Its actually the film car but they use it as a back up vehicle. What about a Toyota Prius with 110hp but only 67 from the gas motor? Also is it really that bad? Any modern car should do.
We did the White Rim Trail in Moab Utah in 2 model T's in September and had a 1956 land rover as a companion vehicle and it was the vehicle that had a fuel system problem, no problems with the T's
This is my favorite TFL series yet. Kind of hilarious since they put so much effort into all their videos and my favorite is arguably the silliest. It's classic Top Gear vibes and I'm loving it. 😂
My dad (owner of an unrestored 1921 Model T Roadster - all original never restored) and three of his friends, who also owned one Model T each, made this trip in 1978. They actually drove their T's from Tucson Arizona, to Salt Lake UT, to Denver CO, up Pike's Peak, then down to Demming NM and back to Tucson AZ. It took them 14 days (2 weeks) and over 1000 miles. Glad to see you made it safe!
damn, nice the original model T's could probably outlast any of the reproductions, im in tucson rn and i think i may have seen a model T last month but memory a bit foggy lol
You might want to learn the skill of mixture and ignition timing a bit more in the mountains. I'd guess there is some more power to find that way. Thank you for sharing this trip! The view even gets better with a classic car!
Fantastic achievement! I remember they tested turbocharging on airplane engines at the top from 10 Sep 1918 through 7 Oct 1918 specifically because it was the highest location they could reach for testing at altitude.
My grandfather drove his model T from Missouri to South Park in the late 1920's. Stopped somewhere in Kansas to put new bearings in the engine. Once in South Park he got a fuel tank relocation kit so the T could go up hills and not starve the engine of gas.
@@webmonkey44South Park is a large area of Park County Colorado, towns of FairPlay and Jefferson look very similar to the area in the disgraceful fictional cartoon.
My great uncle Jim told me that back in the day they would reverse their Model T up a steep hill. I seem to recall him saying that the gear reduction ratio in reverse was more than the first gear. Sure it would be really slow but it got to the top of the hill though he wasn't on Pikes Peak either.
I had to do this with a '65 VW Van to get up a steep Colorado pass...the added bonus was, I opened the rear hatch door which gave the 1200cc engine more cooling!
Outstanding now yall gotta do this with the a and the army jeep if you dont myself and about 349k other people are gonna pester you about it in the comments section for every video for months to come
Tommy and Kase, your classic videos are just sublime. Such a great duo, leting us follow along on their adventures. As they learn, so do we. Full speed ahead guys!! 👍👍
This was everything I wanted it to be and 100 percent wholesome. This definitely brought you two closer as family. And the facetiousness mixed with compliments still very strong. Loved it Roman Thank you for helping allow it. Cole we love you
I remember going up to the summit before they paved Pikes Peak back in 2000. It was spring break, and it was snowing up at the top when we got there. Good memories.
My house is at 25 feet on the coast of Connecticut. I love this so much! My grandfather restored cars and he had a 1914 Model T (first time they had a model year, so it was manufactured in 1913), 1921 Model T fire engine, and others.
We have a ‘27 Buick and there is zero chance we would attempt to do what these two did in that T!!!! Zero Chance….. I get nervous just seeing a hill, let alone PIKES PEAK!
I’d like to see a series with a car from every decade, or maybe every other decade, up until the 70s or 80s. Kind of a deep dive into automobile evolution and also a test of how old of a vehicle can still be used in modern traffic without any hindrance.
I would like to compliment the absolutely fantastic videos the TFL organization puts forth. The collaboration of the two gentlemen Tommy and Mr. Van Rees are such a fantastic addition to the whole experience. The " Model T" series are just stupendous, offering the viewer a glimpse into many scenarios of " back in the day" that were quite possibly a reality for our forefathers. Thank you for the visually rewarding series. Best Regards Lord Brett Sinclair.
Wonderful video. The Model T is the last car on my bucket list. I have driven old cars before they were old and the smoke from the engine coming down the mountain was from using engine brake and the vacuum sucking the oil past the rings and valve stems. Totally normal on the old cars and that is why every few thousand miles you had to pull the head and clean all the carbon out of the combustion chambers. keep up the videos as it saves me money in buying a Model T of my own.
