No doubt, Cover the Big Corporation has to act differently from Cover the Small Startup. Yagoo can't afford to only hire people he trusts directly, so more rules are necessary.
Given how big hololive is now, I would still say they are really relax. But obviously too much unhinged would chase sponsor away. At the end of the day, they are still a business and need money to survive. Pretty much I think they are at the right level.
Exactly. At the end of the day, cover and hololive are a brand and they want to put out a certain image and dependability. They're not like e.g. Vshojo which is just an agency. People that say cover should just let the talents do whatever they want, don't understand the difference between the two styles of business. And yes even by those standards, cover is still relatively relaxed.
@@franks777_KFP Yup, while Vshojo offers management and connections to their Talents, Cover is the one handing out work for their Talents. Cover is mostly top down, Vshojo is bottom up. Both have pros and cons obviously, but I feel like Cover is very free for their talents, especially the EN side. The JP side is more locked down, but it's also where most of their money is coming from.
Good thing is that Hololive got a lot of sponsorships lately, it is good for the company because sponsorship gives them 'guaranteed' income as there are contracts involved, it can easily booked in company earnings and give assurance to the stakeholder, they are after all a public company now. Cover stock still looks good, not as strong as 5 months ago that reach doubles their IPO at 3000 Yen, but still a healthy number.
@@EnhancedLoneWolf you mean romantic relationships with managers or employees? That's never been allowed, and especially so after Hitomi Chris. Between talents, or in private, they're free to do whatever, but they need to keep it quiet. Just look at what Suisei went through recently.
I am just happy Yagoo is at the helm of the company and not just at the mercy of the stockholders. I am always praying for the wellbeing of Yagoo because I just can't see a future without the man.
I can trust yagoo, because he at one point is just like us the otaku with a dream and now he achieve it with us, i hope cover always care about they talent and audience 👍
Mio-mama is always good at explaining things around the company and insights on how things work in calm/composed manner. She is such a nicer person. :)
You can see how they've changed and learned to better control factors they didn't consider, how to deal with drama, and have rules in place to protect members and fans. Rules are important, especially as they grow and in order to have a stress-free environment. From who they recruit to how they've come now, I definitely will always stick with Holo over any other.
@@akira8393Well they're not really an Agency more like a mediator of talents VShojo is more umbrella group and ironically they're probably the best at doing now post Vale,Nyan and Vei leaving
true. however, i dont know really calling it the best. at least so far i dont really see vshojo doing anything much besides different people there.@@lionelk.y7233
I don't think that making up rumours is really necessary, since we all know that Sakura Miko has tried multiple times to overthrow the Portuguese president Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, and install herself as the "first waifu of the people"!
I see Hololive and Cover corp have 3 phases. Phase 1 is the beginning days, when members back then were really unhinged. Then phase 2 is when the copyright massacre dropped on them and the Taiwan drama, resulting in a really restrictive environment. Back then many personal projects were rejected and they got into so many dramas (Miko and Marine at one point were almost cancelled). And finally phase 3 after Coco left, which is when they started to form the "talent first" policy. The "unhinge-ness" was not comparable to pre-2020 era, but it sure felt more relaxed than before Coco's departure Too restrictive will result in a lot of graduations due to either burnout or creativity difference. But too relaxed will result in unwanted dramas. So these 2 must be balanced, and so far this year Cover did balance it quite well
@@almatuska9183 I'm actually not sure how much Rushia leaving changed things actually. In fact it was most surprising just how little Hololive marked the event, the talents were generally pretty quiet about it and even the fandom stopped talking about it pretty quickly. Sana and Aloe leaving probably had a greater long term effect.
I got to rabbit hole in January 2021 (Coco was still there). I know some dramas with Towa, Aloe, Coco, but what happened to Marine and Miko? Why were they almost cancelled?
Back in the day people would endlessly argue about Hololive vs Nijisanji and how Hololive was too strict and Nijisanji was so great because it's not. Jump to the present; Nijisanji can't stay out of drama news for a single week and I never see anyone argue about it anymore.
Well...as far as I know, Niji Problems have been more on the company management side of things. Yes there has been drama outside of it, but mostly what I see, its about talents leaving in masses (well know Niji talents especially), them talking about the situation inside the company and how Niji just reduces the support/groups even further. Oh and also that they still debut new gens, even tough they can't manage the existing ones.
And don't forget the Zaion case for a 3 month newbie talents that disobey company's rules, 1 month punishment stop streaming and she's still not following
To be fair for the Nijisanji vtubers, the more recent vtuber drama has more to do with management screwing up and/or giving little to no support, rather than the vtubers violating company rules
What's the use of freedom when everything around you is in flames lol. Good balance of rules and creative freedom prevents dramas and unnecessary escalations while ensuring people still get the entertainment they are looking for.
I remember this is why you never want to go to any place that advertises "no moderation!" or "no rules!" You open the door for the worst of us to come and make it uninhabitable.
As long as they don't let people with control issues into the higher management, Hololive should be fine. Remember, one -Kathleen Kennedy- woman could topple a legendary titanic company and completely change the image of that company from wholesome to worrisome.
i have always felt that cover has found a pretty nice balance The rules and restrictions seem to be mostly fair while also giving the talents enough freedom that they don't feel constricted Really i do think it is the best way for talent to grow. They have freedom to try new things but they don't have unlimited freedom to walk themselves into a wall. There is a safety net there to make sure they don't go to far. Especially with the 3D lives because talents like Astel and Aki would BANKRUPT THEM O_O
tbf the dude is stacked even outside of his vtuber revenue. He'll still have enough cash to live through cup ramen after shouldering the overbudget expense of his 3D lives haha @@lucatielofmirrah-1853
She just precisely said what makes hololive different to others. Hololive made me realize not all restriction is a bad thing. Sometimes you need restriction to keep the quality. One or the major things why hololive have such a good branding. Like hololive is not only great because they have great talents but hololive as a whole is great. Really makes me proud as someone who's been following for nearly 5years already to see them grow so much.
I think as a Vtuber company, this is correct action. Giving conditional freedom to talent to keep them at bay and restrict some actions that could be detrimental to the company ends up maintaining them this long. They follow a different path from Nijisanji by slowly developed their talent which results in high quality talent. I think there's more to it. Maybe someone can fill in the blank what I missed.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Nijisanji in general seems to take a slightly more Apple-esque approach to their talents, where the company's profits are more kept up with release hype windfalls than the more steady gains from long-term development. At least that's what I think they're _trying_ to do.
@@G-Cole-01 It is failing for Nijisanji... And anyone can see that clearly. Hololive has a better approach with long term growth. Vshojo is more like UTA that Ironmouse partnered with. Not really a full agency.
There is such a thing as being too strict though. Nobody wants to see Hololive turn into a soulless corporation that just drains the happiness out of its talents like most talent agencies (whether they be actors, musicians, etc).
"Rules is needed" this, for people "Hololive are the Agency vtubers lack freedom!! too many rules!! so strict!!", Mio already spoke, for the talents and staffs not become barbarian and creating drama to no end, Rules are needed. look at other agency that people says "this agency has more freedom than other one" in the past, it become 'survival at the fittest' for the talents ~ anything that too much never gonna be good, 'freedom' are not exception.
Well there's been issues in the past and Cover has been expanding so it's expected. Cover has been doing quite well though compared to many other companies.
Everyone in Hololive seems to love their work, the company and the founder. I've been in the corporate world a long time and have never seen a better company by that metric.
Of course they become more strict. From what all I've seen in regards to the corporate management's responses, they really do truly care for the safety of their Idols and don't want to allow any further risk to endanger them.
