honestly all I can say as an outsider who joined RS waaaay after all of this is that, props to jagex for actually listening to the players and keeping on improving their game rather than just going like "you are all just a bunch of cash cows for us to milk so just shut up"
@@OhItsJake it is because of backlog after all the mxt and dxp promotions also it isnt attracting new players much as it only catered to high end players.
EOC was pretty hard to swallow for a while in the beginning, but now I wouldn't have it any other way. It opened up a lot more possibilities in the end
@@gustavobarbosa314 100% correct. Dumping EoC after barely a few months of beta while completely ignoring player feedback was terrible. Also Essence of Finality should have released with EoC so spec weapons kept their value. And niche shields. A lot of players quit because their items lost massive amount of value that was HARD earned for most players.
@@Kalightortaio That would depend on your definition of winning, I guess. Sure you can spend a comedic amount of money to get 99 in all skills but if you suck at the game you still you suck at the game with no victory in sight
In the beginning IIRC, accuracy was really wild. It was totally off from pre-eoc and certain things I could kill with ease suddenly became a pain to kill.
About those videos... Is everyone forgetting that Jagex held a COMPETITION to create an EoC Guide video? THAT'S why there are so many videos about it. I participated in it too for a Dungeoneering guide and got a runner-up prize, being a year of membership.
Good catch! That was after the content creators made most of their guides though secure.runescape.com/m=forum/forums?254,255,206,64065907 here's the original forum post
@@ProtoxxGaming Okay, so from what I managed to fish up is the following; The contest was originally first announced on the 31th of October 2012 on the forums, and a week later (7 November) on the site frontpage. A Friend's very first video about the EoC was on the 6th of November. Boaty's first videon on the EoC was on the 7th of November. NightmareRH's first EoC video ever was posted on the 3rd of November. I haven't found a video yet that happened earlier than the announcement of the contest so far.
The best thing is if you don't want to interact with it, you don't really have to. Setup your action bar on revolution+ mode and it plays just like OSRS, or you can just go straight up legacy combat, which does make some bosses easier even. Really added a lot more to the combat rather than just having to gimmick the, imo, shitty tick system with prayer flicking (which is still possible but not insanely valuable like OSRS) and weapon swapping 10 different items.
Feel free to turn on legacy combat mode to not burn yourself out on eoc. Maybe play with it on slayer monsters to figure out how the abilites feel, but use legacy on more afk tasks or mid tier bosses.
As someone who played RuneScape 2, left and came back to RS3 years later. I had no idea EOC had even come out and was a thing and just kind of jumped into it. By that time it had been out for a year or two so after learning it I felt it was an upgrade over the old system and an important thing to modernize the game for new audiences and added more diverse ways to enjoy combat. I get why the old timer players enjoyed the old system as they had spent years mastering it, but it was weird and confusing for many casual players and was more built around abusing engine quirks instead of actively engaging with a designed system. In the end it was necessary eventually to release some kind of combat update that had a real design to it.
I see it much more simply. Runescape could never have "good" bosses without EoC, because you were limited to safespotting, prayer flicking, moving and switching weapons for specs, which is practically nothing.
@@milllkkkk They are not playing because it's infested with pay to win micro transactions and dead content which is a completely separate issue. Plus there's a lot more competition out there for people to play instead. The average young gamer is much more likely to get into battle Royales, MOBAs, or survival games, than MMOs these days.
When I was a kid I quit playing in 2007 and completely forgot about the game somehow until I graduated high school in 2014. Although it's probably for the best I didn't remember it when I was in school. But when I look back on these times from 2012, I really wish I could have been there. I think about how much fun it must have been for the people who actually enjoyed the new combat system. And then being there to learn KK and Vorago before the guides, sounds like a lot of late nights with friends, learning, dying, and getting loot.
I remember when EoC first came out, changing equipment would put a six second global cooldown on your abilities. I don't have a source for it, but I specifically remember one of Jagex's main goals with the update to remove the need to be switching equipment during combat altogether - the combat style you brought to the fight would be all you need and, in fact, the *only* thing you need, not including your food and buff items. That's right, you couldn't even equip a Ring of Vigour switch without having to wait six seconds to cast your abilities again, and then another six second wait when you switched back to your main ring!
@@TheFlyingslug I remember this cooldown as well, tho I dont think it was 6 seconds, I remember doing nex with melee/range strategy and range was still worth to switch for minioin kills, I could be wrong tho if this was changed on early days.
I really dont get why people complain about switchscape no one needs to do it theres literally videos of people beating bosses with no armour or tier 70 weapons and 1 defence like if you dont wanna do it you really dont have to you can even beat bosses in legacy... no one is asking you to have fun pushing the limits with what you have available to you...
I quit RuneScape because of EOC, now I play again because I realized you could play in legacy mode. So it's just OSRS with better graphics and quality of life. Never been happier
I don’t want to be rude, but you should try out using the abilities as you can improve your dps and also the ability bar is pretty helpful for non combat stuff.
@@Froztec I really like the nostalgia and simplicity of legacy, its the perfect combo for me, but I'm almost to Priff and when I get there I might try some PvM, in which case I might get into revolution and then full EoC, who knows. It wasn't rude, I may just be being stubborn. I'm just happy I'm back into RS3 and wish I knew about legacy combat/UI/etc and gave it a chance before this year. I spent SO MUCH time on RS as a kid.
EOC ruined Runescape in my eyes. It never should have existed and Idk maybe it is good today but I'll never play RS3 because it just isn't Runescape in my eyes: from the combat, to the art style/Armour, etc. The golden years for me were 2008 to 2011; some of the best moments of my life. Even after they released OSRS, I just couldn't go back because I didn't want to invest years of my life into trying get my character to where it was. In a sense EOC was the best thing for me personally because it got away from MMO's entirely as I would spend 12 to 13 hours a day playing Runescape and made me realized there were a lot more important things to worry about besides my combat level. Loved the video btw, spot on.
The tick system isn't the problem, ticks being 0.6 seconds is the problem, that's too long of a tick, and makes the game feel clunky. If ticks were 0.3 seconds instead, things would feel waaaaay better.