I thought motors cooled from overheating better when they’re left parked but still running, rather than shut off. That way the coolant is being circulated. But i don’t know much about the model t, or a lot in general lol
I remember moving to colorado back in like 2006 and visiting pikes peak like 2 days later, im from california originally and I got the worst altitude sickness ever after that trip and I remember it for that specifically. I moved back to california years later.
I love this video! I think your 1915 would have made it up without a tow; your Ruckstell is made exactly for this type of hill climbing. Also, the 1926 and 1927 cars are about 100-200 lbs heavier than the previous cars, because Ford changed the bodies from a wood framed construction to an all steel design. When accounting for the starter motor and generator, your 1927 pickup is about 350 lbs heavier than your 1915 runabout. I would recommend finding a set of Rocky Mountain Brakes for your pickup, as they employ a cable linkage that engages shoes on the outside of the brake drum when you press the brake pedal, so you don't have to worry about burning up the transmission. The Rocky Mountain Brake drum is also quite a bit larger than the stock brake drum, so they are better suited for the 1926/27 cars. For your 1915, I would recommend a set of AC Brakes; they operate with the same principle as Rocky Mountains, but on the stock brake drum, so it maintains a more original appearance. All of these accessories were available to customers in the 1910's and 1920's, so they are all totally appropriate to put on a Model T.
Beautiful video. I didn't know that there is such a tall mountain in Colorado. Thanks for showing it. I like your humor, it's very nice. Greetings from Santa Catarina State, Southern Brazil.
They checked your a brake temperature at the right spot. If your brakes were already hot at the location of the brake check, you may have lost your brakes completely on the next section that did caused your brakes to smoke. In the 1990's I was told they started checking brake temperature, after a heavy SUV boiled their brake fluid, lost control, and hit a tree at an estimated 80 mph.
They're not so much checking the brakes as they're checking the driver. If the driver is a flatlander who doesn't let it walk down in 1st for the hairpins between 13K and 12K ft, she might get herself into trouble later on.
great video guys. I'd love to travel the Rocky's but i live in Atlantic Canada so not much for mountains. You guys should do the same trip in the model A, I'm just curious to see the difference and I bet a lot of viewers would also like to see it.
Loved it! What a fun idea and a great car. If you want a little advice from an old car tech here, maybe take a closer look at that head gasket. It could be causing that intermittent cough, smoke, and overheat as the engine temp cycles. Either way, thanks for putting this out there!
Tommy and Case make a GREAT team. I am wondering if you should do a total rebuild on the Model T engine? Head gasket , etc . Wondering if you can give it front brakes?
Brilliant video. Thankyou. If all other braking systems were unserviceable, would you (as a last resort) be able to hit the reverse pedal? Given the nature of the transmission, I would imagine that there would be no synchronisation issues with doing so... I imagine that the engine would stall pretty quickly. The engine would probably run backwards, which wouldn't hurt anything. and if you closed the throttle and turned off the ignition, it would give a decent amount of exhaust braking. Obviously, this would be a desperation move, prior to bailing out, but it might be enough to save the day. If you take the pick up back for her Hundredth birthday, with a Ruckstell two speed diff (and maybe some rocky mountain brakes) it is important to keep in mind that they can get stuck between ratios, leaving you with no engine or foot braking. Do not change diff ratios when your life depends on your brakes. As you found out, the hand brake is truly an "emergency brake", meant for one time use only. I suspect the smoke coming from your T on the way down was from the transmission brake overheating...
