New 2018 Porsche Panamera 4 - 971 second generation
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- With the release of the new 971 Porsche Panamera we see the next generation of Porsche interior styling. Lets take a closer look.
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If i had a dollar for every time nick said Im 6 foot tall when he reviews the back seat of a car...
Hey Tristan.... Do you know how tall I am?
I'm only 5'12" :(
Nick Murray, how tall are you mate? He he
We'd all be rich
Added to that big pile of dollars for every time that piece of classic music plays at the start 😜
I think it's safe to say that Porsche is Nick's favorite car company :)
that was scary how you took that corner. and after that judging how much better this model handles. you are a genius!
Revisiting this video for the 4th time
I drove the new 4S at a Porsche event a weeks ago. It had gobs of torque compared to the old car. Handling was much improved. Options are pricey. My test car stickered at well over $100k.
Piano black... aka speakers year 2005. Classy! ;)
10:32 the electronically controlled dash vent. An unbelievable example of form over function. I imagine the genesis of this feature is someone objecting that a vent toggle blemishes the center console.
Hey Nick - I will be in Connecticut next month and i look forward to catch up with you if you are avilable
It is great to see Albert getting out of the madhouse for a bit.
Nick, the original Panamera was model years 2010-16, not 2017. The new model is model year 2017, became available in US in April. The old model Turbo handled well and was a beast. The new model tech is overly engineered IMHO and is not intuitive. As u note, it is difficult to find the info u want on the screen especially when driving. It can be confusing. You reviewed a close to base model, and options are $. The 4s seemed pretty underpowered. The Turbo is quick, but by the time you spec it out you are at $180k.
this center vent... wtf? But it reminds me a bit of the center vent in the 928. Nice review, Nick!
Good news, they didn't carry on the vent on the new Cayenne.
Thanks , great insight !
The old one had such a large amount of tire hum.. I hated the gearbox too. Didn't feel all that premium
If they went to the trouble to engineer the power vent, is it at least tied into the memory setup for individual drivers??
oh those nice sporty "Laytha" seats
just took a look at the new cayenne at my dealer, amazing family car. are we expecting a review coming shortly?
How is accidental touch? Could you turn the stabilisation control off by accident if you put your arm on the middle console?
excellent review Nick
What about Panamera Sport Turismo ? That's a nice shooting brake. Btw great video once again !
Yes!!!! Finallllly, haha! Thanks Nick!
this piano black buttons look too cheap to me, especially the direction (Blinker) sticks, also would not want to see the fingerprints all over - I prefer the previous gen buttons, ...
You're hogging the left lane again, Nick!
watching this careful cleaning skills, somehow I thought I've subscribed to serial killer vlog.
what is the name of this classical music
3:54 I thought you said "catching up with the Sentra".....
Is Panamera a 4 door 911 or far from it?
Far far far from it
Tui at 13:31💕💕💕💕
LOL.....I don't think he ever drove one of the nice versions on the original car. My 4S has plenty of torque down low.....and sounds a lot better than the turbo 6!
Yes the S version and above were fine, I was talking about he base models, just under powered.
Agreed, the V6 versions of the 970 were a little under powered, 4S+ versions were good. On the handling side, the 0.95g my 970 pulls is enough for me most days....for what is basically a luxury car the ride/handling balance is pretty good. The looks are certainly an acquired taste.
Same goes for the current base Cayenne.. The new base Cayenne gets this engine too.
The new Cayenne doesn't have the silly vent
Slightly off topic but what's the name of the intro song?
Winter from the Four Seasons
Nick Murray Thanks Nick!
switched from alcantara that wears like crap to piano black buttons that will scratch and show finger prints, as well as a lovely glare i'm sure. the changes they make for looks don't end up looking as nice after 10000 miles.
I have a suspicion that you take a "rub cloth" everywhere you go, anyway.
11:29 touches a part of the car that's never supposed to be touched and then complains about the fingerprints. Why not touch the windows too and then complain about fingerprints? :)
Because for some reason everyone touch it
rich people buy things that are not useful, I missed the old interior
please please please tell me where to buy this gorilla!!!!!
Another Porsche yay 😴😴😴
Can you do a house update cause it's looking amazing at the moment, nice review of the Porsche btw
Yes just need to finish a few things in the garden.
