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Fantastic man! What a terrific example of an Englishman; if only there were more like him. This lecture should be compulsory in Britain's schools. Fat chance with all the Marxists in teaching.
I have watched the first 45 mins - Dr Starkey talking without pause - and been completely engaged. That is an incredible talent, supported by the historian’s ability to view events on the biggest of big pictures.
One of the UK’s National treasures. As an American veteran and Anglophile, I share these viewpoints from my conservative life experience. Only wish I could communicate it as well!
Brilliant! Individualism is not incompatible with universalism though. The English Enlightenment successfully reconciled the two: individual liberty but embedded in a common human nature. The French Enlightenment failed because it lacked a balance between the two.
I never tire of listening to Dr Starkey. There is another book in all these talks in which he relates modern events to the broad sweep of history. I’d buy a copy.
One problem is that many Conservative politicians either cannot explain their arguments articulately, or are creatures of opportunity without strong principles, even patriotism, or both. It doesn't help that most media, especially broadcast, are increasingly hostile and dedicated to repressing those arguments.
Always the highlight of my week Mr Starkey. Sometimes when things seem to get dark, uncertain, and a little bit too insane for my liking in this lovely little country of ours, I am so grateful that we have quality human beings like David Starkey, who comes along holding a lantern to illuminate us back to the path with wit, logic, and wisdom.
Thank you so much Dr David. I feel a lone voice as a true Conservative and you reassure many that we think the same. Hopefully, our politics and interlecual debate will come through soon.
Starkey is truly a British national treasure. He delivers not only such a depth of knowledge of our history but brings it alive with the context of how we arrived here today and why other nations have not accomplished the same rich tapestry of values and qualities that makes Great Britain unique.
We did history of medicine in History... it literally hasn't changed in about 15 years. Education is disgraceful in this country. This is why libraries are so important and we must fight to keep them because I honestly believe at this point the local library can teach you more than school or university.
A brilliant presentation that I will pass on. I just 80 and now people like you and Thomas Sowell come into my life reinforcing my forever perspective, which first starts with facts and acceptance of those facts on how we are, not some fantasy about how we should behave outside of human nature..
I am a huge fan of your show Mr Starkey. You make History past and present so interesting, your knowlege astounds me. I wonder if you would ever be able to cover Princess Sophie Charlotte born on this date in 1744, wife of King George III. Somebody tweeted me recently that she lived for a time in Frogmore Cottage and that the tiara she wore at her wedding was exactly the one Meghan Markle chose but was refused for her wedding. I am pretty sure this isn't true, but I cannot find any reference. I think the tweeter had been watching too much Brigerton (not that I ever watched it). Thank you again for a wonderful series.
On whether the Conservative Party can be reformed… Peter Hitchens has had the right of it for over ten years now. The thing is not our ally, and barely a shield against what we claim to be against. It has to be destroyed, it has to be swept away and it has to be replaced with a genuinely visionary, radically conservative body that actually understands its purpose and will be an opposition to Labour, not just a pale imitation of it in denial. Any attempt to save it will only doom ourselves at this point.
The Conservatives have been the bulwark for Liberalism, Consumerism, hypa Individualism and open borders Globalisation. Completely captured by international finance.
The country should stop and take notice of Starkey whenever he graces us with his presence! There would be fewer arguments when it comes to defending what a great country and people we are! MBGA!
Thank you for Newton's quote about knowledge and analysis, and for highlighting the brilliance of the Oxford English dictionary, etymology and especially when words were first used. There is a lot we take for granted. Yes, yes, debate is essential. It really tests our values and makes us dig deeper. That's what academia is for. To see arguments from both sides. We are not getting quality, balanced reporting from war correspondents. Censorship will lead our nation into ignorance and great peril.
The late Irving Kristol said the real, if often unconscious, appeal of Communism to intellectuals in the 20s, 30s and beyond is that they imagined this to be a society where intellectuals would be in power. They continued to believe this even after the morning Stalin woke up and decided to slaughter all the intellectuals in the USSR.
I really don’t disagree with David often, but his minimisation of the role of religion is really quite astonishing. First, the conflicts in Northern Ireland and Israel are ethno-political. They have religious labels thrown on top of them but they are fundamentally about land and population, not about religion in any real sense. Second, Protestant Christianity has always been an animating principle of England and Britain, it could not be the county that it is without it. Indeed, I would agree with the premise that the divide between the Tories and the Whigs was a fundamental divide between two different forms of Protestantism, with High Church Anglicanism on the one hand and the various, collected dissenterisms on the other. Moreover, the problems we have today with the Woke orthodoxy are only possible because of the death of traditional Christianity that allowed a new doctrine to take its place, and not an altogether better one. Every civilisation needs an animating principle that goes beyond the material. For most of our history, we have believed in the supernatural resurrection of Jesus. For the woke, they believe in the supernatural transformation of man into woman. But you have to choose which one you want, or it will be chosen for you. And David can sneer at American conservatives clinging to religion if he pleases but the resistance is much stronger in America than any other Anglosphere country where the formal Conservative Party just accepts the premises laid out by their opponents but Republicans are actually capable of pushing back, and one of the reasons they have this is because Christianity remains one of their animating principles whereas British conservatives have abandoned the idea entirely but without ideas of their own to replace it have simply accepted the ones the Left gives them.
Thats true; the Enlightenment came from England. Also Starkey basically pronounces clearly why he would dismiss religion so readily: his father was a hard leftist. His grandfather was a hard rightist. He doesn't say that's the reason for his dismissal, but you can understand just by that alone why he would have the tortured modern amalgamation of social conservatism and secular liberalism
@@774Rob We’re not. The division is on where you stand on Northern Ireland’s position in either the Republic or the Union. It is an ethnic and cultural division that has virtually no association with religion except a historic one. The entirety of Ulster could be atheist and the voting demographics would remain exactly the same.
True. The literal slogan they put on empire propoganda was "Faith. King and Empire." The fullstop after faith shows it priority number 1 above all else.
