Common mistake for yall in the comment section: The Omnissiah is not the Machine God in and of itself. The Machine God actually closely resembles the Christian Holy Trinity. You have the Machine God itself, the Omnissiah who is its earthly embodiment and messenger, and the Motive Force is roughly analogous to the Holy Spirit, the force by which the Machine God works in the Materium.
Roughly analogous, yes, because the Holy Spirit is considered a person within the Trinity and not just a force. I really wouldn't be too surprised if the Motive Force starts speaking to people too though lol. The Warp is weird.
Don’t forget the writer’s source. British sarcasm and humour. Therefore early works are especially influenced by this attitude. The Grim-Dark is WWII and leaders sending soldiers and civilians into certain death for a slight advantage, physical or psychological.
I was going to say that it couldn't be the omnisia as the emporer had more time and people to form as a god, but then I realize that the emperor set up the machine cult waaayyyy before his own cult started.
It probably goes all the way back to the men of Gold actually, so nearly 20k years at this point. He can also supposedly see multiple timelines so he could have lived through millions of years of multiple histories. Nothing is a surprise or accident for him, for him to be this way must be exactly what he intended.
We've known of machine spirits as long as we've had machines or used mechanical tools. Anytime a human quietly pleaded for a rope to hold, an engine to start, or a program to run, they were speaking to the machine spirit.
I like this and if big E founded the cult to harness it, making himself the omnissiah like a Jesus to the machine God's father but all through his underhand manipulation of the cult
@@ciano9535 He smartly capitalised on the everyday superstitions of man to "funnel" those prayers to himself instead. Genius move tbh. By his will alone.
Yup. Slaanesh demons were stated to have been secretly going around and starting pleasure cults throughout the Eldar Empire before it's fall. Slaanesh engineered the circumstances that would bring about its own "birth," or more accurately, its own occurrence in the 40k universe. Causality and linear time have no meaning in the Warp. Slaanesh has always existed. _"'They are born in turn, though they have all existed forever. Time has no meaning for them. The fall of the aeldari did not cause the birth of She Who Thirsts, merely her occurrence. So too with all other gods, be they foul entities of Chaos, or divine forces of sentient power.'"_ *- The Siege of Terra: The End and the Death Volume I*
@@hakim6933 in some cases such as in the Guilloman return novels the far seer that was on loan as an advisor stated that some gods who ceased to be were also made as though they never existed when they died, leaving behind legends only, and some were erased from memory by becoming non existent so it can be done in WH.
Because AdMech actively pray to the Emperor as The Omnissiah, the answer is yes: He does get a boost from it like from the Imperial Cult. No warp Machine God would arise from their belief because it is staunchly directed towards a specific set of beliefs which need a human Omnissiah to help guide them.
Was not always like that tho, before imperum, mechanicus and its religion existed for quite a while-without an omnissiah cult to influence their piety.
Also this ain't entirely true, The Emperor being Omnisiah isn't even the most common belief amongst the Cult Mechanicum , we aren't a monolith our beliefs vary.
Unstoppable force colliding with an immovable object type vibes. The wise technological wisdom of the omnissiah vs the eratic blind progress of vashtorr
@@guilherme5094 or two halves of the same coin. Kinda feel that with the introduction of the "dark king" as a concept in the end and the death, could vashtor be some kind of dark omnissiah?
The Emperor is the Omnissiah. The omnissiah is not the Machine God itself, rather the Omnissiah is more analogous to Jesus, a living, physical embodiment of the Machine God sent to us to guide us.
The idea of the Machine God as an aspect of the Emperor’s power emerging during the Heresy is deeply compelling. It’s fascinating to consider that the faith of the Mechanicum could have contributed to the creation of this entity, shaping it into a fragment of the future God-Emperor we see post-Heresy. The golden light and the way it repels Chaos forces certainly align with the Emperor’s symbolism, suggesting a strong connection. However, the timeline raises some intriguing questions. Could this sighting be the first true manifestation of the Machine God, separate from the Emperor? Or is it a reflection of how faith can shape reality within the Warp? The potential for the Cult Mechanicus to birth its own divine aspect is a thrilling thought. (Thumbs Up if you believe the Machine God is an aspect of the Emperor-Thumbs Down if you think it’s an entirely separate entity.)
Something Neoth and Erda both seemed to understand and reiterate is that our individual willpower and mental symbology has a very real effect in the empyrean. To deny the validity of the horrors in the depths does have some effect, even if you spend eons suffering under them. I think her faith was rewarded in a way personally tailored to her subconscious expectation. He said the very act of knowing about the four gives them power and influence over us-but that goes for others, too. She saw her god and was saved. Omnissiah be praised.
My interpretation is that Warp entities are the result of different aspects coalescing, sort of like how single cell organisms merge to form more complex lifeforms. Having multiple forms of similar deities in a common domain, until they start consuming each other makes sense, and once the domain is fully claimed by one, it becomes a ”god” in lack of better words. There’s probably sooo many different entities outside of and bordering to the Realm of Chaos. Fabius Bile has become the lesser deity Pater Mutatis in the Warp, yet he exist himself at the same time.
