The old PET keg was very fragile. I remember when I ordered one it didn't even survive shipping. I received it damaged and cut open. I hop this new keg is made from more regid material. Thanks for the great products you guys come up with, you definitely have great R&D team
I would love to see a 8 to 10L version in a form factor more suited to regular EU fridges. Larger diameter but lower height would be welcomed by the apartment brewers among us. Your innovative drive is awesome, well done guys.
These look amazing. I really like the idea of using the handle as a wrench. I definitely love to try a few out and Lulu of stainless steel kegs. Nice video 🍻
Thanks Bradley. We will get these over to America soon. I hope this type of product gets more customers into home brew kegging who may have previously found the cost prohibitive.
I do use the 8 liter ones for fermentation, simply because I love to do small batches side by side. Pain in the ass to clean though. Smaller Fermzillas would be much appreciated....
Yes, especially if you can fit two side by side (same height as the 35L), or maybe on top of each other, to fit more fermenters into the fermentation fridge at the same time!
I think their are 2 great non conventional uses for these 20L kegs that immediately came to my mind. For using as a bright tank to carbonate and clear beer between the fermenter and the final SS keg or bottles/cans. Especially with hoppy beers that need a bit more time for hop particulates to drop out. And secondly as a long term storage kegs for beers you want to age like stouts etc. A little bit of oxygen ingress over time for these beers is advantageous and this allows that storage without having to bottle, well done KL!
These are finally available in Norway, so I've ordered one as soon as I saw it. I also have two eight litre ones and one four litre keg, so I'm good for a couple of batches.
@@martinu2725 We have been struggling to keep up with production for just Australia up until now but we are substantially increasing the manufacturing speed so by Feb next year we will start to dispatch stock to many other countries like UK, and US and other parts of Europe too.
Was considering switching to kegland system but was thinking about using multiple 2 gallon kegs and multiple taping heads. Now you come out with a 5 gallon. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY.
You guys rock, if only you were more widely available, I would definitely empty your stocks if you were having an international resaler from your website
I purchased two of the 8 litre PET bottles well over a year ago. Initially I thought what a great idea, however in reality I have found them to be far less than perfect. 1) They are so light that even when trying to fill they want to fall over. 2) The pressure relief valves on both release at 28psi making it difficult to force carbonate. 3) If you run your fridge very low their contents will freeze. 4) With such a small opening they don't fit my keg washer spear and are a pain to clean thoroughly. So for my money save a little longer and purchase the stainless steel kegs.
Yes that is a fair point. I think they work great but as you say it's nicer to use 19L stainless corny kegs if you have the cash. These 20L ones really sit in between the two products. They have a plastic chime and more heavy duty handle and also a wider base so they do not tip over as easily as the top heavy 8L kegs and they are quite a bit heavier too so when they are empty they still have some weight to them. Also all the 20L ones are rated to slightly higher pressure so we use the green PRV so that might also solve your problem too. With that said we do make high quality stainless corny kegs too which are also very popular too.
Glad they have a bigger handle as I left that part out of my initial response. When the 8 litre bottles are full and you pick them up by the handle your fingers are crushed between the handle and the top of the bottle, making it impossible to lift that way. So if nothing else, the handle needs to be lengthened substantially. (overall I love your gear and the fact that you are constantly coming up with new "stuff").
they're like $10 . all of your issues are due to expecting too much from what it really is. it's meant to be a cheap way to transport finished beer without lugging a heavy ss keg.
Just wonder how oxygen from air could pass through PET's walls when we ahave greater co2 pressure inside the keg already? What I'm missing? Serious i understand this can happen in fermenter whithout pressure after a whille. Love Your Products and i'm a Brewzilla and All Rouder really happy user.
Gas laws of physics- the behaviour of oxygen is not affected by the CO2, just the pressure generated by it, so it will equalise with the air if the barrier is permeable 🕵️
@@vogs72 Yes that is absolutely correct. I think a lot of customers struggle with this concept and think "because it's under pressure the oxygen can't get in" but this is incorrect.
Very nice. If they 25L and the opening were large enough to get in to clean, they might be the perfect unitank. What is the diameter in inches? You show three can fit in the X Series (I have the Komos version) but I wouldn't be surprised if 4 could fit.