Like uncle ben said : "with great power come great responsibility." With their ever increasing fame and influence, each holomem hold a much bigger responsibility towards their company, their fanbase, their fellow members, and especially towards themselves. Same thing apply for yagoo and all the staff members withing the company. It is the determined path that must be walked on your way to greatness
strict on the right place i think, because theres so many great collab and events that hololive join like vcr servers, botan and korone sf6 cr cup and many more also recently ojou and laplus + vspo girls valorant collab is a blessing
It's still a first generation company. Much like Valve, the man in love with the idea is still spearheading things. Even with new restrictions, amI can't see the company turning evil in the near future.
It is better to have strict management but provide full support to their talents than Having a messy management that disbanded branches and stoping to give them support so they inevitably choose to graduate one by one
For some people it may come easier to criticize the restrictions and ignore the positives of restricting stuff because they forget about the 2020s for Cover and Hololive. I really believe Cover found a good balance with the rules. Just compare it to Nijisanji, they lose their talents and non-ending dramas all the time. Compared to before, they do not lose talents, no dramas and they get so many promotional job from outside that they basically do not have free time. Before they had to ask the Game companies before playing their game. Now, game companies ask them to play their game on stream for promotion, that's really something.
We can't look only at the talents and the management. The bigger the fanbase and the more popular hololive becomes, the more it opens to anti-[insert ideology]s sneaking in and trying to destroy everything.
Honestly They are a big company now and are one of the leading agencies out there and should act like it Most especially they have to learn where others failed like a certain black company with their 2 percent revenue split to the talents...
Can we just give credit where it's due and just appreciate how mature Ookami Mio is? Not only is she being professional here, but also profound. She's certainly underrated as an agency vtuber.
looking comment about Niji vs Holo makes me laugh😂.. Well right now Cover become quite huge, so they need better rules. After all, most of companies do that as they grow
I miss Azur Lane collab.. but, Azur Lane make a Takodachi, and Pekora because they can't collab with Hololive anymore.. i miss those day.. and Miss Fubuki Arknight Live Stream
Management changes including policy, guidelines etc.etc is another thing. Making sure they hire the potential talents with less baggage in the long run is waaaay harder than hiring behind the screen management troops. all that efforts will come to waste when they put to debut peoples that comes in for the hype train and clouts and inviting more troubles.
It's a difficult decision though, because some of their best talents came in with baggage. Korone has talked about being widely hated in the streamer community at one point, and Pekora wasn't universally liked either. Hell even Gura has quite the checkered past. It's easy to say 'told you so' when a brittle talent remains brittle, but that's ignoring all the times a second chance has turned out golden for them.
@@frozenthrill9674 It is utterly ridiculous, because honestly Shiori is kinda incredibly inoffensive? Literally every single member of Myth had a more controversial past than Shiori, Shiori was just a quiet nerd who liked otome games and 'edgy' RPG maker stuff. Even now she's kind of a goofy sweetheart, despite people telling me she's 'dangerous' somehow. What, because she has black eyeliner?
"After all it's not something that we can decide" is so true, and also applies to the fans. I am myself not happy with some of the decisions made over the past couple years, but all you can do in such a case is take it as it is and move on, and if you really feel like you can't continue supporting the company/talents for whatever reason, that's also fine; you shouldn't feel forced to support anyone, same with any company or indies. (Just keep it civil, or even better keep it to yourself). Overall, the choices they've made have yielded very positive results, I'm really proud of their growth and I'm happy to still be here for the ride!
No, to be honest, the fans have FAR more say than the talents in situations like this. If Cover makes rule changes or changes on content and views start going down, then they may realize they need to consider rolling back some of these changes. Obviously some individual idiot screaming on the internet will have no impact, but many people closing their wallets would have an impact. With that being said, there's no real evidence yet that any individual rule changes have caused interest in Hololive to decline.
@@CaptainOverkill Given Nijisanji EN who F up every step the company branch took. At least Hololive isn't doing that level of incompetence/mismanagement.
@@CaptainOverkill Oh, definitely, I agree on the collective power of the fans' wallets. On a personal level, I did lose interest in Hololive for a little while but I'm glad I chose to come back.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 and how many drama this small sized and relatively new agency got? Like I said, you may not like it but too much freedom kills freedom.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Completely glossing over the drama with Nux, and the exit of two of Vshojo's biggest earners... Be fair man, no company is without their flaws
@@overlordshiina You amuse me... Given CdawgVA and Asmongold. The VTubing Industry is barely one factor. Why don't you act more professional than trying to claim more freedom is bad WHEN NIJISANJI FAILED THEIR TALENTS. I have the entire platform to show for. Freedom and Incompetence are not the same.
@@MagnusVonGrapple Oh... I never said Vshojo was perfect. But as Vshojo stands currently? Nijisanji have fallen behind dramatically. Incompetence and Freedom is not the same. You simply conflate both as one.
Well Cover had now ten (or 15?) new talents relased (since Rushia's departure), a new studio and managment place and its okay to stay a little bit strict and let more managers looking over the idols. I mean look back what happend to Rushia, this was a point that you can learn when the idol vtubers aren't holding strict.
We're in the timeline where clips like this actually get "um um I agree" comments If this was uploaded in 2021-2022, comment section would turn into a warzone lmao
Newer fans might say a lot about other agencies having drama, but if you are older fans, you should know Cover dealt with more varieties of drama. They have dealt with shady rumor and early cancellation, stalking incident, doxxing and harassment, game copyright incident that nearly brought down all talents, getting into feud with what we called the largest vtuber market during that time, and many more. Since they are the biggest vtuber agencies right now, they have more antis than others who even resort on making drama out of nowhere to bring Cover down. So rules are there to protect everyone. I don't know why people keep saying rules are strict and they are afraid of it. You need to protect yourself and that's why we have rules.
The bigger you are the more eyes you have on you and the less your quirks and discrepancies will be forgiven. You can't have success without temperance.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615i feel like pewdiepie (and a few others) are the exception. Those streamer started at the very beginning were rules didn't matter. Now however people have become more sensitive and by saying one slur you can get instantly canceled.
@@RicKo5896 Ha ha ha ha... Asmongold would laugh at that, as I do. But sure... Go bow to the mob and die for political wars. I honestly don't give a shit. Petty ass humans who think they have power over me?... What a waste of time. You act as if being cancelled is a problem... Maybe for Twitter... It's simply nothing to me. (They are not the exception but the ones who succeeded. Cancel Culture is worthless but I guess you give it power... A shame.)
Honestly the biggest changes that we as viewers get to see is how they deal with copyrighted content,clips,mail. If they are more strict on the talents we dont really see it.Matsuri is just as unhinged as she has always been and there have been a couple members who have had their moments😂. Like astel flirting with every girl. I'm just grateful that the talents can be themselves for the most part. I also feel like mio telling us these things means that they arent hardcore censoring them.
I just don't see this appeal of being "unhinged" that others actively seek in vtubers. Some even treat the "unhingeness" as a gauge of how "free" a talent is. 😅 A vtuber can be free and entertaining without the constant sex talk and 3D crotch shots.
This. When Haachama talked about being more seiso, probably coz, yunno, she's growing up?? People seriously thought she was being restricted by Cover like lmfao the other girls did more yabe stuff than Haachama. It's like to them going from seiso to yabai is "being free", but the vice versa is -maturity- being restricted. How ridiculous. And that happened just a couple of weeks before her break btw. People forget but HAACHAMA CAN READ ENGLISH, those dumbasses.
As an entertainment company grows, it needs to get more and more serious about the business aspect. When it’s just a few people doing their own thing, you can be real nimble and free wheeling. But as more people are added and you have to start protecting both them and the company more, you need to be stricter. It might feel like things are becoming corporate and losing their magic, but the alternative is much worse. If you don’t change and lay down ground rules, you risk enabling a toxic work environment and mistreating your employees. As you grow, you need to make the jump from a group of people in a garage/spare bedroom to an actual business with HR/code of conduct/internal policies/etc. You need to be willing to balance the entertainment with the business. If you make that jump too late, or not at all, then you risk a scandal down the line. Look at LTT and Rooster Teeth for examples. Both suffered for not making that transition in step with the speed of their growth. But in the case of Cover, it feels like they are making that transition at a good pace. I’m sure they’re still figuring things out here and there, but they have their priorities straight. You love to see it.