It is most likely an aspect of big E. Why? Consider its last words: „where there is service, there is life.“ Now we slightly rephrase that: „If you live, you are of service.“ Now where have I heard something along those lines again… something like „Only in death does duty end.“
I've often heard that the dragon of Mars, possibly a c'tan, has been influencing Martian technology since the first colonization. And of course after the dark age of tech, human attention to detail to technology, to the point of worship, was all that kept humans alive on Mars after the AI that helped habiformed it betrayed humanity. I suspect the Machine God is an entity that has merged with the emperor. Of course some BL writer could change all that in a sentence, lol.
@@UncleMikeDrop 🤓Erm, acksually, Jesus was the Messiah, not a Prophet. He is the infinite God in human form, the unseen made seen, the Most High who washes away the sins of the world. Jesus himself said "I and the Father are one." and "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." This is somewhat consistent in the Mechanicum too. The Emperor is seen as the physical avatar/embodiment of the "Machine God" as it was, hence the Mechanicum viewing him as the Omnissiah. Given that big E is fragmented, its possible that some aspect of him is *actually* the warp entity that the Mechanicum have been venerating for so long. TBH, between the Star Child, the Emperor on the Golden Throne, and now this "Machine God", Big E is beginning to basically be a pantheon onto himself. If all of these differing fragments of him are gaining such power and their own followings, what will they be like when they all re-combine? The Dark King, obviously, but this explains how the Emperor was more/less solo-ing Chaos before Horus. Vasshtor, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Nurgle, and Khorn? Big E's varying aspects are three in counting at the moment, and there may be even more out there, each with power akin to a full chaos god. The Emperor countering Nurgle (Despair vs. Hope) the Star Child countering Khorn (Compassion vs. Hate), and now this new potential aspect, the machine god countering Vasshtor (Machine spirits vs. daemon engines) I wouldn't be surprised if the Eldar's "death god" that they're trying to awaken is another Emperor fragment, one that would hard-counter Slaanesh, and then we just need one more to counter Tzeentch. Anyways, nerd rant over. Thanks for coming to my information/lore dump and theory combo.
I really hope we hear new stuff with Perturabo & somehow give him a reason in the current storyline as to why he would stay chaos even after the heresy. His spite for Dorn can't be his fuel for staying in the league with demons & such when he stated himself that he disliked all of it. I'm guessing somehow they will use Vashtorr to explain things or create a reason.
I've been sat here in sheer freaking agony (infected Tonsils) and I have struggled to find something that helps me keep my mind off of it, then I rediscovered The wolf Lord! Thanks for doing what you do Rho, you no not the kindness you commit.
I think it is an aspect of the Emperor remember how even though Saanesh is the newest the others speak of her as having always been there. I think this is the same kinda thing.
at the end, talking about the "aspects" of the emperor, makes me imagine a psuedo pantheon of the imperium as a mirror to the chaos one? the aspects being mirrors of the other gods. you'd have the omnisiah for vashtorr, the warrior (astarties?) for khorn, the star child (love) for nurgle, the noble for slaanesh and the scholar for tzeentch
Okay, so how many Machine Gods have we got now? The Void Dragon, Vashtorr (well, pretty close), the Emperor on the throne (Omnissiah), the Star Child (I guess the Omnissiah too, because Emperor), and now a being that actually seems to be the coalescence of Machine God worship and probably is also the Emperor... The Star Child and Corpse Emperor would only count as 1/2 of a Machine God if it weren't for the fact that they seemingly have their own consciousness and ability to interact separately. Looks like the Mechanicus might have more of them, but Vashtorr has been much more hands-on recently.
The warp is malleable, raw potential and is shaped by thoughts and emotions. So, how something appears might me more up to the "viewers" interpretation rather than a distinct look/ aesthetic. A mechanicus adept expects the Omnissiah to be their savior and so that's what they see, even though it's just "energy" within the immaterium. The golden light is definitely the symbol of the benign/ good divine. Whether that is all exclusive to the Emperor at this moment in time or whether the Emperor himself is merely a part/ aspect of the forces of good, is difficult to say.
From what i understood from that story and titanicus, that was not the omnisia but the titans soul itself. in other stories it describes the pilots soul be either trapped or coppied in the engine itself. The titan legion on prospero could literally possess the piolet with the soul of a pilot that died in the titan
The Primarks have all said they see something or someone different when they look upon the Emperor. So he has the power to make anyone see what they want to see, and those who serve loyaly deserve a reward in the darkest of times.
I presume souls draw in souls. You don't need the Emperor to be on the throne for his power to exist. I think it's more an natural side effect of his light shining through the Empyrean and drawing the souls of his faithful to him. At this time they believed him to be the walking manifestation of the Machine God, therefore, there was belief in him, so his power was there, even if he didn't want it.