Its a pipe dream to think that any form of splitting of the uk will end in anything but disaster for everyone involved. The seperatists in scotland are irish emigrants in majority. I live in 1 of the 2 constituences that voted yes in 2014, come from an Irish emgrant family on my mothers side, and they have imported Irish grevances and supper imposed Scotland in place of Ireland. That is why sturgeon meets with sinn fien. A 15 year patern 40% voting for something does not make it "more likey to happen than not." SNP is in power purely based on spin. She has 60 spin doctors. For comparison Joe Biden has 50 and has complete control of the american media. This idea of england going back to pre union is a pipe dream. If we split we will all become puppets of the Eu and eventually rejoin. We thrive together or we sink together.
I can't see why England would suffer from removing itself from Celtic grievances. We are not going to invade again, and the money we would save runs into the billions per annum. From a purely political view, why should England should stay part of a UK that is being dragged more and more into identity politics, with the bill payer seen to be the enemy?
@@774Rob Scotland isn't celtic. Scotland has no greviances with England. The SNP have convinced the minority of Scottish people that vote for them the English hate them. Also the SNP portray themselves as the only anti-tory party. They are only in prominence because labour is useless. The red wall in the north of england went tory because their was no alternative. SNP took advantage of the shift in Scotland by potraying themselves as a sensible socialist party. Simple solution is to remove devolution. It is destroyong Scotland and pissing everyones money down the drain.
Globalisation has probably already destroyed the nation state democracy. London has gone. Localism, regionalism could save some of our people and civilisation. Bulkanization long-term is probably unstoppable.
My Glaswegian mother-in-law's father was Irish, but she was typical Scottish of her time and patriotically British. However, she lived in England much of her life. She's been dead many years after an early death, but must be turning in her grave.
@@evolassunglasses4673 Britian shall prevail. The people in power now are squeakers. Men of action will come and we will win. The West was prominant for a reason.
Very stimulating. Just a couple of comments: the Belgians say, for example, "nonante" rather than "quatre-vingt-dix". My Petit Robert French dictionary shows the date on which each word originated.
Try reading James Burnham "The managerial Revolution". Burnham’s claim was not that capitalism was dead, but that it was being replaced not by socialism, but a new economic system he called 'managerialism' - rule by managers.
My only concern about Starkey is who will be his successor to ensure his vast knowledge is shared with future generations. Gigantic shoes to fill! Not David Olusoga, that’s for sure.
I received a pretty pathetic American elementary education in the 60s, but then wonderful, traditional education at the local community college, then university. It’s sad to see what’s happened to community colleges here since then. All culturally important curricula like history, art, architecture, math and science, and foreign languages have been replaced by vocational training and English as a Second Language (ESL) instruction. There is indeed a great need to get the huge numbers of Hispanic immigrants into English-speaking paid employment, but I don’t think it should be at the expense of a traditional education for everyone. We need separate community education to get these immigrants, whom I welcome, enough basic skills to enter traditional community colleges. American high schools are routinely graduating students who can’t read or write English or do any arithmetic, it’s only based on “time served”. If you sit there for four years, you will get a diploma.
England is where the English live. Wales idswhere the Welsh live. Scotland is where the Scots live. Ireland is where the Irish live. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? As a government spokesman explained last year: “What we need is not numbers, but Hungarian children: we’re not seeking to sustain an economic system, but Hungary, the Hungarian nation and Hungarian history; we want to encourage the continuation of our families.” WOW! Somebody from a government saying: “We’re not seeking to sustain an economic system, but Our Nation, Hungary! 90% of Britain's Problems are due pressure on the Indigenous Peoples of these Isles, to tolerate and conform to all the whims and manners of newcomers, admitted under the Insane/Treasonous policies inflicted upon us of MASS, INDISCRIMINATE IMMIGRATION, by successive governments!
Two directions to add to Mr Starkey's excellent description. To add to the hindsight. First the Normans kept the Anglo-Saxon administration, and used it to fuel their ambitions towards France. Second that Henry VIII must have realised what a waste of effort it was playing the game for France under Papal referee and opted to not play by others rules. The Americas and a route around Africa to China changed everything. Foresight America is tirnimg inward and we either step back up or others will literally stsrve us into submission. This means a expand the Navy
Every time I hear his talks about his thoughts on this subject I understand it more. I love his debate style. The universality drive of the left makes sense to me. How he handled the ‘invaders’ xenophobic talk was skillful. Would love to hear his thoughts on American conservatism.
We are individuals who are distinct that are binding by the national culture and norms that evolve somewhat overtime but hold firm core principles that are manifested with individual sovereignty over our bodies and freedoms of varying kind such as expression and congregation and thought and speech. You cannot have a nationstate without some informal/formal arrangement of cooperation with regard to laws and socially acceptable practices and so forth but you can have a nationstate with individuals that are scathing of the governance and contrarians because they do so within the confines of the informal/formal arrangement of law and property right that are the core principles that bind all such diverse opinions and people into one populous inside an island that is a nationstate. What an interesting question.
I think the chancellor and his team have played their hand well given the circumstances and frankly I think anyone in his position would have had an extremely difficult set of choices or rather lack of choices. The issue will be when the conditions in the country change for the better (however long that takes) - will the treasury take the difficult choices (as touched on by the audience member) which are unpopular but also necessary. I am quite an admirer of the treasury inside this administration and it is because it is in my view the most complex and difficult brief.
To be flippant - religious belief is replaced less I think with a sense of place and history - objective fact suggests consumerism and the pursuit of wealth is numero uno.
