Great video! And I think why they wont let Phantom steal skills that increase lines is because that becomes hell to balance with their other stolen skills. For example if they could steal shadow partner and Cannoneer's Buskshot they would start dealing 4x lines of the damage. Would be fun though ahah
Dude this video was great. You have a ton of good insights and I really like the way your voice sounds, good mic and a good speaking voice really goes a long way. Def gonna check out anything else you do.
Can I just say that I love the lil guy running across the screen each time. I end up cheering him on as I watch and listen to the video. He's so adorable. Look at him goo!
In my mind Phantom can really only go up from here, I just don't want the stealing mechanic to be done away with because it creates the issues that Phantom has.
@@akis7333I would hope they removed the stealing mechanic. Such an outdated system that absolutely destroys the fun of the class, why play phantom and steal canoneer mobbing skills just for them to be worse then playing the actual class of that skill (which is universes better). They should completely rework phantom and just make it a card class with a deck of cards gauge, have skills that can manually shuffle through fb cards that give different buffs, or modes. Mobbing mode and a bossing mode, and have the mobbing center around cards flying everywhere and clearing the whole map when funded.
As a Phantom main. The reason I’m sticking with him is because I’m a big fan of his lore. It really sucks that he got butchered over the years because of skill stealing restrictions. Fun fact: Phantom has been shown to steal a skill from Luminous (though it was a minor light spell) during the Heroes of Maple blockbuster. This implies that Phantom can canonically steal more than just Explorer skills. Do what you will with that information. Imo, being able to only steal explorer skills is more of gameplay balancing than a cap on his canonical abilities cuz I’d like to believe he would mimic Luminous’ light magic just to piss him off.
Unfortunately, the main reason why most of us loved phantom in the first place is the reason why the class is held back from its full potential. Our 2nd mastery core (6th Job) made stealing offensive skills useless which consequently made a pair of tri-nodes (5th Job) useless, basically making it harder to obtain the nodes you actually need (that is going to be changed in the upcoming Winter Patch). Nexon is basically "fixing" the class through 6th Job instead of actually "improving" it. Both mastery cores should be the actual original skills imo. The reality is the stealing system needs to go, and phantom needs a full remaster. It's own identity to be at the par of everyone else. I am a phantom main and it makes me sad to say this, but we need to let it go. It could have been so good if implemented properly, but it is what it is. Phantom should had been first over Aran/Shade. OUR TIME WILL COME !!!!
As always, great video!!! I completely agree with you. For me its crazy that they revamped the heros and just didnt touch phantom... I love the idea behind the class. The execution though... not so much. But we can always inhale a bit of copium hoping that they change it! :D
Shortly before AB rework there were rumors of a Phantom rework and I was SO excited. Needless to say when AB was announced for a rework I was confused and seriously disappointed. AB rework was great though, went from hating the class to actually liking it. Phantom's day will come...
I think Phantoms should be given FD (or whatever stat that is important nowadays) for each DIFFERENT class skill they steal and as for the clone ability, I can see it as being either a set up tool a la Shadower decoy ability or a regular clone skill; personally i want a decoy skill that actually attacks with the second slot skills you steal and it cycles through them one after another. Or, heck, give phantom a clone ability for every job and they attack with the skills for that job. But this all hinges on whether or not they stick with the card/cane motif or the skill stealing motif.
