary atonement on me and I had to ask why would God be an accomplice to human violence?
Hi there Melissa. I haven't yet watched this ep. I have some news. I ordered your book 'Happy Lies' some time ago. Yesterday I asked my son George to check the mail. He asked "Why? You get all your stuff online".I said "I dunno. I ordered a book a while ago". He came back with some leaflets. No book.Anyway today, I opened my front door and there it was. I'm excited. I must say that I accidentally found your channel. You were a youtube video that rolled over after something else I had watched. I'm very glad for that. Look forward to reading. Cheers Craig.
While it's a bit tricky to figure out how Christians should operate in a democracy (since the Roman Empire certainly wasn't one), I think a clear clue is in Jesus' statement to Pilate when asked if He was a king: “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” As servants of Jesus, we belong to the kingdom of heaven first and foremost. Which earthly country we were born into (or are citizens of) comes in a very far second place. The second thing I would look at is how the early Christians operated within the Roman Empire in the Book of Acts. The "turned the world upside down" (Acts 17:6) according to their enemies. How did they do that? By taking over the Empire? No, by preaching the gospel to every person they came across and living totally different lives to everyone else. That is what we ought to be doing, rather than dreaming of political power.
Amen amen
Absolutely!
Beautifully put. Thank you.
God’s kingdom never stops advancing. Like yeast put into the bread you can’t stop the yeast from spreading into the whole loaf. You can’t remove the yeast you just get to watch it grow
AMEN!!!🙏🏾
I'm trying to get a Biblical World View out on all of my social media and in all of my conversations. Studying Apologetics resources has helped a lot!!
It would be so interesting to hear a follow up conversation from people more knowledgeable about the topic: from a theonimist or a self proclaimed Christian nationalist, for example. These are very deep conversations about how Christian’s should view the role of government. They’re the types of philosophical conversations that our founding fathers had. I really like that Natasha is explaining that this is a derivative term applied to Christians.
(14:23) I am one of those people who hear that term and it sets off an alarm to me. Because it is heavily associated with "the end/goal justifies the means," which is a common practice of many today. I dont like using "their" terminology, because it is associated with justifying certain acts/deeds that ought not be.
I have never heard that term used that way. I think you, as well as those in the video, may be thinking of "The Greater Good", which is directly associated with that "Ends Justify the Means".
@@joshuahampton6141 I understand OP's perspective, since it is often associated with morally relative utilitarianism, post-modern ethical standards which are often any but that.
You cannot equate imposing specific religious beliefs on those who don't ascribe to it, as being the same as the speed limit.
@jealvarado68
My comment is about how I am like one of the people she's referring to because of a term/phrase and what it reminds me of, or what I associate with the term/phrase, and it is not regarding things like speed limits or traffic laws.
@joshuahampton6141
Thank you. I think i probably am mixing the two and just fused them together in my mind? Or have heard others maybe mix or misuse them as well? I also appreciate that
commenter "CCrescence" sort of got the jist of what I was saying too😄 which, I think I was the example of what the author in this video was referring to. There appears to be some of us who get tripped by that phrase or a similar sounding phrase and associate it with , the end justifies the means, or for what someone considers to be justified in violating an individuals rights for "the greater good," (yes, as you said).
Great discussion. Melissa, thank you for having Natasha back on. Natasha, I read and really enjoyed your book, Faithfully Different. How you tackle the hard topics and break them down with such grace is honorable. I'm looking forward to reading this one as well. I pray God's blessings for you both 🙏🏽
My copy of the book arrived today! I'm still reading Happy Lies and a couple of others at the moment, so it'll be a few days before I start Natasha's. 📚
My copy arrives today!
God has not called us to change the government, he has called to disicple people who are his children
Amen
If the nations are discipled, won’t that affect the politics of those nations? And it has often been the case that cultures were turned Christian by people evangelizing the nation’s kings and royals. Plus all authority in Heaven and on earth has been given to Christ. Doesn’t that mean that the authorities on earth who have now been given to Christ should start ruling well under Him?
@@jameslogan6286the Popes tried it. It was called the Dark Ages for a good reason. Never again….
It is grossly oversimplifying things to say we are only called to disciple his children. We are called to be the light of the world. We are called to be salt and light. Salt preserves. Light reveals what hides in the darkness.