I think some areas that are pertinent to the title and subject matter of the video - Conservatism and I suppose it’s relevance and future are - the first notable area is economic in that the Conservatives are seemingly unable (due to events that transpire such as the coalition that supposedly restricted their mandate - the pandemic and so it goes on - there is always something and now you have the incumbent ‘red wall’ members that adds another dimension) to implement a swathe of low taxes and targeted deregulation and stick to it for the duration of their term. You then have more interestingly the social elements of Conservatism which are problematic in the sense that the country has moved away from the religious Christian dominated conventional past periods and now is I think socially liberal on a range of issues relative to even 3 decades ago and further of course than that. They need to focus I think on the preservation of the union firstly and the transition of the monarchy as a continuity which I think they are instinctively best place to position themselves. Outside of those two areas - they could move towards drastic reform of the size of the state in replacing selective institutions with a more effective and efficient model - such as empowering localities with real funding streams and power to implement changes locally. They could target charities and the voluntary sector with funding streams instead of bureaucracy in larger civil service state entities. They could tear up the DWP and implement an arrangement that is fitting of the ‘past - present - future’ you spoke of insofar as thinking about the objective of the DWP for today’s society and the society in the next few decades. Admittedly they cannot drastically reform the NHS I don’t believe (even with a majority) unless done cross party but the aim should be to achieve this. They could rejuvenate areas of society where too many people hold mistrust and anger towards those areas (institutions) perhaps due to bad experiences and I think that is the sort of social agenda they could seek out. They are facing the same introspection as the Labour Party as the populous has become nuanced and altered from the tribal politics of the past. What I do think is very interesting is to see that distinction return (not so much tribalism division in the sense of hatred of the tories and that venom of yesteryear) to which in and of itself would act as an rejuvenation. In short - the Conservatives are petrified in offering Conservative policies for fear of being annihilated at the ballot box because they are poorly advised to believe that those policies would result in such annihilation. The Labour Party is petrified of offering an agenda of policies that are by equal measure instinctively of their very making as an entity both economically and socially for fear of being annihilated as well by an electorate who would apparently reject such policies. The end result is two parties fighting over a tiny patch of grass that is essentially corroding the entire country as there is no distinction and just a continuation of one philosophy - that is not democracy - more so akin to an aristocracy and of the kind of continuation that you highlighted in Russia where they have not been free - I think that is a perspective that will resonate with many people.
Allowing the rich to pay less tax by cutting public spending is not 'liberty' for the poor. Selfishness may on the surface look like liberty, but it is in fact something quite different. Conservatives (with both a small and large 'c') aren't really Libertarians in the truest sense at all - they're quite keen on judging and attempting to control individual lifestyle choices in fact, choices which have no impact on them whatsoever. Conservatism is essentially repressive, narrow and places Darwinian hierarchy over an aspiration to equality, creativity or imagination . It disapproves of social transgression, the experimental or the alternative. Freedom. Conservatives are only really 'Libertarians' in the economic sense - e.g. their basic motivation is to pay less tax. Selfishness (consumerism) is not liberty I'm afraid.
There is no short term future for Conservatives in the UK until Johnson goes. You are a great historian Dr Starkey , don't embarrass yourself and insult the younger generation .
Conservatism is merely slow liberalism. The last, true, British conservative was probably Salisbury. Britian has been a revolutionary state since at least 1945.
This point of passing on knowledge is extremely president as we are in the foothills of technology which is arguably replacing or rather we abrogate our conventional methods of learning and I think that it is unclear at this juncture the consequences of such a transformation.
Well done David on the need for this generation, to rediscover it History. You weak spot is Religion and to dismiss it when as Melvyn Bragg stated in his work "The Book of Books," regarding the impact the King James Bible had on this nation UK and the western world and the Christian faith shaped our society and our politics, This is fact; now its not a case of do you agree it should of influenced our culture for good or bad, but it did the Sunday school, STARTED By William and Raikes free education through the Sunday school. The vast amount of good that was done. Melvyn Bragg was brought an Anglican but would not say to my knowledge he is a professing Christian.. But through our History Many of our leader were Christian Catherine. Catherine Parr and her faith and the influence on Elizabeth the 1. Gladstone, Florence Nightingale. Lord Shaftesbury. William Wilberforce who was a key player in slave abolition, Religion has had its wars but you forget William Tyndale and the right for free though and expression of the Bible why was catholic ousted not per say of blind bigotry although that is present with some people but the fact that the Catholic Church at the reformation did not want the lay person to have there views of God as declared in the bible . God does have absolutes and if you take those absolutes out of the equation. The morality becomes situation ethics who ever is in power decides right and wrong, Look at Communism Fascism no God the out come is pure humanism and then the moral and ethical choice become as scripture say in the book of Judges "each man did right according to his own views." Christianity made this nation and despite the excess of men who abused religion and Christianity. The 10 of thousand of missionaries. even now who did a do good around the world not "fanatics or bible basher of who," who do exist. What you believe dictates what your morals and ethics are. With no God it becomes a free for all with those who are strongest getting there own way, Keep the lectures coming
The modern Conservative Party is basically a liberal party, not a conservative one. Conservatism means 'preserving', and more specifically, preserving of values, traditions and established ways of approaching social, political and economic problems. Starkey is very wrong in painting liberalism as left wing, it instead very right wing - in many countries the main right wing parties are called liberal, not conservative. British conservatism lost itself after John Major lost in 1997, and has become more and more liberal. Let's not confuse liberal with the liberal-democrats, who are basically social democrats.
Is it just me (and maybe 6 million Scots), or doesn't Dr Starkey (whom I love) underrate the contribution of Scots to Britishness? Didn't Adam Smith and Robert Adam, and such men of the Scottish Enlightenment, even say, the man who imagined England - Sir Walter Scot --- have anything to do with what we think of as England?
Limited selective immiagration can be assimulated but the mass importation of alien and hostile masses cannot be incorperated which is entirely the point. Also pinning your hopes for a revived monarchy on a thorough going gree mid-wit like Charles can only end in tears. The Academy Français saves the French a great deal of the woke dishonesty and shape shifting with the overt perversion and politicalisation.
