I love how there are no crewman in the background in this scene. It's almost like they all went "The blind guy and his robot are shooting guns near the warp core today. Fuck this, I'm calling in sick."
That's funny. I was about to comment that I just noticed they're firing this thing directly at the warp core. You'd think they'd have a lab set up to play with this stuff? And where's the engineering console that was in the middle of the floor that Barclay was always late to? So many questions.
@@DavidAWA Well, there's bigotry and then there's common sense. It's kinda like taking a "wild guess" as to who would be trying to ruin Chinese-Western relations in the 1930s. Hint: it rhymes with "Land of the Rising Fun".
@@DavidAWA Geordi didn't say all Romulans were evil saboteurs / secret agents. That would be bigotry. What he said was that the Romulan Star Empire has the most to gain from a war between the Federation and Klingons.
"Data, where could we possibly do a weapons test? What do you think? The Hollodec?" No Geordie, that would be way to safe and reasonable. Let us do it next to the warp-core in case something goes wrong and it hits it it will eventually kill us all"
"Let us also mount the weapon on a slightly off-centre stack of random boxes and not put up any hazard barriers to prevent other crew members from walking past and knocking the weapon over whilst it fires a continuous energy beam directly into sensitive equipment. This will almost assuredly increase the risk of the weapon burning straight through one of these many very important consoles and/or the bulkhead, causing considerable damage and possibly, fatalities." "Do you think maybe we should do the test in the cargo bay or something so that we have more space and are away from other crewmen trying to do their job in engineering? Maybe we could even angle the beam straight through the force field that covers the back end of the bay, so that it's firing into the vacuum of space instead?" "I do not believe so Commander. This weapon is clearly an illegal and possibly cheaply made knock-off. It is possible that its power source may be dangerous or otherwise not designed for this intended purpose, not to mention the possibility of potential booby traps that may cause the weapon to overload once we start fiddling around with it, so we must position it as close to the warp core as possible, in the event of it self-destructing. " "Well if you say so." Starfleet at it's finest.
My left eye started twitching at 1:22, when LaForge walked right into the rifle's line of fire and leaned against the target to converse with Data. If you did something like that at a real firing range any competent range officer would ream you out for it. Especially since this isn't like a projectile rifle, where you can at least make sure it's empty before chatting with your fellow officer in front of it.
"So would this be a good time to give the rest of the engineering team a day off?" "Well Geordi, this does seem like an excellent time to do that, since we certainly do not want anyone to help us in case this experiment goes poorly, and the reactor is damaged. Those engineers will appreciate the rest, even if it is cut short by a core breach, and the ship being destroyed."
In the DS9 episode "Empok Nor" a security officer flags one of her coworkers with her rifle. He points out correctly that it was a stupid thing to do, but she responds "but the safety was on."
The way they tested that rifle is so unsafe it makes the Empire jealous. Five OSHA inspectors had to be sedated after watching this scene; one never recovered.
A sixth OSHA inspector was found to have been driven to such duress and anguish from this scene that they committed suicide by throwing themselves off that stupid catwalk inside the Death Star laser.
Data stands behind the equipment right in line with the weapon's beam; Geordi shuts off the beam and then stands right in the line of fire if it should reactivate. I think those two gentlemen need a little gun safety training.
They need their asses kicked by a Gunny. And you know, now that I think of it, crusty old chiefs were almost totally missing from Star Trek. There was Chief O'Brian, and. . . . who else? Scotty was Chief of Engineering, but he was a Lt. Commander. O'Brian was far from crusty, he was a leprechaun with mad engineering skills. It's like noncoms and enlisted didn't exist. Sure, you saw red shirts by the score, but how many times did you ever hear any of them called by rank or rating? You had this basically Navy starship with 5 or 6 hundred souls aboard and a gigantic officer corps on top, but is seemed once you hit ensign you were done. Yeoman Rand, the lady with the crush on Kirk from STTOS is the only enlisted I can think of.
I've had an accidental discharge. A .45ACP, no less. It's a real eye-opening experience. God smiled on a fool that day, I'm here to tell ya! I'm Uber careful handling even disassembled guns now
@@winstonsyme7672 They said it was the crystal that control the energy conversion to the phaser beam. Being more efficient would mean the power source would run out slower.... seems like a marked improvement to me! The crazy thing is that Geordi and Data knew what to look for which means the Federation could also make a better weapon but they just choose not to?
@@thecheesecakeman Every weapon is a question of effectiveness versus cost. Federation just didn't see the additional efficiency being worth the additional cost.
You also have to take into account, the federation hadnt had a large scale conflict in like 80 years at this point, there was no need to have the rifle so efficient, there would have been no real need until half way through DS9
You'd think on a ship the size of the Enterprise they'd have a spot somewhere to use for testing a phaser rifle that was more convenient than right in the middle of engineering.
honestly i am under the impersion that engineering was the best place to set up testing as they could montor everything with all the proper equiment all in one location. i know its stretch but yeah thats my explantion.
Yeah they should have locked out that area with fencing at least LOL. At work they are testing equipment to see if it is properly grounded, it is all fenced off. Anybody could have walked into that rifle beam...
TheweGuy You would be right, but pretty much any SF ship would have an armory, and in the armory they would be able to test weapons safely and correctly, and you wouldn't have the Chief Engineer be testing it. You would have Worf, or another weapons expert testing it.
Well the issue is that unlike the Federation who uses Matter/Antimatter Reactors to power their energy grids and ships, the Romulans use the energy pulses off of a minute Artificial Singularity which gives off larger bursts of power. Unlike the Federation who must continously mine dilithium and create antimatter, the Romulans only need Deuterium to power their Ships.....
Exactly. And then Geordi walks into the path of the still mounted phaser! Do they have zero safety regulations!? Why would you do these checks in front of the warp core anyway? At least they are facing away from it.
@@billyboblillybob344 Data flat out remarks that Geordie's vision is superior. The visor can see down to molecular levels, Data cannot. It can also detect certain energy waves that Data is unable to detect. That is objectively better vision.
@@toatahu2003 The only reason I doubt you is that I don't recall where any such in depth comparisons were made. Can you refer to an episode or movie where this is made clear?
billybob lillybob I remember this came up in the episode where Starfleet was trying to get Data to consent to an upgrade that could permanently damage him and he had to go to court to fight for his rights as an individual. Riker was assigned as opposing counsel. But he compared the update to all the crew being forced to upgrade to Geordie's visor. Just because it's objectively superior does not mean the individual would prefer it.
Everyone relax, I'm sure Geordi initiated a level 10 containment field around the test area, so you needn't be worried about the rifle somehow breaching the core & turning the Enterprise into a grey confetti cloud of debris.
'There are 327 known systems that utilise this form of energy charging technique. We must perform a thorough computer exa...' 'Or we could just blame the Romulans? 'Yeah that sounds good to me, we'll do that.'
