Wonderful interview! Out of 8 billion apparent people, there's possibly less than 10 public communicators, speaking uncompromisingly about unconditional freedom. That's astonishing! Kenneth is one of a very very very few, who speak about absolute freedom so simply, clearly, directly, unambiguously, and with no compromise whatsoever. Timeless infinity, spoken with wonderfully Irish Kenneth-ness! And he's a great guitarist too! ❤
The "self" acts as a sort of hoover which pulls certain thoughts to it. Just certain thoughts though. Thoughts about "me." Once the self disappears, those thoughts have nothing to do. They arise and float around a while, and then dissipate. After a while, those thoughts, having nothing to do (no purpose), will stop coming altogether. Now, to be clear, these are not only bad self-thoughts, but ALL self-thoughts. Even the "good" ones. Because good/bad thoughts about self lead to pride/shame, neither are worthy. I remember walking through WalMart one day. Someone had abandoned a shopping cart in the middle of the aisle. I pulled it to one side, so that nobody would run into it. The thought "I'm a good person for doing that" appeared in my mind. I hadn't seen that kind of thought for a few months, and it made me laugh. Then it was gone. It didn't stick, because it had nothing to stick to.
This is brilliant. I have experienced the beauty of being for some time and I know exactly what he means, if there is a grasping then that is what it is. By wanting to have it you missed it. Its a total mind f&$% and that's the cosmic joke of it, once you feel if you can't help but laugh at the innocent beauty of everything. Life is enough. life is love!!!! and some days like today it hurts, and here I am finding the closest thing to what I know to be true. Even pain has its own joy, of being here.
Yes, very good said! My sence of a separate self collapsed many years ago and just wondered what happened?!? After that, rather soon after in fact, it becomes clear that ”we humans” have no separate life, there is ONLY life, or... ”We don’t have a life, we are life being lived”. As you said, we can’t want and chase what looked for, we are already what looked for and there is only life but not an individual thing and for no one. Only ”nothing that becomes something” and happens at once and in the same moment within and from some infinity form of energy that cannot be grasped. There is joy, pain, suffering, euforia, thoughts, feelings, perception, happening etc. but for ”no one”. Namaste from Sweden👍🌟🙏🇸🇪🕉
Thank you so much Ken! I found home a little while ago, but then started thinking I must now tell the whole world and blah blah blah and fell back into the darkness and misery. Thanks for pointing me back home 😍
Beautiful. 38:20 the person hears this message and runs away because he finds it hopeless. When there is resonance, the message is recognized as hopefree and there is a strong pul and merging.
I love this, it echoes profoundly. Kenneth has a gentle and loving delivery. Not sure saying "it's just nonsense" resonates. All of the manifestation is Consciousness doing its thing, playing roles, having fun. Although I do not buy into the stories & the roles, I still enjoy them. The belief in the separate individual has fallen away here and for quite a while after there was a great distancing from the human experience. This appears to be integrating which is lovely. Thank you conscioustv, your interviews are interesting.
No, it would be meaningless (to no one) as it is only the idea of an individual "me" who wakes up. It would be like saying "Santa Claus woke up", a non-awakening. No one wakes up as no one is. There is actually no such thing as awakening.
Ian is the perfect interviewer ... Actually listens without making references to other teachers or drawing analogies to show how brilliant he thinks he might be. In it her words the opposite of the Buddha at the gas pump guy who is extremely annoying.
I totally agree and find very few "interviewers" as good and non-intrusive as Ian. It's a special skill to be so neutral yet informed and helpful as Ian is.
Both have different styles . I feel Rick Archer has the luxury of time as well (longer interviews) compared to conscious tv which is time bound. Buddha at the gas pump seems more like a conversation woven into an interview whereas conscious tv seems purely interview. I enjoy both the programs immensely.
Yes, but Ian also very much stays on the surface. Constantly sticks to stories and histories. Seems afraid to go to the direct experience that is pointed to but prefers descriptions of "that state" rather than ACTUALLY being here. For example, from 12:54 to 14:25 Kenneth is giving him absolute gold, Truth with a capital T. I would have loved them to go deeply into that and explore in depth what he just expressed, but instead Ian shies away from it, from the rawness and directness of this moment, and goes back to safety of describing the chronological history of Kenneth..