If it is the Emperor's aspect as the Cult Mechanicus' belief in the Omnissiah, then that means that there are two entities that are named the Omnissiah. The warp entity from this passage, and the other entity, whom UR-025 says that it has personally met.
The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Even if we assume that emps actually deceived the cult, with enough faith, a part of him could really become like the machine god envisioned by the martian cult
You know anathema might mean that the emperor exists in the opposite direction of chaos. It’s a growing force of order that is several interpretations of the emperor fusing together into one true force rather than chaos which is dividing and falling apart
It would be interesting if a new game are spawned for this era. That way 40k fans can continue to have their fun while the developers to not need to be held back by the fan when creating the spinoff setting.
whenever the subject of the Machine God comes up, my mind always drifts back to the exchange at the end of Man of Iron. Im paraphrasing here, but said MoI tells the tech priest "I have met the Omnissiah. The true one, not the human corpse in a glowing chair. He would find you disappointing. Maybe he was just shit talking her, but that would kind of go against his previous characterization (in which any similar mockery came as statements of dramatically ironic truth (e.g. "Threat Eliminated") rather than lies.
I saw the Machine God once. Granted - I'd been up playing Everquest for a bit over 60hrs, and I had just entered the Gnomish City of Invention. That said, though - pretty sure I met the Machine God then.
So, there is a theory that the four Chaos gods are actually part of a great "chaos god". Could God Emporer and machine god be almost seperate representations of the "warp god of order"?
@wolflordrho Just getting back into you videos but if you want a good parallel to emps with the mechanicus forges of mars, gods of mars has a machine touched bondsman fuse with a arch magos and it basically gives him emps armour and a burning sword to smite the heretic, if you haven't covered that yet.
I think it was birth in warp as it manifested itself using emepror owns energy and bevime an entity seperate bit still one with emeporor wmd become qn Shard of him Its like your body grow an extra hand
The Machine-God aught to have existed in the Warp since well before the Emperor was involved. The Mechanicum believed in and worshipped the Machine-God for probably thousands of years before the Emperor showed up and they decided at that point that he was the Omnissiah - the worldly manifestation of the Machine-God (kind of as Jesus is to God in Christianity). So if mass belief has always created powerful entities in the warp, which seems to be the case, one would think that the Machine-God already existed. But then, when the Mechanicum decided that The Emperor was the Omnissiah at the outset of the Great Crusade and began to worship him as such, an aspect of the Emperor in the form of The Omnissiah should have formed in the Warp, and been somehow merged with the already existing Machine-God warp entity, as the belief is that these two things are really the same just in different aspects. Right?
Not sure about this theory. The machine god is a Godhead, a Trimurti, the omnissiah is an aspect not the totality... So the machine god likely predates the emperor's emperorship by a long time as the cult was well established before unification, so there was plenty of time for an independent god to start forming in the warp from all the worship of the cult of Mars when it had its own empire before and after long night? That makes the emporor's interactions with the cult all the more intriguing though, him perhaps grafting himself onto a part formed god in some other Molech-esque event. Another possibility of course is that Mohana is not seeing the machine god, but rather a manifestation in her own imagination of the soul of Luxor Invictoria? Bearing in mind the great reveal in the Forges of Mars novels?
What if instead of the god emperor supplanting the machine god either he decided to lie and say he is the machine god when he intentionally wanted to create the machine god like initially envisioned in mars, to have a subordinate god, or what if instead of usurping the machine god's personality like some people theorize, he tried (and succeeded) in usurping the machine god's divinity and merging with it before it was even born. I mean imagine if just like how the Aeldari have multiple gods, the machine god was going to be born in the warp from humanity (transhumanity) in a time after Slanesh's birth, but the big E prophesised it and plugged that hole with the shard and then supplanted it.
I guess the Emperor had the pocket universe at the end of Penitent already in place at that time. Saving the souls he could for a future war against the Chaos Gods.
Regardless of the origins of a true Machine God it stands to reason that the worship and devotions of the Cult Mechanicus have indeed created the very entity they claim to revere much as Tau'Va was born. If this event took place during the Heresy it stands to reason Mars created the Machine God long, long ago and it's been around since before Big E sat down. In fact ever since The Emperor was interred on The Golden Throne the entire Imperium's methodology towards itself and the rest of the galaxy at large could be said to be incredibly Mechanical, viewing it's whole populations not as people but as machine parts in a vast mechanism being propelled with the Emperor's Will. What if one of the big reasons The Imperium is so generally terrible isn't just because the Mechanicus hoards technology and doesn't know how to contemplate innovation isn't just because of common human dogma but because of the Will of the actual Machine God as the setting literally implies could be the case?