I feel like a good rework for phantom would be to Remove Skill Stealing as a Mechanic and turn it into an Aesthetic Where Phantom has a solid working kit with more DPS than it currently has But it has many skills based/stolen from other classes already. Having Dark Sight, A summon, solid mobbing, etc. from many different jobs, not even having to stop at Explorers The Summon could be from Wild Hunter, they could have some Flora stolen skill, have their own Showdown but stylized more like in the Phantom Aesthetic. But basically be as if Phantom just took a lot of skills from other classes to make his own skill book. You could build it into his job advancements that are already lackluster 1st job stealing from explorers. 2nd job meeting the other heroes At 3rd job he goes to the resistance/nova and learns skill at 4th he meets the flora/zero
As a phantom main, I do hope he gets a rework, but I hope he still retains his class identity and the skill steal (Sorry for your loss, Aran). I understand it's hard though to balance for every single class, but maybe a group based (archer, thief, mage, etc.) class steal could be a thing
They either have to fully lean into the stealing motif and let us steal everything and give phantom big damage buffs or rework it like AB and lean into the card/gambit theme
A lot of people suggest removing Phantom's skill steal and just balance him like a regular regular class, but I like your idea just making the damage boosting baked in so there's more options. I'd love for there to be more skill slots as well, and maybe an active skillswap where you hold a skillswap button and press one of your impeccable memory skills, it brings up a directional menu similar to Xenon and swaps that skill
Brooooo this video was so good omg please I'm a phantom main I pray everyday bro please!!! My mihile with 10 m CP is stronger than my 27m cp phantom I'm just sad 😢😢😢😢 PLEASE NEXOM BUFF PHANTOM AND
The unfortunate reality is when a class in an MMO is copying skills from other classes in the specific way that Phantom does it ends up being something that needs to be balanced around regardless of what form it takes. If they build in final damage and prevented from stealing final damage, as you suggest, it’s also very likely it would lose some of its defensive utility precisely because the more valuable thing to do will be having a bunch of I-frames. There were points in the past where the class was really really strong due to scale combos it had access to. And as cool as that is that also kind of tells you that at a base level whenever they adjust other classes that are relevant for skills dealing they have to adjust them with the consideration of phantom being able to combine some of their abilities. So that would also mean extra time spent developing skills for all of the explore classes to make sure they are adequately strong but also not necessarily abusable in conjunction with each other. I think the more realistic solution is to do away with stealing entirely. You can’t even reasonably steal buffs from bosses anymore.
Recently came back to maple and found out how weak it is now saddens me, I LOVE his lore, being a hot thief reminds me of the thief from detective Conan anime. I used to play it till lvl80 when it first came out(don’t own a pc or laptop back then so I only play on my cousins’ when they are not)
Phantom also has a tie in to the cygnus knights with his backstory. If I were to buff him, I'd let him steal some more skills from classes (more summons, more consistent with what you can steal), give him 2 slots each for 1st-4th job for stolen skills instead of 1 each, and let him steal cygnus knight skills due to his background tie-in (this is where shadow partner could come from as an example, maybe you can only steal Nw's shadow partner, or maybe its hyper shadow partner that has its cooldown). But Aran's revamp does make it scary to hope for new revamps, which is why I've been sticking to Artale recently.
My phantom is my old main. It's in a terrible place imo. It's a 261 black heart mule with a gse at this point. I agree with everything in this video. Great content.
For me, Phantom's kit is very outdated and only got worse after the Explorers rework, which further limited the options for the class (instead of improving them). It's one of the classes that has been begging for rework for years. They should allow stealing for all classes from Maple World, and not just Explorers, because this limitation makes no sense at all. The second is to prohibit stealing any offensive buffs, and allow all defensive or utility buffs/training tools, such as i-frames, teleports, hs, summons and everything else. Implement the buffs in the character's base kit and change the offensive skills to be better than the stolen options, so that people only use the utility skills. I hope they rework it soon, it's one of the coolest classes in the game and one of the most hyped that has ever been released. Phantom deserves love.
I like that you brought up rogues from Ragnarok Online because they are also a copycat class that feels awful to play until late into the game when you can finally access their full kit. Phantoms having an entire skill slot locked into cross surge sucks but its better than having your copied skills be forcibly overwritten whenever a monster decides to attack you.
Yup, they had serious problems as well. I did however play exclusively on private servers since NA didn't even have access to official at the time. Some private servers took it upon themselves to try to balance classes and in a handful I played Rogue was slightly reworked to have better Plagiarism.