Back in 2006 I drove up and down that road in my 2000 Saturn S-series, while towing our 2450lb pop-up camper. We also had the car completely packed, including our two children in the back seat. That was not the steepest road we travelled on during that trip and only needed to drop down to 2nd gear when coming out of the steepest switch back turns. We also drove on a much steeper road that went through a military base and ended up on the California coastal highway (if you know the name of that road and the military base we drove through, please post it here). For that road we needed to drop down to 1st gear, both when driving up and to control the speed when driving down. The S-series was completely stock, with exception to having 85% water in the coolant, MTL transmission fluid in the transaxle, a custom trailer hitch (that transferred the weight to under the back seat), a Reese mini-350 weight distributing hitch, and Shell Rotella T 15-w40 oil. We put something like 50,000 miles towing that trailer, out of the well over 250,000 miles on the car. It was still running like a top and not burning oil when someone blew through a red light and didn't see me, writing off the car... BTW, IMO the only safe way down a mountain in a vehicle with brakes that get hot on the second of back to back 70mph to zero stops (easy to test) is to 100% use engine braking to control speed and use the service brakes only for decelerating the vehicle for something like an intersection, stopping traffic or a steep turn. In the Saturn I often descended with the engine screaming at almost 7000rpm in 2nd or 3rd gear. I always saved the service brakes for actually stopping. In our travels with the trailer, we did have a couple of emergency stops while descending some of the steepest grades. We always had no problem quickly slowing down and stopping, while some other vehicles struggled to stop with their brakes smoking horribly. In one case a minivan towing a similar trailer, just overtook us and only minutes later lost control of their speed and crashed into the corner guard trail.
I have watched this twice now. I think this may be one of your best videos ever. It deserves more views though!! You should have used a better Thumbnail and Title. I almost missed this when it came out. Should have used 'Crazy hillclimb in Model T, can it make it?! ' as title and a thumbnail with you looking scared while drivning on the cliff edge. Gotta be a bit clickbaity so people don't miss your best videos! The content itself could not be better though!! 10/10 video! With old top gear vibes and all.
Love this series. I will say you guys missed an opportunity to do "old vs new" - have the chase vehicle be an electric Mustand Mach E. Still fun to watch. Hope you guys do other eras of classic cars too. Personal favorite is the 60s.
Great video. There's gotta be a way to eek out a bit more power, if other T's have done Pikes Peak before without "assistance". I do seem to recall hearing that back in the day, reversing up the steepest grades was a thing, taking advantage of lower gearing in reverse, although I don't know if that applied to Model T's specifically, or just brass-age cars in general.
I own a plane that is very much like a Model T with wings. Very basic. Tube and fabric construction. Has a 65HP 2 stroke parallel twin. It has altitude compensating carbs but at 14,000ft, you're barely making enough power to keep flying. Climb rate drops from about 1500fpm at standard day conditions to about 200fpm as you approach 14,000 ft. Engine power output decreases by 3% for every 1000ft above sea level, as a rough guide but air pressure is actually an exponential function, or rather air pressure has an inverse square relationship to altitude. So, at 14,000ft, you're lucky if your engine is making half the power it makes at sea level. You can only fly for half an hour at that altitude without supplemental oxygen because you're only getting 60% of the oxygen you would get at sea level. The Model T, having a particularly low revving, low compression motor is going to suffer far worse than a modern engine. Pretty sure you can get 40 or 50 HP in a Model T if you use period upgrades, such as an OHC conversion. You'd want higher compression, a water pump, pressure oiling, etc.
Final thought: "Amazing engineering 100 years old" was perfect! Not to hurt your feelings- I subscribe for the Model T content and you guys are just passengers. Give you credit for a brilliant idea! PP is iconic and y'all did it. Any thought to bringing some one gallon jugs of water in the chase vehicle? to pour on the hot parts?
As you gain elavation the boiling point of water reduces which is why it boiled when it didn't feel to hot 212f or 100c at sea level and at ten thousand feet it's 194f or 90c It looked like a fun drive
Good morning from Cape Cod ⛵ Very impressive to see you guys drive 100 year old car up and down pikes peak 👍 I guarantee you that Defender 100 years from now won't do it 😉 this was an awesome video with some really nice scenery ✌️🇺🇲
So cute as Kase pointed out The Hills. As we were on all top of the 12 highest Mountains, in the US = All in Alaska. As we stood near the summit of #6 Blackburn. I just thought at 16,391 ft how Puny 😂 - Mr K when really u going to Spdfly? Let us know. Paragliding is such a snooze😂. Base Jump? Heck Skydiving!
Well done!! I honestly thought the idea was crazy, but you proved me wrong. Or maybe I was right, but you just beat the odds. Either way, this was a really enjoyable video.