The cult mechanicus do rituals on everything and blessing this being a form of worship the machine god would get a a steady stream of worship not as powerful as last stands in the name of the emperor but a massive volume of worship
For the longest ive considered the adeptus mechanicus to be the ONLY religion in the setting thats just wrong. "the sacred rite of activation requires the sprinkling of sacred oils lighting incense and praying for an hour ...before flipping a switch" have you tried skipping all that and just flipping the damn switch? -last words of servitor 0044291 at best i thought the ad mech may have a lesser wagh type of effect on tech.
It'll be a bit awkward if Vashtorr's final stop is visiting Mars to unlock his new dragon-shaped weapon. The Mechcanicus won't know how to deal with the reveal of two new "gods of machines" at once, especially if Vashtorr tells them that the dragon's presence is why they're obsessed with toasters in the first place.
*IT'S NOT THE EMPEROR* . There was a particular book which I can't remember at this time and in it there was a surviving Android from the Dark age of technology (when the Androids or the machines revolted against my unkind for unknown reasons) the surviving Android which was found and encountered by a few Space Marines and quickly destroyed by it claim that they're omnissiah it's not the real omnissiah, does this Android actually met the real machine God. This Android survived and its whereabouts to this day in the warmer for the universe is unknown. ... On top of which every time the spirit of the emperor has appeared especially with Reboute's case, the emperor is not describe this way.
You know idk why but I never put it together that the mechanicum are future sci-fi Amish people. Technology peaked and we don’t ever need to make anything new
Emperor is both the omnissaia and the god emperor. How??? Simple. Revival!!! The emperor is dead. And so is the omnissaia. And reborns. Becoming THE god emperor. Reviving the trinity and giving it life and making it alive.
@@Facts-only69 yeah, but Big E never finished manifesting the power therefore the Dark King was never technically birthed. If he had it would’ve been the same scale extinction event as Slaanesh being born with the Eldar.
People speak of the gods in wsrhammer like they come into existence from people believing in them. Like the greater good or the (god) emperor. But how does slaanesh get born from an elf orgy? Or nurgle. I don’t get chaos
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Common mistake for yall in the comment section: The Omnissiah is not the Machine God in and of itself. The Machine God actually closely resembles the Christian Holy Trinity. You have the Machine God itself, the Omnissiah who is its earthly embodiment and messenger, and the Motive Force is roughly analogous to the Holy Spirit, the force by which the Machine God works in the Materium.
Roughly analogous, yes, because the Holy Spirit is considered a person within the Trinity and not just a force. I really wouldn't be too surprised if the Motive Force starts speaking to people too though lol. The Warp is weird.
@@aliveandwellinisrael2507 Also the Motive Force is literally _electricity._
Don’t forget the writer’s source. British sarcasm and humour. Therefore early works are especially influenced by this attitude. The Grim-Dark is WWII and leaders sending soldiers and civilians into certain death for a slight advantage, physical or psychological.
@@aliveandwellinisrael2507 Holy Spirit is manifestation of Gods Power with its own will
Dude is a game your over thinking it.
I was going to say that it couldn't be the omnisia as the emporer had more time and people to form as a god, but then I realize that the emperor set up the machine cult waaayyyy before his own cult started.
Omnissiah, Emperor.
Your spelling is heretical
@@TheUnfallenHero yeah, probably. 🤪
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It probably goes all the way back to the men of Gold actually, so nearly 20k years at this point. He can also supposedly see multiple timelines so he could have lived through millions of years of multiple histories. Nothing is a surprise or accident for him, for him to be this way must be exactly what he intended.
We've known of machine spirits as long as we've had machines or used mechanical tools. Anytime a human quietly pleaded for a rope to hold, an engine to start, or a program to run, they were speaking to the machine spirit.
I like this and if big E founded the cult to harness it, making himself the omnissiah like a Jesus to the machine God's father but all through his underhand manipulation of the cult
yes the void dragon
not a warp god
@@ciano9535 He smartly capitalised on the everyday superstitions of man to "funnel" those prayers to himself instead.
Genius move tbh.
By his will alone.
Once a warp God is born, it appears to have "always" existed. Like Slanesh
Yes, free of time.
Yup. Slaanesh demons were stated to have been secretly going around and starting pleasure cults throughout the Eldar Empire before it's fall. Slaanesh engineered the circumstances that would bring about its own "birth," or more accurately, its own occurrence in the 40k universe. Causality and linear time have no meaning in the Warp. Slaanesh has always existed.
_"'They are born in turn, though they have all existed forever. Time has no meaning for them. The fall of the aeldari did not cause the birth of She Who Thirsts, merely her occurrence. So too with all other gods, be they foul entities of Chaos, or divine forces of sentient power.'"_
*- The Siege of Terra: The End and the Death Volume I*
Yes it's an adorable case of "writer not as clever as he thinks he's being", which We happily ignore.
If these CAN be slain would that then mean that they never existed?
@@hakim6933 in some cases such as in the Guilloman return novels the far seer that was on loan as an advisor stated that some gods who ceased to be were also made as though they never existed when they died, leaving behind legends only, and some were erased from memory by becoming non existent so it can be done in WH.