We are past that debate. We will be a minority by 2066. Immigration is colonis@tion. We need to focus on getting our people out of the big cities, building our OWN media, parallel institutions and eventually schools OUTSIDE this rotten system. Localism is important, we will not get London back. Long-term bulkanization is probably unstoppable.
@@evolassunglasses4673 you cannot draw these types of hard and fast dividing lines in many cases on ethnic and religious grounds The same used to be said for Protestant/Catholic divisions in the 19th and early 20th century with large scale Irish immigration.There was conflict but disaster receded from view at least outside Ulster
Also - I think you are wrong (I would be happy to be correct in this) that Scotland is highly likely to become a separate nation - in fact I think it is highly unlikely for two primary reasons - firstly is Nicola Sturgeon is leader and not Joanna Cherry or Alex Salmond - secondly I think the Scottish people have a broad consensus politically that provides them with the policies they instinctively wish to be provided with - which in the main is the sort of policies (economically) that are the polar opposite of authentic Conservatism in the Margaret Thatcher sense and so this leads to the question - what would the people of Scotland actually be voting for independence for given they have a centre/left broad coalition be that the SNP/Greens/Scottish Labour Party servicing their needs? It could only be a return to the EU block and I just don’t think the majority of Scots will want to rock the boat and the whole issue over the currency and so no I think they will remain part of the union. If I am wrong and you are correct and Scotland does achieve independence - it will be a game changer and staggeringly profound in many ways militarily and there would be profound consequences and so I think Sturgeon is doing a decent job alienating people and we will start united.
Henry VIII should have practiced polygamy. It was only the Christian concept of one husband and one wife for elders in the Christian congregation that was being imposed.
I do not agree that "we" did anything about government policies that were entirely out of the hands of ordinary people. We need to lay blame where it is due - poor government in almost the entire Anglosphere.
Ukrainian culture is assimilated (broadly) with Russian culture on many levels - it is arguable it is one country in a sense and so the comparative with the Normans is incomprehensible to me.
David Starkey has always been a fine historian of England's Tudor period. Sadly, his ego has consumed him in his old age and his forays into modern politics have turned him into a parody of himself. On the Tudors he is fascinating. Jumping from subject to subject powered by sweeping generalisations, he is the pub bore.
I agree, he so conceited and pompous I cannot abide him. I also find it strange that he is embraced by ‘Conservatives’ so warmly, he is an Atheist homosexual which simply do not correspond with being Conservative in my mind.
I don’t think at all the intention / objective of Russia is akin to the Norman conquest - more precisely it is to preserve the language and to do with military considerations /geo/political with NATO and factors of that nature in the mix - he (Putin) is not comparable to the Normans conquest and occupation of England - what an extraordinary remark!!!
As much as I admire Dr Starkey I have to disagree. Wokism comes from the Angloshere and it is a REVOLUTION that will divide western societies as no other. May I also remind the audience that outside the Anglosphere ultra modern democracies devolped; Scandinavia and the Netherlands.
Wokism is a product of French post modern Marxism. Critical race theory, critical gender theory etc etc all trace their origins back to the works of French post modernist philosophers like Rousseau and Foucault.
Not fully sure that it was conscience that put an end to slavery. Slavery is a (maybe necessary) component of agricultural societies; serfs, slaves are just farm animals who work for food like pigs, cows and sheep. I would say Industrialisation ended slavery - you need workers to have money to buy the stuff they made in the factory. It's most obvious in industrial north USA and agricultural, slave owning south
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Going nearly two hours while only taking one sip of your wine is the epiphany of conservatism.
Everything falls in to place when I listen to him. What a brilliant man.
He's still inside the Liberal paradigm.
@@evolassunglasses4673 I'd say he's within the 'sane' paradigm' and that's not liberal today....
@@evolassunglasses4673 Indeed. Take what is useful from Starkey, discard what is not.
Fantastic man! What a terrific example of an Englishman; if only there were more like him. This lecture should be compulsory in Britain's schools. Fat chance with all the Marxists in teaching.
I have watched the first 45 mins - Dr Starkey talking without pause - and been completely engaged. That is an incredible talent, supported by the historian’s ability to view events on the biggest of big pictures.
Love the final bit of wisdom from mother Starkey: "If everybody thinks something, it's almost certainly wrong." 😅😅😅
The musings of a pompous old fart.
One of the UK’s National treasures. As an American veteran and Anglophile, I share these viewpoints from my conservative life experience. Only wish I could communicate it as well!
Brilliant! Individualism is not incompatible with universalism though. The English Enlightenment successfully reconciled the two: individual liberty but embedded in a common human nature. The French Enlightenment failed because it lacked a balance between the two.
Well said
I never tire of listening to Dr Starkey. There is another book in all these talks in which he relates modern events to the broad sweep of history. I’d buy a copy.
One problem is that many Conservative politicians either cannot explain their arguments articulately, or are creatures of opportunity without strong principles, even patriotism, or both.
It doesn't help that most media, especially broadcast, are increasingly hostile and dedicated to repressing those arguments.
Always the highlight of my week Mr Starkey. Sometimes when things seem to get dark, uncertain, and a little bit too insane for my liking in this lovely little country of ours, I am so grateful that we have quality human beings like David Starkey, who comes along holding a lantern to illuminate us back to the path with wit, logic, and wisdom.
Best talk yet!!!! Keep on keeping on old chap😇😇
Well said David. Britons greatest historian.
Once again Dr. Starkey, a clear, evidence based spotlight on our current plight, and clear reasons why we must not forget history.
Thank you so much Dr David. I feel a lone voice as a true Conservative and you reassure many that we think the same. Hopefully, our politics and interlecual debate will come through soon.
Absolutely Delicious session. Thank you !
I would love to see a discussion between David Starkey and Niall Ferguson.
And Hillary and Megan 😆
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Sir, you are to me an inspiration to the best trajectories for the Kingdom birthed by our beloved Victorians.
Incredible discussion and so thought provoking - you stopped me from sleeping!!!!
I love your channel and thoughts.