@@KegLand I bet a 4th could fit. I currently have 3 ball lock cornys and a 4th 2.5 gallon Torpedo keg. It overhangs the floor just a bit but the door still closes all the way. The Torpedoes are wider than my standard ball lock cornys (about 9.5" I think).
I have the 8L, really its too thin and 2 of 4 leaks! I think the priority should be the smaller odd sizes like the 5 or 10 Gal batches. As most that goes for 2f0L will easily justify the metal keg anyways.
@@KegLand tell me about it haha, I've been trying to get my hands on those 4L bad boys since they were announced, they seem to be rarer than a vegan cyclist who doesn't immediately tell you they are a vegan cyclist
I’m looking for a ball lock with an airlock on top. I want to switch from non pressure fermentation to pressure transfer without letting in air. Can’t find this device. I think it would do the trick.
Will these tops fit/interchange with the 8lt oxebar kegs ?. Would it be possible to update website with opening size of 8lt & these 20lt kegs, under their respective description areas.
I was about to ask the same question, but now realising that it has a floating dip tube, I would say not, as the pc038 tapping heads and thread size couldn't fit a floating dip tube from the 4L and 8L oxebar kegs.
The 4L and 8L kegs are made with the smaller PCO38 neck. The 20L kegs are made with a larger neck that can fit the stainless ball float. Where possible we try and use the industry standard threads. For the PCO38 the specification on this thread is documented here : www.isbt.com/assets/Threadspecs/1165371-1_SHT1.pdf For the 20L keg there is no standards for threads of this size so we have had to make a proprietary design which has an opening of about 45mm. I just uploaded this photo specifically for you so you can see the opening: www.kegland.com.au/cdn/shop/files/PXL_20231122_225741177.jpg
@@KegLand fantastic explanation -many thanks -----as a future suggestion , would be wonderful if 4 & 8 lt went to opening with same , more substantial lid system as the 20lt.--have struggled getting people to use 8lt due to specialized /figity dip tube system.
Has anyone had any problems with dispensing throughput on these 5 gallon kegs? It seems super choked for some reason; I only seem to get a trickle out of it when dispensing
Yes we can certainly do that. For us to make a foot for the 8L and 4L Oxebar kegs it would cost about $3.50 or something like that so it would not increase the cost much. Do you think that would be worthwhile?
@KegLand yes it would be, particularly with the 8L it is easy to damage the base when they are full. If you didn't want to make them standard you could always sell them separately.
@@KegLand Absolutely, It would increase the stability greatly when the volume is lower and when you have a hose attached. If you didn't want to make them standard you could always sell them separately.
I have just uploaded this photo for you so you can see how the handle comes apart: www.kegland.com.au/cdn/shop/files/PXL_20231122_225854758.jpg As you can see the handle and the tapping head clip together and as a result they can be taken apart so you can remove the handle completely if you wanted to. This would reduce the height slightly as you have requested.
@@KegLand I wish I have more patient LOL but this new 20L Oxebar keg definitely on my list now. As in tight space I could esasliy maneuver around without the handle. I was fighting myself so hard for either 3 Oxebar 8L kegs or just 1 19L new ball lock keg. Also will it fit Jetkeg? If the keg and the handle both fit in Jetkeg that will be fantastic! I bought both Jetkeg and 19L new ball lock keg few weeks ago but if it fit, my go to combo will be Jetkeg + Oxebar 20L.
We did try to make them exactly the same dimensions as the 19L kegs but it's not really possible at this stage. PET requires a certain stretch ratio and to ensure we can meet the radial hoop stress requirements we are unable to make them smaller diameter without substantially decreasing the pressure rating. This is ultimately the issue with getting even smaller diameter.
@@KegLand thanks for getting back to me. That makes sense. So will they bulge out beyond the diameter in the specs? I'm a bit tight for space in the keezer but really want another couple of kegs for conditioning.