Because AdMech actively pray to the Emperor as The Omnissiah, the answer is yes: He does get a boost from it like from the Imperial Cult. No warp Machine God would arise from their belief because it is staunchly directed towards a specific set of beliefs which need a human Omnissiah to help guide them.
Was not always like that tho, before imperum, mechanicus and its religion existed for quite a while-without an omnissiah cult to influence their piety.
Not necessarily, the omnissiah and the machine god are different entities, like Mohamed and Ala.
Also this ain't entirely true, The Emperor being Omnisiah isn't even the most common belief amongst the Cult Mechanicum , we aren't a monolith our beliefs vary.
I'd love to see an interaction between vashtor and the omnissiah
Unstoppable force colliding with an immovable object type vibes.
The wise technological wisdom of the omnissiah vs the eratic blind progress of vashtorr
I still think that somehow, they are the same entity.
@@guilherme5094 or two halves of the same coin. Kinda feel that with the introduction of the "dark king" as a concept in the end and the death, could vashtor be some kind of dark omnissiah?
The Emperor is the Omnissiah. The omnissiah is not the Machine God itself, rather the Omnissiah is more analogous to Jesus, a living, physical embodiment of the Machine God sent to us to guide us.
You mean Vashtor and Void dragon? They are lining up for it with Vashtor heading towards the Necrons currently
The idea of the Machine God as an aspect of the Emperor’s power emerging during the Heresy is deeply compelling. It’s fascinating to consider that the faith of the Mechanicum could have contributed to the creation of this entity, shaping it into a fragment of the future God-Emperor we see post-Heresy. The golden light and the way it repels Chaos forces certainly align with the Emperor’s symbolism, suggesting a strong connection.
However, the timeline raises some intriguing questions. Could this sighting be the first true manifestation of the Machine God, separate from the Emperor? Or is it a reflection of how faith can shape reality within the Warp? The potential for the Cult Mechanicus to birth its own divine aspect is a thrilling thought.
(Thumbs Up if you believe the Machine God is an aspect of the Emperor-Thumbs Down if you think it’s an entirely separate entity.)
Nah I got my theory
The Emperor is an Aspect of the Machine God, it's flesh blood and soul.
The Emperor is more likely the current iteration of the Omnissiah, not the Machine God itself.
Something Neoth and Erda both seemed to understand and reiterate is that our individual willpower and mental symbology has a very real effect in the empyrean. To deny the validity of the horrors in the depths does have some effect, even if you spend eons suffering under them.
I think her faith was rewarded in a way personally tailored to her subconscious expectation.
He said the very act of knowing about the four gives them power and influence over us-but that goes for others, too.
She saw her god and was saved. Omnissiah be praised.
My interpretation is that Warp entities are the result of different aspects coalescing, sort of like how single cell organisms merge to form more complex lifeforms. Having multiple forms of similar deities in a common domain, until they start consuming each other makes sense, and once the domain is fully claimed by one, it becomes a ”god” in lack of better words. There’s probably sooo many different entities outside of and bordering to the Realm of Chaos. Fabius Bile has become the lesser deity Pater Mutatis in the Warp, yet he exist himself at the same time.
It is most likely an aspect of big E. Why?
Consider its last words: „where there is service, there is life.“
Now we slightly rephrase that: „If you live, you are of service.“
Now where have I heard something along those lines again… something like „Only in death does duty end.“
The Omnissiah knows all, comprehend all 🤖
I just figured the Machine God was born when The Emperor imprisoned the shard of The Void Dragon on Mars.
That is the seed planted.
Colonization of mars had to happen before the omnissiah could've be born.
That chronology sounds more feasable to me.
@virgolaniakean8001 The Omnissiah is the prophet of the Machine God.
Think Mechanicum Jesus.
I've often heard that the dragon of Mars, possibly a c'tan, has been influencing Martian technology since the first colonization. And of course after the dark age of tech, human attention to detail to technology, to the point of worship, was all that kept humans alive on Mars after the AI that helped habiformed it betrayed humanity. I suspect the Machine God is an entity that has merged with the emperor.
Of course some BL writer could change all that in a sentence, lol.
@@UncleMikeDrop 🤓Erm, acksually, Jesus was the Messiah, not a Prophet. He is the infinite God in human form, the unseen made seen, the Most High who washes away the sins of the world. Jesus himself said "I and the Father are one." and "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father."
This is somewhat consistent in the Mechanicum too. The Emperor is seen as the physical avatar/embodiment of the "Machine God" as it was, hence the Mechanicum viewing him as the Omnissiah. Given that big E is fragmented, its possible that some aspect of him is *actually* the warp entity that the Mechanicum have been venerating for so long. TBH, between the Star Child, the Emperor on the Golden Throne, and now this "Machine God", Big E is beginning to basically be a pantheon onto himself. If all of these differing fragments of him are gaining such power and their own followings, what will they be like when they all re-combine?