Starkey is truly a British national treasure. He delivers not only such a depth of knowledge of our history but brings it alive with the context of how we arrived here today and why other nations have not accomplished the same rich tapestry of values and qualities that makes Great Britain unique.
Dr Starkey should put together an online history course himself. I appreciate that's what these videos are to a large extent.
David Starkey is amazing, he is so correct and intelligent.
God bless you Dr Starkey, you’re a light and gem and treasure.
We did history of medicine in History... it literally hasn't changed in about 15 years. Education is disgraceful in this country. This is why libraries are so important and we must fight to keep them because I honestly believe at this point the local library can teach you more than school or university.
A brilliant presentation that I will pass on. I just 80 and now people like you and Thomas Sowell come into my life reinforcing my forever perspective, which first starts with facts and acceptance of those facts on how we are, not some fantasy about how we should behave outside of human nature..
Starkey has a small slip there regarding slavery in Brazil: it was totally abolished in 1888, not in the 1860's as he says
Thanks for that piece of information.
@@KRthe4 at any age it would be amazing.
Now we are all slaves, except the ruling class. Slavery never went away now it's just called taxes.
@@KRthe4 I'm not criticising him, I'm a great admirer. I'm only contributing
I would've paid for this content. So good.
Very entertaining, but a lot of refreshing common sense too.
Starkey for PM & quickly!
Democracy = rule by international finance and the forces of open borders Globalisation
David Starkey is well worth a listen.
I am a huge fan of your show Mr Starkey. You make History past and present so interesting, your knowlege astounds me. I wonder if you would ever be able to cover Princess Sophie Charlotte born on this date in 1744, wife of King George III. Somebody tweeted me recently that she lived for a time in Frogmore Cottage and that the tiara she wore at her wedding was exactly the one Meghan Markle chose but was refused for her wedding. I am pretty sure this isn't true, but I cannot find any reference. I think the tweeter had been watching too much Brigerton (not that I ever watched it). Thank you again for a wonderful series.
David Starkey is so interesting. I could listen to him all day.
On whether the Conservative Party can be reformed… Peter Hitchens has had the right of it for over ten years now.
The thing is not our ally, and barely a shield against what we claim to be against. It has to be destroyed, it has to be swept away and it has to be replaced with a genuinely visionary, radically conservative body that actually understands its purpose and will be an opposition to Labour, not just a pale imitation of it in denial.
Any attempt to save it will only doom ourselves at this point.
The Conservatives have been the bulwark for Liberalism, Consumerism, hypa Individualism and open borders Globalisation. Completely captured by international finance.
I absolutely agree.
Hitchens is an absolute cynic without an optimistic bone in his body. We can reform the Conservatives
The country should stop and take notice of Starkey whenever he graces us with his presence! There would be fewer arguments when it comes to defending what a great country and people we are! MBGA!
Thank you for Newton's quote about knowledge and analysis, and for highlighting the brilliance of the Oxford English dictionary, etymology and especially when words were first used. There is a lot we take for granted. Yes, yes, debate is essential. It really tests our values and makes us dig deeper. That's what academia is for. To see arguments from both sides. We are not getting quality, balanced reporting from war correspondents. Censorship will lead our nation into ignorance and great peril.
This debate is fascinating!!!
Dr Starkey is right on so many issues.
Regarding history and politics, G. K. Chesterton said, "We need to be reminded more than we need to be instructed."
Why do academics fail to recognize conspiracy among oligarchs ?, it is perplexing to me.
Its almost as if they are getting monetary inducements.
Follow the philanthropists that support them. Look at the money being pumped into the system from abroad NGOs etc
It's strange as Globalisation has clearly destroyed the nation state democracy and created an international oligarchy.
The late Irving Kristol said the real, if often unconscious, appeal of Communism to intellectuals in the 20s, 30s and beyond is that they imagined this to be a society where intellectuals would be in power. They continued to believe this even after the morning Stalin woke up and decided to slaughter all the intellectuals in the USSR.
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Absolutely Superb
I really don’t disagree with David often, but his minimisation of the role of religion is really quite astonishing.
First, the conflicts in Northern Ireland and Israel are ethno-political. They have religious labels thrown on top of them but they are fundamentally about land and population, not about religion in any real sense.
Second, Protestant Christianity has always been an animating principle of England and Britain, it could not be the county that it is without it. Indeed, I would agree with the premise that the divide between the Tories and the Whigs was a fundamental divide between two different forms of Protestantism, with High Church Anglicanism on the one hand and the various, collected dissenterisms on the other. Moreover, the problems we have today with the Woke orthodoxy are only possible because of the death of traditional Christianity that allowed a new doctrine to take its place, and not an altogether better one.
Every civilisation needs an animating principle that goes beyond the material. For most of our history, we have believed in the supernatural resurrection of Jesus. For the woke, they believe in the supernatural transformation of man into woman. But you have to choose which one you want, or it will be chosen for you.
And David can sneer at American conservatives clinging to religion if he pleases but the resistance is much stronger in America than any other Anglosphere country where the formal Conservative Party just accepts the premises laid out by their opponents but Republicans are actually capable of pushing back, and one of the reasons they have this is because Christianity remains one of their animating principles whereas British conservatives have abandoned the idea entirely but without ideas of their own to replace it have simply accepted the ones the Left gives them.
Thats true; the Enlightenment came from England.
Also Starkey basically pronounces clearly why he would dismiss religion so readily: his father was a hard leftist. His grandfather was a hard rightist. He doesn't say that's the reason for his dismissal, but you can understand just by that alone why he would have the tortured modern amalgamation of social conservatism and secular liberalism
@@chrisgardbard He is also gay and many gays don't like religion
Everything is about population and land. The detail in NI is/was religion. If it wasn't, why are they still segregated on religious lines?
@@774Rob We’re not. The division is on where you stand on Northern Ireland’s position in either the Republic or the Union. It is an ethnic and cultural division that has virtually no association with religion except a historic one.