"Surrendering or letting go" implies there is an action one should or could take. Hopelessness happens when you are finished. That is why the Hope is in the Hopelessness.
theres a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, but there is no one around to collect it... this makes it no less charming! The illusion of me can collapse but then there is nothing that knows that; the me is a finite entity trying to find the infinite; I was trying to achieve enlightenment but then the I that was searching died; this is not now, this is timeless; the seeker doesn`t want to die, he wants to continue, he is looking for a formula; there is no formula, there is only living; this message is always available to those who are open to it; all there is, is energy and it has no director; this is a response out of nothing; expose the myth that there is a me; there is a shift in the world from authority to anarchy; when the me collapses also the idea collapses that there is good or bad; wonderfully, gloriously meaningless; knowing is a concept; self inquiry is a completely dualistic operation which goes on emphasizing the sense of knowing, but that which is can`t be known; what is does not need to know itself to be what is; you don`t have a life to do anything with, there is only life!
50:50 No Iain, it's not about accepting or allowing. That would still be a dual dynamic, "you" accepting "something". It is the realization that everything Is, but nothing is "about you". You are not in the picture. There is just the picture as a whole going on. Try to find something in your life that objectively is about you (others would say), but for you it is just "what is", it just doesn't feel personal for you. For me it was my health situation, I have a chronic genetic disease that objectively is all pervasive, but for me it just never felt like it was about me. But it can also be such a simple thing as breathing.Then realize that if you are able to have this (non) experience of "not personelness" about this, could you not extrapolate this to anything and everything else that is apparently happening "to you", but in reality is not? There are blatant cracks in the fata morgana already. Look for them. Try to find them and go from there, make them larger. The whole fata morgana might fall away suddenly, or gradually. It's not you doing it, it will be destroying itself. You only have to look. You will just be pointing the illusion to a little fault in itself. When it starts looking at that fault, it will try to fix it with a thought, but doubt will slip in and it will realize suddenly or gradually (this is the resonance Kenneth is pointing at) that in fact it does not exist. That it is all one big fault. This is the dying or death of the ego/mind.
I am always curious why Kenneth and others don't point to their face. Seeing that the individual is faceless to themselves is what you term fata morgana. headless.org
Question: is there any way to prevent children from losing the wide-open oneness they start out with before it gets shrunk down and contracted into the prison of the (false/separate) self ?.....or like the butterfly, do humans have to go through a kind of dream-world chrysalis phase of being encrusted with 'Self', before (apparently) re-emerging into oneness that is Now perceived to have been there all along?
Kenneth is speaking of Separation vs.Non-separation or Unity but the separate individual/person simply cannot get it so Iain continues to speak of what a SEPARATE individual does/feels/thinks/knows/is, etc, while Kenneth tries, in many ways, to say that there is NO SEPARATION ANYWHERE! The individual simply cannot grasp Non-separation.
wow - as mentioned akin to whats pointed to by Tony Parsons and Morgan SOMERS and others - expressing at best possible isness - not conceptualising about.....
Not to belittle it but I suspect that Ken's "awakening" was merely unconditional self acceptance which can feel heavenly or even miraculous to someone who has been carrying self contempt or self rejection and suddenly finds him self acceptable, lovable, precious, good enough, wanted, embraced, etc. The few times that I "awoke", it felt like HEAVEN but I somehow slipped back down into self contempt and rejection so my "awakenings" did not last very long. Now I see what he means about it being and feeling simple, ordinary, just this, right now and other non-special yet wonderful qualities. He has embraced and accepted himself which can seem like non-dual awakening or Enlightenment.
I am amused when someone says they had a "happy childhood" and then they became an "angry/unhappy" teenager. It's total B.S.! But I've also seen that DENIAL will not allow many folks to honestly admit that they DID NOT have a "happy childhood" or even ADEQUATE parents, which can produce an unhappy teenager! But I'm glad that Kenneth finally turned out OK.
It's really sad the bullshit these self righteous individuals claim. I just hope Ian sees thru it. I assume he and his wife do knowing they have interviewed and shared a cup of tea with many different people. Anytime anyone asks what happened that shifted the guest' perception, its always answered in an assumption they know what people want. How about its an interview and a list of questions are going to be asked. Don't ask why, just identify yourself and tell us why you think you're right. Its cognitive dissonance.Just pray the lunacy isnt contagious. Not crazy because it doesn't quite ring true, but rather this trend is counterproductive to living the way our mind is designed to. It's lying to the healthy brain of those that find joy still. It's a pressured nonsense that is toxic. It attacks the vulnerable looking for answers. There really are sick individuals out there that will drag you thru thier own rabbit hole. I want to believe people are basically wired the same, but clearly we arent. sigh...
Sorry you have misunderstood. This message is life affirming for me. It is simply saying life is whole with the appearance of separation. This is an amazing understanding. Life is wonderful!!!