Allthough I do not at all agree with your sentiment on stealing skills and I rather see it scrapped in a rework, I loved the vid. Any coverage on the class is great imo haha. :)
Rath brotha, I think u got so much potential to be a bigger content creator. Maplestory doesn’t have that big of a community compared to other platforms. I think your channel would explode if you branch out!
I was hoping they make the title “Master Thief” Phantom alive again, instead of stealing pesky 1/2/3/4/H skills and segment them, combine them into a skill and make it that they can only steal 1 skills to use and a loadout of maybe 20? or maybe lesser, idk(up to balance team) and make it that we “steal” the core skills like Combo(again, yes please) or The dmg for party(i dont rmb precisely) from Bishop, living up to their name “MASTER” Thief, like why are we stealing first job skill???? It’s like saying: Me: I am Master Thief Phantom Them: What can you do that makes you special? Me: I can Dark Sight Like what a ridiculous thing to say 🤦♂️ What are we even Master about? Being the “STRONGEST” thief to be made just to be even weaker than a 3rd job Thief. *I know i say the word Master Thief Phantom alot, but i just like how they call themselves
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Great video! And I think why they wont let Phantom steal skills that increase lines is because that becomes hell to balance with their other stolen skills. For example if they could steal shadow partner and Cannoneer's Buskshot they would start dealing 4x lines of the damage. Would be fun though ahah
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A hurricane style skill that does 8 lines consistently sounds extremely fun lol
Dude this video was great. You have a ton of good insights and I really like the way your voice sounds, good mic and a good speaking voice really goes a long way. Def gonna check out anything else you do.
Thanks for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed it! :)
0:30 you can duck Magnus!?!
You have for a while now
An actual video essay! I do so love video essays. Phantom needs literally any amount of attention for sure.
Can I just say that I love the lil guy running across the screen each time. I end up cheering him on as I watch and listen to the video. He's so adorable. Look at him goo!
I'm glad people love it so much!
If it wasn't for the Aran and Shade remaster I would have held hope for the phantom one.
In my mind Phantom can really only go up from here, I just don't want the stealing mechanic to be done away with because it creates the issues that Phantom has.
@@RathGMS Seeing how they changed and balanced classes recently I would expect them to remove the stealing mechanic. If they remastered him.
@@akis7333I would hope they removed the stealing mechanic. Such an outdated system that absolutely destroys the fun of the class, why play phantom and steal canoneer mobbing skills just for them to be worse then playing the actual class of that skill (which is universes better). They should completely rework phantom and just make it a card class with a deck of cards gauge, have skills that can manually shuffle through fb cards that give different buffs, or modes. Mobbing mode and a bossing mode, and have the mobbing center around cards flying everywhere and clearing the whole map when funded.
As a Phantom main. The reason I’m sticking with him is because I’m a big fan of his lore. It really sucks that he got butchered over the years because of skill stealing restrictions.
Fun fact: Phantom has been shown to steal a skill from Luminous (though it was a minor light spell) during the Heroes of Maple blockbuster. This implies that Phantom can canonically steal more than just Explorer skills. Do what you will with that information. Imo, being able to only steal explorer skills is more of gameplay balancing than a cap on his canonical abilities cuz I’d like to believe he would mimic Luminous’ light magic just to piss him off.
Unfortunately, the main reason why most of us loved phantom in the first place is the reason why the class is held back from its full potential. Our 2nd mastery core (6th Job) made stealing offensive skills useless which consequently made a pair of tri-nodes (5th Job) useless, basically making it harder to obtain the nodes you actually need (that is going to be changed in the upcoming Winter Patch). Nexon is basically "fixing" the class through 6th Job instead of actually "improving" it. Both mastery cores should be the actual original skills imo. The reality is the stealing system needs to go, and phantom needs a full remaster. It's own identity to be at the par of everyone else.
I am a phantom main and it makes me sad to say this, but we need to let it go. It could have been so good if implemented properly, but it is what it is. Phantom should had been first over Aran/Shade. OUR TIME WILL COME !!!!
As always, great video!!!