The entirety of Ulster could be atheist and the voting demographics would remain exactly the same.
True. The literal slogan they put on empire propoganda was "Faith. King and Empire." The fullstop after faith shows it priority number 1 above all else.
Brilliant!
Dr Starkey is very intelligent
Love this man.
Its a pipe dream to think that any form of splitting of the uk will end in anything but disaster for everyone involved. The seperatists in scotland are irish emigrants in majority. I live in 1 of the 2 constituences that voted yes in 2014, come from an Irish emgrant family on my mothers side, and they have imported Irish grevances and supper imposed Scotland in place of Ireland. That is why sturgeon meets with sinn fien. A 15 year patern 40% voting for something does not make it "more likey to happen than not." SNP is in power purely based on spin. She has 60 spin doctors. For comparison Joe Biden has 50 and has complete control of the american media. This idea of england going back to pre union is a pipe dream. If we split we will all become puppets of the Eu and eventually rejoin. We thrive together or we sink together.
I can't see why England would suffer from removing itself from Celtic grievances. We are not going to invade again, and the money we would save runs into the billions per annum. From a purely political view, why should England should stay part of a UK that is being dragged more and more into identity politics, with the bill payer seen to be the enemy?
@@774Rob Scotland isn't celtic. Scotland has no greviances with England. The SNP have convinced the minority of Scottish people that vote for them the English hate them. Also the SNP portray themselves as the only anti-tory party. They are only in prominence because labour is useless. The red wall in the north of england went tory because their was no alternative. SNP took advantage of the shift in Scotland by potraying themselves as a sensible socialist party. Simple solution is to remove devolution. It is destroyong Scotland and pissing everyones money down the drain.
Globalisation has probably already destroyed the nation state democracy. London has gone. Localism, regionalism could save some of our people and civilisation. Bulkanization long-term is probably unstoppable.
My Glaswegian mother-in-law's father was Irish, but she was typical Scottish of her time and patriotically British. However, she lived in England much of her life. She's been dead many years after an early death, but must be turning in her grave.
@@evolassunglasses4673 Britian shall prevail. The people in power now are squeakers. Men of action will come and we will win. The West was prominant for a reason.
Very stimulating. Just a couple of comments: the Belgians say, for example, "nonante" rather than "quatre-vingt-dix". My Petit Robert French dictionary shows the date on which each word originated.
Try reading James Burnham "The managerial Revolution". Burnham’s claim was not that capitalism was dead, but that it was being replaced not by socialism, but a new economic system he called 'managerialism' - rule by managers.
My only concern about Starkey is who will be his successor to ensure his vast knowledge is shared with future generations. Gigantic shoes to fill! Not David Olusoga, that’s for sure.
Love him ..agree that olusoga is a crap historian..beloved of bbc but with a race hate obsession
Britain abolished slavery!!!
After 400 years.
Great stuff 👍
I received a pretty pathetic American elementary education in the 60s, but then wonderful, traditional education at the local community college, then university. It’s sad to see what’s happened to community colleges here since then. All culturally important curricula like history, art, architecture, math and science, and foreign languages have been replaced by vocational training and English as a Second Language (ESL) instruction. There is indeed a great need to get the huge numbers of Hispanic immigrants into English-speaking paid employment, but I don’t think it should be at the expense of a traditional education for everyone. We need separate community education to get these immigrants, whom I welcome, enough basic skills to enter traditional community colleges. American high schools are routinely graduating students who can’t read or write English or do any arithmetic, it’s only based on “time served”. If you sit there for four years, you will get a diploma.
The Conservative Party has treated its voters with contempt and abandoned them. Your vote is not just taken for granted it is used against you.
England is where the English live.
Wales idswhere the Welsh live.
Scotland is where the Scots live.
Ireland is where the Irish live.
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As a government spokesman explained last year:
“What we need is not numbers, but Hungarian children: we’re not seeking to sustain an economic system, but Hungary, the Hungarian nation and Hungarian history; we want to encourage the continuation of our families.”
WOW! Somebody from a government saying: “We’re not seeking to sustain an economic system, but Our Nation, Hungary!
90% of Britain's Problems are due pressure on the Indigenous Peoples of these Isles, to tolerate and conform to all the whims and manners of newcomers, admitted under the Insane/Treasonous policies inflicted upon us of MASS, INDISCRIMINATE IMMIGRATION, by successive governments!
I always wondered why Henry VIII and Ivan the terrible had such different impact.
Yes, 200 years, the time of troubles. We avoided that, thanks to our institutions but take into consideration our geography is completely different.
Two directions to add to
Mr Starkey's excellent description.
To add to the hindsight.
First the Normans kept the Anglo-Saxon administration, and used it to fuel their ambitions towards France.
Second that Henry VIII must have realised what a waste of effort it was playing the game for France under Papal referee and opted to not play by others rules. The Americas and a route around Africa to China changed everything.
Foresight
America is tirnimg inward and we either step back up or others will literally stsrve us into submission. This means a expand the Navy
You reminded me of what Canada was before Quebec took control. (I'm Canadian, that is I have no nationality).
8 out of 10. Interesting and thoughtful as usual.
How very magnanimous of you.
love that guy...could listen to him forever.....
You must see “Millenarian Mobs” by Angelo Codevilla in the Claremont Review of Books, Summer 2020.
Every time I hear his talks about his thoughts on this subject I understand it more. I love his debate style. The universality drive of the left makes sense to me. How he handled the ‘invaders’ xenophobic talk was skillful. Would love to hear his thoughts on American conservatism.
We are individuals who are distinct that are binding by the national culture and norms that evolve somewhat overtime but hold firm core principles that are manifested with individual sovereignty over our bodies and freedoms of varying kind such as expression and congregation and thought and speech.
You cannot have a nationstate without some informal/formal arrangement of cooperation with regard to laws and socially acceptable practices and so forth but you can have a nationstate with individuals that are scathing of the governance and contrarians because they do so within the confines of the informal/formal arrangement of law and property right that are the core principles that bind all such diverse opinions and people into one populous inside an island that is a nationstate.