Nick Murray looking forward to it, enjoy your green fingering, get the dogs and gorillas to help you
Any chance the house update could be done by your sister, Becky? Maybe in a tennis outfit?
Apparently Nick has to do some green fingering first.
IMB2U don't be so sarcastic 😂
I have seen a Carmine Red Turbo Sport Turismo recently. It was A M A Z I N G. Such a bootyful vehicle.
Does it come with a rub cloth or is that a 1500 dollar option?
Oh, and 13:44 min. > i notified PETA ;)
I have to admit I really don't like the piano black everywhere. Seems cheap. Especially piano black plastic indicator stalks, who the hell thought that was a good idea??
It reminds me of this now-old cheap TV my dad bought years back. It was cheap, from a cheap manufacturer (but hey, does it's job right?) and the screen was surrounded by this big mirror "piano" black plastic. Turns out that shit reflects more light than the screen emits! Almost impossible to watch it. What I want to say - piano black = good as a detail, bad as an overall design philosophy.
Odd as piano black trim is considered high end. Even Bentley incorporates it as an option in their cars albeit not a high end option but if it can show up in a Bentley, Audi's, Porsche etc, then it I dunno it seems to be that manufacturers are projecting it as high end interior trim.
The problem with the flat panel buttons is that it will look atrocious most of the time with fingerprints and dust. They should have went with a matte finish instead, which would be less prone to that.
phototristan The biggest problem is the lack of tactile feedback. You don't want to have to have to take your eyes off the road to look down at the center console whenever you need to adjust something you could actually _feel_ where it was before. This is a monumentally stupid decision by Porsche (not that they are alone - Tesla and others, I'm looking at you), and I am willing to bet that within a year at least one person is going to die in traffic partly because of this decision.
I'm sure soon you can have any texture you want with the Porsche Exclusive program $$$ ;)
Nah. They should introduce a button which calls a couple of Hooters girls to come with a microfibre cloth.
"Rubbing rag" sure doesn't sound like a family friendly show
The electronic buttons are godawful. And Porsche went off the deep end with the amount of buttons years ago. Over engineered since once the mechanicals are perfect (and they are) the engineers wind up with too much time on their hands.
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I'm a bit worried about this touch buttons craze. Does look a lot better but it's got to be annoying while driving. Some of those silly features too are worrying. Will you make a video on the new Audi RS3 Saloon?
I sat in a Macan at the Fairfield dealership and couldn't believe all the buttons however I prefer the physical buttons to [the] touch buttons.
You are right about the center air vent. Pure overkill and stupid. That's it - Im not buying one...
Do those touch-sensitive buttons work with gloves on?
Hey Nick, about all that gloss black... How durable is it? Do you think it would scratch really easily? It is awfully sandy/gritty out here and it is hard enough keeping paint from getting scratched... Are they glass? Seems like five+ years and they would be a bit hazy, no? Nice review as always! Wondering what Tui would think... Albert is a bit of a push over... F
I guess time will tell, I seem fairly durable to me. Tui likes a car with bolstered rear seats : )
No way it is more durable unless it is made of glass/crystal.
Got me thinking of having to apply a screen protector film to them. Would cut down on the glare too. Can you see anything in direct sunlight? Like with the roof open? Not super happy with the high gloss screen on my laptop for that reason.
Heidi and Franny's Garage - Are you talking about the infotainment screen or all the piano black buttons on the center console? Cutting the screen protector to fit perfectly would be quite a pain, no? Btw, really enjoyed your 356A videos.
Piano black for buttons is a terrible idea. Fingerprint all over the place and it will show minor scratches and swirls like crazy!
Thanks Nick, horrid shiny plastic, eww, only marginally better than that overrated carbon tat.
As good as this car is I think the controls are poorly designed, the black plastic looks cheap too. The adjustment of the centre vent is a perfect example of over complicating a simple thing and screwing it up. I hope this is not the future of Porsche, but I'm afraid it is.
Nick could you please try and borrow a Mercedes c63 Amg s coupe for a review if at all possible as I am interested in buying a second hand model I'd rather it not be an edition one as I don't feel the car warrants that sum of money but an normal 2017 s with a reasonable spec (options that help resale) thank you
Your criticism of the original Panamera reminds me of how I felt about my 928 back in the day. I owned a 928 back in the 80's and had a love/hate relationship with that car. The 928 handled and ran well, but the quirks and electronics would drive me nuts!