I found it pretty fun day one, it was fun popping ultimate abilities on slayer mobs with dual wield chaotic crossbows. I spent a lot of time in the beta and kinda got used to it, although it had so many flaws initially and it did devalue a lot of things but ultimately I'm happy that we got old school and I'm happy to play both of them these days, I don't even know where we would be now if eoc didn't happen
When I first came back I have no idea what eoc is, was still using legacy combat until someone told me about it in game, got use to it over the year and still learning to this day
Runescape never needed to change how it was played. There was a reason people played it for so long. To just completely gut and remake a game so poorly like they did with no regard at all for the existing community's opinion was the final step for me. I didn't even try RS3 when it came out. The fact that they even had the idea to completely change the game that so many people loved for the sake of money and what was essentially them trying to encourage WoW players and the like to try their game was the final nail in the coffin after years of inadequate content and moderation for all the money they were earning from mine and millions of other peoples subscriptions for every month. Jagex does a better job now since they released old school RuneScape and moderate better, but I will never play RuneScape again after EoC. I don't have the time to max combat out on another RuneScape character to have fun on now that I'm older and have responsibilities, and there are plenty of people I used to play with that feel the exact same way about it. They have lost all of those old devoted players support, and more importantly, they have failed to maintain those players interest in the game in general. By the time they finally caved in and admitted they were wrong by releasing OSRS, I had moved on to casual gaming and had no interest whatsoever in regaining 10-15 level 99 skills only to be right back where I was before they ruined the game the previous year. There is a reason that Jagex does community polls about updates and decisions moving forwards now. This was the single event that made them lose so many players and so much profit that they finally took their heads out of eachothers asses long enough to realize that their grand image of maximizing profits earned from the game was not at all what a majority of the current players wanted for RuneScape and inevitably led to them losing millions of dollars compared to if they had done absolutely nothing at all.
i really wish they didnt nerf the shit out of every single monster pre-2012. all the old content became basically 1 shotable and it still is to this day
Another thing that made EOC absolutely suck on release is the way they reworked armours, not even the combat itself. Not only it made no sense that your armour gave you 90% of your health, but also it was almost impossible to understand, numerically, where you stand in armour quality.
Also duel wielding was f2p up to the last month of the beta where it became members only for a long time. If I remember it's when legacy was added or shortly after it was made f2p
I don't like the rigid tier system with the damage caps based on the weapon you use instead of the spell you use or a combination of strength and weapon. I also like being able to cast spells regardless of the weapon equipped. It frustrates me that people often suggest using legacy mode, because that doesn't change any of the things I don't like.
I stopped playing a bit after EOC. It wasn't done properly at the time, and a lot of the content didn't make any sense. Currently, it's properly done and it actually IS very intuitive. You cannot compare to what the game used to be anymore, but if you want that classic feel, there's also Old School RuneScape (and nothing says you can't play both, like myself)
I was lucky in that I was on a 2 year break from RS when this all went down. Because my gear and levels were pretty ehn at the time anyway, it was easy for me to come back to it and treat it like a completely different game instead of trying to resume it as I remembered it (or rather, mostly remembered it). Honestly I think it could've been amazing right off the bat had it not been rushed, but obviously my experience with it is a bit biased because of where I interacted with the timeline.
I remember watching your guides when I used to play regularly, just coming back after a long break and glad to see you're still creating content. Good video!
Im curious how Jagex could do this despite all the backlash they got? I feel like they were intentionally trying to kill their game for some reason. The outcry even before EOC was released during beta was massive yet they went ahead and implemented it. In hindsight with the release of osrs it was a good idea but they dident know that before the poll for osrs. And still alot of players that now play osrs have old mains in runescape they havent touched since the release of EOC that they spent thousands of hours on with memories and achivements now collecting dust and have been for quite awhile so it is pretty sad for those players.
i remember playing the beta and i remember so many of us on that beta were saying, it was clearly not ready, it needed a lot more, and then they pushed it through anyways. i'm really glad it eventually hit the state it's at now, but so much of that early jank period of EoC could've been avoided
The hp-through-armor system, the full manual all the time, the immediate unbalancing of all the mobs in the game, yeah. It was horrid. But I kept playing a bit, IIRC I only quit when I got scammed for my full bandos. I came back eventually and was pleased to see the old HP was back, and things were a lot smoother and more enjoyable. If EOC had been released without the bullshit new combat level and health systems, it would've been great. But, well, jagex had to learn
9:43 that clan wars arena brings lots of memories. Rangers/mages at the towers/higher platforms. we wait for the central wall to go down to start the battle.
@@ProtoxxGaming the clan wars lobby was crowded with scapers. Scapers who want to bank for armour/food would go to bounty hunter arena for it via the graveyard of shadows. Also, revenants hanging around attacking us where we run from wilderness wall at varrock to clan wars hall and sometimes they kill the low levels who are standing just outside the hall
I'm brazilian and Runescape was part of my childhood due to my friend, he showed the game to me in 2009 and we started playing. Then a lot of my other friends started playing as well, it was my childhood and early teenage years. There were a brazilian guy that made content here on youtube about runescape, joined his clan and it was the best moments I had on this game. Sadly, everyone quit the game after EOC, only the friend that showed me the game still plays with me. The brazilian comunity has shrinked totally and doesn't even come near to the numbers back then (1k+ people on two worlds). I did quit the game as well, but still would log in time to time to play and see how things were going. So I realize how EOC made me learn how to play the game properly, most of my 99 and quests have been done on EOC. I was a kid and didn't know how to play properly the game, guess this is what made me still login in time to time.
I was so so devastated by the announcement of EOC i had spent so much time working on a legit baby 60 atk turmoil pure that i had just finished the week they announced it.. i was so sad :(
Ya EOC completely killed pking, I quit when EOC came out because of it then tried to go to OSRS but I couldn’t handle releveling everything again, so I quit completely till 3 months ago and while I do like doing some Pvm with eoc I still wish EOC never happened.
@@noneyabusiness3253 for sure! I gave Eoc a shot kinda untill osrs released. I played periodically eventually really getting into it. I swapped over to Rs3 just a few months ago and these 3 months have been really fun haha they've really nailed it
as someone who played since 2006, quit in 2013, came back to EoC, quit again because everything was so complicated, then recently came back, the game is definitely in a much better state than before. While i do miss that Euphoria i got from first playing the game, we just gotta accept that nostalgia is always going to be there, but progress isn't necessarily bad. But im glad Jaquex compromised with their player base and gave them OSRS so everyone could enjoy what they liked. also, buying GF for 10gp
i am the same as you, except i started in 05 and quit around late 07, just recently came back on fresh osrs account..was so sad to see the way the game went with eoc..it wasn't runescape as we knew it anymore..good job they brought it back
I quit until 07scape came back. Then got bored of 07 back in 2015 and have been back to rs3 ever since. They made things right and I'm 16 years deep on my main and I'll never quit. Proud to have been along for the ride
I remember when you could build Adrenaline outside of combat using defensives, Preparation had a 6s cooldown, and Rejuvinate (The defensive ability that restored 40% health over its duration - basically Guthix's Blessing but you had to have a shield equipped) had a 60 second cooldown meaning you could camp any boss indefinitely without food EoC was egregiously unbalanced when it came out, but I still stand by my opinion that it was the most necessary update for the continued survival of the game, even if it did make a lot of pre-existing content incredibly easy. Oh, yeah, and each class had an Ultimate ability that did a percentage of an enemy's maximum health with no cap. Get five people to camp your favorite boss and enjoy the instant kills.