Having finally tried this in Gran Turismo 4 spec 2 recently, 1st gear covers more speed than 2nd gear does if the game is correct. A more aggressive 1st gear would help a lot when you really start to lose power at these altitudes. Imagine one of these trucks with the really shallow gearing of a k car 5 speed gearbox lol that might actually make this moderately more usable
You crazy kids!! Great job with the car. Makes you appreciate what driver's had to go through in the early days. I enjoy all of your channels but especially your classics. I even got the wife to watch TFL classics with me.
I wish I had a pair of Wilson safety goggles to post to you gentleman. You would look more Henry Ford than Dr. Emmet Brown from “Back to the Future “. Love the anachronism anyway!
There was a steep hill near my grandfather’s house. He would have to drive his model T up the hill backwards, to keep the gas tank higher than the carb.
Snow obstacles notwithstanding, I would be very interested to see this test done in the dead cold of winter. See how much better (or worse) the car does with the denser air, and the greater resistance to overheating.
You need a barometric compensator, at that altitude, it'll compress the air to slightly over atmospheric at sea level, so you can climb it better. You'll love it
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That was an excellent video guys - Thank you for sharing it with us. 👍
Did anyone else besides me think wow they are pretty ballsy taking that Land Rover as a backup vehicle?
Its actually the film car but they use it as a back up vehicle. What about a Toyota Prius with 110hp but only 67 from the gas motor? Also is it really that bad? Any modern car should do.
A backup vehicle that needs a backup vehicle. I had the same thought.
Nahh..they brought the model T too..
We did the White Rim Trail in Moab Utah in 2 model T's in September and had a 1956 land rover as a companion vehicle and it was the vehicle that had a fuel system problem, no problems with the T's
Wtf are u babbling about??? @@Defianthuman
This is my favorite TFL series yet. Kind of hilarious since they put so much effort into all their videos and my favorite is arguably the silliest. It's classic Top Gear vibes and I'm loving it. 😂
Need someone to do Top Gear/Grand Tour stuff now. Miss it already.
My dad (owner of an unrestored 1921 Model T Roadster - all original never restored) and three of his friends, who also owned one Model T each, made this trip in 1978. They actually drove their T's from Tucson Arizona, to Salt Lake UT, to Denver CO, up Pike's Peak, then down to Demming NM and back to Tucson AZ. It took them 14 days (2 weeks) and over 1000 miles. Glad to see you made it safe!
damn, nice the original model T's could probably outlast any of the reproductions, im in tucson rn and i think i may have seen a model T last month but memory a bit foggy lol
You might want to learn the skill of mixture and ignition timing a bit more in the mountains. I'd guess there is some more power to find that way.
Thank you for sharing this trip! The view even gets better with a classic car!
But they already seem to know about that: well done!
I don't think that you need a stopwatch, a grandfather's clock should do nicely!
A solar clock or hourglass would do
Yes, definitely a sun dial! LOL 😂. @@Wannes_
Perhaps a calendar?
Many of the problems you were having were actually common problems with Model Ts back in the day, when climbing Pike's Peak.
Fantastic achievement! I remember they tested turbocharging on airplane engines at the top from 10 Sep 1918 through 7 Oct 1918 specifically because it was the highest location they could reach for testing at altitude.
My grandfather drove his model T from Missouri to South Park in the late 1920's. Stopped somewhere in Kansas to put new bearings in the engine. Once in South Park he got a fuel tank relocation kit so the T could go up hills and not starve the engine of gas.
how did he travel to a fictional location?
@@webmonkey44 South Park, a historical name for Alamo Square Park, Colorado Springs. I assume it is this one.
@@webmonkey44South Park is a large area of Park County Colorado, towns of FairPlay and Jefferson look very similar to the area in the disgraceful fictional cartoon.
@@webmonkey44 Geographical location in Colorado. There is also a Middle Park and a North Park.
@@highwheelingdragon7136 its fine, i was memeing.
Great work getting the Model T up there. That was amazing!
And now I’m hungry for a donut.