I suppose I'll always be a 911 kind of guy...
The way that central vent works is just silly, and i hate piano black where you can see every fingerprint or dust on it.
D1 the way you have to repeat what Nick has already stated several times in this video is silly.
Not just fingerprints - that high gloss piano black trim will be covered in unsightly scratches before you know it. Features like those air vent controls are just technology for technology's sake - they add cost and complexity and are less functional and user-friendly than manual controls. I generally hate all touch controls in modern cars - give me buttons and knobs any day. Pity the poor owner who buys one of these cars used when all this shit starts to break.
Great video, I love hearing that it has been improved over the last get. But I wish you would spend a little bit more time comparing the car to its competitors; if it was your money, which one would you buy and why? Panamera 4, A7, or any of the others?
I agreed. I like the way new Panamera drive and solid ride german sport sedan quality. The new center vent is a very disappointment. It ruins the functionality of the climate controls. I have a couple of Porsches. But I won't get this Panamera till they fix this awkward vent operation. As we live in Southern California sunny warm weather. A/C Climate control is crucial for passengers. It's way over engineer on this center vent. What are the Porsche engineers thinking. It should not be in production till it refinement. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅
Nick - could you send me information on your Porsche contact. I want to order a Porsche GT3 touring model.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Thanks Nick for the video.
I agree regarding interior comments, I'm old school n going to miss the physical analogue gauges.
Every car maker now is bringing out digital gauges, as we can only thank Mercedes-Benz for this.
The air vent in the center console is over engineered, n will drive people mad.
In fact, the turbo models have exactly the same air vent set-up in the rear seats, crazy idea hate it.
High gloss black piano buttons seems to be the latest fab, will keep you busy cleaning your finger prints.
The body shape is a huge improvement n should sell more cars in this generation.
Kon Kombotis yes. Add to that, manual transmissions, gasoline motors and hydraulic steering.
The exterior is fine; the interior appalling. Piano-black and knurled alloy switches just like the E-Class (which I couldn't get out of fast enough): cheap, tacky, impossible to use without taking your eyes off the road. And the central air-vent joke... May the inventor of "piano-black"anything suffer for their sins.
I like your reviews - but sorry to think previous gen 970 was the worst Porsche - 100% disagree and you be be careful of throwing the car under the bus “pig on a skateboard”. Just saying kindly - u come off as kinda pompous and hurtful- outside of your attacks on an awesome car - reviews are decent. Think u belong in a Benz S class
I wonder how many people which are nagging about piano black plastic are actually going to consider buying a new Panamera? Let's be real here, Porsche has over 50 years worth of history selling very expensive cars. Do you think they've suddenly made a bad choice? Oh, please. I'm sure there are years of market research, and statistics about what actual potential buyers want. If you gather a hundred of best Porsche salesmen and ask them whether people want matte or piano black finish, I'm sure it would be the latter one.
_Don't get me wrong, I'm also sure that 992 will have plenty of matte options, because 911 is more sporty and practical, Panamera is a luxury limo._
Thank you for the review. Would to see someone list quick tips on 15 to 20 Panamera hybrid features
I don’t know Nick. I have a 911 4S and a Panamera 4S. 2014 . I cannot imagine what the heck you are talking about. My Panamera handles like of son-of-a-gun. In Sport+ it’s as damn close to a 911 as you can come in a 2 ton car.
Diving at night, in the rain at 80, on a winding backroad, screaming kids in the back etc and trying to find one of those smooth haptic buttons for the the function you want. Got to be annoying. This link to the cockpit layout of an old Boeing 757. The different types and styles of buttons and switches which although look like a dogs breakfast (sorry Tui) were actually made so for purpose - so the pilot could find them by touch/feel. Porsche have gone the way of form over function here. ruclips.net/video/SlgVCgZsWys/видео.html
i dont like the new one, especially interior
Porsche already did the black piano look buttons on the first boxsters & 996's, wonder why it's back? Looked good new, cheap after just a few years. Maybe they have made them more durable
Nick, this seems like a massive rip off - you could get a new BMW M5 with AWD and the endless power for less - no? Hell, the new 550 or even an rs7 seem better than this car What am I missing?