I remember hating eoc and being against it before it came out and shortly after release. I quit for about 2-3 years because of it. Came back around 2015, figured I'd give it a shot. Glad I did because I enjoy it now, but also glad I skipped those first few years of it so they could improve. Definitely one of the bigger changes to the game.
eoc soulwars and castle wars when it was still active legit were wild, i remember those days as almost one of my best runescape days and even made me train summoning for it
I rage quit when eoc came out i didnt understand it for shit, but i came back when invention came out and i enjoyed the game and started playing again. I'm now playing regularly
Playing since 04 here. Now only play rs3. Love it. Unfortunate that eoc update happened the way it did. MMOs were less than 15yrs old when this update was done right.? It was a serious risk on many levels. Imagine if eoc was never done and the player base disappeared bc of that. We'd be singing a different song. That's what the Jagex team was dealing with.
I remember when it was first being released and being stupidly excited for it. I thought it would be the best update in the world and it would make the game 200x better or whatever. When it was initially released I felt nothing but disappointment and confusion because I had no idea how anything worked anymore. I took a long break after that, tried my hand at osrs but didn’t have that same drive until a few years later when I finally came back. I came back with the intention of only really finishing the 99’s that I was close to getting like fishing and one other that I can’t remember. But I had a friend that had surprisingly kept playing during those times and convinced me to try out the new system and bosses with him. Had it not been for him I probably wouldn’t be playing today.
At least you’re aware that it was your own fault and not the updates. Most of the players who quit claim it’s because the update was bad but in reality they just couldn’t handle the complexity of anything more than click and wait combat.
I remember dreading the release of EoC and actually took a long break following its release, though that wasn't fully related to EoC. When I returned I was going to play OSRS, but the fact that I would have to start over kept me from doing so. To this day I still am not fully comfortable with EoC and I am not a big fan of the combat system. It does up the kills per hour and DPS significantly but even so, it's not really preferable for me. I'm glad revolution exists. Though there's quite a barrier keeping me from doing higher level PvM between ability rotations, switches, and the absurd death costs. You definitely put it perfectly. It was a bad update with good intentions.
I remember pushing myself to finish a few quests before EOC and then not touching combat until brink of extinction came out. Died more times than I can count to that quest when it came out because the combat system was so crap and poorly understood. Now I can just barely do things like Rax as I essentially learned combat from scratch when I made my ironman.
yeah i left shortly after EOC... but came back when Runescape came to Steam it feels like a whole new game. kinda refreshing but i do still miss the old old days
Eh, I wouldn't say EOC is something that we should be proud of. It's still extremely clunky and unresponsive compared to other MMOs. EOC was a F on release. Now it's about a C+.
Eoc might've sucked at the start but it got a lot better a few years in. The update needed to happen though. OSRS current state is example why. The developers on OSRS can't come up with any new content worth while unless it has tick manipulations with either pray flicking or movements or both which makes the combat system very limited and primitive and why that game hasn't had a solid good update since probably 2018 for PvM content wise. Problem is nobody gave it a chance after how bad the release of EoC was even with it having a BETA period.
At the started I remeber... it had like 500k players online and after the update was like 20k at most, Jagex almost killed their game, just like they did with FunOrb, but now I played OSRS and RS3 and I'm having way more fun playing RS3, I don't have that much time to play weekly, so I can level up faster, and get to bossing faster was a big attractive for me, also being easer to get money on RS3 was also a really good point for me, as it is really boring when you can't get money because the money making is behind a high level requirement. And also, with the EOC they can be way more creative with new bosses and monsters, GWD2 and group bosses are a good example where they could get creative because of this more complex combat system
I remember this. 70%+ of my friendlist stopped playing, and I stopped soon after that lightbulb skill came out and I got 75 or 80+ on it before any guides came out. I quit cause of all the microtransactions, dead pvp content I used to enjoy like castle wars, clan wars with randoms, stealing creation(without teams losing on purpose), and stuff. Game was never the same since everyone was focused on maximizing experience and oldschool is just focused on boring pve. Never went back. At least fantasy life is coming out for switch which is basically a 1 player runescape.
I'm very glad people are coming back to RS3 these days, I really do feel like A Friend has helped out alot, but even more I just think people are finally getting over the EOC rage. I'm not playing any form of Runescape currently and probably won't again for a while, but when I do come back I really want to come back to RS3.
I think what’s keeping RuneScape from appealing to the majority of gamers is the tile walk system which makes it seem very clunky… imagine if rs3 had instant free movement like Diablo , wow, PoE etc… it would revolutionize the game while keeping everything we love. I don’t think the current tile system adds anything to the RuneScape experience
That would be Runescape 4 at that point, it's incredibly hard to re-make such a huge game while working on updates to keep players busy.. but it must happen one day, maybe starting a new division to focus on that specifically
Yes, as a returning player with lots of experience in PoE and Diablo, I can 100% say my apprehension with pvm comes from the tile & tick system. I can react, but the game works slower than my reactions. Bring on RS4!!
The thing about ability based combat is that it’s suppose to feel responsive. But eoc is not, i feel bad whenever i trigger abilities waiting for them to go off. Hope they fix the tick system soon. RS is still afkscape for me so i’m sticking with revo++ until they fix the responsiveness issue.
I staked my entire bank over and over again a few days before the release of EOC. Ended up getting to 5b+ and selling it to help pay for stuff during college and because EOC killed RuneScape for me. Came back in 2015 to max, and then again earlier this year and now I’m enjoying RuneScape again. Jagex has definitely greatly improved RuneScape since 2012
Based on what I understand of programming, the tick system is likely the cause of a lot of the problems that keep me from excelling in PVM. I'm alright, but a better system would make me somewhat good.
EOC the update that destroyed all "mid lvl" combat content there was. All the different pk account builds was a huge part of it. Even today there is still no good mid lvl combat content within the game. The only mid lvl content there is today.. Is hardly any bosses with any sort of mechanics that commend today's combat system usage of abilities. This is something I believe Jagex needs to work on, make more low lvl bosses that requires the player to use their pvm skills in order to survive. Force the players to learn to use for example shield abilities, make insta kill mechanics, give the boss a massive amount of health as a tank boss, but then make them hit barely anything. The drops should be unique untradeables, combat items that should benefit mid lvl players. Why untradeables one may ask? This is to prevent high lvl pvmers to camp new bosses and make these items worthless. This is what I feel the game is lacking today. Having content like this added into the game, will surely help a lot of players getting into imersive combat early into the game. So one can learn to appreciate the usage of every abilities the game has to offer, and learn how to use them.