They could have tried to perform the detailed match to the energy setup directly to the Romulans first, see if there is a match (there is), and let the computer run the rest of the scans afterward to see if there are other options.
@Todd Kes They may have done that offscreen before going straight to the Klingons with the information. I think Geordi just wanted to narrow down their search so they could start with the most probable candidate (the Romulans).
The point of Geordi's comment about using some common sense was actually quite simply saying that the Romulans were the only logical ones that would benefit from a conflict between the Federation and The Klingon Empire
+Haaris Qureshi If it wasn't for the ominous background music, I would completely agree with you. With the music, it looks like he's brainwashed and about to attack. I don't remember the context of the episode, so I actually expected him to grab the gun and shoot the klingons.
When spiner tilts his head after telling Geordi what the normal rate is….. brilliant acting. This scene, the nerd chemistry between the two of them is off the charts! Why couldn’t there have been more episodes that were at this level, why did it all end so soon? You’ve gotta feel sorry for the people were born after all of this, and yet, they have their own shows.
Not to mention that Geordi actually walks INTO the phaser's line of fire after the second test. Even if the phaser was set to some form of trace mode, that's still asking for trouble if the thing malfunctions or something.
Karl The Fragr the only way a beam can be visible is by instantly heating up and/or ionizing any particles it encounters. Like a flashlight in a dusty basement, only a thousand times more intense. If you can see it, you best not be ANYWHERE near it. At least, that's how it would be in the real world
For all the people complaining about the lack of safety regulations, keep in mind this is consistent with Starfleet standards. The bridge instruments could have a fuse easily installed to neutralize them, yet dozens of red shirts die each year when their panels explode.
This would have been better done in the cargo bay. The film crew must have had the big set occupied by a holodeck or a cave set at the time this was made. They really didn't have many options before Season 5. They also used the Engine Room as a gym. Sick Bay was the same set as the Observation Lounge, with the windows covered, and two walls changed. They also used the Bridge set in almost every single episode.
Sickbay was it's own set from season 2 onwards, as for the Battle Bridge, that set (In my opinion) holds the record for the most redresses in Star Trek History, Starting off with the Battle Bridge and ending as the Bridge of the Pasteur in All Good things, Look it up if you want a complete list of all of the redresses.
Just at that moment, Reginald Barclay enters engineering, distracted whilst reading fanfic on his PADD. "Lieu..." "Let it happen, Data. *Let it happen*."
If this was a real weapon, that would not have mattered, especially since it was a malfunctioning one. Rule 1 of gun safety: treat every weapon as loaded. And it was loaded here. And firing.
Anyone else started getting anxiety when Geordi decided to just casually stand and hang out right in front of the rifle. Not even a little to the left, just literally on target. If anything went wrong, that thing could've just point blank'd him.
Great idea guys, doing tests on a high energy weapon next to the warp core! I’m pretty sure that a Galaxy class starship would have dedicated labs for them to conduct their experiments. Clearly it’s true what they say, just because you’re academically gifted doesn’t mean that you possess common sense. In fact Star Trek is full of examples that prove this. I’d say that this is a massive floor in the academy’s entrance requirements.
Star Trek The New Generation has aged like fine wine only gets better with age. I doubt very much that people will be watching Discovery and Picard in 30 years time!
Hey, at my old workplace, we were also Engineers in an Engine Room. We poured water into running Engines, set off explosives to sheer off the fan blades as the Engine ran, and even used high-pressure air to fire pheasants into them while the Engines were running at max continuous thrust. Firing deadly weapons in the Warp Engine Room? Sounds legit. Nice to see accurate depictions of my job being depicted as Standard operating procedure in the 24th century.
Techno babble means they are trying to sciency up this science fiction program, better than discovery which is like magic. The science in this show was often wonky (i remember in Casino Royale when Geordie says the temperature is -300 Celcius) but it still managed to create a framework for the reality depicted in the show.
MegaJoules/s is the same as MegaWatts per second. Basically as much power output from the 'battery' as a 1500HP switcher locomotive would give! Destroy a house with ease. And how did the target not get super hot as it was firing?
+danwat1234 Megawatts per second would be a measure for how quickly the power increases. Megajoules per second is the same as megawatts, NOT megawatts _per second._
theuncalledfor right I meant to say Megajoules not MJ/s because MJoule is Mwatt seconds. I don't understand the first sentence of your post. Reminds me of calculus position->velocity->acceleration
+danwat1234 A joule is a unit of energy. A watt is a unit of power, that is, energy over time. One watt equals one joule per second. Watts per second would be a measure of an increase in power. One watt per second means that power increases by one watt every second. Example: You start with 10 watts. You apply 3 watts per second for ten seconds. At the end, you have 40 watts. "Mega" is just a number, It means one million. Megawatt = one million watts, etc.
LaForge: Hey, Data, let's test fire up this bad boy and see if we can unravel this mystery. Data: Excellent idea, Geordi. Riker: EXCUSE ME LaForge, would you two take that blasted thing off the bridge?
Love how Data just calmly stands behind the device receiving the phaser beam. Pretty darn confident. Not to mention testing a weapon in engineering right near the warp core, like it seems many people here have observed. ;)
@@balibee91 That's actually the "real world" Engineering, if I remember correctly. Why would they go to the trouble of simulating Engineering when they have Engineering right there? Or is that part of the joke? 🙃😎 PS: Don't make me bust out my blu-rays. 😜
Hi I got a great idea. Let's test a death ray in the engine room with the beam really far from the target so anyone walking around in the room could get cut in half if they weren't paying attention. God forbid we perhaps try this in the armory, in a practice range, or perhaps on the holodeck isolated from other people. Seriously, did OSHA regulations not make it this far into the future?
95% of comments are about gun safty. 5% of comments is about other. Went down into the comment section thinking I would see conversations about the episode like I do other clips. Bad mistake.
yeah i mean i feel like now i cant watch this scene the same way anymore lol. to be fair i never noticed anything wrong and honestly while i can see where people are coming from i kind of feel like unless people mentioned it i would have never noticed( and this is one reason why i have no interest in ever using and owning a gun)
Now I'm not a NRA member, but I was in the Army. They were very insistent on weapons safety. Now that you mention the episode, it's surprising that La Forge didn't kill attempt to kill all of the Klingons when he had a perfectly useful Phaser Rifle right there. He could have grabbed it, set to maximum discharge, and just wiped everyone out, except for the traitor controlling him, of course. Getting back to the gun safety stuff, I'm honestly glad that they noticed it, as they give me hope that those who own weapons will do so responsibly and safely. They give me some hope for humanity, as those who eat tide pods on a dare attempt to destroy it.