What an interesting question.
We can believe in God without believing in religion. The second is built by fallible humans.
Really good
When was this talk given?
I think the chancellor and his team have played their hand well given the circumstances and frankly I think anyone in his position would have had an extremely difficult set of choices or rather lack of choices.
The issue will be when the conditions in the country change for the better (however long that takes) - will the treasury take the difficult choices (as touched on by the audience member) which are unpopular but also necessary.
I am quite an admirer of the treasury inside this administration and it is because it is in my view the most complex and difficult brief.
Who is the mp in the end with mr Starkey ?
Poor me , poor me , pour me another drink.
Abortion is not a religous debate, it is about the ontological state of the fetus.
It is murder however
@@christopherevans6428 absolutely
Even Liverpool had a Tory council once!
To be flippant - religious belief is replaced less I think with a sense of place and history - objective fact suggests consumerism and the pursuit of wealth is numero uno.
I think some areas that are pertinent to the title and subject matter of the video - Conservatism and I suppose it’s relevance and future are - the first notable area is economic in that the Conservatives are seemingly unable (due to events that transpire such as the coalition that supposedly restricted their mandate - the pandemic and so it goes on - there is always something and now you have the incumbent ‘red wall’ members that adds another dimension) to implement a swathe of low taxes and targeted deregulation and stick to it for the duration of their term.
You then have more interestingly the social elements of Conservatism which are problematic in the sense that the country has moved away from the religious Christian dominated conventional past periods and now is I think socially liberal on a range of issues relative to even 3 decades ago and further of course than that.
They need to focus I think on the preservation of the union firstly and the transition of the monarchy as a continuity which I think they are instinctively best place to position themselves.
Outside of those two areas - they could move towards drastic reform of the size of the state in replacing selective institutions with a more effective and efficient model - such as empowering localities with real funding streams and power to implement changes locally.
They could target charities and the voluntary sector with funding streams instead of bureaucracy in larger civil service state entities.
They could tear up the DWP and implement an arrangement that is fitting of the ‘past - present - future’ you spoke of insofar as thinking about the objective of the DWP for today’s society and the society in the next few decades.
Admittedly they cannot drastically reform the NHS I don’t believe (even with a majority) unless done cross party but the aim should be to achieve this.
They could rejuvenate areas of society where too many people hold mistrust and anger towards those areas (institutions) perhaps due to bad experiences and I think that is the sort of social agenda they could seek out.
They are facing the same introspection as the Labour Party as the populous has become nuanced and altered from the tribal politics of the past.
What I do think is very interesting is to see that distinction return (not so much tribalism division in the sense of hatred of the tories and that venom of yesteryear) to which in and of itself would act as an rejuvenation.
In short - the Conservatives are petrified in offering Conservative policies for fear of being annihilated at the ballot box because they are poorly advised to believe that those policies would result in such annihilation.
The Labour Party is petrified of offering an agenda of policies that are by equal measure instinctively of their very making as an entity both economically and socially for fear of being annihilated as well by an electorate who would apparently reject such policies.
The end result is two parties fighting over a tiny patch of grass that is essentially corroding the entire country as there is no distinction and just a continuation of one philosophy - that is not democracy - more so akin to an aristocracy and of the kind of continuation that you highlighted in Russia where they have not been free - I think that is a perspective that will resonate with many people.
Allowing the rich to pay less tax by cutting public spending is not 'liberty' for the poor. Selfishness may on the surface look like liberty, but it is in fact something quite different. Conservatives (with both a small and large 'c') aren't really Libertarians in the truest sense at all - they're quite keen on judging and attempting to control individual lifestyle choices in fact, choices which have no impact on them whatsoever. Conservatism is essentially repressive, narrow and places Darwinian hierarchy over an aspiration to equality, creativity or imagination . It disapproves of social transgression, the experimental or the alternative. Freedom. Conservatives are only really 'Libertarians' in the economic sense - e.g. their basic motivation is to pay less tax. Selfishness (consumerism) is not liberty I'm afraid.
Many people switch loyalties from the left to the right-hand side of politics.
Was that Alan Bennett asking a question near the end?
an excellent lecture..setting whites free of unnecessary guilt..
There is no short term future for Conservatives in the UK until Johnson goes. You are a great historian Dr Starkey , don't embarrass yourself and insult the younger generation .
Conservatism is merely slow liberalism. The last, true, British conservative was probably Salisbury. Britian has been a revolutionary state since at least 1945.
This point of passing on knowledge is extremely president as we are in the foothills of technology which is arguably replacing or rather we abrogate our conventional methods of learning and I think that it is unclear at this juncture the consequences of such a transformation.
Well done David on the need for this generation, to rediscover it History. You weak spot is Religion and to dismiss it when as Melvyn Bragg stated in his work "The Book of Books," regarding the impact the King James Bible had on this nation UK and the western world and the Christian faith shaped our society and our politics, This is fact; now its not a case of do you agree it should of influenced our culture for good or bad, but it did the Sunday school, STARTED By William and Raikes free education through the Sunday school. The vast amount of good that was done. Melvyn Bragg was brought an Anglican but would not say to my knowledge he is a professing Christian.. But through our History Many of our leader were Christian Catherine. Catherine Parr and her faith and the influence on Elizabeth the 1. Gladstone, Florence Nightingale. Lord Shaftesbury. William Wilberforce who was a key player in slave abolition, Religion has had its wars but you forget William Tyndale and the right for free though and expression of the Bible why was catholic ousted not per say of blind bigotry although that is present with some people but the fact that the Catholic Church at the reformation did not want the lay person to have there views of God as declared in the bible . God does have absolutes and if you take those absolutes out of the equation. The morality becomes situation ethics who ever is in power decides right and wrong, Look at Communism Fascism no God the out come is pure humanism and then the moral and ethical choice become as scripture say in the book of Judges "each man did right according to his own views." Christianity made this nation and despite the excess of men who abused religion and Christianity. The 10 of thousand of missionaries. even now who did a do good around the world not "fanatics or bible basher of who," who do exist. What you believe dictates what your morals and ethics are. With no God it becomes a free for all with those who are strongest getting there own way,
Keep the lectures coming
The modern Conservative Party is basically a liberal party, not a conservative one. Conservatism means 'preserving', and more specifically, preserving of values, traditions and established ways of approaching social, political and economic problems. Starkey is very wrong in painting liberalism as left wing, it instead very right wing - in many countries the main right wing parties are called liberal, not conservative. British conservatism lost itself after John Major lost in 1997, and has become more and more liberal. Let's not confuse liberal with the liberal-democrats, who are basically social democrats.