My great uncle Jim told me that back in the day they would reverse their Model T up a steep hill. I seem to recall him saying that the gear reduction ratio in reverse was more than the first gear. Sure it would be really slow but it got to the top of the hill though he wasn't on Pikes Peak either.
I waß expecting to see them try reverse after they mentioned something about reverse in last video
I had to do this with a '65 VW Van to get up a steep Colorado pass...the added bonus was, I opened the rear hatch door which gave the 1200cc engine more cooling!
Fuel flow was an issue on steep grades as well, reversing helps with that as well
You can get a model t up to about 35 or 40 hp without modifying it very much that would make a huge difference.
Another Awesome video guys. Great job!!!
I always look forward to these Kase and Tommy classics adventures video.
Glad you like them!
42:59 I was thinking a long tow strap with the defender behind. If the brakes fade it will be held by the tow strap on the front of the defender.
For that car I recommend using something similar to Castrol Clasic it has more zinc in it but realistically you also want non detergent. Like SAE 30
Outstanding now yall gotta do this with the a and the army jeep
if you dont myself and about 349k other people are gonna pester you about it in the comments section for every video for months to come
Tommy and Kase, your classic videos are just sublime. Such a great duo, leting us follow along on their adventures. As they learn, so do we. Full speed ahead guys!! 👍👍
I'd be more concerned about the trip down with the mechanical brakes.
That's what engine braking is for. 😁
This was everything I wanted it to be and 100 percent wholesome. This definitely brought you two closer as family. And the facetiousness mixed with compliments still very strong. Loved it Roman Thank you for helping allow it. Cole we love you
Our pleasure!
I enjoyed this one very much! Next up is the Model A up Pike’s Peak? 🤔
It would be really interesting to see if it can handle it actually!
Hopefully, they do run the model A. To see how much progress and what changed from the model T.
The A will do it no problem. 2nd gear in an A will climb anything. I'd like to see that too.
You have to adjust the fuel air mixture on the carburetor and advance the timing as you go up the mountain kiddos
I remember going up to the summit before they paved Pikes Peak back in 2000. It was spring break, and it was snowing up at the top when we got there. Good memories.
This is some of the best and most fun motoring video I’ve seen in a long time, thanks.
My house is at 25 feet on the coast of Connecticut. I love this so much! My grandfather restored cars and he had a 1914 Model T (first time they had a model year, so it was manufactured in 1913), 1921 Model T fire engine, and others.
We have a ‘27 Buick and there is zero chance we would attempt to do what these two did in that T!!!! Zero Chance….. I get nervous just seeing a hill, let alone PIKES PEAK!
TFL classics by far my favorite youtube channel. Keep up the great content guys!
I drove stephensons rocket to antarctica without rail. But I guess this is *Also* good...
Gravity and a fred flintstone boulder for a break! Option 6!
Love the TFL shenanigans/ hi jinks model for video ideas!
3 buddies and I seen y’all. I had no clue it was TFL. We took our TW200’s to the top.
I’d like to see a series with a car from every decade, or maybe every other decade, up until the 70s or 80s. Kind of a deep dive into automobile evolution and also a test of how old of a vehicle can still be used in modern traffic without any hindrance.
Thanks for taking me to the top. It was a pleasure to travel with you guys!
great video. Bit of a risk using a Landrover as back up. LOL I'm expecting YOU to tow it back
I would like to compliment the absolutely fantastic videos the TFL organization puts forth. The collaboration of the two gentlemen Tommy and Mr. Van Rees are such a fantastic addition to the whole experience. The " Model T" series are just stupendous, offering the viewer a glimpse into many scenarios of " back in the day" that were quite possibly a reality for our forefathers. Thank you for the visually rewarding series. Best Regards Lord Brett Sinclair.
Wonderful video. The Model T is the last car on my bucket list. I have driven old cars before they were old and the smoke from the engine coming down the mountain was from using engine brake and the vacuum sucking the oil past the rings and valve stems. Totally normal on the old cars and that is why every few thousand miles you had to pull the head and clean all the carbon out of the combustion chambers. keep up the videos as it saves me money in buying a Model T of my own.