I mean... You say that... But that's 101. Par for the course. In short... It should have happened much sooner. Although, it is disappointing that Calli cannot make Orginals with any member without jumping through American and Japanese Corporate Suits. But that's the intended "catch" set forth by the corporations who call the shots. Akin to the American Music Labels.
Hololive is still probably the best if not one of the best! No politics! No insulting the fans! No relationships! It is among the closest to an actual idol group. These and other rules exist for a reason.
Those changes are definitely for the greater good. No changes at all when needed could be a bad situation. Just look at Nijisanji and Vshoujo. VShoujo made several changes which resulted in bad at the beginning then got salvaged somehow due to the changes itself . Meanwhile, Nijisanji barely made any changes which still resulted in bad.
its something to be expected, imagine if they dont learned. having cut ties with china market lets them know, not all investors are okay to be included in the business, choosing talent behaviour is really important more than just their skills or talent
Depends... VShojo has more room compared to a Hololive. But that's Japan for ya, old fashion and very old fashion. Not saying Hololive is old fashion but they are a Japanese Company and their industry is old fashion. The same success but through different means has been done by Vshojo/ RUclips & Twitch. VTubers or not.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Maybe being old-fashioned is the result of them learning from their mistakes. After all, being slow affords oneself time to consider the pros and cons of a decision, since its weight grows as your influences grow.
@@ariadame102 Ha ha ha ha... No... That's not how it is. Almost 100% of all Japanese Companies have to go through many suits from bottom to top and top to bottom in order to get anything done. Now, at least Hololive/Cover doesn't do this with their Talents for creativity. But anything such as collabs and bigger projects, has to go up and down the chain of command. It's not a security / "slow and steady" thing. It's just the culture of how Corporate Japan is, currently. Meanwhile, Vshojo doesn't have the same corporate culture and is more free going. (Your assumption is not how it is. Anyone can be that cautious but it doesn't change the work culture of any nation nor mean that one style is better or worst. Just look at Nijisanji right now if you want a nuance approach to "what not to do".)
It’s not just cover but Nijisanji has just been a never ending chain of dramas this year and they are rapidly bleeding talent (usually to Vshojo) so hololive is learning hard lessons watching them, as well.
Mio would know about the issues that Cover used to face in the past, she was one of the creators hit the hardest with the Game Permission drama with Nintendo. You cant treat a company like Cover the same way at the beginning vs now. The bigger you are the more rules are slapped on you because of your larger reach and influence.
Nintendo is very fierce with their IP but the copyright strike is with Capcom though for her Ghost Trick stream. It also serve as wake up call to Cover that they are not an amateur anymore and need to shapen up.
Rushia termination, Haachama Coco Taiwan drama, Aloe antis harressement and Mel harressement from company worker. A few but a big drama that affect the talent's future job
@@sigadop3492There's yet another one: the game permissions apocalypse. Mio was the most affected by this controversy; she immediately got community striked twice by Capcom for that.
3 years ago some said Nijisanji is more freedom than Cover, and now? Nijisanji got too many drama happened, especially Zaion case for a too freedom talents that's disobey the company's rules. This kind of cases need a stricts rules to better control the talents from getting chaos
Hmmm,, blunder ?? It's understandable to feel that way, but speaking out about the issue can add something to her character in the future as some kind of consideration.
While having rules are important I do feel that taking "some" risk are also important because otherwise things become stagnate. Take Kiryu Coco. She took what it meant to be an idol and flipped it on it's head, she was really good at knowing how to bend the rules enough so she wouldn't get into too much trouble also was a great person in of itself. If you aren't willing to take risk and just stay the way you are for the rest of your life then, are you truly living to the fullest? Yes, sometimes things may backfire but that's life for you. Just got to pick up the pierces and try again with another idea because you learn more from failing than you do from succeeding.
I understand that more restrictions is necessary because of the drama but this is also the side affect of little to no innovation within the industry. Truly sad but if a vtuber company give too much freedom, they become lazy and no direction. The vtuber company needs to have balance with talent freedom and some restrictions at the same time. It's sad that Hololive have perfected this balance in 2020 but because of outside interference, the drama happened then Hololive become more restrict than ever.... even though I'm betting that even if they implied the new 'rules restriction' in the past, the 'dramas' WILL happened no matter what because it's outside interference, making the rules now just suffocating and pointless. I truly hope that Magni and Vesper quits just because of money and not the 'rules restriction'.
This is why I've been less and less into parasocial relationships over the past year, people get way too deep into idol and vtuber culture. I'll watch clips sometimes to see what's up though.
Several dramas. The Taiwan Incident, The Copyright Strikes, Mano Aloe, and Rushia's Termination are the most relevant ones, I think. I can briefly explain them if you want
I think people are comparing this with the drama going around in Nijisanji for entirely the wrong reasons. I think the important distinction is how they handle their mistakes. Cover has made many mistakes in the past, but they've never made the same mistake twice. They learned from their mistakes and that's been helping them out in their growth. Anycolor has not learned from their mistakes in the slightest, and that's what the problem with them is. That's why so many talents have graduated this year alone. Because nobody has listened. Not the talents, not the staff, no one. And that's bad for a company.
The number of talents graduated from niji this year surpassing the number of holo jp currently active talent, that's an accomplishment in and of itself.
One of the burns Holo got once in the past that I'm still frustrated by is the policy on game mods. I understand why they did it, but still, that closed _such_ a wonderful door for their gaming streams, I can't help but feel a sting of empathy for the more game-focused talents. Still, I'd rather have stricter, safer codes of conduct than Cover's metaphorical head on a platter. Because if Cover's head is on it, so are the heads of all of our oshis.
honestly 'game-mod rights' in general are a huge issue for Japanese streamers and companies in general, its not just a Hololive thing... a lot of JP developers basically have a 'play the game how we made it or we'll take you down' sort of approach, treating it akin to piracy and stealing.
@@taloscalYep, pretty much. The whole permission arc happened because of Capcom striking Mio's channel because she played Ghost Trick without permissions. And even more, the same Capcom has now taken a ridiculous stance against mods in their games, saying it can potentially tarnish the game's and the company's reputations. Cover knew exactly to not put themselves in potential danger by denying the talents to play with mods.
@@taloscal True... For Japan. For America?... USA gaming companies don't give a shit about using or not using Mods for vods/streams as long as it isn't hacks/cheats for MMOs or PVP games.
@@kats1646 Funny thing is... Modding isn't illegal in America, so Capcom's dumb ass stance has no real authority beyond bans. That said... It's not a loss. I have other games to buy that isn't from Capcom.
@@kats1646 was one of the 'thesis list' of reasons Niji gave for getting rid of Zaion too. I imagine its more of an issue for the Western side though as the modding scene in JP in general isn't that big, over here in the west some games can last for decades due to mods though (things like Total War Medieval 2, Skyrim, Garry's Mod and Left4Dead are still going strong as a result of them) and in some cases the mods actually fix game-breaking bugs and glitches to make the game play better or be better optimised. I do remember the Mio moment with Capcom though as it had quite the fallout, with her being put on pause until the situation settled down along with quite a few members getting their archived vids panic-purged in-case it affected them too... some members like Subaru losing chunks of vids from their early days. JP companies take copyright and permission VERY seriously as a result, and things like mods are very risky as a result of that in-case it damages relationships between them.
It's pretty understandable at this point that if you want to do your own thing and not play by any rule modern Hololive is not the place to do that anymore for better or for worse.