The Dark King, obviously, but this explains how the Emperor was more/less solo-ing Chaos before Horus. Vasshtor, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Nurgle, and Khorn? Big E's varying aspects are three in counting at the moment, and there may be even more out there, each with power akin to a full chaos god. The Emperor countering Nurgle (Despair vs. Hope) the Star Child countering Khorn (Compassion vs. Hate), and now this new potential aspect, the machine god countering Vasshtor (Machine spirits vs. daemon engines)
I wouldn't be surprised if the Eldar's "death god" that they're trying to awaken is another Emperor fragment, one that would hard-counter Slaanesh, and then we just need one more to counter Tzeentch.
Anyways, nerd rant over. Thanks for coming to my information/lore dump and theory combo.
I really hope we hear new stuff with Perturabo & somehow give him a reason in the current storyline as to why he would stay chaos even after the heresy. His spite for Dorn can't be his fuel for staying in the league with demons & such when he stated himself that he disliked all of it. I'm guessing somehow they will use Vashtorr to explain things or create a reason.
I've been sat here in sheer freaking agony (infected Tonsils) and I have struggled to find something that helps me keep my mind off of it, then I rediscovered The wolf Lord! Thanks for doing what you do Rho, you no not the kindness you commit.
I think it is an aspect of the Emperor remember how even though Saanesh is the newest the others speak of her as having always been there. I think this is the same kinda thing.
at the end, talking about the "aspects" of the emperor, makes me imagine a psuedo pantheon of the imperium as a mirror to the chaos one? the aspects being mirrors of the other gods. you'd have the omnisiah for vashtorr, the warrior (astarties?) for khorn, the star child (love) for nurgle, the noble for slaanesh and the scholar for tzeentch
Okay, so how many Machine Gods have we got now? The Void Dragon, Vashtorr (well, pretty close), the Emperor on the throne (Omnissiah), the Star Child (I guess the Omnissiah too, because Emperor), and now a being that actually seems to be the coalescence of Machine God worship and probably is also the Emperor... The Star Child and Corpse Emperor would only count as 1/2 of a Machine God if it weren't for the fact that they seemingly have their own consciousness and ability to interact separately.
Looks like the Mechanicus might have more of them, but Vashtorr has been much more hands-on recently.
It is likely older, but mingled with the the Emperor ...
Using his energy and becoming his part of emperor
Mechanicus. "I give thanks to the Machine God"
Vashtor: "Aw, you're we-"
Machine God: "01011001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01110111 01100101 01101100 01100011 01101111 01101101 01100101"
Vashtor: *panicked screaming*
When you think you've completed the marathon first, only to find someone chilling there when you finally reach the end
The warp is malleable, raw potential and is shaped by thoughts and emotions.
So, how something appears might me more up to the "viewers" interpretation rather than a distinct look/ aesthetic. A mechanicus adept expects the Omnissiah to be their savior and so that's what they see, even though it's just "energy" within the immaterium.
The golden light is definitely the symbol of the benign/ good divine. Whether that is all exclusive to the Emperor at this moment in time or whether the Emperor himself is merely a part/ aspect of the forces of good, is difficult to say.
From what i understood from that story and titanicus, that was not the omnisia but the titans soul itself. in other stories it describes the pilots soul be either trapped or coppied in the engine itself. The titan legion on prospero could literally possess the piolet with the soul of a pilot that died in the titan
Yeah that's what it sounded like to me too, not a machine god but her titan's machine spririt.
The Primarks have all said they see something or someone different when they look upon the Emperor. So he has the power to make anyone see what they want to see, and those who serve loyaly deserve a reward in the darkest of times.
I straight up thought it was her merging with luxor invictoria’s machine spirit which happens a lot to really old princeps if I read correctly
I presume souls draw in souls. You don't need the Emperor to be on the throne for his power to exist. I think it's more an natural side effect of his light shining through the Empyrean and drawing the souls of his faithful to him. At this time they believed him to be the walking manifestation of the Machine God, therefore, there was belief in him, so his power was there, even if he didn't want it.
If it is the Emperor's aspect as the Cult Mechanicus' belief in the Omnissiah, then that means that there are two entities that are named the Omnissiah. The warp entity from this passage, and the other entity, whom UR-025 says that it has personally met.
The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Even if we assume that emps actually deceived the cult, with enough faith, a part of him could really become like the machine god envisioned by the martian cult
You know anathema might mean that the emperor exists in the opposite direction of chaos. It’s a growing force of order that is several interpretations of the emperor fusing together into one true force rather than chaos which is dividing and falling apart
As a side note - can we not forget that once a Warp God comes into existence, that it has suddenly *_always existed_*
It would be interesting if a new game are spawned for this era. That way 40k fans can continue to have their fun while the developers to not need to be held back by the fan when creating the spinoff setting.
whenever the subject of the Machine God comes up, my mind always drifts back to the exchange at the end of Man of Iron. Im paraphrasing here, but said MoI tells the tech priest "I have met the Omnissiah. The true one, not the human corpse in a glowing chair. He would find you disappointing. Maybe he was just shit talking her, but that would kind of go against his previous characterization (in which any similar mockery came as statements of dramatically ironic truth (e.g. "Threat Eliminated") rather than lies.