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Wonderful interview!
Out of 8 billion apparent people, there's possibly less than 10 public communicators, speaking uncompromisingly about unconditional freedom. That's astonishing!
Kenneth is one of a very very very few, who speak about absolute freedom so simply, clearly, directly, unambiguously, and with no compromise whatsoever. Timeless infinity, spoken with wonderfully Irish Kenneth-ness! And he's a great guitarist too! ❤
This is one of the most beautiful simple - not even teachings - just beingness.... I have ever heard. Thank you!
So simple, so clear, so (as mentioned below) uncompromising. Very difficult for the mind to grasp.
Totally recommend this interview.
"Hope is a total and utter rejection of what is" 37:47
When such a communication is delivered in this way and heard there is nobody left to doubt it's authenticity - Stunning stuff
The "self" acts as a sort of hoover which pulls certain thoughts to it. Just certain thoughts though. Thoughts about "me."
Once the self disappears, those thoughts have nothing to do. They arise and float around a while, and then dissipate.
After a while, those thoughts, having nothing to do (no purpose), will stop coming altogether.
Now, to be clear, these are not only bad self-thoughts, but ALL self-thoughts. Even the "good" ones. Because good/bad thoughts about self lead to pride/shame, neither are worthy.
I remember walking through WalMart one day. Someone had abandoned a shopping cart in the middle of the aisle. I pulled it to one side, so that nobody would run into it. The thought "I'm a good person for doing that" appeared in my mind. I hadn't seen that kind of thought for a few months, and it made me laugh. Then it was gone.
It didn't stick, because it had nothing to stick to.
That which is knows nothing of thoughts. To this one there is no separate self, if one chooses to use that word, so there is no self that disappears.
Wonderful interview. Kenneth expresses what life in this state feels like so simply and beautifully. Thank you so much Lain and Kenneth.
Brilliant interview such clarity really could feel it. THANK YOU!!
Clear as a bell! Excellent descriptions.
clear, beautiful and concise. beautiful simpleness.
This is brilliant. I have experienced the beauty of being for some time and I know exactly what he means, if there is a grasping then that is what it is. By wanting to have it you missed it. Its a total mind f&$% and that's the cosmic joke of it, once you feel if you can't help but laugh at the innocent beauty of everything. Life is enough. life is love!!!! and some days like today it hurts, and here I am finding the closest thing to what I know to be true. Even pain has its own joy, of being here.
Beautiful
Exactly. All things continue in Wholeness.
Yes, very good said! My sence of a separate self collapsed many years ago and just wondered what happened?!? After that, rather soon after in fact, it becomes clear that ”we humans” have no separate life, there is ONLY life, or... ”We don’t have a life, we are life being lived”. As you said, we can’t want and chase what looked for, we are already what looked for and there is only life but not an individual thing and for no one. Only ”nothing that becomes something” and happens at once and in the same moment within and from some infinity form of energy that cannot be grasped. There is joy, pain, suffering, euforia, thoughts, feelings, perception, happening etc. but for ”no one”. Namaste from Sweden👍🌟🙏🇸🇪🕉
Thank you so much Ken! I found home a little while ago, but then started thinking I must now tell the whole world and blah blah blah and fell back into the darkness and misery. Thanks for pointing me back home 😍
What are your thoughts on telling the world presently?
@@FirstPersonHood Telling the whole world happens. But if theres someone that wants to tell the whole world, youre back in story.
Beautiful. 38:20 the person hears this message and runs away because he finds it hopeless. When there is resonance, the message is recognized as hopefree and there is a strong pul and merging.
amazing talk. the calm and relaxation that comes from dropping it all and simply being is wondrous
Terrifically helpful! Thanks, Kenneth and Iain.
The teaching is Life itself!
I've had the same awakening .. there is nothing and the nothing is everything .. it was scary and wonderful.
No “body” ever awakens. That is all is already awake. It’s not about a “you” awakening, as there is no such one.
"maybe there's just one long moment..." :)
"ordinary life is just what I've always been looking for, and it's Stunning!"
This is wonderful! Thanks so much!
13:12 "...it always has to be [looking for] something else... it's a total rejection of this, just this. what's happening is continuously rejected"
I'm so in love with this message... Great interview!
I love this, it echoes profoundly. Kenneth has a gentle and loving delivery. Not sure saying "it's just nonsense" resonates. All of the manifestation is Consciousness doing its thing, playing roles, having fun. Although I do not buy into the stories & the roles, I still enjoy them. The belief in the separate individual has fallen away here and for quite a while after there was a great distancing from the human experience. This appears to be integrating which is lovely. Thank you conscioustv, your interviews are interesting.