Well at this point Hololive is a famous brand and since Cover select talents not just for popularity the ones that join gains more from Hololive compared to what they can give to Hololive when they join, being part of Hololive is basically a success guarantee compared with going indie
@@holow3038 As Connor (CdawgVA) stated... You can ride the ship to the end if you make it into Hololive. But of course... RUclips and Twitch is much bigger and just "making it into Hololive" is not enough to retain/to grow as a Channel.
Rules are great things, a lot of past drama could've been easily avoided if there's more rules, like Rushia, the dumbass used private Steam account for stream, which led to her private friend messaged her during stream, which was 100% her fault for being so careless
I think that's not the reason though lol. It's more like she tried to save herself in exchange of potentially endangering everyone's personal infos. All she had to do was to stay quiet.
@@holow3038 Depends on the rules... But as long as it doesn't restrict creative endeavour. Then professional rules are fine. Unlike Nijisanji EN Management.
@@holow3038 hololive did somehow burned up, but they willing continue their jobs. Unlike Nijisanji's talents, they're burned up mostly and quit the job because of the bad management
I think I'm in the minority here but, I'd like if Hololive was more strict with the amount of times the talents have to stream. Considering that sometimes some of them just disappear all of a sudden for a long time without saying a word. And if that's too much to ask then just a tweet saying they're taking a break for sometime but will come back would be good enough
I more agree with the latter than the former. Even if said talent doesnt want us to know why they are going on break exactly, letting us know what streaming will be like for a while would be nice
Hm...hard...I wouldn't want them to be forced to stream. If they get a regular payment, yes that will be fair, but since they earn of success, you can't really do that. They only earn money when they stream/create content.
@@OlafJorigson Getting paid on RUclips or on Twitch at this scale with all the Percent Cuts by all parties. Is whack in terms of what talents can actually pocket as profit. It's not a lot really... Since most of it ends up as funds for projects and expenses etc.
United statians would say being stricter is damaging to their freedom, and thus continue making dumb mistakes and never learning, how do you hope to rule for as long as the roman empire again? Sorry oddly placed ramble...
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 there are many other forms of government in between dictatorships and having your country in a civil war every 4 years because of bad and unclear choices of presidents, contitutional monarchies and whatever they do in china come to mind. But i guess the usa is quite limited in their choices... good luck though
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 yes, and that’s (hopefully) what we're always trying to avoid, but when i look at constitutional monarchies like the uk and japan it makes me think of how different things could have been for brazil if the republic wasn't proclaimed, depriving us of our greatest emperor and letting oligarchies manipulate the elections for the longest time, i suppose it all comes down to me envying the usa and how they made their election sistem reliable while brazil will always be a "country of the future" while longing for what we had before... Sorry, sounds like i'm just going through it, always good to have a place to dump all these thoughts on, not that a vtuber clip is the right place for it...
@@EmptyKing23 Humanity is an odd creation of Free Will. Even for me, to question Mankind in their pursuit of meaning. (... I can only observe and to hope. Given the End...)
So weird seeing people try and act like they're morally superior (aka virtue signalling) when saying Hololive is the good and Nijisanji is the bad. They're not different places, folks. Stop trying to appear superior, it's so strange and unnecessary. The talents don't see things that way at all, neither should you.
@@TritonzAnime Niji livers love being in Nijisanji (when they're not being fired for inappropriate behavior). Niji ID and KR absolutely have gotten shafted, but so did Holo CN. Also one of Holo's biggest streamers left because of the strictness. It's delusional to think Hololive is completely perfect and the talents have no problems whatsoever, when we literally have Pekora who's cried and taken a break because she wasn't allowed to do a big event for her birthday(?) some time back and their most influential tallent left. And who knows what else happens in the background
Not the same ma dude , also Niji fans used to say that Hololive was bad because it was too strict, ironic how things changed and now that's why people is signalling them and with good reasons sadly
@@PurpletridentNot according to past niji livers like gibara or waraneda and gundou who have alluded nijisanji as some sort of prisonnot to mention comments made mysta and nina. Nobody is saying that Hololive is perfect but its dumb to think that they are on the same level as nijisanji currently
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No doubt, Cover the Big Corporation has to act differently from Cover the Small Startup. Yagoo can't afford to only hire people he trusts directly, so more rules are necessary.
Just hope they wont turn too corporatize or it'll cause more burnouts the girls can only handle.
I agree, however, security and comfort are the main things in managing the work environment.
Downside being we'll basically never get another Subaru.
@@TheVillainInGlassesas for? Newbie that completely new in entetrainment industry? If is it like that, we got Kobo...
@@topazokenni4869 they probably meant people who don't really know anything about anime culture in general
Given how big hololive is now, I would still say they are really relax. But obviously too much unhinged would chase sponsor away. At the end of the day, they are still a business and need money to survive. Pretty much I think they are at the right level.
Exactly. At the end of the day, cover and hololive are a brand and they want to put out a certain image and dependability. They're not like e.g. Vshojo which is just an agency. People that say cover should just let the talents do whatever they want, don't understand the difference between the two styles of business. And yes even by those standards, cover is still relatively relaxed.
@@franks777_KFP Yup, while Vshojo offers management and connections to their Talents, Cover is the one handing out work for their Talents. Cover is mostly top down, Vshojo is bottom up.
Both have pros and cons obviously, but I feel like Cover is very free for their talents, especially the EN side. The JP side is more locked down, but it's also where most of their money is coming from.
Good thing is that Hololive got a lot of sponsorships lately, it is good for the company because sponsorship gives them 'guaranteed' income as there are contracts involved, it can easily booked in company earnings and give assurance to the stakeholder, they are after all a public company now. Cover stock still looks good, not as strong as 5 months ago that reach doubles their IPO at 3000 Yen, but still a healthy number.
@@EnhancedLoneWolf you mean romantic relationships with managers or employees? That's never been allowed, and especially so after Hitomi Chris.
Between talents, or in private, they're free to do whatever, but they need to keep it quiet. Just look at what Suisei went through recently.
@@EnhancedLoneWolffbk is already married long ago, an icon of girl boss
I am just happy Yagoo is at the helm of the company and not just at the mercy of the stockholders. I am always praying for the wellbeing of Yagoo because I just can't see a future without the man.
I can trust yagoo, because he at one point is just like us the otaku with a dream and now he achieve it with us, i hope cover always care about they talent and audience 👍
I shared the same fear with you man. I just wish longlife for this man.
Without Yagoo, I don't see Cover having a future. Real talk.
Just look for fubuki, she mentioned if the company go to wrong direction she will leave Hololive.
@@DinnerForkTongue maybe A-chan or Nodoka Would be next since Yagoo trust them with offline duties like a proteges.
Mio's always been the best about explaining and working stuff out like this. Couldn't agree more.
Mio-mama is always good at explaining things around the company and insights on how things work in calm/composed manner. She is such a nicer person. :)
Mio makes some good points,I definitely agree with her
You can see how they've changed and learned to better control factors they didn't consider, how to deal with drama, and have rules in place to protect members and fans. Rules are important, especially as they grow and in order to have a stress-free environment. From who they recruit to how they've come now, I definitely will always stick with Holo over any other.
doesn't seem so with vshojo. talent freedom baby 😂
@@akira8393Well they're not really an Agency more like a mediator of talents
VShojo is more umbrella group and ironically they're probably the best at doing now post Vale,Nyan and Vei leaving
true. however, i dont know really calling it the best. at least so far i dont really see vshojo doing anything much besides different people there.@@lionelk.y7233
Hololive : learn from mistake
Niji : heh noob ,we make no mistake!!
Also niji: where my new yacht?? Accelerate!!🔥🔥
@@BeforeON3 nah niji look at holo and said. aight bet
Don't spread rumors, don't jump to conclusions, don't feed the trolls, and most importantly, treat one another with respect
I don't think that making up rumours is really necessary, since we all know that Sakura Miko has tried multiple times to overthrow the Portuguese president Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, and install herself as the "first waifu of the people"!