Maybe. But this just shows Starfleet's lack of forethought. A Weapon like this would've helped immensely, especially during the Dominion War. Less Power Cell usage.
Remember when VW exhaust systems could tell an emission test was being conducted and adjust accordingly? It's be a cool plot for something similar: test being conducted? Federation energy readings? No Romulans around? Self destruct! I think something similar was done in the Xindi arc of Enterprise
Am I the only person who upon seeing a phaser rifle being utilized in the immediate vicinity of a warp core thought, ''guess health and safety isn't what it used to be?'' You would think with a vessel the size of the Enterprise D, that they would have done this in a cargo bay or someplace, wherein, if the energy cell had overloaded, it would not potentially have taken out the ship in the process. Having just noticed the other replies ... clearly, I'm not alone. Does this entitle me to graduation from Starfleet Academies ''what not to do next to an active warp core'' class?
Question: shouldn't LaForge and Data perform this dangerous experiment within of the Enterprise-Ds many science labs, instead of near the ship's warp core? Inquiring minds want to know 🤦♂️
Geordi sighting the rifle is just ridiculously hilarious. Almost as hilarious as those episodes where he did data analysis of the videos of a mission😂 like why, just why TNG writers
It's likely that, on the lowest setting, the phaser wouldn't be strong enough to hurt the equipment. It is, after all, only intended to stun someone, which, depending on the species, doesn't take much.
I feel like there should be come kind of safety measure or at least a rope to prevent people from accidentally walking into the beam. Workplace accidents must be a serious issue around these two. Someone call OSHA.
If this were Nu-Trek they would have used their Spore Drive for… some reason meanwhile meeting their quota for their 5th “all for one, heartwarming team spirit” scene for the day.
To beam down a crate full of Federation phasers and phaser rifles down to the planet's surface to make the Klingon governor once again think that the Federation was providing the rebels with weapons and inflaming tensions between the Federation and the Klingons.
Yes, let's test a phaser rifle next to matter-antimatter reactor. If anything goes wrong, we might release the antimatter into the ship's atmosphere. Safety always comes first
Because how dare you criticise the logic of TNG, this show is perfect and everything after it sucks because it contradicts the perfection that is this nineties workplace drama.
also aim it at the warp core so that if that test block falls out of place the phaser will shoot straight at the core; since it is of suspicious design: with any luck, the phaser will also malfunction and overcharge to maximum setting
My thougjys exactly. Don't they have a lab cargo bay or something they could do this in? Not right next to the most tempermental warpcore in the entire federation...
I know it was faster and cheaper to do this scene in engineering, but would it have been so difficult to roll the biobeds out of sickbay, set up a console to block the signage, and called it "Science Lab 4" or something?
Almost all of the comments are about gun safety and about the choice of where they were conducting the tests. Couple of things to consider: There's no one else in engineering aside from Geordie and Data. That tells me they cleared out everyone else while they conducted the tests. Data is an android, which is why he's on the opposite end. If he made the mistake of walking in front of the beam, it probably wouldn't have done anything to him. While I will agree that engineering is probably not best place to conduct this type of test, my guess is that they put up forcefields in case of a ricochet.
They accused the Romulan Star Empire without testing all possibilities, skipping over the 3 hour long search and potentially starting an intergalactic war. As any Vulcan would say, "highly illogical".
Actually I am not sure they did. If you had a flower and you didn't know what it was Googling would get you an answer but would take time. If you suspected it was a rodendendron then you would just Google rodedendron. So I suspect that they just compared the phaser to Romulan technology first - and would have done the search if their suppition proved incorrect.
@@danielyeshe That would just mean that the weapon was BASED on Romulan technology, not that the Romulans were necessarily behind it. For example, in Star Trek the Klingon cloaking device is based on the Romulan cloaking device. By your analogy they would look at a Klingon cloaking device and say "Romulans!"
Out of all the labs, holodecks and various other safe areas on the ship, they choose to fire a phaser rifle next to warp core? Without the blast door down, or even mention of a force field around the core. I'm sure that Worf could have lent them a rifle range.
Romulan-made knockoffs of Federation rifles have all the same functions and features but also "efficiency well above Starfleet specifications". Is Romulan weapon technology more advanced? (Ignoring arguments about unsafe idiots doing weapon tests in the engine room, already been said a few dozen times.)
Romulans apparently suffer from a scarcity of resources. Or at least an acute consciousness of limited resources. (Even though the Romulan Star Empire is vast enough to have many abundant worlds.) TNG Romulans sometimes fixate on the idea of obtaining "unlimited power sources".
"Hey, we're on a giant starship. Where in this immense vessel should we test this highly destructive energy weapon?" "Right next to the antimatter reactor that's so volatile it'll explode if you sneeze on it too hard." "Nothing can go wrong with this plan."
Oh yeah! Anyone who knows anything about firearms safety or has been to a firing range knows that Data should not be down range, much less standing in the line of fire.
rredhawk the downrange part didnt bother me because phasers are energy projectors and have no, or nearly no, recoil. Or shot spread. And this one was tight-mounted. Just the line-of-fire part bugged me. S:
rredhawk what REALLY set me off was thme firing it right next to a fucking warp core.... Its like having a firing range next to an ammonium-nitrate storage facility...
"My spine is composed of a polyalloy, designed to withstand extreme stress. You appear to lack one altogether. Perhaps I can synthesize you one...when you are ready." *returns to passive-aggressively typing on datapad*
Yeah, I am super smart android. I think I stand in front of the phaser beam that is only being blocked by this device. Device that is on top of random box, held in place only by gravity, in artificial gravity environment.
im trying to tell myself that they're actually in the holodeck, and just picked engineering as the setting since it already comes with all the instrument panels they need to confirm findings... but even with that stretch of imagination, Data should NOT be standing on the side of the rifle where the laser is coming out!
So... anyone can walk in between the middle... the gun could misfire and shoot through the barrier or fire at the control panel or penetrate the warp core or breach the anti-matter containers. Genius.
What happens if the stun trigger is broken? What happens if it overloads? What happens if it's booby trapped? There's no excuse for mishandling weapons, future tech, past tech, ancient or otherwise.
this dialog ? from i could tell 80% of it were "techno babble" which is in the other opposite end of hyper drama.. neither are good for the long run...
Elhanan Maayan This is not technobabble, at least not 80%. Technobabble means that it is neither based on real world science nor previously established rules. Batteries getting discharged when you use them is real world science.
This is your idea of a genius dialogue? You have low standards. This dialogue is fine but there is technobabble and subterfuge in Discovery, too. It's not exactly mindblowing and I don't see the difference. Unless of course you have a problem with something else.
What i find interesting about this episode is how Geordie is programmed only to do specific tasks at specific times not to aid the Romulan cause generally, the episode shows him helping the investigation against him and here with the weapon.