Conscious tv. The only reason to own a tv (apart from babestation obviously) Another fine interview with a brilliant guy. Thankyou both. 👍
What it is about Tony Parsons is the humor he brings to the show.
great interview, very natural...wouldn't it be great if Ian had an awakening in one of these interviews! ;-)
Wouldn't it be wonderful if I woke up!!!
No, it would be meaningless (to no one) as it is only the idea of an individual "me" who wakes up. It would be like saying "Santa Claus woke up", a non-awakening. No one wakes up as no one is. There is actually no such thing as awakening.
Wow
This is brilliant. I mean to say, totally ordinary! thanks
"Full on and juicy", I can see why you didn't title it that... great interview, loved it!!
Ian is the perfect interviewer ... Actually listens without making references to other teachers or drawing analogies to show how brilliant he thinks he might be. In it her words the opposite of the Buddha at the gas pump guy who is extremely annoying.
I totally agree and find very few "interviewers" as good and non-intrusive as Ian. It's a special skill to be so neutral yet informed and helpful as Ian is.
I agree. The Gas Pump guy never really hears what's being said.
No, he does but he habitually refers to himself or his experiences as if he needs to keep from appearing as ignorant of the topic under discussion.
Both have different styles . I feel Rick Archer has the luxury of time as well (longer interviews) compared to conscious tv which is time bound. Buddha at the gas pump seems more like a conversation woven into an interview whereas conscious tv seems purely interview. I enjoy both the programs immensely.
Yes, but Ian also very much stays on the surface. Constantly sticks to stories and histories. Seems afraid to go to the direct experience that is pointed to but prefers descriptions of "that state" rather than ACTUALLY being here. For example, from 12:54 to 14:25 Kenneth is giving him absolute gold, Truth with a capital T. I would have loved them to go deeply into that and explore in depth what he just expressed, but instead Ian shies away from it, from the rawness and directness of this moment, and goes back to safety of describing the chronological history of Kenneth..
In separation everything has to be owned and incorporated to be real, after surrender there is only happening - with nobody needing anything.
Thank you Kenneth..
Heading this year to Vipassana in Ireland.. its along time coming
GRMA
do chara
Eoghain
Excellent. The hope is in the hopelessness
I'd say the "hope" is in surrendering or letting go.
"Surrendering or letting go" implies there is an action one should or could take. Hopelessness happens when you are finished. That is why the Hope is in the Hopelessness.
beautiful. tx.
theres a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, but there is no one around to collect it...
this makes it no less charming!
The illusion of me can collapse but then there is nothing that knows that; the me is a finite entity trying to find the infinite; I was trying to achieve enlightenment but then the I that was searching died; this is not now, this is timeless; the seeker doesn`t want to die, he wants to continue, he is looking for a formula; there is no formula, there is only living; this message is always available to those who are open to it; all there is, is energy and it has no director; this is a response out of nothing; expose the myth that there is a me; there is a shift in the world from authority to anarchy; when the me collapses also the idea collapses that there is good or bad; wonderfully, gloriously meaningless; knowing is a concept; self inquiry is a completely dualistic operation which goes on emphasizing the sense of knowing, but that which is can`t be known; what is does not need to know itself to be what is; you don`t have a life to do anything with, there is only life!
Monika A :)
50:50 No Iain, it's not about accepting or allowing. That would still be a dual dynamic, "you" accepting "something". It is the realization that everything Is, but nothing is "about you". You are not in the picture. There is just the picture as a whole going on. Try to find something in your life that objectively is about you (others would say), but for you it is just "what is", it just doesn't feel personal for you. For me it was my health situation, I have a chronic genetic disease that objectively is all pervasive, but for me it just never felt like it was about me. But it can also be such a simple thing as breathing.Then realize that if you are able to have this (non) experience of "not personelness" about this, could you not extrapolate this to anything and everything else that is apparently happening "to you", but in reality is not? There are blatant cracks in the fata morgana already. Look for them. Try to find them and go from there, make them larger. The whole fata morgana might fall away suddenly, or gradually. It's not you doing it, it will be destroying itself. You only have to look. You will just be pointing the illusion to a little fault in itself. When it starts looking at that fault, it will try to fix it with a thought, but doubt will slip in and it will realize suddenly or gradually (this is the resonance Kenneth is pointing at) that in fact it does not exist. That it is all one big fault. This is the dying or death of the ego/mind.