I think due to powercreep, better training methods and frankly more dxp events; you can say gwd1 to gwd2 bossing is mid-lvl content. I do agree a more modern boss can be released for it. Like what QBD is now (first experience with mechanics for most) but with eoc in mind. I also like the idea of untradeable weapon drops in general.
@@Tinky1rs yes that's true, but keep in mind that those bosses hardly take any usage of shield abilities. This is something I even see high lvl pvmers struggling with. Like they hardly know how beneficial their shield really is. Also, if you rather wanna lvl up faster for higher pvm content.. You are still having one small problem.. Missing high lvl gear, which costs a fortune. Let us not forget not having curses with ss nor overloads. Give new players bosses everyone can kill, just with mechanics. Especially mechanics that forces one to use their shield. Even add a simple prayer switch. Make the boss slow, so one can switch to it in time. And make a hardmode that speeds up these mechanics. This will encourage more players into joining more pvm. Dont get me wrong, I am already doing lots of high lvl pvm content, solo and in groups. So this is not for me, this is for new players. I want to see them enjoy every aspects that the game has to offer than hearing them say, "yh I'll get to it, just need to make more money first". Often this will force new players to buy bonds if not keys to help them boost their progress faster, so they can really experience the game. I think that's wrong. Better to make new low lvl bosses that will teach one how to play the game, and make the player become gradually better at it. Than lvling up super fast and then have to throw oneself into lots of different mechanics, which is happening super fast. A few deaths.. And they will be discouraged and won't go back.
I didn't switch to osrs in 2013 cause I thought: no way I am going to start over and ocasionally play this in 3 years. Here I am in 2021 still playing rs3 once in a while 🤣 Ps: I was poor and could use torva on the beta servers (armour was free for testing), that kinda seduced me over eoc as well
Honestly I prefer osrs combat interface. But I like the aoe and dps abilities of rs3, if they had a mixture of the 2 like dual increases dps, and 2h sword extended reach and gave an aoe of 2 or 3 squares straight in front and an axe gave an aoe of the 3 squares directly in front of you it would feel like the combat was way more improved. The really annoying part of osrs is tick manipulation and the main annoying thing about both is they're both switch scape now.
started RS in 2007 then quit in 2010... unlike most players I actually returned to RS when I saw eoc videos.. I found it cool and more fun and since ive just been hooked!
I quit when eoc came out, tho i didn't like some aspects of the combat system and as eng game pvmer i used to do solo nex in 20 mins using the game mechanics to my advantage, i could see the limitations of that combat system and actually even came to my own conclusion of needing abilities/action bar will allow a more complex, interactive, intuitive combat experience. I mean most bosses you would click and alternate prayers and that was it. However they needed and still need to do something about the tick system instead of applying eoc over it.
I remember when i started playing again when EOC was pretty new, and i was 1 shotting people with range and magic bow in the wild. Just running out, stun and they were dead lmao
I hated it and quit for a while when it came out, but came back and am now really enjoying it in terms of bossing. Being able to react to different mechanics with resonance,anticipation and so on feels engaging. I've played WoW WoTLK too and I can say in terms of mechanics RS bosses are pretty well made.
I was an EOC quitter back then until recently recovering my old account.. I plan to finally finish maxing the account I never finished. It is very difficult coming back after such a break but I'm enjoying it alot that being said the community is alot worse people used to be so helpful now everything i ask someone something they just ignore and no one talks to each other... is there any clan chats or discords for new players?
The biggest problem with eoc was that they didnt fix the tick rate. They probably wont get a better chance than that, and imo runescape suffers from the "blending" of more engaging mmo content with what is essentially an innate 600 ping baseline.
honestly all I can say as an outsider who joined RS waaaay after all of this is that, props to jagex for actually listening to the players and keeping on improving their game rather than just going like "you are all just a bunch of cash cows for us to milk so just shut up"
at least jagex tries but have a issue with update scheduels
Their update schedule isn’t an issue whatsoever
@@OhItsJake it is because of backlog after all the mxt and dxp promotions also it isnt attracting new players much as it only catered to high end players.
I mean, what else are they going to do. Just keep losing money?
@@darkcymruchannel5683 that’s not true. There’s a separate team for MtX.
EoC in the early stages was mad, I remember anti-pking a guy by simply using reflect against his ags spec, he one shot himself
Nothing personnel kid
There was no AGS spec in the early stages hmm O.o?
@@rselfscape114 well they did some shit that did a lot of damage that was redirected back to them :p
@@rselfscape114 AGS has had a special since it was introduced. All Godswords had specials during EoC introduction.
@@trvislsly14 all special attacks were removed when eoc was added. Godswords were given a passive effect before special attacks were reintroduced
If eoc launched with Revolution ++ things might have been much less severe.
I love these type of videos, well researched and edited, really well done protoxx, you keep outdoing yourself !
This one took a lot of time, even though it isn't that long. I appreciate the compliment :)
EOC was pretty hard to swallow for a while in the beginning, but now I wouldn't have it any other way. It opened up a lot more possibilities in the end
If they didn't rush the update a lot of people would have kept playing. It was the right decision, but done terrible.
@@gustavobarbosa314 100% correct. Dumping EoC after barely a few months of beta while completely ignoring player feedback was terrible. Also Essence of Finality should have released with EoC so spec weapons kept their value. And niche shields. A lot of players quit because their items lost massive amount of value that was HARD earned for most players.
EoC wasn't the only issue in 2012. There was also the P2W issue with that fuckin wheel
@@Kalightortaio That would depend on your definition of winning, I guess. Sure you can spend a comedic amount of money to get 99 in all skills but if you suck at the game you still you suck at the game with no victory in sight
I quit for like 2 years after EOC. I'm just glad they added Revolution, or I'd never have come back. Now I've got a quest cape lol.
In the beginning IIRC, accuracy was really wild. It was totally off from pre-eoc and certain things I could kill with ease suddenly became a pain to kill.
About those videos...
Is everyone forgetting that Jagex held a COMPETITION to create an EoC Guide video? THAT'S why there are so many videos about it. I participated in it too for a Dungeoneering guide and got a runner-up prize, being a year of membership.
Good catch! That was after the content creators made most of their guides though
secure.runescape.com/m=forum/forums?254,255,206,64065907 here's the original forum post
@@ProtoxxGaming Okay, so from what I managed to fish up is the following;
The contest was originally first announced on the 31th of October 2012 on the forums, and a week later (7 November) on the site frontpage. A Friend's very first video about the EoC was on the 6th of November. Boaty's first videon on the EoC was on the 7th of November. NightmareRH's first EoC video ever was posted on the 3rd of November.
I haven't found a video yet that happened earlier than the announcement of the contest so far.