I recently upgraded my kegerator to the Series X so I could serve from four kegs as opposed to the old kegerator which only took three. So I’m sticking with the corny kegs until the PET ones are manufactured to the same specifications. But good idea
Looks like a giant pill bottle. Ugly. I don't want to serve my beer from one of those. Are they reusable and, if so, how often do they need replacing, for safety reasons? I think if I were currently going through the pros and cons for kegging I'd go for stainless instead. Although I see valuable uses for reusable plastic products, there's far too much plastic waste these days. Offloading costs of plastics to the environment clearly isn't working. Just because Coca-Cola do it doesn't make it legitimate. We need a plastic tax to fund responsible disposal at the end of a product's life. That should help to direct business decisions in the right direction.
Just clean it and it is reusable. If you do not rape it, it should stay well intact for years. If coca cola does it is a pretty great legitimation. They have the resources to go for the best solution for their products despite them being shitty. Even shitty persons and companies can have great ideas you can copy
PET lasts a very long time. You can use these indefinitely. Degradation over time will be dependent on these three main factors: 1. Sunlight. If you keep them out of UV rays that will definitely make the plastics last much longer. Generally speaking there is not a reason to sit your keg in the sun and even though we have a brown tint as a light barrier it's still a good idea to keep them out of the sun. 2. Go easy with the PBW. We recommend exposure time to PWB and similar cleaners to 20min max. If you soak in PBW too long then the sodium metasilicate in this product eventually degrades the plastic. 3. Physical abuse. these kegs have been made with the handles and base that protects the keg. With that said if you continue to scratch or drop the keg on hard surfaces this will eventually damage the product. If you abide by these three rules then you can easily get more than 10 years from a keg like this. As a manufacturer I think we also need to take more responsibility and we should start accepting the old kegs back from customers so we can ensure they are recycled properly and completely. At the moment we are paying a high price for PET and we would really love to get the old PET kegs from you guys so we can re-grind them and make them into new kegs. So I think we also need to work on a better reverse supply chain to to not only get the kegs to customer but get the old kegs back to us.
@@KegLand Yes, I've got some PET Better Bottle FVs that are >10 years old and they're fine, but they have been carefully looked after. Important to mix and dissolve PBW in a jug before it makes contact with the PET. Otherwise stress fractures become a risk. I was thinking more about the safety of them being pressure-rated vessels, tbh. Like your PET FVs need to be replaced after a few years or so. Yes, definitely an opportunity for a circular economy for products like this, but I suspect petroleum interests will fall out of their pram with their heroin dealer-like ethics pushing compulsive greed at any cost.
The old PET keg was very fragile.
I remember when I ordered one it didn't even survive shipping. I received it damaged and cut open.
I hop this new keg is made from more regid material.
Thanks for the great products you guys come up with, you definitely have great R&D team
I would love to see a 8 to 10L version in a form factor more suited to regular EU fridges. Larger diameter but lower height would be welcomed by the apartment brewers among us. Your innovative drive is awesome, well done guys.
These look amazing. I really like the idea of using the handle as a wrench. I definitely love to try a few out and Lulu of stainless steel kegs. Nice video 🍻
Thanks Bradley. We will get these over to America soon. I hope this type of product gets more customers into home brew kegging who may have previously found the cost prohibitive.
@@KegLand I think it will but there's only one way to find out 🫣
@@PortlyGentleman I look forward to your review.
I do use the 8 liter ones for fermentation, simply because I love to do small batches side by side. Pain in the ass to clean though. Smaller Fermzillas would be much appreciated....
I think it's time we looked at a small 15L Fermzilla for doing half sized 10L batches. Do you think that would be what you are after?
@KegLand 15L seems perfect
@@KegLandSounds perfect 🤩
@@KegLand adding an extra upvote, 15L fermented would rock as I transfer and serve to 9.45L kegs or 8L oxebars. A 15L conical would be an instabuy.
Yes, especially if you can fit two side by side (same height as the 35L), or maybe on top of each other, to fit more fermenters into the fermentation fridge at the same time!
I think their are 2 great non conventional uses for these 20L kegs that immediately came to my mind. For using as a bright tank to carbonate and clear beer between the fermenter and the final SS keg or bottles/cans. Especially with hoppy beers that need a bit more time for hop particulates to drop out. And secondly as a long term storage kegs for beers you want to age like stouts etc. A little bit of oxygen ingress over time for these beers is advantageous and this allows that storage without having to bottle, well done KL!
For sure!
You guys are changing the game.
Thanks Boscodooley. We really appreciate it. We do what we can!