I love how there are no crewman in the background in this scene. It's almost like they all went "The blind guy and his robot are shooting guns near the warp core today. Fuck this, I'm calling in sick."
dude your comment made me LOL big time
That's funny. I was about to comment that I just noticed they're firing this thing directly at the warp core. You'd think they'd have a lab set up to play with this stuff? And where's the engineering console that was in the middle of the floor that Barclay was always late to? So many questions.
Calling in sick won't help much if the ship goes KABOOM!
@@mdteletom1288 You can see the Engineering Coffee Table at 0:14 behind Data and the magic phaser rifle target.
I also couldn't help noticing that both sides of the setup seem to be placed on top of a stack of random boxes
"The search will take approximately 3 hours."
*"But there's only 10 minutes left in the episode."*
"Romulans?"
*"Romulans"*
I think we can narrow this down with some bigotry.
@@DavidAWA Well, there's bigotry and then there's common sense. It's kinda like taking a "wild guess" as to who would be trying to ruin Chinese-Western relations in the 1930s. Hint: it rhymes with "Land of the Rising Fun".
@@DavidAWA lol, underrated comment
They have to make LaForge good for something. Data can do all the engineering work much better and faster than anyone else.
@@DavidAWA Geordi didn't say all Romulans were evil saboteurs / secret agents. That would be bigotry. What he said was that the Romulan Star Empire has the most to gain from a war between the Federation and Klingons.
they were going to lower the blast door to at least shield the warp core but every time they tried Geordie would dramatically roll under it.
that's probably why the warp core ejection system never works, the shutters jammed by Geordie rolling back and forth under it!
sometimes not even under it... just near it lol
Geordie escapes from the Borg with the efficiency of a Power Ranger!
IN BEFORE THE LOCK.
lol
You know what... I was beginning to wonder if I was the only person in "Star trek nation" that noticed that ! (LOL)
"Data, where could we possibly do a weapons test? What do you think? The Hollodec?"
No Geordie, that would be way to safe and reasonable. Let us do it next to the warp-core in case something goes wrong and it hits it it will eventually kill us all"
"Let us also mount the weapon on a slightly off-centre stack of random boxes and not put up any hazard barriers to prevent other crew members from walking past and knocking the weapon over whilst it fires a continuous energy beam directly into sensitive equipment. This will almost assuredly increase the risk of the weapon burning straight through one of these many very important consoles and/or the bulkhead, causing considerable damage and possibly, fatalities."
"Do you think maybe we should do the test in the cargo bay or something so that we have more space and are away from other crewmen trying to do their job in engineering? Maybe we could even angle the beam straight through the force field that covers the back end of the bay, so that it's firing into the vacuum of space instead?"
"I do not believe so Commander. This weapon is clearly an illegal and possibly cheaply made knock-off. It is possible that its power source may be dangerous or otherwise not designed for this intended purpose, not to mention the possibility of potential booby traps that may cause the weapon to overload once we start fiddling around with it, so we must position it as close to the warp core as possible, in the event of it self-destructing. "
"Well if you say so."
Starfleet at it's finest.
My left eye started twitching at 1:22, when LaForge walked right into the rifle's line of fire and leaned against the target to converse with Data. If you did something like that at a real firing range any competent range officer would ream you out for it. Especially since this isn't like a projectile rifle, where you can at least make sure it's empty before chatting with your fellow officer in front of it.
Star Trek characters routinely point deadly weapons at each other (phasers)
"So would this be a good time to give the rest of the engineering team a day off?" "Well Geordi, this does seem like an excellent time to do that, since we certainly do not want anyone to help us in case this experiment goes poorly, and the reactor is damaged. Those engineers will appreciate the rest, even if it is cut short by a core breach, and the ship being destroyed."
In the DS9 episode "Empok Nor" a security officer flags one of her coworkers with her rifle. He points out correctly that it was a stupid thing to do, but she responds "but the safety was on."
The way they tested that rifle is so unsafe it makes the Empire jealous. Five OSHA inspectors had to be sedated after watching this scene; one never recovered.
A sixth OSHA inspector was found to have been driven to such duress and anguish from this scene that they committed suicide by throwing themselves off that stupid catwalk inside the Death Star laser.
As a health and safety rep, it's making me a fair bit twitchy too. Like, don't they have an actual firing range on this bucket? Or even the holodeck?
@@selinesbeau - Exactly. Surely there's a cargo space where they could put a durable target up and lock the door and test it there.
And millions of Engineers, Factory workers, Truckers, etc, were seen dancing as they rejoiced.
Yes the warp core the best place to test extremely deadly weapons
Data stands behind the equipment right in line with the weapon's beam; Geordi shuts off the beam and then stands right in the line of fire if it should reactivate. I think those two gentlemen need a little gun safety training.
They need their asses kicked by a Gunny. And you know, now that I think of it, crusty old chiefs were almost totally missing from Star Trek. There was Chief O'Brian, and. . . . who else? Scotty was Chief of Engineering, but he was a Lt. Commander. O'Brian was far from crusty, he was a leprechaun with mad engineering skills.
It's like noncoms and enlisted didn't exist. Sure, you saw red shirts by the score, but how many times did you ever hear any of them called by rank or rating? You had this basically Navy starship with 5 or 6 hundred souls aboard and a gigantic officer corps on top, but is seemed once you hit ensign you were done. Yeoman Rand, the lady with the crush on Kirk from STTOS is the only enlisted I can think of.
They were testing it in the engine room with the warp core in line of fire. Slightly larger issue than basic safety training covers.
@@deadlypandaghost LOL A very good point as well.
I've had an accidental discharge. A .45ACP, no less. It's a real eye-opening experience.
God smiled on a fool that day, I'm here to tell ya!
I'm Uber careful handling even disassembled guns now
@@ernesthill4017 LOL Had a 12 ga do something similar once. It's an eye opener, isn't it?!?
Ironic how the Romulans made Star Fleet weapons more efficient than Star Fleet themselves.
I dunno. In science it's historically common that someone else comes along and improves an invention.
It wasn't the phaser that was better. The battery charger they used was just more powerful than the one the federation uses to charge them.
@@winstonsyme7672 They said it was the crystal that control the energy conversion to the phaser beam. Being more efficient would mean the power source would run out slower.... seems like a marked improvement to me! The crazy thing is that Geordi and Data knew what to look for which means the Federation could also make a better weapon but they just choose not to?
@@thecheesecakeman Every weapon is a question of effectiveness versus cost. Federation just didn't see the additional efficiency being worth the additional cost.
You also have to take into account, the federation hadnt had a large scale conflict in like 80 years at this point, there was no need to have the rifle so efficient, there would have been no real need until half way through DS9
You'd think on a ship the size of the Enterprise they'd have a spot somewhere to use for testing a phaser rifle that was more convenient than right in the middle of engineering.
honestly i am under the impersion that engineering was the best place to set up testing as they could montor everything with all the proper equiment all in one location. i know its stretch but yeah thats my explantion.