It took time for me to deal with it, 9 years in fact
I am now a returning player and very confused, but enjoying the game none the less
The best thing is if you don't want to interact with it, you don't really have to. Setup your action bar on revolution+ mode and it plays just like OSRS, or you can just go straight up legacy combat, which does make some bosses easier even. Really added a lot more to the combat rather than just having to gimmick the, imo, shitty tick system with prayer flicking (which is still possible but not insanely valuable like OSRS) and weapon swapping 10 different items.
Feel free to turn on legacy combat mode to not burn yourself out on eoc. Maybe play with it on slayer monsters to figure out how the abilites feel, but use legacy on more afk tasks or mid tier bosses.
As someone who played RuneScape 2, left and came back to RS3 years later. I had no idea EOC had even come out and was a thing and just kind of jumped into it. By that time it had been out for a year or two so after learning it I felt it was an upgrade over the old system and an important thing to modernize the game for new audiences and added more diverse ways to enjoy combat. I get why the old timer players enjoyed the old system as they had spent years mastering it, but it was weird and confusing for many casual players and was more built around abusing engine quirks instead of actively engaging with a designed system. In the end it was necessary eventually to release some kind of combat update that had a real design to it.
I see it much more simply. Runescape could never have "good" bosses without EoC, because you were limited to safespotting, prayer flicking, moving and switching weapons for specs, which is practically nothing.
@@AngRyGohan do inferno then.
modernize the game for new audience? bro its the lowest player count its ever been lmao.
@@milllkkkk They are not playing because it's infested with pay to win micro transactions and dead content which is a completely separate issue. Plus there's a lot more competition out there for people to play instead. The average young gamer is much more likely to get into battle Royales, MOBAs, or survival games, than MMOs these days.
I rememver playing fist of guthix as a kid was the best.
Yep, good times!
I still have thousands of Fist of Guthix token.
I loved fog
When I was a kid I quit playing in 2007 and completely forgot about the game somehow until I graduated high school in 2014. Although it's probably for the best I didn't remember it when I was in school. But when I look back on these times from 2012, I really wish I could have been there. I think about how much fun it must have been for the people who actually enjoyed the new combat system. And then being there to learn KK and Vorago before the guides, sounds like a lot of late nights with friends, learning, dying, and getting loot.
Well hey, at least you're here now, dying at kerapac before all the guides (:
EoC was a great, maybe little rushed update, tho right now the amount "switchscape" is getting out of hand.
Prepare for EOC2!
I remember when EoC first came out, changing equipment would put a six second global cooldown on your abilities. I don't have a source for it, but I specifically remember one of Jagex's main goals with the update to remove the need to be switching equipment during combat altogether - the combat style you brought to the fight would be all you need and, in fact, the *only* thing you need, not including your food and buff items.
That's right, you couldn't even equip a Ring of Vigour switch without having to wait six seconds to cast your abilities again, and then another six second wait when you switched back to your main ring!
@@TheFlyingslug I remember this cooldown as well, tho I dont think it was 6 seconds, I remember doing nex with melee/range strategy and range was still worth to switch for minioin kills, I could be wrong tho if this was changed on early days.
I really dont get why people complain about switchscape no one needs to do it theres literally videos of people beating bosses with no armour or tier 70 weapons and 1 defence like if you dont wanna do it you really dont have to you can even beat bosses in legacy... no one is asking you to have fun pushing the limits with what you have available to you...
This was a blast from the past. SilentCore night Mare a friend good memories
Nightmare and A Friend still make rs3 videos funny enough
I quit RuneScape because of EOC, now I play again because I realized you could play in legacy mode. So it's just OSRS with better graphics and quality of life. Never been happier
To each their own but EOC or whatever you wanna call it is actually very well done *now*
I don’t want to be rude, but you should try out using the abilities as you can improve your dps and also the ability bar is pretty helpful for non combat stuff.
@@Froztec I really like the nostalgia and simplicity of legacy, its the perfect combo for me, but I'm almost to Priff and when I get there I might try some PvM, in which case I might get into revolution and then full EoC, who knows. It wasn't rude, I may just be being stubborn. I'm just happy I'm back into RS3 and wish I knew about legacy combat/UI/etc and gave it a chance before this year. I spent SO MUCH time on RS as a kid.
EOC ruined Runescape in my eyes. It never should have existed and Idk maybe it is good today but I'll never play RS3 because it just isn't Runescape in my eyes: from the combat, to the art style/Armour, etc. The golden years for me were 2008 to 2011; some of the best moments of my life.
Even after they released OSRS, I just couldn't go back because I didn't want to invest years of my life into trying get my character to where it was. In a sense EOC was the best thing for me personally because it got away from MMO's entirely as I would spend 12 to 13 hours a day playing Runescape and made me realized there were a lot more important things to worry about besides my combat level.
Loved the video btw, spot on.
Eoc soulwars and castle wars legit were epic though, too bad no one plays them anymore
My guess is still that Runescape's biggest mistake is the tick system.
Very limiting indeed.
The tick system is simultaneously runescape's greatest strength and biggest weakness
The tick system isn't the problem, ticks being 0.6 seconds is the problem, that's too long of a tick, and makes the game feel clunky. If ticks were 0.3 seconds instead, things would feel waaaaay better.
Ticks are good actually
The memories good and bad. The change scared people and at the time it seemed rushed for sure. Awesome video Protoxx!
I found it pretty fun day one, it was fun popping ultimate abilities on slayer mobs with dual wield chaotic crossbows. I spent a lot of time in the beta and kinda got used to it, although it had so many flaws initially and it did devalue a lot of things but ultimately I'm happy that we got old school and I'm happy to play both of them these days, I don't even know where we would be now if eoc didn't happen
I personally even prefer eoc soulwars but no one seem to play it anymore
I also quit when EOC came out. And then i came back like 3 years later but refuseD to use EOC until like last year
When I first came back I have no idea what eoc is, was still using legacy combat until someone told me about it in game, got use to it over the year and still learning to this day
If it had revo/legacy and some pvm content from the start it might have worked far better.
I was an almost maxed termoil zerker playing 8 hours a day EOC update ruined the game for me and i quit within a day.
Runescape never needed to change how it was played. There was a reason people played it for so long.
To just completely gut and remake a game so poorly like they did with no regard at all for the existing community's opinion was the final step for me. I didn't even try RS3 when it came out. The fact that they even had the idea to completely change the game that so many people loved for the sake of money and what was essentially them trying to encourage WoW players and the like to try their game was the final nail in the coffin after years of inadequate content and moderation for all the money they were earning from mine and millions of other peoples subscriptions for every month.