Agreed
Love the 8L bottles. Would love some bottom to add to them.
Can’t wait to see these in the USA
Yes early next year you should see them in USA.
Is there a current US distributor?
@@Breakcontact2 Morebeer sells them.
In Brazil you can find a very similar solution in Bahia Malte Brewshop.
Please send them to EU!! I'd love a couple of these, but shipping from China is not viable. Thanks for the great products!
These are finally available in Norway, so I've ordered one as soon as I saw it. I also have two eight litre ones and one four litre keg, so I'm good for a couple of batches.
Nice one!
When can we expect to see these in Europe? This looks like a great solution for bringing beer to parties!! I’ll be buying a number of these!
I think they will probably get to Europe in about Feb next year.
@@KegLand When can we order the Brewbuilt X3 Unitank in Europe.
Where can we order it from?
When will the 4L & the 20L versions be availabel in the EU?
We are going to start dispatching stock to EU in about Feb next year.
These look amazing. Wish I could find the 4L version here in the US.
Same here in the UK, at least the 8l are now in stock regularly now, not disappearing as soon as they arrive
@@martinu2725 We have been struggling to keep up with production for just Australia up until now but we are substantially increasing the manufacturing speed so by Feb next year we will start to dispatch stock to many other countries like UK, and US and other parts of Europe too.
@@KegLand many thanks looking forward to seeing them in our stockists here.
Was considering switching to kegland system but was thinking about using multiple 2 gallon kegs and multiple taping heads. Now you come out with a 5 gallon. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY.
Thanks for your support Will. We could not keep innovating this new gear without you!
You guys rock, if only you were more widely available, I would definitely empty your stocks if you were having an international resaler from your website
Yes we are ramping up production now so you can expect to see these overseas very soon. Where abouts are you based?
@@KegLandany idea when US distributor will have it? My store stocks the 8L and I can't wait for more sizes. Neither can my customers! Lol
I purchased two of the 8 litre PET bottles well over a year ago. Initially I thought what a great idea, however in reality I have found them to be far less than perfect. 1) They are so light that even when trying to fill they want to fall over. 2) The pressure relief valves on both release at 28psi making it difficult to force carbonate. 3) If you run your fridge very low their contents will freeze. 4) With such a small opening they don't fit my keg washer spear and are a pain to clean thoroughly. So for my money save a little longer and purchase the stainless steel kegs.
Yes that is a fair point. I think they work great but as you say it's nicer to use 19L stainless corny kegs if you have the cash.
These 20L ones really sit in between the two products. They have a plastic chime and more heavy duty handle and also a wider base so they do not tip over as easily as the top heavy 8L kegs and they are quite a bit heavier too so when they are empty they still have some weight to them. Also all the 20L ones are rated to slightly higher pressure so we use the green PRV so that might also solve your problem too. With that said we do make high quality stainless corny kegs too which are also very popular too.
Glad they have a bigger handle as I left that part out of my initial response. When the 8 litre bottles are full and you pick them up by the handle your fingers are crushed between the handle and the top of the bottle, making it impossible to lift that way. So if nothing else, the handle needs to be lengthened substantially. (overall I love your gear and the fact that you are constantly coming up with new "stuff").
they're like $10 . all of your issues are due to expecting too much from what it really is. it's meant to be a cheap way to transport finished beer without lugging a heavy ss keg.
Just wonder how oxygen from air could pass through PET's walls when we ahave greater co2 pressure inside the keg already? What I'm missing? Serious i understand this can happen in fermenter whithout pressure after a whille. Love Your Products and i'm a Brewzilla and All Rouder really happy user.
Gas laws of physics- the behaviour of oxygen is not affected by the CO2, just the pressure generated by it, so it will equalise with the air if the barrier is permeable 🕵️
@@vogs72 Yes that is absolutely correct. I think a lot of customers struggle with this concept and think "because it's under pressure the oxygen can't get in" but this is incorrect.
Is there a way to have this product in Italy?
Very nice. If they 25L and the opening were large enough to get in to clean, they might be the perfect unitank.
What is the diameter in inches? You show three can fit in the X Series (I have the Komos version) but I wouldn't be surprised if 4 could fit.