Since Porsche is all about customization these days they should give you the options of replacing that mess of touch buttons with good old real buttons!. And, of course if they did do that, they would charge you an extra $1000.
The interior is horrible. But think about it. When has Porsche been a leader in interiors? Never. MB, Audi, Lexus, Volvo, even infinity is much better. Porsche leather is hard and feels cheap, the controls are non intuitive with terrible ergonomics. Steering wheel are the best - part of the driving experience at which Porsche has no equal.
All the piano black disappearing buttons, lack of indicator on the gear lever and crazy center vent are pretty big strikes against this car for me. I'd probably go with an m5 or e63s instead ...
Nick, your reasons for why you don't like the front vent and finger prints is hilarious. this damn car is perfect! stop nitpicking, I drove this car myself and it blows away the competition.
But when you’ve reached the point in life when you’re driving a Panamera do you really want to interface directly with the center vent? It’s so plebeian. Telling the screen to tell the vent is so much more civilized. 😂
Erudite but still real. His lack of driving enthusiasm for the Panamera is overwhelming.
I have to say the older multitude of switches was a more direct experience than the new designer hidden style. Probably more usable at speed, also.
Nice driving like a bellend in traffic mate. Solid 0/10. Doesn't Connecticut require commercial licence for revenue generating filming activities btw?
I'm in the market for a 991.2 Carrera 4s and my budget is $30k. Nick, do you think you can help me out?
I hate piano black plastics. I hate it even more that Porsche decided to use this much piano black in the new Panamera. I can barely look at my phone if it has fingerprints on it, can't drive a damn fingerprint factory like this.
Great review Nick. The piano black "buttons" will be the biggest gripe buyers have with the new model for sure. Question for you, have you found a good method for cleaning finger prints/smudges off the aluminum part of the steering wheel? Mine has a smudge I cannot get off with a microfiber cloth and cleaner.
Awful buttons and infotainment Nick.Agree exterior much better.
Bit of a worry if this is direction for all models.
I am a big Porsche fan (well 911s really) and I sincerely hope that a lot of this interior crap does not make its way into the new 911.
they got rid of the electric centre vent in the cayenne
What's the msrp of this vehicle? I saw 155,000$ at the beginning but doesn't make sense to me
Preferred the old look more like a cockpit plus think the gear knob is horrible it's like a Audi one. Looks better on outside that's it for me. ✌️
Can someone explain to me the joke about him being a virgin? Is that fr or...?
Hey Nick, nice video as always. I'd like to see your review of the new E63 wagon when it arrives in the US!
Love your reviews and personality! Gorilla abuse!!
That vent is super pointless. But the interior does look nice. Still wish Porsche would stop using so much plastic in the interior.
i am really not a fan of the piano black in the middle and the no button layout - it is prettier, but it will be really a pain, not userfriendly and always dirty..
FCA group still has an open law suits due to a similar gear selector. I believe recall some actor being run over ?
Handling wasn't that great on the old panamera?
ruclips.net/video/rGT7eqCNZVM/видео.html
you're clearly wrong
My OCD is in bits from all the piano! Love the new style, but white is grim.
The more "gloss anything" in a car is a chance for glare. I hope it's not an issue.
Nick is broke. Porsche Turbo S E-hybrid is already cheap to buy.
Love the Vivaldi Four Seasons music…fits the car.
Ugh, I HATE all these touch screen interfaces in cars. There something to be said about having a physical button. In my current car, I can work the vast majority of the car systems solely by feel, never having to take my eyes off the road.
And don't get my started on high glass, piano black, especially in touch interface areas. It will smudge up, and even with microfiber, it WILL develop scratches. Why not implement something lower luster?
With my new S4 being under the same Volkswagen umbrella, why couldn't Audi have done the same type of center screen as this instead of being perched up on top of the dash?!?!
I agree Ed.
I still like the feeling of pushing physical buttons better. Big fan of the latest iDrive from BMW. No touch screen but easy and intuitive to use!
And the central vent operation in the new Panamera is indeed just absolutely ridiculous.
Can't help but think the interior just seems like a cost cutting measure.
Still looks a bit like shit. Just have a look at an Aston Martin Rapide..
this car needs some better wheels and some lowering springs.