Jagex does a better job now since they released old school RuneScape and moderate better, but I will never play RuneScape again after EoC. I don't have the time to max combat out on another RuneScape character to have fun on now that I'm older and have responsibilities, and there are plenty of people I used to play with that feel the exact same way about it. They have lost all of those old devoted players support, and more importantly, they have failed to maintain those players interest in the game in general. By the time they finally caved in and admitted they were wrong by releasing OSRS, I had moved on to casual gaming and had no interest whatsoever in regaining 10-15 level 99 skills only to be right back where I was before they ruined the game the previous year.
There is a reason that Jagex does community polls about updates and decisions moving forwards now. This was the single event that made them lose so many players and so much profit that they finally took their heads out of eachothers asses long enough to realize that their grand image of maximizing profits earned from the game was not at all what a majority of the current players wanted for RuneScape and inevitably led to them losing millions of dollars compared to if they had done absolutely nothing at all.
i really wish they didnt nerf the shit out of every single monster pre-2012. all the old content became basically 1 shotable and it still is to this day
Another thing that made EOC absolutely suck on release is the way they reworked armours, not even the combat itself. Not only it made no sense that your armour gave you 90% of your health, but also it was almost impossible to understand, numerically, where you stand in armour quality.
Also duel wielding was f2p up to the last month of the beta where it became members only for a long time. If I remember it's when legacy was added or shortly after it was made f2p
I don't like the rigid tier system with the damage caps based on the weapon you use instead of the spell you use or a combination of strength and weapon. I also like being able to cast spells regardless of the weapon equipped. It frustrates me that people often suggest using legacy mode, because that doesn't change any of the things I don't like.
I came back just month ago after years and years of oldschool and i can say i enjoy this game. Graphics on ultra is just amazing
I stopped playing a bit after EOC. It wasn't done properly at the time, and a lot of the content didn't make any sense. Currently, it's properly done and it actually IS very intuitive. You cannot compare to what the game used to be anymore, but if you want that classic feel, there's also Old School RuneScape (and nothing says you can't play both, like myself)
Yep, I quit for years after EOC. I only recently picked the game back up, when mobile first came out.
I was lucky in that I was on a 2 year break from RS when this all went down. Because my gear and levels were pretty ehn at the time anyway, it was easy for me to come back to it and treat it like a completely different game instead of trying to resume it as I remembered it (or rather, mostly remembered it). Honestly I think it could've been amazing right off the bat had it not been rushed, but obviously my experience with it is a bit biased because of where I interacted with the timeline.
One of the best videos you've ever put out, dude! I can really see all the effort put into this one
Thank you JH :)
I remember watching your guides when I used to play regularly, just coming back after a long break and glad to see you're still creating content. Good video!
Welcome back!
Im curious how Jagex could do this despite all the backlash they got? I feel like they were intentionally trying to kill their game for some reason. The outcry even before EOC was released during beta was massive yet they went ahead and implemented it. In hindsight with the release of osrs it was a good idea but they dident know that before the poll for osrs. And still alot of players that now play osrs have old mains in runescape they havent touched since the release of EOC that they spent thousands of hours on with memories and achivements now collecting dust and have been for quite awhile so it is pretty sad for those players.
i remember playing the beta and i remember so many of us on that beta were saying, it was clearly not ready, it needed a lot more, and then they pushed it through anyways. i'm really glad it eventually hit the state it's at now, but so much of that early jank period of EoC could've been avoided
The hp-through-armor system, the full manual all the time, the immediate unbalancing of all the mobs in the game, yeah. It was horrid. But I kept playing a bit, IIRC I only quit when I got scammed for my full bandos. I came back eventually and was pleased to see the old HP was back, and things were a lot smoother and more enjoyable. If EOC had been released without the bullshit new combat level and health systems, it would've been great. But, well, jagex had to learn
Woah what a video. Great stuff protoxx!
Thanks mate 🙌🏼
Runescape will always have a special place in my heart. Almost 20 year vet here.
9:43 that clan wars arena brings lots of memories. Rangers/mages at the towers/higher platforms. we wait for the central wall to go down to start the battle.
Clan wars was the place to be!
@@ProtoxxGaming the clan wars lobby was crowded with scapers. Scapers who want to bank for armour/food would go to bounty hunter arena for it via the graveyard of shadows.
Also, revenants hanging around attacking us where we run from wilderness wall at varrock to clan wars hall and sometimes they kill the low levels who are standing just outside the hall
I'm brazilian and Runescape was part of my childhood due to my friend, he showed the game to me in 2009 and we started playing. Then a lot of my other friends started playing as well, it was my childhood and early teenage years. There were a brazilian guy that made content here on youtube about runescape, joined his clan and it was the best moments I had on this game.
Sadly, everyone quit the game after EOC, only the friend that showed me the game still plays with me. The brazilian comunity has shrinked totally and doesn't even come near to the numbers back then (1k+ people on two worlds). I did quit the game as well, but still would log in time to time to play and see how things were going.
So I realize how EOC made me learn how to play the game properly, most of my 99 and quests have been done on EOC. I was a kid and didn't know how to play properly the game, guess this is what made me still login in time to time.
I'm also Brazilian but i only play on english worlds. I like to see people on screen. Lol
@@jmtrad1906 Exactly, playing on br worlds is depressing.
I was so so devastated by the announcement of EOC i had spent so much time working on a legit baby 60 atk turmoil pure that i had just finished the week they announced it.. i was so sad :(
Ya EOC completely killed pking, I quit when EOC came out because of it then tried to go to OSRS but I couldn’t handle releveling everything again, so I quit completely till 3 months ago and while I do like doing some Pvm with eoc I still wish EOC never happened.
@@noneyabusiness3253 for sure! I gave Eoc a shot kinda untill osrs released. I played periodically eventually really getting into it. I swapped over to Rs3 just a few months ago and these 3 months have been really fun haha they've really nailed it
Other people at eoc release: fk this game im so done this is so bad reeeeeeeee
Me: Haha hurricane go spiiiiinnnnn
The update that separated the boys from the men. NGL i dont think i ever would have touched RuneScape without EOC
Very cool idea for a video and very well executed. I felt like I was watching a documentary. 10/10
Brilliant video Protoxx! Stirred up a lot of memories
🙏🏻
as someone who played since 2006, quit in 2013, came back to EoC, quit again because everything was so complicated, then recently came back, the game is definitely in a much better state than before. While i do miss that Euphoria i got from first playing the game, we just gotta accept that nostalgia is always going to be there, but progress isn't necessarily bad. But im glad Jaquex compromised with their player base and gave them OSRS so everyone could enjoy what they liked.
also, buying GF for 10gp
i am the same as you, except i started in 05 and quit around late 07, just recently came back on fresh osrs account..was so sad to see the way the game went with eoc..it wasn't runescape as we knew it anymore..good job they brought it back
EoC in late 2012-2013 was wild. Everything was broken but also fun.
Man you are killing it with this content at the minute! Keep it up!