22:43
This is probably the most wholesome part of the video.
I remember hearing that the lowest gear in a Model T is reverse. So, guys would drive backwards to get up steep hills.
That Model T is built better than a F 150!!!
I thought motors cooled from overheating better when they’re left parked but still running, rather than shut off. That way the coolant is being circulated. But i don’t know much about the model t, or a lot in general lol
You are correct, generally anyways. The model T might not cool itself well enough at idle
They never poured water over the exterior of the radiator. Evaporative cooling would have brought it under control in minutes.
What an adventure! Something you’ll always remember, I’m sure. So cool that the Chevys made it, too.
I remember moving to colorado back in like 2006 and visiting pikes peak like 2 days later, im from california originally and I got the worst altitude sickness ever after that trip and I remember it for that specifically. I moved back to california years later.
Loved it! Haven't heard anyone say, "far out" in a long time! The climb really was far out! Thanks guys!
I love this video! I think your 1915 would have made it up without a tow; your Ruckstell is made exactly for this type of hill climbing. Also, the 1926 and 1927 cars are about 100-200 lbs heavier than the previous cars, because Ford changed the bodies from a wood framed construction to an all steel design. When accounting for the starter motor and generator, your 1927 pickup is about 350 lbs heavier than your 1915 runabout. I would recommend finding a set of Rocky Mountain Brakes for your pickup, as they employ a cable linkage that engages shoes on the outside of the brake drum when you press the brake pedal, so you don't have to worry about burning up the transmission. The Rocky Mountain Brake drum is also quite a bit larger than the stock brake drum, so they are better suited for the 1926/27 cars. For your 1915, I would recommend a set of AC Brakes; they operate with the same principle as Rocky Mountains, but on the stock brake drum, so it maintains a more original appearance. All of these accessories were available to customers in the 1910's and 1920's, so they are all totally appropriate to put on a Model T.
Do you need to tune the carburetor the higher you go? I know with other carbs you would need to adjust the mixture at extreme altitudes
Beautiful video. I didn't know that there is such a tall mountain in Colorado. Thanks for showing it. I like your humor, it's very nice. Greetings from Santa Catarina State, Southern Brazil.
They checked your a brake temperature at the right spot. If your brakes were already hot at the location of the brake check, you may have lost your brakes completely on the next section that did caused your brakes to smoke.
In the 1990's I was told they started checking brake temperature, after a heavy SUV boiled their brake fluid, lost control, and hit a tree at an estimated 80 mph.
They're not so much checking the brakes as they're checking the driver. If the driver is a flatlander who doesn't let it walk down in 1st for the hairpins between 13K and 12K ft, she might get herself into trouble later on.
great video guys. I'd love to travel the Rocky's but i live in Atlantic Canada so not much for mountains. You guys should do the same trip in the model A, I'm just curious to see the difference and I bet a lot of viewers would also like to see it.
Loved it! What a fun idea and a great car. If you want a little advice from an old car tech here, maybe take a closer look at that head gasket. It could be causing that intermittent cough, smoke, and overheat as the engine temp cycles. Either way, thanks for putting this out there!
Tommy and Case make a GREAT team.
I am wondering if you should do a total rebuild on the Model T engine? Head gasket , etc . Wondering if you can give it front brakes?
Awesome video! It would be cool to see how different going up with the model A would be.
As always great buddy road trip video that brightened my Sunday afternoon! Thanks guys.
Brilliant video. Thankyou. If all other braking systems were unserviceable, would you (as a last resort) be able to hit the reverse pedal?
Given the nature of the transmission, I would imagine that there would be no synchronisation issues with doing so... I imagine that the engine would stall pretty quickly. The engine would probably run backwards, which wouldn't hurt anything. and if you closed the throttle and turned off the ignition, it would give a decent amount of exhaust braking.
Obviously, this would be a desperation move, prior to bailing out, but it might be enough to save the day.
If you take the pick up back for her Hundredth birthday, with a Ruckstell two speed diff (and maybe some rocky mountain brakes) it is important to keep in mind that they can get stuck between ratios, leaving you with no engine or foot braking. Do not change diff ratios when your life depends on your brakes.