So, either it's a manipulative Emperor or the nascent Vashtor.
I saw the Machine God once. Granted - I'd been up playing Everquest for a bit over 60hrs, and I had just entered the Gnomish City of Invention. That said, though - pretty sure I met the Machine God then.
Always more to learn...
Could one of the missing Primearchs be Vashtor? Considering what Corax is doing
Plot twist: it's actually Vashtorr
“haha psych!”
The machine god is a c‘tan. captured by the emperor and locked away deep within Mars.
Garo too was also claimed by some golden essence iirc
So, there is a theory that the four Chaos gods are actually part of a great "chaos god". Could God Emporer and machine god be almost seperate representations of the "warp god of order"?
I think it's a fragment of his consciousness.
@wolflordrho Just getting back into you videos but if you want a good parallel to emps with the mechanicus forges of mars, gods of mars has a machine touched bondsman fuse with a arch magos and it basically gives him emps armour and a burning sword to smite the heretic, if you haven't covered that yet.
What about Fulgrim comeback and the Machine God seen around? Someone says Ferrus is the next one of the loyalist 👀
I think it was birth in warp as it manifested itself using emepror owns energy and bevime an entity seperate bit still one with emeporor wmd become qn Shard of him
Its like your body grow an extra hand
"...and He will catch you"
I think it’s more likely that was the soul of the titan in the warp and the titans are like living saints.
So, how does the Void Dragon fit into this? Since the machine spirits are shards of the Void Dragon, it stands to reason that VD would be involved.
They could be planning to pull a big twist and have the Void Dragon shard be the "weapon" that Vashtorr wants to unlock.
If Tauva is already an entity the Machine God has to be one as well.
Necer forget to account for the void dragon on mars.
Interesting video
If enough believe the warp will provide 🎉
It could just be that this is neither a shard nor an aspect of the God Emperor. It could always just be an empyrean ally to the Emperor.
Question. Did she merge with her machine or something? Maybe thats how machine spirits are made?
So how does the shard of the dragon on Mars tie in?
_Praise the Omnissiah!_
The Machine-God aught to have existed in the Warp since well before the Emperor was involved. The Mechanicum believed in and worshipped the Machine-God for probably thousands of years before the Emperor showed up and they decided at that point that he was the Omnissiah - the worldly manifestation of the Machine-God (kind of as Jesus is to God in Christianity). So if mass belief has always created powerful entities in the warp, which seems to be the case, one would think that the Machine-God already existed. But then, when the Mechanicum decided that The Emperor was the Omnissiah at the outset of the Great Crusade and began to worship him as such, an aspect of the Emperor in the form of The Omnissiah should have formed in the Warp, and been somehow merged with the already existing Machine-God warp entity, as the belief is that these two things are really the same just in different aspects. Right?
i thought the machine God was the ctan void dragon on mars no?
Not sure about this theory. The machine god is a Godhead, a Trimurti, the omnissiah is an aspect not the totality... So the machine god likely predates the emperor's emperorship by a long time as the cult was well established before unification, so there was plenty of time for an independent god to start forming in the warp from all the worship of the cult of Mars when it had its own empire before and after long night?
That makes the emporor's interactions with the cult all the more intriguing though, him perhaps grafting himself onto a part formed god in some other Molech-esque event.
Another possibility of course is that Mohana is not seeing the machine god, but rather a manifestation in her own imagination of the soul of Luxor Invictoria? Bearing in mind the great reveal in the Forges of Mars novels?
What if instead of the god emperor supplanting the machine god either he decided to lie and say he is the machine god when he intentionally wanted to create the machine god like initially envisioned in mars, to have a subordinate god, or what if instead of usurping the machine god's personality like some people theorize, he tried (and succeeded) in usurping the machine god's divinity and merging with it before it was even born. I mean imagine if just like how the Aeldari have multiple gods, the machine god was going to be born in the warp from humanity (transhumanity) in a time after Slanesh's birth, but the big E prophesised it and plugged that hole with the shard and then supplanted it.
Time is in flux in the warp. It is the emperor
It would be cool if Mars birthed the Emperor as a true god.
The many faced God.
I guess the Emperor had the pocket universe at the end of Penitent already in place at that time. Saving the souls he could for a future war against the Chaos Gods.
Regardless of the origins of a true Machine God it stands to reason that the worship and devotions of the Cult Mechanicus have indeed created the very entity they claim to revere much as Tau'Va was born. If this event took place during the Heresy it stands to reason Mars created the Machine God long, long ago and it's been around since before Big E sat down.