Thank you 😎
I quit until 07scape came back. Then got bored of 07 back in 2015 and have been back to rs3 ever since. They made things right and I'm 16 years deep on my main and I'll never quit. Proud to have been along for the ride
I remember when you could build Adrenaline outside of combat using defensives, Preparation had a 6s cooldown, and Rejuvinate (The defensive ability that restored 40% health over its duration - basically Guthix's Blessing but you had to have a shield equipped) had a 60 second cooldown meaning you could camp any boss indefinitely without food
EoC was egregiously unbalanced when it came out, but I still stand by my opinion that it was the most necessary update for the continued survival of the game, even if it did make a lot of pre-existing content incredibly easy.
Oh, yeah, and each class had an Ultimate ability that did a percentage of an enemy's maximum health with no cap. Get five people to camp your favorite boss and enjoy the instant kills.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Great video as always! Definitely glad I stuck through all the chaos.
I remember hating eoc and being against it before it came out and shortly after release. I quit for about 2-3 years because of it. Came back around 2015, figured I'd give it a shot. Glad I did because I enjoy it now, but also glad I skipped those first few years of it so they could improve. Definitely one of the bigger changes to the game.
eoc soulwars and castle wars when it was still active legit were wild, i remember those days as almost one of my best runescape days and even made me train summoning for it
I rage quit when eoc came out i didnt understand it for shit, but i came back when invention came out and i enjoyed the game and started playing again. I'm now playing regularly
Sick intro bro! damn the feels..
Playing since 04 here. Now only play rs3. Love it. Unfortunate that eoc update happened the way it did. MMOs were less than 15yrs old when this update was done right.? It was a serious risk on many levels. Imagine if eoc was never done and the player base disappeared bc of that. We'd be singing a different song. That's what the Jagex team was dealing with.
I highly doubt the player base would have disappeared with EOC considering OSRS is actually significantly more popular than rs3.
Lol, I loved watching NighmareRH's video. Btw, he kept playing rs3. The last week he uploaded a video of Kerapac!!!
I remember how not smooth it was, the abilities dealt no damage and it was fixed mode. But it didn't feel THAT bad when I look at it now.
I would pay double for membership if they add some pvp servers with old combat system limited to 2012 year. items.
Been playing osrs and Rs3 for a lot of years and can only say that everytime i play rs3 i just sit back relax and never get bored.
Once EOC arrived so did all the MTX and bonds which destroyed the economy. Only OG players remember what RS was like with a thriving economy.
I remember when it was first being released and being stupidly excited for it. I thought it would be the best update in the world and it would make the game 200x better or whatever. When it was initially released I felt nothing but disappointment and confusion because I had no idea how anything worked anymore. I took a long break after that, tried my hand at osrs but didn’t have that same drive until a few years later when I finally came back. I came back with the intention of only really finishing the 99’s that I was close to getting like fishing and one other that I can’t remember. But I had a friend that had surprisingly kept playing during those times and convinced me to try out the new system and bosses with him. Had it not been for him I probably wouldn’t be playing today.
At least you’re aware that it was your own fault and not the updates. Most of the players who quit claim it’s because the update was bad but in reality they just couldn’t handle the complexity of anything more than click and wait combat.
I remember dreading the release of EoC and actually took a long break following its release, though that wasn't fully related to EoC. When I returned I was going to play OSRS, but the fact that I would have to start over kept me from doing so.
To this day I still am not fully comfortable with EoC and I am not a big fan of the combat system. It does up the kills per hour and DPS significantly but even so, it's not really preferable for me. I'm glad revolution exists. Though there's quite a barrier keeping me from doing higher level PvM between ability rotations, switches, and the absurd death costs.
You definitely put it perfectly. It was a bad update with good intentions.
I remember pushing myself to finish a few quests before EOC and then not touching combat until brink of extinction came out. Died more times than I can count to that quest when it came out because the combat system was so crap and poorly understood. Now I can just barely do things like Rax as I essentially learned combat from scratch when I made my ironman.
the login screen.. omg it brings back memories
yeah i left shortly after EOC... but came back when Runescape came to Steam it feels like a whole new game. kinda refreshing but i do still miss the old old days
Eh, I wouldn't say EOC is something that we should be proud of. It's still extremely clunky and unresponsive compared to other MMOs. EOC was a F on release. Now it's about a C+.
Eoc might've sucked at the start but it got a lot better a few years in. The update needed to happen though. OSRS current state is example why. The developers on OSRS can't come up with any new content worth while unless it has tick manipulations with either pray flicking or movements or both which makes the combat system very limited and primitive and why that game hasn't had a solid good update since probably 2018 for PvM content wise. Problem is nobody gave it a chance after how bad the release of EoC was even with it having a BETA period.
At the started I remeber... it had like 500k players online and after the update was like 20k at most, Jagex almost killed their game, just like they did with FunOrb, but now I played OSRS and RS3 and I'm having way more fun playing RS3, I don't have that much time to play weekly, so I can level up faster, and get to bossing faster was a big attractive for me, also being easer to get money on RS3 was also a really good point for me, as it is really boring when you can't get money because the money making is behind a high level requirement.
And also, with the EOC they can be way more creative with new bosses and monsters, GWD2 and group bosses are a good example where they could get creative because of this more complex combat system
Project Combat's video "Why Runescape's Combat System Feels Bad" hit's the sweet spot about the issue. I hope you watch it Protoxx
I've actually watched that and I was blown away by the amount of good arguments in that video.
@@ProtoxxGaming I totally agree with you, I was blown away too.
Made my big whip and shield become the smol whip and shield :c
2011 runescape needs to come back. dont @me. I miss it.
Wow "a friend" is ancient. I thought he wasnt even born back then
He started making videos a loooooong time ago :P
I remember this. 70%+ of my friendlist stopped playing, and I stopped soon after that lightbulb skill came out and I got 75 or 80+ on it before any guides came out.
I quit cause of all the microtransactions, dead pvp content I used to enjoy like castle wars, clan wars with randoms, stealing creation(without teams losing on purpose), and stuff.
Game was never the same since everyone was focused on maximizing experience and oldschool is just focused on boring pve. Never went back.
At least fantasy life is coming out for switch which is basically a 1 player runescape.
I remember I was going for 99 mining at lrc at that time. I had an inv to eoc beta. And amazing video Pro 👍
I went afk for a very long time when EOC got implemented.
Now I couldn't go without it.
I'm very glad people are coming back to RS3 these days, I really do feel like A Friend has helped out alot, but even more I just think people are finally getting over the EOC rage.
I'm not playing any form of Runescape currently and probably won't again for a while, but when I do come back I really want to come back to RS3.
That clip showed an ags spec 0 without overheads on.
personally glad EoC came out. its created way more interesting bosses and made combat enjoyable
if runescape 2010 come back I returned to the fucking game ...