@@Otek_Nr.3 eh if she become one. please do tell to ppl. ill migrate to there right away..
First time on the internet?
Preach, King
@@Otek_Nr.3but she didnt Beat the allegation of being the Gang leader of the biggest Gang i'm Los Santos
Cover has shown its resilience in dealing with drama. Their willingness to learn from their mistakes is what I respect the most about them.
A very mature & level-headed response. As expected from Mio-mama!
I see Hololive and Cover corp have 3 phases. Phase 1 is the beginning days, when members back then were really unhinged. Then phase 2 is when the copyright massacre dropped on them and the Taiwan drama, resulting in a really restrictive environment. Back then many personal projects were rejected and they got into so many dramas (Miko and Marine at one point were almost cancelled). And finally phase 3 after Coco left, which is when they started to form the "talent first" policy. The "unhinge-ness" was not comparable to pre-2020 era, but it sure felt more relaxed than before Coco's departure
Too restrictive will result in a lot of graduations due to either burnout or creativity difference. But too relaxed will result in unwanted dramas. So these 2 must be balanced, and so far this year Cover did balance it quite well
I think we are at Phase four that is post Rusia event.
Phase 4: Woke gets in
@@almatuska9183 I'm actually not sure how much Rushia leaving changed things actually. In fact it was most surprising just how little Hololive marked the event, the talents were generally pretty quiet about it and even the fandom stopped talking about it pretty quickly.
Sana and Aloe leaving probably had a greater long term effect.
I got to rabbit hole in January 2021 (Coco was still there). I know some dramas with Towa, Aloe, Coco, but what happened to Marine and Miko? Why were they almost cancelled?
@@ultimatevexation8782 Uh oh wokey
Back in the day people would endlessly argue about Hololive vs Nijisanji and how Hololive was too strict and Nijisanji was so great because it's not.
Jump to the present; Nijisanji can't stay out of drama news for a single week and I never see anyone argue about it anymore.
They now say that Hololive is the same but that fans are siding with the company 😂
Not taking sides here, but to be fair, none of the drama really needed to happen if people were just level headed.
Well...as far as I know, Niji Problems have been more on the company management side of things. Yes there has been drama outside of it, but mostly what I see, its about talents leaving in masses (well know Niji talents especially), them talking about the situation inside the company and how Niji just reduces the support/groups even further.
Oh and also that they still debut new gens, even tough they can't manage the existing ones.
And don't forget the Zaion case for a 3 month newbie talents that disobey company's rules, 1 month punishment stop streaming and she's still not following
To be fair for the Nijisanji vtubers, the more recent vtuber drama has more to do with management screwing up and/or giving little to no support, rather than the vtubers violating company rules
As long yagoo still the head i trust hololive can survive
Better safe than sorry
What's the use of freedom when everything around you is in flames lol.
Good balance of rules and creative freedom prevents dramas and unnecessary escalations while ensuring people still get the entertainment they are looking for.
I remember this is why you never want to go to any place that advertises "no moderation!" or "no rules!" You open the door for the worst of us to come and make it uninhabitable.
As long as they don't let people with control issues into the higher management, Hololive should be fine. Remember, one -Kathleen Kennedy- woman could topple a legendary titanic company and completely change the image of that company from wholesome to worrisome.
A 40 year old gargantuan franchise who was thought to never fall was obliterated by 3 movies under her direction.
Meanwhile Pekora: Dear Management, I would like to have a real live horse! 🤣
i have always felt that cover has found a pretty nice balance
The rules and restrictions seem to be mostly fair while also giving the talents enough freedom that they don't feel constricted
Really i do think it is the best way for talent to grow. They have freedom to try new things but they don't have unlimited freedom to walk themselves into a wall. There is a safety net there to make sure they don't go to far. Especially with the 3D lives because talents like Astel and Aki would BANKRUPT THEM O_O
LMAO yeah, Astel always on red everytime 3D happens. He got an anniv this december and I bet he would go on red again
@@lucatielofmirrah-1853what is red?
@@reynaldipradana4308 minus in profit, or basically he doesn't make money since 3d live is very expensive
tbf the dude is stacked even outside of his vtuber revenue. He'll still have enough cash to live through cup ramen after shouldering the overbudget expense of his 3D lives haha @@lucatielofmirrah-1853
ok but damn i had been sleeping on mio for a while but this outfit and hairstyle hits different
Had to buy two phones and make a watching schedule for all talents.
Mio's always been one of the hidden gems of Hololive.
She just precisely said what makes hololive different to others. Hololive made me realize not all restriction is a bad thing. Sometimes you need restriction to keep the quality. One or the major things why hololive have such a good branding. Like hololive is not only great because they have great talents but hololive as a whole is great. Really makes me proud as someone who's been following for nearly 5years already to see them grow so much.
I think as a Vtuber company, this is correct action. Giving conditional freedom to talent to keep them at bay and restrict some actions that could be detrimental to the company ends up maintaining them this long. They follow a different path from Nijisanji by slowly developed their talent which results in high quality talent. I think there's more to it. Maybe someone can fill in the blank what I missed.
Njisanji EN in comparison just flat out do not support their talents.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Nijisanji in general seems to take a slightly more Apple-esque approach to their talents, where the company's profits are more kept up with release hype windfalls than the more steady gains from long-term development. At least that's what I think they're _trying_ to do.
@@G-Cole-01
It is failing for Nijisanji... And anyone can see that clearly.
Hololive has a better approach with long term growth.
Vshojo is more like UTA that Ironmouse partnered with. Not really a full agency.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Niji is sinking so hard I wouldnt find it strange if Phase Connect end up overtaking them in a couple of years.
There is such a thing as being too strict though. Nobody wants to see Hololive turn into a soulless corporation that just drains the happiness out of its talents like most talent agencies (whether they be actors, musicians, etc).
"Rules is needed"
this, for people "Hololive are the Agency vtubers lack freedom!! too many rules!! so strict!!", Mio already spoke,
for the talents and staffs not become barbarian and creating drama to no end, Rules are needed.
look at other agency that people says "this agency has more freedom than other one" in the past, it become 'survival at the fittest' for the talents ~
anything that too much never gonna be good, 'freedom' are not exception.
The right rules are needed... Not BS rules from top down... Nijisanji.
Just like AEW vs WWE
Completely understandable
Well there's been issues in the past and Cover has been expanding so it's expected. Cover has been doing quite well though compared to many other companies.
Everyone in Hololive seems to love their work, the company and the founder. I've been in the corporate world a long time and have never seen a better company by that metric.
Of course they become more strict. From what all I've seen in regards to the corporate management's responses, they really do truly care for the safety of their Idols and don't want to allow any further risk to endanger them.
Part of being established and having so many other genmates and staff depend on you is that you have to take less risks, that’s part of the deal
Like uncle ben said : "with great power come great responsibility." With their ever increasing fame and influence, each holomem hold a much bigger responsibility towards their company, their fanbase, their fellow members, and especially towards themselves. Same thing apply for yagoo and all the staff members withing the company. It is the determined path that must be walked on your way to greatness
Great clip
strict on the right place i think, because theres so many great collab and events that hololive join like vcr servers, botan and korone sf6 cr cup and many more also recently ojou and laplus + vspo girls valorant collab is a blessing
It's still a first generation company. Much like Valve, the man in love with the idea is still spearheading things.
Even with new restrictions, amI can't see the company turning evil in the near future.
At least cover have solution or counter when the similar situation happens in the future
It is better to have strict management but provide full support to their talents than Having a messy management that disbanded branches and stoping to give them support so they inevitably choose to graduate one by one
1:13 - people die when they are killed.