True, you really want that things being fired only feet away from the warp core reaction chamber?
Yeah they should have locked out that area with fencing at least LOL. At work they are testing equipment to see if it is properly grounded, it is all fenced off.
Anybody could have walked into that rifle beam...
All of Ya'll make me laugh. I agree 100% with what is said. Yeah, reserve the "Weapon Testing Range" ... smh !!!
TheweGuy You would be right, but pretty much any SF ship would have an armory, and in the armory they would be able to test weapons safely and correctly, and you wouldn't have the Chief Engineer be testing it. You would have Worf, or another weapons expert testing it.
"This must be a Romulan plot. Our shitty ass rifles are nowhere near this good!"
This is what we get for contracting out to Lego.
Well the issue is that unlike the Federation who uses Matter/Antimatter Reactors to power their energy grids and ships, the Romulans use the energy pulses off of a minute Artificial Singularity which gives off larger bursts of power. Unlike the Federation who must continously mine dilithium and create antimatter, the Romulans only need Deuterium to power their Ships.....
@@Ami-vh7sr With an advantage like that they should be building hundreds of ships. Throw in cloaks.
@@Parasmunt how else do you think that the Romulan Empire has lasted as long as a major power in the Quadrant?
Zero fire range safety rules followed.
Star Trek Enterprise had a better gun safety record.
For one thing, they had an armoury. And a guard outside.
And Picard walks around the corner at just the wrong time
Had a minor heart attack at 0:59 when Geordi turned the beam back on while data was standing behind that device.
Exactly. And then Geordi walks into the path of the still mounted phaser! Do they have zero safety regulations!? Why would you do these checks in front of the warp core anyway? At least they are facing away from it.
I got real nervous when Geordi has his hands right where the target is. Wonder how the target is cooled with so much power going into it..
Best part is the blind man sighting the rifle and not the perfectionist android
Technically, Geordie can see even better than Data...
@@toatahu2003 Technically, he sees differently than Data. Better is speculative unless there is some canon that spells it out.
@@billyboblillybob344 Data flat out remarks that Geordie's vision is superior. The visor can see down to molecular levels, Data cannot. It can also detect certain energy waves that Data is unable to detect. That is objectively better vision.
@@toatahu2003 The only reason I doubt you is that I don't recall where any such in depth comparisons were made. Can you refer to an episode or movie where this is made clear?
billybob lillybob I remember this came up in the episode where Starfleet was trying to get Data to consent to an upgrade that could permanently damage him and he had to go to court to fight for his rights as an individual. Riker was assigned as opposing counsel.
But he compared the update to all the crew being forced to upgrade to Geordie's visor. Just because it's objectively superior does not mean the individual would prefer it.
Everyone relax, I'm sure Geordi initiated a level 10 containment field around the test area, so you needn't be worried about the rifle somehow breaching the core & turning the Enterprise into a grey confetti cloud of debris.
Yo this comment is so underrated XD
Isn't it a little dangerous to fire a phaser rifle right next to an antimatter powered warp core?
At least they had it firing away from the warp core and not toward it.
Thats no comfort!
This is Star Trek logic, goes out the window. Like why would they have exploding computers?
because power is routed to them and when there surges things blow up! duh
Not as dangerous as data standing in front of the gun's muzzle. even if it is tied down to something that is generally a big no no.
'There are 327 known systems that utilise this form of energy charging technique. We must perform a thorough computer exa...'
'Or we could just blame the Romulans?
'Yeah that sounds good to me, we'll do that.'
They could have tried to perform the detailed match to the energy setup directly to the Romulans first, see if there is a match (there is), and let the computer run the rest of the scans afterward to see if there are other options.
@Todd Kes They may have done that offscreen before going straight to the Klingons with the information. I think Geordi just wanted to narrow down their search so they could start with the most probable candidate (the Romulans).
The point of Geordi's comment about using some common sense was actually quite simply saying that the Romulans were the only logical ones that would benefit from a conflict between the Federation and The Klingon Empire
It's the Romulans, you can always count on them to be plotting something or other.
That’s racial profiling!
Everyone is talking about firing a weapon next to the warp core, I’m more concerned about how casually Gerodie walks right in front of the firing zone
Out of context, this just looks like Geordie gets bored really easy like 'blah blah blah Romulans and Klingons'
Haaris Qureshi We're gonna need a video of that!
+Haaris Qureshi
If it wasn't for the ominous background music, I would completely agree with you.
With the music, it looks like he's brainwashed and about to attack.
I don't remember the context of the episode, so I actually expected him to grab the gun and shoot the klingons.
the context was gerodie was being brainwashed to eventually just do that lol.
Someone needs to edit the audio on this so when it shows Geordi's perspective we hear the "wah wah wah" from Charlie Brown.
Or just dare I say it... A shite actor!
I love how they are testing this thing RIGHT NEXT TO THE WARP CORE.
and Data stands in the line of fire too 0:59
@@alrocky and then laforge stands in front of it after shutting it off lol. Crew needs to undergo another star fleet safety protocol session
Just about to say that too
When spiner tilts his head after telling Geordi what the normal rate is….. brilliant acting. This scene, the nerd chemistry between the two of them is off the charts! Why couldn’t there have been more episodes that were at this level, why did it all end so soon? You’ve gotta feel sorry for the people were born after all of this, and yet, they have their own shows.
Star fleet health and safety must have had a field trip when they read the report of how they did this test
🤣
Thirty years ago, we had sci-fi writers who were ignorant of basic firearm safety. Now, we have sci-fi writers who are ignorant of basic science...
No firearme safety? Ok its the times Standard excuseble
no basic science? Guess who only writes without thougt?
@@garank4971 It's true, though. Nu Trek is a joke
@@SonofTiamat look major grin hes great about finding thise profanitys and ripp off
@@SonofTiamat I really like New Trek.
I loved the “weapons room”...
Regarding safety, even aside from the location of the test, we see Data standing downrange on a hot range, while firing is going on.
Not to mention that Geordi actually walks INTO the phaser's line of fire after the second test. Even if the phaser was set to some form of trace mode, that's still asking for trouble if the thing malfunctions or something.
Karl The Fragr the only way a beam can be visible is by instantly heating up and/or ionizing any particles it encounters. Like a flashlight in a dusty basement, only a thousand times more intense.
If you can see it, you best not be ANYWHERE near it.
At least, that's how it would be in the real world
Unlike for a human, a hole made through Data would not hurt and can easily be repaired.