Whats on the menu today?? A massive HOT topic along with a cup of tea sir!
Exactly this!
I think what’s keeping RuneScape from appealing to the majority of gamers is the tile walk system which makes it seem very clunky… imagine if rs3 had instant free movement like Diablo , wow, PoE etc… it would revolutionize the game while keeping everything we love. I don’t think the current tile system adds anything to the RuneScape experience
That would be Runescape 4 at that point, it's incredibly hard to re-make such a huge game while working on updates to keep players busy.. but it must happen one day, maybe starting a new division to focus on that specifically
Yes, as a returning player with lots of experience in PoE and Diablo, I can 100% say my apprehension with pvm comes from the tile & tick system. I can react, but the game works slower than my reactions. Bring on RS4!!
The thing about ability based combat is that it’s suppose to feel responsive. But eoc is not, i feel bad whenever i trigger abilities waiting for them to go off. Hope they fix the tick system soon. RS is still afkscape for me so i’m sticking with revo++ until they fix the responsiveness issue.
Yeah it would be so much better if they didn't use that awful tick system but I don't think its going anywhere anytime soon ;(
I staked my entire bank over and over again a few days before the release of EOC. Ended up getting to 5b+ and selling it to help pay for stuff during college and because EOC killed RuneScape for me. Came back in 2015 to max, and then again earlier this year and now I’m enjoying RuneScape again. Jagex has definitely greatly improved RuneScape since 2012
Ah nightmareRH.. the memories. He actually still does videos 🤣
He's hilarious, actual legend
I don't think it's that bad, the core is there but the tick system quite ruins it for me. Altough not enough to quit the game. Yet.
Based on what I understand of programming, the tick system is likely the cause of a lot of the problems that keep me from excelling in PVM. I'm alright, but a better system would make me somewhat good.
EOC the update that destroyed all "mid lvl" combat content there was. All the different pk account builds was a huge part of it.
Even today there is still no good mid lvl combat content within the game.
The only mid lvl content there is today.. Is hardly any bosses with any sort of mechanics that commend today's combat system usage of abilities.
This is something I believe Jagex needs to work on, make more low lvl bosses that requires the player to use their pvm skills in order to survive. Force the players to learn to use for example shield abilities, make insta kill mechanics, give the boss a massive amount of health as a tank boss, but then make them hit barely anything. The drops should be unique untradeables, combat items that should benefit mid lvl players. Why untradeables one may ask? This is to prevent high lvl pvmers to camp new bosses and make these items worthless.
This is what I feel the game is lacking today.
Having content like this added into the game, will surely help a lot of players getting into imersive combat early into the game. So one can learn to appreciate the usage of every abilities the game has to offer, and learn how to use them.
Something like that Cockroach Queen idea that was mentioned in the RuneScape subreddit a few years back?
I think due to powercreep, better training methods and frankly more dxp events; you can say gwd1 to gwd2 bossing is mid-lvl content. I do agree a more modern boss can be released for it. Like what QBD is now (first experience with mechanics for most) but with eoc in mind. I also like the idea of untradeable weapon drops in general.
@@Tinky1rs yes that's true, but keep in mind that those bosses hardly take any usage of shield abilities. This is something I even see high lvl pvmers struggling with. Like they hardly know how beneficial their shield really is. Also, if you rather wanna lvl up faster for higher pvm content.. You are still having one small problem.. Missing high lvl gear, which costs a fortune. Let us not forget not having curses with ss nor overloads.
Give new players bosses everyone can kill, just with mechanics. Especially mechanics that forces one to use their shield. Even add a simple prayer switch. Make the boss slow, so one can switch to it in time. And make a hardmode that speeds up these mechanics. This will encourage more players into joining more pvm.
Dont get me wrong, I am already doing lots of high lvl pvm content, solo and in groups. So this is not for me, this is for new players. I want to see them enjoy every aspects that the game has to offer than hearing them say, "yh I'll get to it, just need to make more money first". Often this will force new players to buy bonds if not keys to help them boost their progress faster, so they can really experience the game. I think that's wrong.
Better to make new low lvl bosses that will teach one how to play the game, and make the player become gradually better at it. Than lvling up super fast and then have to throw oneself into lots of different mechanics, which is happening super fast. A few deaths.. And they will be discouraged and won't go back.
I didn't switch to osrs in 2013 cause I thought: no way I am going to start over and ocasionally play this in 3 years. Here I am in 2021 still playing rs3 once in a while 🤣
Ps: I was poor and could use torva on the beta servers (armour was free for testing), that kinda seduced me over eoc as well
Miss old days... everyday
Ah yes, the comb at beeter. I remember that.
Honestly I prefer osrs combat interface. But I like the aoe and dps abilities of rs3, if they had a mixture of the 2 like dual increases dps, and 2h sword extended reach and gave an aoe of 2 or 3 squares straight in front and an axe gave an aoe of the 3 squares directly in front of you it would feel like the combat was way more improved. The really annoying part of osrs is tick manipulation and the main annoying thing about both is they're both switch scape now.
started RS in 2007 then quit in 2010... unlike most players I actually returned to RS when I saw eoc videos.. I found it cool and more fun and since ive just been hooked!
I quit when eoc came out, tho i didn't like some aspects of the combat system and as eng game pvmer i used to do solo nex in 20 mins using the game mechanics to my advantage, i could see the limitations of that combat system and actually even came to my own conclusion of needing abilities/action bar will allow a more complex, interactive, intuitive combat experience. I mean most bosses you would click and alternate prayers and that was it.
However they needed and still need to do something about the tick system instead of applying eoc over it.
I remember when i started playing again when EOC was pretty new, and i was 1 shotting people with range and magic bow in the wild. Just running out, stun and they were dead lmao
i wasnt hyped about eoc, but i do like how it is now.
Amazing video!
as for the feedback. a lot of the choices you could choose were mostly positive
I remember playing the beta for EoC and just loving it from the start. It just made the comebat feel a lot more engaging
I hated it and quit for a while when it came out, but came back and am now really enjoying it in terms of bossing. Being able to react to different mechanics with resonance,anticipation and so on feels engaging. I've played WoW WoTLK too and I can say in terms of mechanics RS bosses are pretty well made.
I was an EOC quitter back then until recently recovering my old account.. I plan to finally finish maxing the account I never finished. It is very difficult coming back after such a break but I'm enjoying it alot that being said the community is alot worse people used to be so helpful now everything i ask someone something they just ignore and no one talks to each other... is there any clan chats or discords for new players?
The biggest problem with eoc was that they didnt fix the tick rate. They probably wont get a better chance than that, and imo runescape suffers from the "blending" of more engaging mmo content with what is essentially an innate 600 ping baseline.