In fact ever since The Emperor was interred on The Golden Throne the entire Imperium's methodology towards itself and the rest of the galaxy at large could be said to be incredibly Mechanical, viewing it's whole populations not as people but as machine parts in a vast mechanism being propelled with the Emperor's Will. What if one of the big reasons The Imperium is so generally terrible isn't just because the Mechanicus hoards technology and doesn't know how to contemplate innovation isn't just because of common human dogma but because of the Will of the actual Machine God as the setting literally implies could be the case?
what was the knight he fixed ? is it like a crazy relic?
The cult mechanicus do rituals on everything and blessing this being a form of worship the machine god would get a a steady stream of worship not as powerful as last stands in the name of the emperor but a massive volume of worship
For the longest ive considered the adeptus mechanicus to be the ONLY religion in the setting thats just wrong.
"the sacred rite of activation requires the sprinkling of sacred oils lighting incense and praying for an hour ...before flipping a switch"
have you tried skipping all that and just flipping the damn switch? -last words of servitor 0044291
at best i thought the ad mech may have a lesser wagh type of effect on tech.
So does this mean another rebellion will happen soon? From zealots who are appalled compared to the mechanicus who are excited
So what happens when Mars comes across Vashtor?
It'll be a bit awkward if Vashtorr's final stop is visiting Mars to unlock his new dragon-shaped weapon. The Mechcanicus won't know how to deal with the reveal of two new "gods of machines" at once, especially if Vashtorr tells them that the dragon's presence is why they're obsessed with toasters in the first place.
By his will alone.
*IT'S NOT THE EMPEROR* . There was a particular book which I can't remember at this time and in it there was a surviving Android from the Dark age of technology (when the Androids or the machines revolted against my unkind for unknown reasons) the surviving Android which was found and encountered by a few Space Marines and quickly destroyed by it claim that they're omnissiah it's not the real omnissiah, does this Android actually met the real machine God. This Android survived and its whereabouts to this day in the warmer for the universe is unknown.
... On top of which every time the spirit of the emperor has appeared especially with Reboute's case, the emperor is not describe this way.
> "I recommen you read the stories for yourself"
> Horus Heresy
Brother, i don`t have 40k hours to read all that)
What loyalist faction hates the tech priest the most?
she went to the yellow city?
You know idk why but I never put it together that the mechanicum are future sci-fi Amish people. Technology peaked and we don’t ever need to make anything new
Might be like that you can find in American gods different versions of the same being
We know Vashtorr is a tech demon and that chaos lies. When are we going to see the followers of Vashtorr who believe him to be The Omnisiah?
Emperor is both the omnissaia and the god emperor.
How???
Simple.
Revival!!!
The emperor is dead.
And so is the omnissaia.
And reborns.
Becoming THE god emperor.
Reviving the trinity and giving it life and making it alive.
Bring back the star gods and let them eat the warp
Didn’t he appear during the war of Armageddon?
so the beign called the emperor is at the same time: the corpse in the throne, the star child, the dark king and the machine god? lol a bit much
He COULD’VE become the Dark King, but rejected the power.
@@znorman23 But the chaos gods always existed way before their so called birth in the story, by extension so is the dark king...
@@Facts-only69 yeah, but Big E never finished manifesting the power therefore the Dark King was never technically birthed. If he had it would’ve been the same scale extinction event as Slaanesh being born with the Eldar.
@@znorman23 yet.
Like the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost?
Cawl should become saint cog-boy
Of course the machine god is real.
Vashtorr the Arkifane.
2! Wolf Lord Rho!! For some reason I'm not getting notifications for your uploads! That's messed up.
What if...trying not to spread heresy here. What if the entirety of 40k is simply happening by the emperor willing it through psychic force?
It's the Void Dragon. End of story
noice
Bruh, it's just the titan
He was the omnissiah long before he was the god emperor ….
People speak of the gods in wsrhammer like they come into existence from people believing in them. Like the greater good or the (god) emperor. But how does slaanesh get born from an elf orgy? Or nurgle. I don’t get chaos
no
According to UR-025 this is not the emperor
Can someone please send a tweet to NASA asking if they dress in red robes and say prayers to thier computers in binary, and light candles?
That is not NASA at all
Machine spirits could be saints
I mean what if the AI just worshiped an AI god 😅😅😅😅
You know, this has some implications given the 3 armed emperor is a thing, a sort of parasite on the empowering emperors power
The Omnissiah is a C'tan.
it will probably be mee too stronk woman power given how games workshop is going these days
The Omnissah is Steve Jobs resurrected
Recommended to watch video at 1.5-1.65x speed
No
@notabirdboy Yes
Thank you
It's actually better at .5
@alastor8091 Really put you to sleep
this is stupid
its not a warp god
its the void dragon
you dont make a god by worshipping another god
stop ruining good lore for imperial fanfic
What happened... im seeing ai everywhere... i used to like the art while listening to the narration 😢
Get used to it, it's not going to get any less popular.