As you found out, the hand brake is truly an "emergency brake", meant for one time use only. I suspect the smoke coming from your T on the way down was from the transmission brake overheating...
Back in 2006 I drove up and down that road in my 2000 Saturn S-series, while towing our 2450lb pop-up camper. We also had the car completely packed, including our two children in the back seat.
That was not the steepest road we travelled on during that trip and only needed to drop down to 2nd gear when coming out of the steepest switch back turns.
We also drove on a much steeper road that went through a military base and ended up on the California coastal highway (if you know the name of that road and the military base we drove through, please post it here).
For that road we needed to drop down to 1st gear, both when driving up and to control the speed when driving down.
The S-series was completely stock, with exception to having 85% water in the coolant, MTL transmission fluid in the transaxle, a custom trailer hitch (that transferred the weight to under the back seat), a Reese mini-350 weight distributing hitch, and Shell Rotella T 15-w40 oil.
We put something like 50,000 miles towing that trailer, out of the well over 250,000 miles on the car. It was still running like a top and not burning oil when someone blew through a red light and didn't see me, writing off the car...
BTW, IMO the only safe way down a mountain in a vehicle with brakes that get hot on the second of back to back 70mph to zero stops (easy to test) is to 100% use engine braking to control speed and use the service brakes only for decelerating the vehicle for something like an intersection, stopping traffic or a steep turn.
In the Saturn I often descended with the engine screaming at almost 7000rpm in 2nd or 3rd gear. I always saved the service brakes for actually stopping.
In our travels with the trailer, we did have a couple of emergency stops while descending some of the steepest grades. We always had no problem quickly slowing down and stopping, while some other vehicles struggled to stop with their brakes smoking horribly. In one case a minivan towing a similar trailer, just overtook us and only minutes later lost control of their speed and crashed into the corner guard trail.
I have watched this twice now. I think this may be one of your best videos ever. It deserves more views though!! You should have used a better Thumbnail and Title.
I almost missed this when it came out. Should have used 'Crazy hillclimb in Model T, can it make it?! ' as title and a thumbnail with you looking scared while drivning on the cliff edge. Gotta be a bit clickbaity so people don't miss your best videos!
The content itself could not be better though!! 10/10 video! With old top gear vibes and all.
This seems slightly dangerous haha
Great video guys. I enjoyed every minute
Glad you enjoyed it
I can't not watch these. Great series, fellas!
Now that is Built Ford Tough
Love this series. I will say you guys missed an opportunity to do "old vs new" - have the chase vehicle be an electric Mustand Mach E. Still fun to watch. Hope you guys do other eras of classic cars too. Personal favorite is the 60s.
Great video. There's gotta be a way to eek out a bit more power, if other T's have done Pikes Peak before without "assistance". I do seem to recall hearing that back in the day, reversing up the steepest grades was a thing, taking advantage of lower gearing in reverse, although I don't know if that applied to Model T's specifically, or just brass-age cars in general.
Nice reporting. For me final downhills into Cascade is where the smell of hot brakes is strongest.
Amazing video. Can't wait to see what the Model T pickup does next
This will be some awesome stories to tell in 50 years!
Haha Model T torture tests, genius videos! 😂
I own a plane that is very much like a Model T with wings. Very basic. Tube and fabric construction. Has a 65HP 2 stroke parallel twin. It has altitude compensating carbs but at 14,000ft, you're barely making enough power to keep flying. Climb rate drops from about 1500fpm at standard day conditions to about 200fpm as you approach 14,000 ft. Engine power output decreases by 3% for every 1000ft above sea level, as a rough guide but air pressure is actually an exponential function, or rather air pressure has an inverse square relationship to altitude. So, at 14,000ft, you're lucky if your engine is making half the power it makes at sea level.
You can only fly for half an hour at that altitude without supplemental oxygen because you're only getting 60% of the oxygen you would get at sea level.
The Model T, having a particularly low revving, low compression motor is going to suffer far worse than a modern engine.
Pretty sure you can get 40 or 50 HP in a Model T if you use period upgrades, such as an OHC conversion.
You'd want higher compression, a water pump, pressure oiling, etc.