I am always curious why Kenneth and others don't point to their face. Seeing that the individual is faceless to themselves is what you term fata morgana. headless.org
Ohh yeah!
Question: is there any way to prevent children from losing the wide-open oneness they start out with before it gets shrunk down and contracted into the prison of the (false/separate) self ?.....or like the butterfly, do humans have to go through a kind of dream-world chrysalis phase of being encrusted with 'Self', before (apparently) re-emerging into oneness that is Now perceived to have been there all along?
There are no children, no humans, no oneness, no butterflies, no self. Just life for no one.
"... and then I heard Tony Parsons on youtube". Same here :)
Describing the understanding seems to make the person problematic. Life is whole even if the person is not seen through.
Kenneth is speaking of Separation vs.Non-separation or Unity but the separate individual/person simply cannot get it so Iain continues to speak of what a SEPARATE individual does/feels/thinks/knows/is, etc, while Kenneth tries, in many ways, to say that there is NO SEPARATION ANYWHERE! The individual simply cannot grasp Non-separation.
I get a sense of this but I can't seem to nail it down. I think the interviewer feels the same.
Not many Interviewers do "get" this but Ian at least humbly tries. Google: Jim Newman for more insights on non-duality.
... or Rupert Spira, Ram Dass, Eckhart Tolle ...
No 1 gets this,
I don't know the name of the book that Ian refers to because Bo Lozoff has written many books. He lives in North Carolina.
❤
if only this message had a How, it would run like wildfire round the entire world, and reduce all the other belief systems to ashes.
wow - as mentioned akin to whats pointed to by Tony Parsons and Morgan SOMERS and others - expressing at best possible isness - not conceptualising about.....
In other words he is saying you can't hide from yourself.
The audio interview was Urban Guru Cafe. Should give credit where credit is due.
yes. that was a good talk. The "I" has to go. But if I was Kenneth, the "I" is no longer relevant.
The rest of us are just like a woman who keeps trying but can't seem to get pregnant. At least that's the way I feel.
Not to belittle it but I suspect that Ken's "awakening" was merely unconditional self acceptance which can feel heavenly or even miraculous to someone who has been carrying self contempt or self rejection and suddenly finds him self acceptable, lovable, precious, good enough, wanted, embraced, etc. The few times that I "awoke", it felt like HEAVEN but I somehow slipped back down into self contempt and rejection so my "awakenings" did not last very long. Now I see what he means about it being and feeling simple, ordinary, just this, right now and other non-special yet wonderful qualities. He has embraced and accepted himself which can seem like non-dual awakening or Enlightenment.
Are you differentiating?
👍😊
What was that book...prisoners etc.? Anyone catch that?
What’s name of poet I can understand
Brendan Kennelly
Silence... of the lambs.
I am amused when someone says they had a "happy childhood" and then they became an "angry/unhappy" teenager. It's total B.S.! But I've also seen that DENIAL will not allow many folks to honestly admit that they DID NOT have a "happy childhood" or even ADEQUATE parents, which can produce an unhappy teenager! But I'm glad that Kenneth finally turned out OK.
A dream feels "real"
Kenneth sounds like he's a student of Tony Parsons, uses a lot of the same language etc.
He mentions Tony here.
@37:11-39:40
😂
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The ordinary was extraordinary until you started talking about it which makes it ordinary.
Wonder
So the holocaust and cancer are also love?
No they are not, but most followers don’t question what these people say.
They are unconditional Freedom. (Love is a loaded word).
@@mikebell4435Love is a loaded word for you.😅
@@Foxbrother90...for who?
It's really sad the bullshit these self righteous individuals claim. I just hope Ian sees thru it. I assume he and his wife do knowing they have interviewed and shared a cup of tea with many different people. Anytime anyone asks what happened that shifted the guest' perception, its always answered in an assumption they know what people want. How about its an interview and a list of questions are going to be asked. Don't ask why, just identify yourself and tell us why you think you're right. Its cognitive dissonance.Just pray the lunacy isnt contagious. Not crazy because it doesn't quite ring true, but rather this trend is counterproductive to living the way our mind is designed to. It's lying to the healthy brain of those that find joy still. It's a pressured nonsense that is toxic. It attacks the vulnerable looking for answers. There really are sick individuals out there that will drag you thru thier own rabbit hole. I want to believe people are basically wired the same, but clearly we arent. sigh...
Sorry you have misunderstood. This message is life affirming for me. It is simply saying life is whole with the appearance of separation. This is an amazing understanding. Life is wonderful!!!
Ean McGay lol =)
Dude! Stop "mmm"ing while Iain is talking. It's annoying as hell.