Is it just me (and maybe 6 million Scots), or doesn't Dr Starkey (whom I love) underrate the contribution of Scots to Britishness? Didn't Adam Smith and Robert Adam, and such men of the Scottish Enlightenment, even say, the man who imagined England - Sir Walter Scot --- have anything to do with what we think of as England?
Where was this filmed?
Limited selective immiagration can be assimulated but the mass importation of alien and hostile masses cannot be incorperated which is entirely the point. Also pinning your hopes for a revived monarchy on a thorough going gree mid-wit like Charles can only end in tears. The Academy Français saves the French a great deal of the woke dishonesty and shape shifting with the overt perversion and politicalisation.
@Radical Centrist God Yes but even they trot out the same noxious blatantly false platitudes on illegal immigration.
We are past that debate. We will be a minority by 2066. Immigration is colonis@tion.
We need to focus on getting our people out of the big cities, building our OWN media, parallel institutions and eventually schools OUTSIDE this rotten system.
Localism is important, we will not get London back. Long-term bulkanization is probably unstoppable.
He's trying to save institutions that are rotten with Liberalism.
@@evolassunglasses4673 you cannot draw these types of hard and fast dividing lines in many cases on ethnic and religious grounds The same used to be said for Protestant/Catholic divisions in the 19th and early 20th century with large scale Irish immigration.There was conflict but disaster receded from view at least outside Ulster
Also - I think you are wrong (I would be happy to be correct in this) that Scotland is highly likely to become a separate nation - in fact I think it is highly unlikely for two primary reasons - firstly is Nicola Sturgeon is leader and not Joanna Cherry or Alex Salmond - secondly I think the Scottish people have a broad consensus politically that provides them with the policies they instinctively wish to be provided with - which in the main is the sort of policies (economically) that are the polar opposite of authentic Conservatism in the Margaret Thatcher sense and so this leads to the question - what would the people of Scotland actually be voting for independence for given they have a centre/left broad coalition be that the SNP/Greens/Scottish Labour Party servicing their needs?
It could only be a return to the EU block and I just don’t think the majority of Scots will want to rock the boat and the whole issue over the currency and so no I think they will remain part of the union.
If I am wrong and you are correct and Scotland does achieve independence - it will be a game changer and staggeringly profound in many ways militarily and there would be profound consequences and so I think Sturgeon is doing a decent job alienating people and we will start united.
Henry VIII should have practiced polygamy. It was only the Christian concept of one husband and one wife for elders in the Christian congregation that was being imposed.
I do not agree that "we" did anything about government policies that were entirely out of the hands of ordinary people. We need to lay blame where it is due - poor government in almost the entire Anglosphere.
Lineage is legitimacy.
Starmer would have us in permanent jail you are a prophet
“Boris is a floater”. Yes, yes he is 😂 I know that’s not what you meant, but still…
The flush is disconnected
@@christopherevans6428 at least he’s predictable. Makes him (and the Tories) easier to control.
Ukrainian culture is assimilated (broadly) with Russian culture on many levels - it is arguable it is one country in a sense and so the comparative with the Normans is incomprehensible to me.
There is a RUclips of Prince Charles saying you will own nothing and be happy. The Magna Carta only gave rights to people who own land.
Churchill Oldham I new that
Highly conservative hungary had a lockdown.
David Starkey has always been a fine historian of England's Tudor period. Sadly, his ego has consumed him in his old age and his forays into modern politics have turned him into a parody of himself. On the Tudors he is fascinating. Jumping from subject to subject powered by sweeping generalisations, he is the pub bore.
I agree, he so conceited and pompous I cannot abide him. I also find it strange that he is embraced by ‘Conservatives’ so warmly, he is an Atheist homosexual which simply do not correspond with being Conservative in my mind.
Pashenet olweyes David
The question isn't how we should do immigration, but why the fuck should we? Looking at London as a positive example of immigration is also absurd.
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I don’t think at all the intention / objective of Russia is akin to the Norman conquest - more precisely it is to preserve the language and to do with military considerations /geo/political with NATO and factors of that nature in the mix - he (Putin) is not comparable to the Normans conquest and occupation of England - what an extraordinary remark!!!
As much as I admire Dr Starkey I have to disagree. Wokism comes from the Angloshere and it is a REVOLUTION that will divide western societies as no other.
May I also remind the audience that outside the Anglosphere ultra modern democracies devolped; Scandinavia and the Netherlands.
Wokism is a product of French post modern Marxism. Critical race theory, critical gender theory etc etc all trace their origins back to the works of French post modernist philosophers like Rousseau and Foucault.
There's no rational defence of monarchy. What's the point of it ? The divine right of kings ? Aristocratic privilege ? Come on
Not fully sure that it was conscience that put an end to slavery. Slavery is a (maybe necessary) component of agricultural societies; serfs, slaves are just farm animals who work for food like pigs, cows and sheep. I would say Industrialisation ended slavery - you need workers to have money to buy the stuff they made in the factory. It's most obvious in industrial north USA and agricultural, slave owning south
Who will go extinct first ?
The English
The French
The Germans
The Swedish