Not to mention the phase rifle and target appear to be on top of some stacked boxes they'd found lying around
@@CynicalOldDwarf Wheeled boxes, so if anyone bumps either setup, either the receiver is out of line, or the phaser fire wanders
In case anyone is interested, a 100kWh battery pack from a Tesla Model S could power that phaser for about 5 and a half minutes.
I was wondering, thank you. ;-)
Does it also catch on fire randomly?
@@Splatterpunk_OldNewYork I see what you did there, lol.
Power a starship for about 1/500th of a second :P
@@Splatterpunk_OldNewYork And what happens if I try to throw a brick through it?
Sweet baby biscuits the safety hazards.
One of the most intense episodes on TNG. I've seen the ending about 100 times! So good! 👍
I agree.
"But I reMEMBER!"
Isn’t it geordie who is under mind control via his visor?
Random redshirt walks by with a mirror, “hey guys, I got this from the dressing room” reflects beam by accident....
I really miss this show on TV. Watching it with friends was always a treat back in the day.
OSHA violations everywhere.
Outside the US so it is OK 😉😉
That's why they got a robot and the black guy to do the job.
The same OSHA that approves the use of Explodium and MegaFlameon to power Starfleet consoles?
@@BigKnecht SAVAGE!!!
The safety regulations of the future are somewhat different. You see... OSHA doesn't exist in the 24th century.
Ensign Nobody wasn't looking up from his datapad when he walked into Engineering that day...
He was only two days from promotion.
For all the people complaining about the lack of safety regulations, keep in mind this is consistent with Starfleet standards. The bridge instruments could have a fuse easily installed to neutralize them, yet dozens of red shirts die each year when their panels explode.
Damn, 1MJ/s? That's the power of 55 .50 BMG rounds hitting you every second.
Yep! 👍
This would have been better done in the cargo bay. The film crew must have had the big set occupied by a holodeck or a cave set at the time this was made. They really didn't have many options before Season 5. They also used the Engine Room as a gym. Sick Bay was the same set as the Observation Lounge, with the windows covered, and two walls changed. They also used the Bridge set in almost every single episode.
Sickbay was it's own set from season 2 onwards, as for the Battle Bridge, that set (In my opinion) holds the record for the most redresses in Star Trek History, Starting off with the Battle Bridge and ending as the Bridge of the Pasteur in All Good things, Look it up if you want a complete list of all of the redresses.
Dom Oranzi that bridge was used for the redesigned d bridge set in the motion picture
Just at that moment, Reginald Barclay enters engineering, distracted whilst reading fanfic on his PADD. "Lieu..." "Let it happen, Data. *Let it happen*."
You fool! You do that and Voyager will never get in contact with the federation.
I like how the casually turn on a deadly weapon in the middle of engineering and walk around it with no concern that something might go wrong.
For the safety concerns. The phaser could've been set to stun or even a lower setting for the test.
If this was a real weapon, that would not have mattered, especially since it was a malfunctioning one.
Rule 1 of gun safety: treat every weapon as loaded. And it was loaded here. And firing.
Not at 1.05 Megawatts output..
Mr. Mustard, in the library, with a Romulan imitation Federation weapon with a forced pulse well into the terahertz range.
*ahem* It's Colonel Mustard. The only "Mr." is 'Mr. Green'. The other fellow is Professor Plum.
Anyone else started getting anxiety when Geordi decided to just casually stand and hang out right in front of the rifle. Not even a little to the left, just literally on target. If anything went wrong, that thing could've just point blank'd him.
Great idea guys, doing tests on a high energy weapon next to the warp core! I’m pretty sure that a Galaxy class starship would have dedicated labs for them to conduct their experiments. Clearly it’s true what they say, just because you’re academically gifted doesn’t mean that you possess common sense. In fact Star Trek is full of examples that prove this. I’d say that this is a massive floor in the academy’s entrance requirements.
Star Trek The New Generation has aged like fine wine only gets better with age.
I doubt very much that people will be watching Discovery and Picard in 30 years time!
Why would he test a phaser in engineering??
Sorry should had read comments first. I see everyone else is way ahead of me
Hey, at my old workplace, we were also Engineers in an Engine Room. We poured water into running Engines, set off explosives to sheer off the fan blades as the Engine ran, and even used high-pressure air to fire pheasants into them while the Engines were running at max continuous thrust.
Firing deadly weapons in the Warp Engine Room?
Sounds legit.
Nice to see accurate depictions of my job being depicted as Standard operating procedure in the 24th century.
I always love how anything the Romulans do is always a typical Romulan ploy
The techno babble script editor was inspired this day
Techno babble means they are trying to sciency up this science fiction program, better than discovery which is like magic. The science in this show was often wonky (i remember in Casino Royale when Geordie says the temperature is -300 Celcius) but it still managed to create a framework for the reality depicted in the show.
megajoules per second? say watt?
Star Trek doesn't use SI units. They'd say something like "isowatt".
MegaJoules/s is the same as MegaWatts per second. Basically as much power output from the 'battery' as a 1500HP switcher locomotive would give! Destroy a house with ease. And how did the target not get super hot as it was firing?
+danwat1234
Megawatts per second would be a measure for how quickly the power increases. Megajoules per second is the same as megawatts, NOT megawatts _per second._
theuncalledfor right I meant to say Megajoules not MJ/s because MJoule is Mwatt seconds.
I don't understand the first sentence of your post. Reminds me of calculus position->velocity->acceleration
+danwat1234
A joule is a unit of energy.
A watt is a unit of power, that is, energy over time. One watt equals one joule per second.
Watts per second would be a measure of an increase in power. One watt per second means that power increases by one watt every second. Example: You start with 10 watts. You apply 3 watts per second for ten seconds. At the end, you have 40 watts.
"Mega" is just a number, It means one million. Megawatt = one million watts, etc.
There was something really relaxing watching STTNG.The background humming,the soft spoken dialogue,the music....
Weapon testing at the war core.
Search RUclips for "enterprise ambient noise" , is nice to nap to.
LaForge: Hey, Data, let's test fire up this bad boy and see if we can unravel this mystery.
Data: Excellent idea, Geordi.
Riker: EXCUSE ME LaForge, would you two take that blasted thing off the bridge?
Very Classic “Hold my beer I got this”. Let’s do this next to the warp core..
Love how Data just calmly stands behind the device receiving the phaser beam. Pretty darn confident. Not to mention testing a weapon in engineering right near the warp core, like it seems many people here have observed. ;)
they are actually inside the holodec, but simulating the constant threat of a warp core breach is the only way Geordi can feel alive.
@@balibee91 That's actually the "real world" Engineering, if I remember correctly. Why would they go to the trouble of simulating Engineering when they have Engineering right there? Or is that part of the joke? 🙃😎
PS: Don't make me bust out my blu-rays. 😜
Brent Spiner has never got the credit he deserves .... That man can act.....