I completely agree with you. For me its crazy that they revamped the heros and just didnt touch phantom... I love the idea behind the class. The execution though... not so much. But we can always inhale a bit of copium hoping that they change it! :D
Shortly before AB rework there were rumors of a Phantom rework and I was SO excited. Needless to say when AB was announced for a rework I was confused and seriously disappointed.
AB rework was great though, went from hating the class to actually liking it. Phantom's day will come...
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Commence judgey ppnut.
It WAS worse. I had a day here I got rejected and assumed it was all 7 runs, not running out of tickets.
Glad to see you're still making maple videos. And I too love phantom no matter how bad they need a rework.
I think Phantoms should be given FD (or whatever stat that is important nowadays) for each DIFFERENT class skill they steal and as for the clone ability, I can see it as being either a set up tool a la Shadower decoy ability or a regular clone skill; personally i want a decoy skill that actually attacks with the second slot skills you steal and it cycles through them one after another. Or, heck, give phantom a clone ability for every job and they attack with the skills for that job.
But this all hinges on whether or not they stick with the card/cane motif or the skill stealing motif.
When is the patch he mentions where we don't need as much exp for the 6th job advancement?
The Dark Ride update coming tomorrow, at least it's supposed to be in this patch based on KMS and all the other QoL we do have confirmed.
10/10 title
Phantom needs a total rework, there really is no way to salvage phantom as they currently are.
facts bro i funded my phantom boss mule and hes still so shit 😭😭
I feel like a good rework for phantom would be to
Remove Skill Stealing as a Mechanic and turn it into an Aesthetic
Where Phantom has a solid working kit with more DPS than it currently has
But it has many skills based/stolen from other classes already.
Having Dark Sight, A summon, solid mobbing, etc. from many different jobs, not even having to stop at Explorers
The Summon could be from Wild Hunter, they could have some Flora stolen skill, have their own Showdown but stylized more like in the Phantom Aesthetic.
But basically be as if Phantom just took a lot of skills from other classes to make his own skill book.
You could build it into his job advancements that are already lackluster
1st job stealing from explorers.
2nd job meeting the other heroes
At 3rd job he goes to the resistance/nova and learns skill
at 4th he meets the flora/zero
Literally made my phantom this morning and was sitting in channel 1 Henesys 👍🏽
Make carte like bats or nl marks , make judgement card buffs stack, make tempest no cd
As a phantom main, I do hope he gets a rework, but I hope he still retains his class identity and the skill steal (Sorry for your loss, Aran).
I understand it's hard though to balance for every single class, but maybe a group based (archer, thief, mage, etc.) class steal could be a thing
They either have to fully lean into the stealing motif and let us steal everything and give phantom big damage buffs or rework it like AB and lean into the card/gambit theme
A lot of people suggest removing Phantom's skill steal and just balance him like a regular regular class, but I like your idea just making the damage boosting baked in so there's more options. I'd love for there to be more skill slots as well, and maybe an active skillswap where you hold a skillswap button and press one of your impeccable memory skills, it brings up a directional menu similar to Xenon and swaps that skill
My Phantom is in the same boat as yours, even then after I get it to 6th I probably wont be touching it until they fix it's FD issues.
Brooooo this video was so good omg please I'm a phantom main I pray everyday bro please!!! My mihile with 10 m CP is stronger than my 27m cp phantom I'm just sad 😢😢😢😢 PLEASE NEXOM BUFF PHANTOM AND
The unfortunate reality is when a class in an MMO is copying skills from other classes in the specific way that Phantom does it ends up being something that needs to be balanced around regardless of what form it takes. If they build in final damage and prevented from stealing final damage, as you suggest, it’s also very likely it would lose some of its defensive utility precisely because the more valuable thing to do will be having a bunch of I-frames.
There were points in the past where the class was really really strong due to scale combos it had access to. And as cool as that is that also kind of tells you that at a base level whenever they adjust other classes that are relevant for skills dealing they have to adjust them with the consideration of phantom being able to combine some of their abilities.