For some people it may come easier to criticize the restrictions and ignore the positives of restricting stuff because they forget about the 2020s for Cover and Hololive. I really believe Cover found a good balance with the rules. Just compare it to Nijisanji, they lose their talents and non-ending dramas all the time.
Compared to before, they do not lose talents, no dramas and they get so many promotional job from outside that they basically do not have free time. Before they had to ask the Game companies before playing their game. Now, game companies ask them to play their game on stream for promotion, that's really something.
We can't look only at the talents and the management. The bigger the fanbase and the more popular hololive becomes, the more it opens to anti-[insert ideology]s sneaking in and trying to destroy everything.
Honestly
They are a big company now and are one of the leading agencies out there and should act like it
Most especially they have to learn where others failed like a certain black company with their 2 percent revenue split to the talents...
Have the second biggest mocap studio in Japan. Big accomplishment.
Rules are made after someone broke it first
Can we just give credit where it's due and just appreciate how mature Ookami Mio is? Not only is she being professional here, but also profound. She's certainly underrated as an agency vtuber.
looking comment about Niji vs Holo makes me laugh😂.. Well right now Cover become quite huge, so they need better rules. After all, most of companies do that as they grow
Im aagree
I miss Azur Lane collab.. but, Azur Lane make a Takodachi, and Pekora because they can't collab with Hololive anymore.. i miss those day.. and Miss Fubuki Arknight Live Stream
I am hoping for Endfiled Gamplay since Hypergriph moved to singapur.
@@MGUM_ just hope hypergriph not using a chinese again, like yostar or etc..
Management changes including policy, guidelines etc.etc is another thing.
Making sure they hire the potential talents with less baggage in the long run is waaaay harder than hiring behind the screen management troops.
all that efforts will come to waste when they put to debut peoples that comes in for the hype train and clouts and inviting more troubles.
It's a difficult decision though, because some of their best talents came in with baggage. Korone has talked about being widely hated in the streamer community at one point, and Pekora wasn't universally liked either. Hell even Gura has quite the checkered past.
It's easy to say 'told you so' when a brittle talent remains brittle, but that's ignoring all the times a second chance has turned out golden for them.
@@PhilweaselThat's what's happening now with Shiori. BVTM is out for her currently I think.
@@kuronoch.1441Ngl, I see so many people said she's a red flag. But so far nothing's happen... In fact, it further proof that 3rd gen is a golden gen
@@Philweaselits just how public figure life is, cant really do anything about that.
@@frozenthrill9674 It is utterly ridiculous, because honestly Shiori is kinda incredibly inoffensive?
Literally every single member of Myth had a more controversial past than Shiori, Shiori was just a quiet nerd who liked otome games and 'edgy' RPG maker stuff.
Even now she's kind of a goofy sweetheart, despite people telling me she's 'dangerous' somehow. What, because she has black eyeliner?
Mio mama is good at explaining these kinds of things.
"After all it's not something that we can decide" is so true, and also applies to the fans.
I am myself not happy with some of the decisions made over the past couple years, but all you can do in such a case is take it as it is and move on, and if you really feel like you can't continue supporting the company/talents for whatever reason, that's also fine; you shouldn't feel forced to support anyone, same with any company or indies. (Just keep it civil, or even better keep it to yourself).
Overall, the choices they've made have yielded very positive results, I'm really proud of their growth and I'm happy to still be here for the ride!
No, to be honest, the fans have FAR more say than the talents in situations like this. If Cover makes rule changes or changes on content and views start going down, then they may realize they need to consider rolling back some of these changes. Obviously some individual idiot screaming on the internet will have no impact, but many people closing their wallets would have an impact.
With that being said, there's no real evidence yet that any individual rule changes have caused interest in Hololive to decline.
@@CaptainOverkill
Given Nijisanji EN who F up every step the company branch took. At least Hololive isn't doing that level of incompetence/mismanagement.
@@CaptainOverkill Oh, definitely, I agree on the collective power of the fans' wallets. On a personal level, I did lose interest in Hololive for a little while but I'm glad I chose to come back.
People may not like it but like a wise rat once said "Too much freedom, kills freedom"
Wrong... Vshojo has all the freedom and they are doing so much better than Nijisanji.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 and how many drama this small sized and relatively new agency got?
Like I said, you may not like it but too much freedom kills freedom.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Completely glossing over the drama with Nux, and the exit of two of Vshojo's biggest earners... Be fair man, no company is without their flaws
@@overlordshiina
You amuse me... Given CdawgVA and Asmongold.
The VTubing Industry is barely one factor.
Why don't you act more professional than trying to claim more freedom is bad WHEN NIJISANJI FAILED THEIR TALENTS.
I have the entire platform to show for. Freedom and Incompetence are not the same.
@@MagnusVonGrapple
Oh... I never said Vshojo was perfect. But as Vshojo stands currently? Nijisanji have fallen behind dramatically.
Incompetence and Freedom is not the same. You simply conflate both as one.
They may be more strict and demanding in some ways, but they're also more supportive in a lot of ways too.
Well Cover had now ten (or 15?) new talents relased (since Rushia's departure), a new studio and managment place and its okay to stay a little bit strict and let more managers looking over the idols. I mean look back what happend to Rushia, this was a point that you can learn when the idol vtubers aren't holding strict.
Cover when talents gets into trouble:Guard up! Drama alert! Warning! Meeting!
Meanwhile Nijisanji: YOU BETTER GET OUTTA HERE!
Niji is that guy you used to hang out with who says they hate drama, but will blow it out of proportion and blame it on you every time
We're in the timeline where clips like this actually get "um um I agree" comments
If this was uploaded in 2021-2022, comment section would turn into a warzone lmao
Considering we've watched the "free" company bleed like a stuck pig, people have seen their proof
@@1stCallipostleyou should see the indie side, every month there's some odd drama going on there.
Newer fans might say a lot about other agencies having drama, but if you are older fans, you should know Cover dealt with more varieties of drama. They have dealt with shady rumor and early cancellation, stalking incident, doxxing and harassment, game copyright incident that nearly brought down all talents, getting into feud with what we called the largest vtuber market during that time, and many more.
Since they are the biggest vtuber agencies right now, they have more antis than others who even resort on making drama out of nowhere to bring Cover down.
So rules are there to protect everyone. I don't know why people keep saying rules are strict and they are afraid of it. You need to protect yourself and that's why we have rules.
Well it also becomes the fact that they gotta be professionals, and thats really the big reason why they're so strict.
The bigger you are the more eyes you have on you and the less your quirks and discrepancies will be forgiven. You can't have success without temperance.
For corporations... Sure.
For Pewdiepie etc.?... Why should people waste time for clout?
@@absolstoryoffiction6615i feel like pewdiepie (and a few others) are the exception. Those streamer started at the very beginning were rules didn't matter. Now however people have become more sensitive and by saying one slur you can get instantly canceled.
@@RicKo5896
Ha ha ha ha... Asmongold would laugh at that, as I do.
But sure... Go bow to the mob and die for political wars.
I honestly don't give a shit. Petty ass humans who think they have power over me?... What a waste of time.
You act as if being cancelled is a problem... Maybe for Twitter... It's simply nothing to me.
(They are not the exception but the ones who succeeded. Cancel Culture is worthless but I guess you give it power... A shame.)
so many wizard in the know on chat it's hilarious, just enjoy it while your oshi still here because we don't know when they will go
Honestly the biggest changes that we as viewers get to see is how they deal with copyrighted content,clips,mail. If they are more strict on the talents we dont really see it.Matsuri is just as unhinged as she has always been and there have been a couple members who have had their moments😂. Like astel flirting with every girl. I'm just grateful that the talents can be themselves for the most part. I also feel like mio telling us these things means that they arent hardcore censoring them.
0:34 heh, shes looking up and to the left, which iirc means shes being truthful, shes giving it an honest thought.