Yes it can fit three in the series X/Kumos model. The diameter at the widest point is about 9.25inches
@@KegLand I bet a 4th could fit. I currently have 3 ball lock cornys and a 4th 2.5 gallon Torpedo keg. It overhangs the floor just a bit but the door still closes all the way. The Torpedoes are wider than my standard ball lock cornys (about 9.5" I think).
I have the 8L, really its too thin and 2 of 4 leaks! I think the priority should be the smaller odd sizes like the 5 or 10 Gal batches. As most that goes for 2f0L will easily justify the metal keg anyways.
Nice! hoping you guys are getting a butt load of these in, they seem like a great idea in all sizes
Yes we have been selling out of the smaller sizes so if they are anything to go by I am sure we will also sell quite a few of these 20L ones too.
@@KegLand tell me about it haha, I've been trying to get my hands on those 4L bad boys since they were announced, they seem to be rarer than a vegan cyclist who doesn't immediately tell you they are a vegan cyclist
I’m looking for a ball lock with an airlock on top. I want to switch from non pressure fermentation to pressure transfer without
letting in air. Can’t find this device. I think it would do the trick.
By the sounds of what you are saying you do not want an airlock but rather a spunding valve. Have you looked at the Blowtie Spunding valve?
need 10! Ty
We will do what we can to get more stock in ASAP!
Will these tops fit/interchange with the 8lt oxebar kegs ?. Would it be possible to update website with opening size of 8lt & these 20lt kegs, under their respective description areas.
I was about to ask the same question, but now realising that it has a floating dip tube, I would say not, as the pc038 tapping heads and thread size couldn't fit a floating dip tube from the 4L and 8L oxebar kegs.
The 4L and 8L kegs are made with the smaller PCO38 neck. The 20L kegs are made with a larger neck that can fit the stainless ball float.
Where possible we try and use the industry standard threads. For the PCO38 the specification on this thread is documented here :
www.isbt.com/assets/Threadspecs/1165371-1_SHT1.pdf
For the 20L keg there is no standards for threads of this size so we have had to make a proprietary design which has an opening of about 45mm. I just uploaded this photo specifically for you so you can see the opening:
www.kegland.com.au/cdn/shop/files/PXL_20231122_225741177.jpg
@@KegLand fantastic explanation -many thanks -----as a future suggestion , would be wonderful if 4 & 8 lt went to opening with same , more substantial lid system as the 20lt.--have struggled getting people to use 8lt due to specialized /figity dip tube system.
Just ordered 2! So how long can you have a brew in them for or is there no time limit?
This largely depends on good fermentation and transfer practice, to be honest.
How would I get the 4l keg in Europe? Do you have retailers there with orders? They seem great for parties
We have the 4L kegs getting dispatched to Europe early next year. Sorry about the long wait!
Would be great if you could get a Parka for the 8L, then I could easily just disconnect and take to the next BBQ :)
Yes we are designing a new one now!
What thread size and type is the tapping head and opening, please?
The opening at the top is about 45mm
Has anyone had any problems with dispensing throughput on these 5 gallon kegs? It seems super choked for some reason; I only seem to get a trickle out of it when dispensing
Prostrate problems. Seriously though, not an issue we are aware of. Check the posts for blockages
What pressure are these rated to? Can you force carbonate the beer in them?
Around 45psi, so no issues with force carbing!
I see you have a foot on this key. Any plans for a base for the two small kegs as these a quite unstable when the volume is low.
Yes we can certainly do that. For us to make a foot for the 8L and 4L Oxebar kegs it would cost about $3.50 or something like that so it would not increase the cost much. Do you think that would be worthwhile?
@KegLand yes it would be, particularly with the 8L it is easy to damage the base when they are full. If you didn't want to make them standard you could always sell them separately.
@@KegLand Absolutely, It would increase the stability greatly when the volume is lower and when you have a hose attached. If you didn't want to make them standard you could always sell them separately.
Ok we will look into making a bottom chime in that case.@@grolandsbryggarn
I'd be up for buying the smaller units also if they had a base.
Wonderful! No offense, but I just wish the handle can be remove when needed since it will save some space in the fridge.