Jesus literally debated His government officials including lawyers His entire career.
Sexual abuse Awareness training teaches about “grooming” and what to watch for. What the schools are doing to keep secrets from parents, as well as the books they are providing in the school libraries are grooming 101, in plain sight.
Dear Natasha, long answers are great! We need the info to understand the situation.
And Melissa, what a great interviewer you are!
Thank you for bringing up these topics and knowledgeable people who can shed light on things of importance ❤
Thank you both for your dedication
I think that, when people say this stuff is fringe and would never be mainstream, things like drag queen story hour and gay marriage are good points to bring up even aside from what was said here. If you told people 20 years ago that we'd be having drag queens reading to children, most people wouldn't have believed it. Go back 40 years, and even many gay people didn't want gay marriage, cos they saw it as an outdated tradition poorly suited to gay people. And yet here we are today, where all this stuff is normalised and/or politically and legally enforced.
So saying something is fringe *now* doesn't matter, cos it doesn't mean it'll always be that way.
Because, not cos.
This might possibly be in the top 5 of your most important video.
Great talk! Natasha really has an amazing gift of explaining complicated matters in a very comprehensive way. I really enjoy watching your interview videos, I always learn about things I hardly ever heard about. But at the same time, I have to admit that hearing about the queer agenda was very disturbing, to say the least.
I just bought her book on amazon and cant wait to read it.
I just saw an advertisement on Facebook of your book from Zondevan #1 best selling list congratulations Melissa! I have not ordt it as of yet, but I certainly intend on making the purchase.
Kudos to use sister!
Great conversation, and very helpful points. I will have to read Natasha’s book! ❤
Yes Melissa! Thank you! This is so needed!
Stephen Wolfe ( The case for Christian Nationalism) really is dangerous. We need to be careful of who we align ourselves with. We also need to fight for Christian values and boldly speak the truth even if it's unpopular.
Have you read the book? If so, please explain why it's dangerous?
@@thimychan202 I have not read Wolfe's book. I have read Neil Shinvi's review and listened to James Lindsey's podcasts on Christian Nationalism. It appears Wolfe wants America to be a Theocracy ruled by a "Christian Prince" with very strict moral laws and no freedom of religion or free speech.
The left is trying to link all Christians ( conservatives ) to Stephen Wolfe. We need to do two things. Distance ourselves from actual ( dangerous ) Christian Nationalist and we need to continue speaking the truth even if society brands us as Christian Nationalists
Have you read his book or listened to him speak?
I agree with you. I attended the church that publishes his book for many years. The outworking of Christian Nationalism at the local level is scary and oppressive. I say that as a very conservative Christian.
Theonomy accidentally conflates the old and new covenants, thereby minimizing the effects of the gospel on culture. Theonomy sees God’s character as perfectly imaged in the OT civil law, which causes a very different outlook on women, nationality, snd slavery.
I have had the book on pre-order and can't wait to get it in my hands ❤
Also ordered your book!
I wonder what those “biblical world view” test questions are.
Ask the Puritans who were burning witches or Calvin who was burning heretics. Or Luther the Jew hater. These monsters are still revered. Their theology still taught.
So happy to hear how this video closed. Christians treating government as the rings of power is a huge issue.
It was God, not Sauron, who instituted governments to be HIS wrath against wrongdoing. It's not a trap. It's a responsibility.
When officers of government refuse to punish what is wrong (or worse, actively punish what is right) that should be a serious issue for all believers, as the Lord requires of us to do justice (Micah 6:8).
Well said.
Thank you Melissa
Greatly appreciated the interview!!
Quite an interesting take on Christian nationalism. Please invite others who speak on this as well that provide a different/nuanced perspective specifically looking at it from both a historical and contemporary perspective as well. Jemar Tisby (a Historian and Theologian in the US) has done some great work on this topic.
I’m ordering it! ❤thank you sisters in the Lord.
I think a lot of the issue is that most self-professed Christian Nationalist are the loudest and most hypocritical, and that's what I see. We want the nation to follow Gods morality, but I know from scripture it starts from the heart and that the world will do what it wants without regard (Romans 1:18-32)
Not having watched the vudeo yet, this comment made me think:
The wife, being in submission to her husband, has very specific instructions on how to turn his heart to God. That is not through brute force, nagging, chastising, or coercion, but rather through prayer, humility, grace, and being an example of what God's will enacted through a person is.