I just don't see this appeal of being "unhinged" that others actively seek in vtubers. Some even treat the "unhingeness" as a gauge of how "free" a talent is. 😅
A vtuber can be free and entertaining without the constant sex talk and 3D crotch shots.
I had a whole bunch of things I wanted to say, but I can sum it all up as: "It's the internet."
This. When Haachama talked about being more seiso, probably coz, yunno, she's growing up?? People seriously thought she was being restricted by Cover like lmfao the other girls did more yabe stuff than Haachama.
It's like to them going from seiso to yabai is "being free", but the vice versa is -maturity- being restricted. How ridiculous. And that happened just a couple of weeks before her break btw. People forget but HAACHAMA CAN READ ENGLISH, those dumbasses.
As an entertainment company grows, it needs to get more and more serious about the business aspect. When it’s just a few people doing their own thing, you can be real nimble and free wheeling. But as more people are added and you have to start protecting both them and the company more, you need to be stricter. It might feel like things are becoming corporate and losing their magic, but the alternative is much worse. If you don’t change and lay down ground rules, you risk enabling a toxic work environment and mistreating your employees. As you grow, you need to make the jump from a group of people in a garage/spare bedroom to an actual business with HR/code of conduct/internal policies/etc. You need to be willing to balance the entertainment with the business. If you make that jump too late, or not at all, then you risk a scandal down the line. Look at LTT and Rooster Teeth for examples. Both suffered for not making that transition in step with the speed of their growth. But in the case of Cover, it feels like they are making that transition at a good pace. I’m sure they’re still figuring things out here and there, but they have their priorities straight. You love to see it.
I mean... You say that... But that's 101. Par for the course.
In short... It should have happened much sooner.
Although, it is disappointing that Calli cannot make Orginals with any member without jumping through American and Japanese Corporate Suits. But that's the intended "catch" set forth by the corporations who call the shots. Akin to the American Music Labels.
It has become more strict due to past drama.
Hololive is still probably the best if not one of the best! No politics! No insulting the fans! No relationships! It is among the closest to an actual idol group. These and other rules exist for a reason.
Those changes are definitely for the greater good. No changes at all when needed could be a bad situation. Just look at Nijisanji and Vshoujo. VShoujo made several changes which resulted in bad at the beginning then got salvaged somehow due to the changes itself . Meanwhile, Nijisanji barely made any changes which still resulted in bad.
its something to be expected, imagine if they dont learned. having cut ties with china market lets them know, not all investors are okay to be included in the business, choosing talent behaviour is really important more than just their skills or talent
Depends... VShojo has more room compared to a Hololive. But that's Japan for ya, old fashion and very old fashion.
Not saying Hololive is old fashion but they are a Japanese Company and their industry is old fashion.
The same success but through different means has been done by Vshojo/ RUclips & Twitch. VTubers or not.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Maybe being old-fashioned is the result of them learning from their mistakes. After all, being slow affords oneself time to consider the pros and cons of a decision, since its weight grows as your influences grow.
@@ariadame102
Ha ha ha ha... No... That's not how it is. Almost 100% of all Japanese Companies have to go through many suits from bottom to top and top to bottom in order to get anything done.
Now, at least Hololive/Cover doesn't do this with their Talents for creativity. But anything such as collabs and bigger projects, has to go up and down the chain of command.
It's not a security / "slow and steady" thing. It's just the culture of how Corporate Japan is, currently.
Meanwhile, Vshojo doesn't have the same corporate culture and is more free going.
(Your assumption is not how it is. Anyone can be that cautious but it doesn't change the work culture of any nation nor mean that one style is better or worst. Just look at Nijisanji right now if you want a nuance approach to "what not to do".)
I wonder what the management to talent ratio is over time.
Wish AnyColor could take a note from Cover
It’s not just cover but Nijisanji has just been a never ending chain of dramas this year and they are rapidly bleeding talent (usually to Vshojo) so hololive is learning hard lessons watching them, as well.
now, if Nijisanji would only learn from Hololive.
2 talents have willingly left Nijisanji for vshojo. Similarly, 2 talents have willingly left Hololive.
I've always said that while it's a good thing to learn from your mistakes, it's even better to learn from someone else's.
@@Purpletrident and one willingly move to holo
@@Purpletrident for what reasons though? that's important.
The drama:
Me as a tako: *slaps kfp* 😝🤣
Kfp: ☹😢👿🔪
From a small company to a giant soulless corporation that dehumanizes its employees. On the other hand, just look at the profit!
Mio would know about the issues that Cover used to face in the past, she was one of the creators hit the hardest with the Game Permission drama with Nintendo. You cant treat a company like Cover the same way at the beginning vs now. The bigger you are the more rules are slapped on you because of your larger reach and influence.
Nintendo is very fierce with their IP but the copyright strike is with Capcom though for her Ghost Trick stream. It also serve as wake up call to Cover that they are not an amateur anymore and need to shapen up.
@@Argenolfyup she got 2 copystrike from capcom almost got her channell nuked.
Past drama? Which one? Since hololive doesnt have that much drama
Rushia termination, Haachama Coco Taiwan drama, Aloe antis harressement and Mel harressement from company worker. A few but a big drama that affect the talent's future job
@@roguenoise2718 yea its not a lot right, im just wondering which one mio's mean
@@sigadop3492 she probably mean like all the minor dramas too. as far as I know, there’s almost no hololive member who hasn’t got drama.
@@sigadop3492There's yet another one: the game permissions apocalypse. Mio was the most affected by this controversy; she immediately got community striked twice by Capcom for that.
@@kuronoch.1441damn i feel old, i remember that alot of funny/good streams were lost. Felt like the end of hololive in those days.
What drama and strictly against what?
3 years ago some said Nijisanji is more freedom than Cover, and now? Nijisanji got too many drama happened, especially Zaion case for a too freedom talents that's disobey the company's rules. This kind of cases need a stricts rules to better control the talents from getting chaos
Hmmm,, blunder ??
It's understandable to feel that way, but speaking out about the issue can add something to her character in the future as some kind of consideration.
While having rules are important I do feel that taking "some" risk are also important because otherwise things become stagnate. Take Kiryu Coco. She took what it meant to be an idol and flipped it on it's head, she was really good at knowing how to bend the rules enough so she wouldn't get into too much trouble also was a great person in of itself. If you aren't willing to take risk and just stay the way you are for the rest of your life then, are you truly living to the fullest? Yes, sometimes things may backfire but that's life for you. Just got to pick up the pierces and try again with another idea because you learn more from failing than you do from succeeding.
I understand that more restrictions is necessary because of the drama but this is also the side affect of little to no innovation within the industry. Truly sad but if a vtuber company give too much freedom, they become lazy and no direction. The vtuber company needs to have balance with talent freedom and some restrictions at the same time. It's sad that Hololive have perfected this balance in 2020 but because of outside interference, the drama happened then Hololive become more restrict than ever.... even though I'm betting that even if they implied the new 'rules restriction' in the past, the 'dramas' WILL happened no matter what because it's outside interference, making the rules now just suffocating and pointless. I truly hope that Magni and Vesper quits just because of money and not the 'rules restriction'.
This is why I've been less and less into parasocial relationships over the past year, people get way too deep into idol and vtuber culture. I'll watch clips sometimes to see what's up though.
what drama?
Wat drama?
Past dramas.
@@mapotofu1427there's also the suisei drama that happened very recently which i think is absurd.
Several dramas. The Taiwan Incident, The Copyright Strikes, Mano Aloe, and Rushia's Termination are the most relevant ones, I think. I can briefly explain them if you want
Cover learn from their mistakes unlike nijisanji, having graduation every month
We already lost a few members of Hololive due to past dramas
I think people are comparing this with the drama going around in Nijisanji for entirely the wrong reasons. I think the important distinction is how they handle their mistakes. Cover has made many mistakes in the past, but they've never made the same mistake twice. They learned from their mistakes and that's been helping them out in their growth. Anycolor has not learned from their mistakes in the slightest, and that's what the problem with them is. That's why so many talents have graduated this year alone. Because nobody has listened. Not the talents, not the staff, no one. And that's bad for a company.