Ironically, the Romulans' spy and the manipulated assassin are both in the meeting
If you see the end of the episode, that was more or less necessary. Because Plot, if nothing else. ruclips.net/video/fP31D6ae7tI/видео.html
I know it's pointed away from the warp core, but is that really the best place to test fire a phaser rifle?
Nope.
Logic doesn't exist in the 24th century that's why they have exploding computers.
Whereever Data is located is always the safest place for anything. Data's super speedy reflexes make accidents almost impossible.
Starships are powered by plasma and the conduits have a tendency to rupture.
It's possible they are on the holideck using holographic computers like the real thing furthermore the rifle may be on a minimum stun setting
Hi I got a great idea. Let's test a death ray in the engine room with the beam really far from the target so anyone walking around in the room could get cut in half if they weren't paying attention. God forbid we perhaps try this in the armory, in a practice range, or perhaps on the holodeck isolated from other people.
Seriously, did OSHA regulations not make it this far into the future?
95% of comments are about gun safty.
5% of comments is about other.
Went down into the comment section thinking I would see conversations about the episode like I do other clips. Bad mistake.
You are right about the comments.
95% of commentators are NRA members, no doubt.
yeah i mean i feel like now i cant watch this scene the same way anymore lol. to be fair i never noticed anything wrong and honestly while i can see where people are coming from i kind of feel like unless people mentioned it i would have never noticed( and this is one reason why i have no interest in ever using and owning a gun)
Now I'm not a NRA member, but I was in the Army. They were very insistent on weapons safety.
Now that you mention the episode, it's surprising that La Forge didn't kill attempt to kill all of the Klingons when he had a perfectly useful Phaser Rifle right there.
He could have grabbed it, set to maximum discharge, and just wiped everyone out, except for the traitor controlling him, of course.
Getting back to the gun safety stuff, I'm honestly glad that they noticed it, as they give me hope that those who own weapons will do so responsibly and safely. They give me some hope for humanity, as those who eat tide pods on a dare attempt to destroy it.
letha weapo lol no, the NRA nutcases wouldn't be interested in gun safety
So... The Romulans basically created a better version of the Rifle and Starfleet STILL didn't use it?
Starfleet uses different power sources than the Romulans. It's like if one side used gasoline and the other used propane.
Maybe. But this just shows Starfleet's lack of forethought. A Weapon like this would've helped immensely, especially during the Dominion War. Less Power Cell usage.
Except for one thing: Replicators.
kadindarklord it's counterfeit but better than the real ones
@@kadindarklord There are substances that can't be easily replicated, if at all. The Dilithium that catalyzes the warp drive is one such example.
Remember when VW exhaust systems could tell an emission test was being conducted and adjust accordingly? It's be a cool plot for something similar: test being conducted? Federation energy readings? No Romulans around? Self destruct! I think something similar was done in the Xindi arc of Enterprise
19 Redshirts walked through the beam before they started testing :)
Am I the only person who upon seeing a phaser rifle being utilized in the immediate vicinity of a warp core thought, ''guess health and safety isn't what it used to be?'' You would think with a vessel the size of the Enterprise D, that they would have done this in a cargo bay or someplace, wherein, if the energy cell had overloaded, it would not potentially have taken out the ship in the process.
Having just noticed the other replies ... clearly, I'm not alone.
Does this entitle me to graduation from Starfleet Academies ''what not to do next to an active warp core'' class?
1.05MW (Joules/second) discharge rate? That's a lot of power. Like, almost as much power as the engine of a 1500HP switcher locomotive would give..
And then you're gonna see some serious shit
I was in my early teens when this show aired. It really brings back memories. Hard to believe sometimes that this came out over 30 years ago
Is it just me or should Data be NOWHERE NEAR THAT DEVICE as the rifle is firing? :o
You're right. He's standing downrange during firing. Big no-no.
Don't worry. He's protected by math. :d
I doubt the thing was firing on a setting that would even effect Data.
Not to mention theyre firing right beside a warp core AND an antimatter container.
I'd rather fire over a nuke....
Question: shouldn't LaForge and Data perform this dangerous experiment within of the Enterprise-Ds many science labs, instead of near the ship's warp core? Inquiring minds want to know 🤦♂️
Geordi sighting the rifle is just ridiculously hilarious. Almost as hilarious as those episodes where he did data analysis of the videos of a mission😂 like why, just why TNG writers
Who ever directed this episode never been to a firing range.
Sure they have, they copied all of the safety regulations used in the mobile Infantry camp as shown in Starship Troopers.
Or maybe they didn't have time or have it in the budget to build a whole other set for one scene in the season.
Or they don't have the budget for a new set that will only be used once when the already existing one will do.
I never understood why they always did nonsense right next to the warpcore!
It's likely that, on the lowest setting, the phaser wouldn't be strong enough to hurt the equipment. It is, after all, only intended to stun someone, which, depending on the species, doesn't take much.
I feel like there should be come kind of safety measure or at least a rope to prevent people from accidentally walking into the beam. Workplace accidents must be a serious issue around these two. Someone call OSHA.
"Let's test this phaser rifle."
"Where? One of the cargo bays?"
"Nah, right by the warp core ought to be fine."
Sorry, I'm pissed that they keep walking into the firing range.
If this were Nu-Trek they would have used their Spore Drive for… some reason meanwhile meeting their quota for their 5th “all for one, heartwarming team spirit” scene for the day.
I wonder why was Ambassador Kell was sending another E-band emission at 2:20 . What was he instructing LaForge to do?
To beam down a crate full of Federation phasers and phaser rifles down to the planet's surface to make the Klingon governor once again think that the Federation was providing the rebels with weapons and inflaming tensions between the Federation and the Klingons.
0:43 I love how they dont mind standing downrange of the beam
Yes, let's test a phaser rifle next to matter-antimatter reactor. If anything goes wrong, we might release the antimatter into the ship's atmosphere. Safety always comes first
Hey really don't complain about this for one reason and one reason only. Lazy writing. If you want to complain. Complain about the lazy writing.
I like how the Romulan forged phasers were foiled by being too efficient.
Why are they playing with high energy weapons 20 feet from the warp core???
Because didn't you know? Warp core breaches are fun.
Because how dare you criticise the logic of TNG, this show is perfect and everything after it sucks because it contradicts the perfection that is this nineties workplace drama.
@@TheSorrel it's not perfect, but it was really good, and everything after it did pale in comparison...
love the dramatic music at the beginning ...of course seeing the whole ep you know why
He really shouldn't be standing there, even with it turned off
also aim it at the warp core so that if that test block falls out of place the phaser will shoot straight at the core; since it is of suspicious design: with any luck, the phaser will also malfunction and overcharge to maximum setting
Let's do a weapons test in front of the warp core!
That is some weapons-grade HURR right there.