Perhaps citizens, being in submission to the state should act as the wife does to an unbelieving husband. I do love the idea of Christian nationalism, I mean, what Christian doesn't want to see a reflection of God's holy kingdom here on earth? The problem is we would likely have to use un-christ-like means to achieve that by force.
Slow, steady changing of the national heart to God, and then maintaining that change, seems much more feasible and sustainable.
But it would be best not to forget who our true bridegroom is, lest we become adulterous, worshiping the things of the world.
I dunno. Great comment! It really inspired some thought.
Thanos in Marvel and Steppenwolf in DC.
Come to think of it I suppose we could add Ultron, Ra’s Al Ghul, and Magneto… probably most villains have convinced themselves that their machinations are for the ultimate good of the world.🤪
Great podcast (as usual)!
I’ll be picking up Natasha’s book.
Great video, Melissa! Two brilliant minds right here!
I love your videos by the way 😊, thank you for doing this! I want to buy your book
Yeah, I would say the term “Christian nationalism“ is a very slippery term. You have no idea what the person is talking about when they use it. You have to make sure to ask many questions and make a point to understand the person’s view. I’ve heard Christian nationalism defined as simply as God giving man the Ten Commandments as a way to judge their government on how tyrannical or righteous it is.
When I usually mention the idea of Christian nationalism, I specifically mention Kingdom Now, Rushdoonyism and the Seven Mountains Mandate so it's clear how I understand the term. That's different from trying to bring government in line with a broad Christian worldview. But like you said - that's not how everyone uses it.
My copy of your book shipped this morning!
Bless You!
I just pre-ordered it! U cannot wait to read it.
This book when culture hates you is ganna be good one.Thank you for writing it.
That was REALLY, REALLY good. Thank you both!
Thank you Mellissa, very good interview.
Thank you both for this insite! Getting the book and will recommend it
I know this isn't related to the topic discussed in the video but please can you do a video explaining the origins of vision boards and how it entered into the church?
LutheranSatire’s video on Christian Nationalism was awesome.
Great interview and I look forward to getting the book!
I purchased your book and have added this to my next book purchase list!
So SO good! I will be sharing this!
Joe Schimmel, a strong conservative, has done a good job addressing Christian nationalism. I think more Christians need to address it.
The term was actually introduced by papal encyclicals like Rerum Nevarum, Fratelli Tutti and Pacem in Terris. The common good is defined as the conditions that allow people to reach their full potential, both as individuals and as groups. It includes the material, spiritual, intellectual, cultural, and financial well-being of people”. It is a movement initiated for manipulation of inter-religious organizations.
The gospel is not a social movement, but the Catholic Church advocates for Catholic Social thinking, as a manner to look Christian as they lack the biblical support for their church.
Fantastic discussion. Natasha's book sound so interesting! Going on my TBR!
Great conversation, thank you 🙏🏾
Separation of church and state is a most, the book the Great Controversy is about history of what happened when church and state where together
You should interview Dr. Josh Buice, founder of G3 Ministries and pastor at Pray's Mill Baptist Church. You could talk about the importance of eldership, being a member of a local church and biblical church discipline (which is rarely practiced in most churches). He's a friend. I could connect you.
It’s funny I’ve been asked if I am a Christian before and when I answer yes and then I am asked if I go to church and I say yes they often look surprised. That says something.
How can you address Christian nationalism without looking at the conversation around whether or not Christian’s should try to change the government?
If you are waiting for the rapture, why should you care about whether change is a Christian obligation?
This is a great conversation!
Just bought the book!
Just received my copy today. 👏
Not gonna lie this topic makes me uncomfortable because I have met many Christian nationalists who are racist and not loving. But because it’s you Melissa I will watch with an open mind.
Edit: I’m glad I kept an open mind and watched. You e shown me that what I thought was Christian nationalism isn’t even really Christian nationalism at all but a buzz word to ostracize Christians and some people are playing right into it. Thank you for the nuanced conversation. I would be interested in the rest of the book.
Bought her book today and am reading it!
Can't fix Rome by voting for Caesar
Can't fix Rome at all
I agree!