Loved it when the chevy club turned up!
Hahahahah😂, "at this speed we will be there today"
Really got me laughing ❤
Epic!! Bravo, applause. Cool guys with a cool car. Enjoyed the adventure a lot. Greetings from the Netherlands.
Final thought: "Amazing engineering 100 years old" was perfect! Not to hurt your feelings- I subscribe for the Model T content and you guys are just passengers. Give you credit for a brilliant idea! PP is iconic and y'all did it.
Any thought to bringing some one gallon jugs of water in the chase vehicle? to pour on the hot parts?
As you gain elavation the boiling point of water reduces which is why it boiled when it didn't feel to hot 212f or 100c at sea level and at ten thousand feet it's 194f or 90c It looked like a fun drive
To prevent overheating set your heater to hot and put the fan on high!😂
This is the kind of stuff I subscribe for. Love it!
Pretty amazing, I'll be re-watching this regularly.
Now Andre needs to do the Pike's peak towing test.
I like these types of TFL videos the best... though I DO like them ALL. 🙂
I don't often comment but this was epic!
Tommy and case in those old driving coats in a model t so so entertaining 😂
This is fun. Looks like a great day to go as fast as you can up a hill
Thanks for the ride-a-long!
More adventures and reviews like this episode please
Good morning from Cape Cod ⛵ Very impressive to see you guys drive 100 year old car up and down pikes peak 👍 I guarantee you that Defender 100 years from now won't do it 😉 this was an awesome video with some really nice scenery ✌️🇺🇲
"100 y from now, [the Defender] won't do it." That is a bold and interesting statement.
Dang, I got a little emotional at the top there. Awesome vid as always, guys! BTW, the cog railway is actually kinda boring compared to driving it.
Great episode boys!
So cute as Kase pointed out The Hills. As we were on all top of the 12 highest Mountains, in the US = All in Alaska. As we stood near the summit of #6 Blackburn. I just thought at 16,391 ft how Puny 😂 - Mr K when really u going to Spdfly? Let us know. Paragliding is such a snooze😂. Base Jump? Heck Skydiving!
Awesome job guys! Congratulations!
Thanks for watching
Well done!! I honestly thought the idea was crazy, but you proved me wrong. Or maybe I was right, but you just beat the odds. Either way, this was a really enjoyable video.
Great adventure, and beautiful day to head up there!
Yup, they don't make them like they used to lol
Having finally tried this in Gran Turismo 4 spec 2 recently, 1st gear covers more speed than 2nd gear does if the game is correct. A more aggressive 1st gear would help a lot when you really start to lose power at these altitudes. Imagine one of these trucks with the really shallow gearing of a k car 5 speed gearbox lol that might actually make this moderately more usable
You crazy kids!! Great job with the car. Makes you appreciate what driver's had to go through in the early days. I enjoy all of your channels but especially your classics. I even got the wife to watch TFL classics with me.
Absolutely AWESOME!
You made it 100%. Congratulations
Yes! Thank you!
Touge mountain drift!
Initial T!
I wish I had a pair of Wilson safety goggles to post to you gentleman. You would look more Henry Ford than Dr. Emmet Brown from “Back to the Future “.
Love the anachronism anyway!
There was a steep hill near my grandfather’s house. He would have to drive his model T up the hill backwards, to keep the gas tank higher than the carb.
Remember back a hundred years the roads was not sealed and just a goat track.
Even in a modern vehicle, the trip down is more challenging than the trip up!
Not sure why. Select first gear and put it into the wind.
I'm with you. It takes more attention, and you can't shut off gravity. Many drivers don't manage it correctly.
Snow obstacles notwithstanding, I would be very interested to see this test done in the dead cold of winter. See how much better (or worse) the car does with the denser air, and the greater resistance to overheating.
Very glad you weren't Found On Road Dead, but you do have to Fix Or Repair Daily.
You need a barometric compensator, at that altitude, it'll compress the air to slightly over atmospheric at sea level, so you can climb it better. You'll love it
Next time, a beetle vs a 2cv up Pikes Peak!
Ballsy and fun! Great video guys!