The number of talents graduated from niji this year surpassing the number of holo jp currently active talent, that's an accomplishment in and of itself.
Number 1 rule: Dont address Taiwan as a country.
not going to read the comments, already know it will be full of people who hate hololive twisting what she says.
Yeah at first they thought they can be as free as nijisanji but they can't.
And they absolutely right, look at nijisanji rn
Well, if that wasn't a stereotypical Japanese answer then I don't know what is lol.
One of the burns Holo got once in the past that I'm still frustrated by is the policy on game mods. I understand why they did it, but still, that closed _such_ a wonderful door for their gaming streams, I can't help but feel a sting of empathy for the more game-focused talents.
Still, I'd rather have stricter, safer codes of conduct than Cover's metaphorical head on a platter. Because if Cover's head is on it, so are the heads of all of our oshis.
honestly 'game-mod rights' in general are a huge issue for Japanese streamers and companies in general, its not just a Hololive thing... a lot of JP developers basically have a 'play the game how we made it or we'll take you down' sort of approach, treating it akin to piracy and stealing.
@@taloscalYep, pretty much. The whole permission arc happened because of Capcom striking Mio's channel because she played Ghost Trick without permissions. And even more, the same Capcom has now taken a ridiculous stance against mods in their games, saying it can potentially tarnish the game's and the company's reputations.
Cover knew exactly to not put themselves in potential danger by denying the talents to play with mods.
@@taloscal
True... For Japan.
For America?... USA gaming companies don't give a shit about using or not using Mods for vods/streams as long as it isn't hacks/cheats for MMOs or PVP games.
@@kats1646
Funny thing is... Modding isn't illegal in America, so Capcom's dumb ass stance has no real authority beyond bans.
That said... It's not a loss. I have other games to buy that isn't from Capcom.
@@kats1646 was one of the 'thesis list' of reasons Niji gave for getting rid of Zaion too.
I imagine its more of an issue for the Western side though as the modding scene in JP in general isn't that big, over here in the west some games can last for decades due to mods though (things like Total War Medieval 2, Skyrim, Garry's Mod and Left4Dead are still going strong as a result of them) and in some cases the mods actually fix game-breaking bugs and glitches to make the game play better or be better optimised.
I do remember the Mio moment with Capcom though as it had quite the fallout, with her being put on pause until the situation settled down along with quite a few members getting their archived vids panic-purged in-case it affected them too... some members like Subaru losing chunks of vids from their early days.
JP companies take copyright and permission VERY seriously as a result, and things like mods are very risky as a result of that in-case it damages relationships between them.
It's pretty understandable at this point that if you want to do your own thing and not play by any rule modern Hololive is not the place to do that anymore for better or for worse.
Well at this point Hololive is a famous brand and since Cover select talents not just for popularity the ones that join gains more from Hololive compared to what they can give to Hololive when they join, being part of Hololive is basically a success guarantee compared with going indie
@@holow3038
As Connor (CdawgVA) stated... You can ride the ship to the end if you make it into Hololive.
But of course... RUclips and Twitch is much bigger and just "making it into Hololive" is not enough to retain/to grow as a Channel.
@@holow3038 i wouldn't say guaranteed. But more like a boost. And it is not easy to make it into hololive
Rules are great things, a lot of past drama could've been easily avoided if there's more rules, like Rushia, the dumbass used private Steam account for stream, which led to her private friend messaged her during stream, which was 100% her fault for being so careless
I think that's not the reason though lol. It's more like she tried to save herself in exchange of potentially endangering everyone's personal infos. All she had to do was to stay quiet.
Management staff will jump in and cover their ass if needed.... huh ? Cover is not black vtuber company?
the strictniess might burn out alot
It's a Job don't forget it and that's why they need rules
causing burn out and probaly graduation@@holow3038
@@holow3038
Depends on the rules... But as long as it doesn't restrict creative endeavour. Then professional rules are fine.
Unlike Nijisanji EN Management.
@@holow3038 hololive did somehow burned up, but they willing continue their jobs. Unlike Nijisanji's talents, they're burned up mostly and quit the job because of the bad management
I think I'm in the minority here but, I'd like if Hololive was more strict with the amount of times the talents have to stream. Considering that sometimes some of them just disappear all of a sudden for a long time without saying a word.
And if that's too much to ask then just a tweet saying they're taking a break for sometime but will come back would be good enough
I more agree with the latter than the former. Even if said talent doesnt want us to know why they are going on break exactly, letting us know what streaming will be like for a while would be nice
shots fired
I rather not force the talents to stream. It's a cancer to creativity.
But a heads up before dipping out for a month is certainly a requirement.
Hm...hard...I wouldn't want them to be forced to stream. If they get a regular payment, yes that will be fair, but since they earn of success, you can't really do that. They only earn money when they stream/create content.
@@OlafJorigson
Getting paid on RUclips or on Twitch at this scale with all the Percent Cuts by all parties. Is whack in terms of what talents can actually pocket as profit.
It's not a lot really... Since most of it ends up as funds for projects and expenses etc.
Boo drama.
Well it was good while it lasted goodbye hololive
United statians would say being stricter is damaging to their freedom, and thus continue making dumb mistakes and never learning, how do you hope to rule for as long as the roman empire again?
Sorry oddly placed ramble...
Would you prefer a dictatorship?... Human.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 there are many other forms of government in between dictatorships and having your country in a civil war every 4 years because of bad and unclear choices of presidents, contitutional monarchies and whatever they do in china come to mind. But i guess the usa is quite limited in their choices... good luck though
@@EmptyKing23
True... But I know the ultimatum... It always somehow ends with Tyranny.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 yes, and that’s (hopefully) what we're always trying to avoid, but when i look at constitutional monarchies like the uk and japan it makes me think of how different things could have been for brazil if the republic wasn't proclaimed, depriving us of our greatest emperor and letting oligarchies manipulate the elections for the longest time, i suppose it all comes down to me envying the usa and how they made their election sistem reliable while brazil will always be a "country of the future" while longing for what we had before...
Sorry, sounds like i'm just going through it, always good to have a place to dump all these thoughts on, not that a vtuber clip is the right place for it...
@@EmptyKing23
Humanity is an odd creation of Free Will. Even for me, to question Mankind in their pursuit of meaning.
(... I can only observe and to hope. Given the End...)
So weird seeing people try and act like they're morally superior (aka virtue signalling) when saying Hololive is the good and Nijisanji is the bad.
They're not different places, folks. Stop trying to appear superior, it's so strange and unnecessary. The talents don't see things that way at all, neither should you.
wym i feel like it's common knowledge at this point that holo is so much better culture/treatment of talents than niji it's not even comparable
@@TritonzAnime Niji livers love being in Nijisanji (when they're not being fired for inappropriate behavior). Niji ID and KR absolutely have gotten shafted, but so did Holo CN. Also one of Holo's biggest streamers left because of the strictness.
It's delusional to think Hololive is completely perfect and the talents have no problems whatsoever, when we literally have Pekora who's cried and taken a break because she wasn't allowed to do a big event for her birthday(?) some time back and their most influential tallent left. And who knows what else happens in the background
Not the same ma dude , also Niji fans used to say that Hololive was bad because it was too strict, ironic how things changed and now that's why people is signalling them and with good reasons sadly
@@PurpletridentNot according to past niji livers like gibara or waraneda and gundou who have alluded nijisanji as some sort of prisonnot to mention comments made mysta and nina. Nobody is saying that Hololive is perfect but its dumb to think that they are on the same level as nijisanji currently
@@Purpletrident You really dont like the idea of Cover being better than other companies, huh?
what drama?