Whom, may I ask(?) is the "Caesar" you are referring to?
"The world needs Christians to be salt and light." 🙌
Maybe start by exposing the violent, bloody, authoritarian history of organized Xtianity. Let's shed some light on THAT!
Too often, it's one type of christian against a true to bible christian
What does Natasha Crain and King Soloman have in common?
Wisdom. [Although 700 wives & 300 concubines does not seem very wise to me].
Wisdom is sought early in true knowledge.
Wisdom comes from God.
No, your analogy is good! You can use King Solomons concubines as a perfect example. King Solomon is still known (to this day) as one of Israels wisest kings, BUT the story of Solomon still holds valuable lessons into what happens when you start following the world and not God...
Whenever I hear of someone using the term “sexual liberation” I know the result will be just the opposite. “And you will be hated by all nations for my names sake.” Matthew 24:9
I really love your content so I was so sad to see that this was the conversation on Christian Nationalism that you had on your channel. I consider myself to be a moderate, so I don't connect with either politial party here in the United States, but Christian Nationalism is so closely connected to racism, it saddens me.
I agree 100%!
Natasha, I love your videos, but this one is slightly below par. Your guest described how many people,and mainstream media, define Christian Nationalism, but did not give us her's.
Was a little disappointed you didn't ask her.
Christians need to look out for the spiritual condition of their brothers and sisters.
And there are many pastors who love caring for others, but need to remember not to bring others into disrepute.
@16:00 culture will show the gaping holes in the Christian basis for objective morality by forcing the believer to admit the morality that they claim is objective and universal is simply contextual and cherrypicked
God gave us Free Will, so we would Willingly try to understand God's Will, and willingly give our lives over to His Guidance. Any Government Laws, or even Religious Laws, that hinder our Individual Rights to Find God, and understand His Grace, at our own speed (or do the opposite, for that matter), is Anti-Christian. Some of the best people I've known, have struggled, a life time, but eventually find God's Truth... Love Each Other, and Love God, through Jesus the Christ!
This is something I think about a lot, that if we legislate morality then more people will fail to uphold the first commandment which underpins all of God's law which is to love him and fulfil the commandments out of that love.
On the other hand, a completely lawless society would have us all living in survival mode and that would be at odds with God's laws at times.
The ideal is to regulate society enough to live as we choose, (without pretending that all choices are the same or without consequence), and to then use that freedom to serve God.
@@rebeccaw2300 Yeah. Now that I reread my comment, It sounds like I meant "No Laws" LOL That's not what I meant. We do need basic laws and regulations, or people will run over each other. I just think that "Law Makers" tend to over-step their Power and Authority. We need to have enough lead way, in our own decision making, so that we have to deal with the consequences (good and bad), so we can Learn from our mistakes and successes. Without Learned Lessons, we'd be hard pressed to understand the difference between Good and Bad... and therefore, find a better understanding of God, and appreciate His Guidance.
People are dropping into Hell every day. Yet if we are concerned for lost souls, we are hated, for loving them and sharing Salvation (Lu.2:30) outloud. God has promises of mercy in His Word! ❤
Back when the Puritans were burning witches at the stake probably 100% of them had a biblical worldview such as you describe. Turns out the culture had to teach the church that we shouldn't criminalize people doing their own thing...
Speaking of books, yours finally arrived here at the bottom of the world (I live in New Zealand) - yay!
Pastor Voddie Bauchman has been sounding this alarm over a decade. Great message.
Rom 1:32 seems duplicitous with regard to "approval" and physical "participation". Then read Eze 33 about warning the wicked absent which we are as guilty as the "perpetrators", guilty together with them. Then read Rom 2:1-3 even IF we speak out, judge, but accept and condone absent of any sanction, albeit social, just like the one not speaking out at all, we are guilty with them. Persecute, no, correct and sanction socially, have to. Not negotiable.
The world's view of the Bible is irrelevant compared to the Bible's view of the world.1John 2:17, Jeremiah 17:9
Jesus: "Remember, they hated me first"
Yes, we are resting a bit before we go.
Remember we have several points to come from.
The first important one is American country sought God's authority and said we need to let the author of life be our guide.
Many nations other Israel had leaders who later changed their countries paths of being ruled by those other than people seeking God's authority.