So that would also mean extra time spent developing skills for all of the explore classes to make sure they are adequately strong but also not necessarily abusable in conjunction with each other. I think the more realistic solution is to do away with stealing entirely. You can’t even reasonably steal buffs from bosses anymore.
imagine if phantom could steal nl's assasin's mark and bm's magic arrows it would be like adele swords on steroids lol
If I'm not mistaking phantoms used to be able to steal the battleship skill from corsairs.
Recently came back to maple and found out how weak it is now saddens me, I LOVE his lore, being a hot thief reminds me of the thief from detective Conan anime. I used to play it till lvl80 when it first came out(don’t own a pc or laptop back then so I only play on my cousins’ when they are not)
Phantom also has a tie in to the cygnus knights with his backstory. If I were to buff him, I'd let him steal some more skills from classes (more summons, more consistent with what you can steal), give him 2 slots each for 1st-4th job for stolen skills instead of 1 each, and let him steal cygnus knight skills due to his background tie-in (this is where shadow partner could come from as an example, maybe you can only steal Nw's shadow partner, or maybe its hyper shadow partner that has its cooldown). But Aran's revamp does make it scary to hope for new revamps, which is why I've been sticking to Artale recently.
My phantom is my old main. It's in a terrible place imo. It's a 261 black heart mule with a gse at this point. I agree with everything in this video. Great content.
For me, Phantom's kit is very outdated and only got worse after the Explorers rework, which further limited the options for the class (instead of improving them). It's one of the classes that has been begging for rework for years.
They should allow stealing for all classes from Maple World, and not just Explorers, because this limitation makes no sense at all. The second is to prohibit stealing any offensive buffs, and allow all defensive or utility buffs/training tools, such as i-frames, teleports, hs, summons and everything else. Implement the buffs in the character's base kit and change the offensive skills to be better than the stolen options, so that people only use the utility skills. I hope they rework it soon, it's one of the coolest classes in the game and one of the most hyped that has ever been released. Phantom deserves love.
I was wondering why RUclips suggested a MS video but it's because they labeled this video as Genshin Impact 😂
That's probably because of my Genshin channel lol
I like that you brought up rogues from Ragnarok Online because they are also a copycat class that feels awful to play until late into the game when you can finally access their full kit.
Phantoms having an entire skill slot locked into cross surge sucks but its better than having your copied skills be forcibly overwritten whenever a monster decides to attack you.
Yup, they had serious problems as well. I did however play exclusively on private servers since NA didn't even have access to official at the time. Some private servers took it upon themselves to try to balance classes and in a handful I played Rogue was slightly reworked to have better Plagiarism.
are you angelic rath
Allthough I do not at all agree with your sentiment on stealing skills and I rather see it scrapped in a rework, I loved the vid. Any coverage on the class is great imo haha. :)
Rath brotha, I think u got so much potential to be a bigger content creator. Maplestory doesn’t have that big of a community compared to other platforms. I think your channel would explode if you branch out!
phantom removal like beast tamer
Should just get the Jett treatment tbh
I was hoping they make the title “Master Thief” Phantom alive again, instead of stealing pesky 1/2/3/4/H skills and segment them, combine them into a skill and make it that they can only steal 1 skills to use and a loadout of maybe 20? or maybe lesser, idk(up to balance team) and make it that we “steal” the core skills like Combo(again, yes please) or The dmg for party(i dont rmb precisely) from Bishop, living up to their name “MASTER” Thief, like why are we stealing first job skill????
It’s like saying:
Me: I am Master Thief Phantom
Them: What can you do that makes you special?
Me: I can Dark Sight
Like what a ridiculous thing to say 🤦♂️
What are we even Master about? Being the “STRONGEST” thief to be made just to be even weaker than a 3rd job Thief.
*I know i say the word Master Thief Phantom alot, but i just like how they call themselves
This class sucks.
PFP checks out lol
Dont make phantom the strongest class in the game.
Phantom doesn't deserve a rework, cope more.
I am leveling a phantom for link skill / legion and I fucking hate it. All you do is hold the stabby stabby move...