I have just uploaded this photo for you so you can see how the handle comes apart:
www.kegland.com.au/cdn/shop/files/PXL_20231122_225854758.jpg
As you can see the handle and the tapping head clip together and as a result they can be taken apart so you can remove the handle completely if you wanted to. This would reduce the height slightly as you have requested.
@@KegLand I wish I have more patient LOL but this new 20L Oxebar keg definitely on my list now. As in tight space I could esasliy maneuver around without the handle. I was fighting myself so hard for either 3 Oxebar 8L kegs or just 1 19L new ball lock keg. Also will it fit Jetkeg? If the keg and the handle both fit in Jetkeg that will be fantastic! I bought both Jetkeg and 19L new ball lock keg few weeks ago but if it fit, my go to combo will be Jetkeg + Oxebar 20L.
Really cool but I wish you made them taller and kept them at the same diameter as your 19l kegs.
We did try to make them exactly the same dimensions as the 19L kegs but it's not really possible at this stage. PET requires a certain stretch ratio and to ensure we can meet the radial hoop stress requirements we are unable to make them smaller diameter without substantially decreasing the pressure rating. This is ultimately the issue with getting even smaller diameter.
@@KegLand thanks for getting back to me. That makes sense. So will they bulge out beyond the diameter in the specs? I'm a bit tight for space in the keezer but really want another couple of kegs for conditioning.
I recently upgraded my kegerator to the Series X so I could serve from four kegs as opposed to the old kegerator which only took three. So I’m sticking with the corny kegs until the PET ones are manufactured to the same specifications. But good idea
Where is the best place to order from Belgium?
It's best to have a look at this distributor map here:
www.kegland.com.au/distributor
Been waiting for these. Anyone distributing in New Zealand?
Check with local suppliers, sorry.
when will the Oxebar kegs be back in stock
These 20L ones will be arriving end of December. We tried to get a them before Christmas but just missed out unfortunately.
Looks like a giant pill bottle. Ugly. I don't want to serve my beer from one of those. Are they reusable and, if so, how often do they need replacing, for safety reasons? I think if I were currently going through the pros and cons for kegging I'd go for stainless instead. Although I see valuable uses for reusable plastic products, there's far too much plastic waste these days. Offloading costs of plastics to the environment clearly isn't working. Just because Coca-Cola do it doesn't make it legitimate. We need a plastic tax to fund responsible disposal at the end of a product's life. That should help to direct business decisions in the right direction.
Just clean it and it is reusable. If you do not rape it, it should stay well intact for years.
If coca cola does it is a pretty great legitimation. They have the resources to go for the best solution for their products despite them being shitty. Even shitty persons and companies can have great ideas you can copy
PET lasts a very long time. You can use these indefinitely. Degradation over time will be dependent on these three main factors:
1. Sunlight. If you keep them out of UV rays that will definitely make the plastics last much longer. Generally speaking there is not a reason to sit your keg in the sun and even though we have a brown tint as a light barrier it's still a good idea to keep them out of the sun.
2. Go easy with the PBW. We recommend exposure time to PWB and similar cleaners to 20min max. If you soak in PBW too long then the sodium metasilicate in this product eventually degrades the plastic.
3. Physical abuse. these kegs have been made with the handles and base that protects the keg. With that said if you continue to scratch or drop the keg on hard surfaces this will eventually damage the product.
If you abide by these three rules then you can easily get more than 10 years from a keg like this. As a manufacturer I think we also need to take more responsibility and we should start accepting the old kegs back from customers so we can ensure they are recycled properly and completely. At the moment we are paying a high price for PET and we would really love to get the old PET kegs from you guys so we can re-grind them and make them into new kegs. So I think we also need to work on a better reverse supply chain to to not only get the kegs to customer but get the old kegs back to us.
@@KegLand Yes, I've got some PET Better Bottle FVs that are >10 years old and they're fine, but they have been carefully looked after. Important to mix and dissolve PBW in a jug before it makes contact with the PET. Otherwise stress fractures become a risk. I was thinking more about the safety of them being pressure-rated vessels, tbh. Like your PET FVs need to be replaced after a few years or so.
Yes, definitely an opportunity for a circular economy for products like this, but I suspect petroleum interests will fall out of their pram with their heroin dealer-like ethics pushing compulsive greed at any cost.