My thougjys exactly. Don't they have a lab cargo bay or something they could do this in? Not right next to the most tempermental warpcore in the entire federation...
This is a massive OSHA violation. Someone could have walked into that beam!
I know it was faster and cheaper to do this scene in engineering, but would it have been so difficult to roll the biobeds out of sickbay, set up a console to block the signage, and called it "Science Lab 4" or something?
They reused sets many times this way. Heck, they already showed us science labs earlier in the show's run so we know it was possible.
Data: "Perhaps we should do this in a lab?"
Geordi: "nah, let's just do it here... it'll be fine"
"That Engineer is a Spy!"
When Among Us is an episode of Star Trek.
Almost all of the comments are about gun safety and about the choice of where they were conducting the tests. Couple of things to consider:
There's no one else in engineering aside from Geordie and Data. That tells me they cleared out everyone else while they conducted the tests.
Data is an android, which is why he's on the opposite end. If he made the mistake of walking in front of the beam, it probably wouldn't have done anything to him.
While I will agree that engineering is probably not best place to conduct this type of test, my guess is that they put up forcefields in case of a ricochet.
"You may go"? "This is MY ship, you crevassed headed Klingon"!
They accused the Romulan Star Empire without testing all possibilities, skipping over the 3 hour long search and potentially starting an intergalactic war. As any Vulcan would say, "highly illogical".
Welcome to the United Federation of Hold My Beer And Watch This!
They went for the most likely culprit that would have the technology to support their findings.
Actually I am not sure they did. If you had a flower and you didn't know what it was Googling would get you an answer but would take time. If you suspected it was a rodendendron then you would just Google rodedendron. So I suspect that they just compared the phaser to Romulan technology first - and would have done the search if their suppition proved incorrect.
That’s a lot of TNG episodes. But they were still good and fun. Lmao at people whining about Discovery and Picard for not being good enough
@@danielyeshe That would just mean that the weapon was BASED on Romulan technology, not that the Romulans were necessarily behind it. For example, in Star Trek the Klingon cloaking device is based on the Romulan cloaking device. By your analogy they would look at a Klingon cloaking device and say "Romulans!"
Well in the future there seems no need for workfloor safety regulations anymore
When you’re such a perfectionist that you have to improve the design of the weapon you are counterfeiting.
No Romulan could ever abide an inefficient design.
*perfectionism*
"it's a typical romulan ploy. an attempt to sow dissention and mistrust."
Out of all the labs, holodecks and various other safe areas on the ship, they choose to fire a phaser rifle next to warp core? Without the blast door down, or even mention of a force field around the core. I'm sure that Worf could have lent them a rifle range.
Romulan-made knockoffs of Federation rifles have all the same functions and features but also "efficiency well above Starfleet specifications". Is Romulan weapon technology more advanced?
(Ignoring arguments about unsafe idiots doing weapon tests in the engine room, already been said a few dozen times.)
Equivalent. Romulan power cells probably burn out faster due to to the higher output and forced pulse.
Romulans apparently suffer from a scarcity of resources. Or at least an acute consciousness of limited resources. (Even though the Romulan Star Empire is vast enough to have many abundant worlds.)
TNG Romulans sometimes fixate on the idea of obtaining "unlimited power sources".
Romulans cannot make a crappy weapon if they tried.
Ben McKean
Romulan science stagnated because they where isolationists. Progress becomes unimportant when you already believe you are the best around.
Yes in TNG it was implied that it was slightly better, entire fleet of warbirds comparable to UFP flagship. This later changes in ds9
I feel like the federation needs a visit from OSHA here. Here Data is basically standing in a gun range during a live fire test.
This was a damned good episode.
"Hey, we're on a giant starship. Where in this immense vessel should we test this highly destructive energy weapon?"
"Right next to the antimatter reactor that's so volatile it'll explode if you sneeze on it too hard."
"Nothing can go wrong with this plan."
Anyone else get a little....on edge, when Data stepped....well....where he stepped? Just before Jordy shut off the phaser?......
Oh yeah! Anyone who knows anything about firearms safety or has been to a firing range knows that Data should not be down range, much less standing in the line of fire.
rredhawk the downrange part didnt bother me because phasers are energy projectors and have no, or nearly no, recoil. Or shot spread.
And this one was tight-mounted.
Just the line-of-fire part bugged me.
S:
rredhawk what REALLY set me off was thme firing it right next to a fucking warp core....
Its like having a firing range next to an ammonium-nitrate storage facility...
"Data! Why are you standing where the death ray is going?"
"I'm an android.. *head tilt* "..not a pussy"
😅😅😅😅
"My spine is composed of a polyalloy, designed to withstand extreme stress. You appear to lack one altogether. Perhaps I can synthesize you one...when you are ready." *returns to passive-aggressively typing on datapad*
Yeah, I am super smart android. I think I stand in front of the phaser beam that is only being blocked by this device. Device that is on top of random box, held in place only by gravity, in artificial gravity environment.
“Let’s run the ray gun test next to the warp core”
im trying to tell myself that they're actually in the holodeck, and just picked engineering as the setting since it already comes with all the instrument panels they need to confirm findings...
but even with that stretch of imagination, Data should NOT be standing on the side of the rifle where the laser is coming out!
"With like 10 yards of exposed particle beam with no barricade or safety measures in the main walkway to the core. For reasons."
Why didn't they do this at a firing range?
Cleric775 Because sets cost money. In universe I don't think there is an explanation.
So... anyone can walk in between the middle... the gun could misfire and shoot through the barrier or fire at the control panel or penetrate the warp core or breach the anti-matter containers. Genius.
Just set it to stun and it does nothing.
What happens if the stun trigger is broken?
What happens if it overloads?
What happens if it's booby trapped?
There's no excuse for mishandling weapons, future tech, past tech, ancient or otherwise.
"What happend if the stun trigger is broken", really?
You’d think there would be somewhere safer to do a weapons test than right next to a warp core
Can't wait to hear this kind of dialog again when Star Trek Discovery hits...but who am I kidding? Likely just lots of 'splosions and hyper drama.
this dialog ? from i could tell 80% of it were "techno babble" which is in the other opposite end of hyper drama.. neither are good for the long run...
One of them has proven to be good for multiple seven year seasons......
Elhanan Maayan
This is not technobabble, at least not 80%. Technobabble means that it is neither based on real world science nor previously established rules. Batteries getting discharged when you use them is real world science.
This is your idea of a genius dialogue? You have low standards. This dialogue is fine but there is technobabble and subterfuge in Discovery, too. It's not exactly mindblowing and I don't see the difference. Unless of course you have a problem with something else.
What i find interesting about this episode is how Geordie is programmed only to do specific tasks at specific times not to aid the Romulan cause generally, the episode shows him helping the investigation against him and here with the weapon.