Even Israel went a stray because God himself was leading their nation and they wanted a king like the other nations around them.
The creation of America was because a majority of people who took upon the long trip across the "pond" and ventured about and wanted to be separated from the Kings Authority and have their own place to worship. But it was pushed back by the King and demanded they pay taxes and other goods be sent back to the King without properly being awarded fairly. These men were highly educated, highly skilled, and religion played a major role in their daily lives. Other nations were Godless and godlessness played a majority of their rules to rule.
When you had a country brand new as America was, they saw a need to separate and without the help of other foreign countries who gave arms and military assistance, they fought for their rights to be a country to have freedom from, freedom of, and allow themselves to be seekers of the Gospel vs being controlled by a king and worked up together to become the United States. Of course there was issues and growing pains but the focus was Godly vs after thought like countries before.
There is a huge difference between a country seeking Godlessness vs a country whose purpose was to be ruled by Godly principles from the Gospel.
In Old Testament culture, there were age groups for vows. You could not go to war until after you were 20 years old [Numbers 1:3]. If you cannot keep a vow, which the age group of 20-60 could keep, you cannot live on your own [Leviticus 27:1-7].
What I do not fully understand is what good does it do if the government and society at large is morally more good, in accordance with the biblical definition, if they are not saved? I do not understand this...Jesus said that His kingdom is not of this World/Age, for had it been His followers would fight for Him...we are to preach the Gospel and make disciples of Christ...I do not understand how we benefit this goal by doing battle in the political arena..my thoughts, and my conscience on the matter...blessings from Sweden here 😊👍😊
To me it matters what kind of culture you want to raise children in, and the USA was founded on Christian principles of respect, responsibility and freedom.
Christian Nationalism in a nutshell:
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All who live godly in Christ will suffer persecution.
You can not serve two master's.
I choose to try my best to serve the LORD. The only kingdom that matters to me is HIS!
Nationalism is just the default. It's the extremes which are the problem. People have to choose security, sovereignty or robber barons.
Never heard of Christian Nationalism until now!
The common good. Isn't that why the Puritans burned witches at the stake? Isn't that why Calvin burned heretics at the stake? And people still read the Puritans and Calvin.
Is it me or does she seem like a intelligent and coherent kay Nash, brilliant points btw
Thank you ....
I’m definitely going to get this book. I think it will fit well with the book I just finished: Christian Counter-Culture-the Message of the Sermon on the Mount, by John Stott. Highly recommend this book, he goes deep into the scripture and is so good at explaining things!
What is biblical definition of God
People tend to accept what’s close to them through a loved one, “child, sibling etc) and blur the lines of God’s morality because of fear of choosing God over family.
Be encouraged that there are numerous parent support groups online for parents that are holding to God’s morality. They are not as vocal about this as the affirming crowd due to consideration for their “loved one.”
True, many do! But, with much prayer, I think it boils down to several verses in Scripture that point to how God wants us to put Him first! And if there is Anything that tries to come between that relationship with Him, then ~ Mathew 19:29 ... And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life. ~ Berean Study Bible ✝📖🔎
@@bonniemoerdyk9809 Very true. Many of us have estranged children because of it. This verse is a confirmation to me as we are one of those parents.
Kindly talk about:
ROBERT HENDERSON - COURTS OF HEAVEN
MICHAEL HEISER - UNSEEN REALM
JORDAN PETERSON - JUNGIAN/Pseudo-Christianity
Thank you sweet Melissa 🥰
So I guess my question would be is the government of the world?
There is an actual definition of Christian Nationalism. This is the most ignorant podcast I have listened to. Clearly, you have no idea what Christian Nationalism is or you’re just lying.
I think the idea is more that the term has been used so loosely as a pejorative that when you try to pin down what people actually mean when they use it that way, it's become quite nebulous, no matter what the original definition is.
Wow - separation of Church & State is a misunderstanding?! I would like to know the legal expertise these two speakers have regarding the Constitution. I'd guess it's ZERO.
@@jealvarado68our forefathers wrote about this to keep the govt out of the church (as they were fleeing from that), but instead the majority of people feel it's about keeping the church out of govt.
American “Christians” are so funny😂😂😂.
@8:00 because he was seen as a man telling the pharasees he was God and upending their religious beliefs.