@@GamingTech-RUclipsI think maybe it works for minor drops but some of the more big drops like to 54 or 52 might be traversal stutter. Like some parts of the world will have an area that you feel it a lot and maybe it’s because it’s transition from one section to another in the background continuously. Some areas seem perfectly smooth and look good. Some of the areas with drops don’t even have much foliage or object density. It’s just odd
I think this video has nailed my issue with the game. Based on the Digital Foundry video and your video, it doesn't look like the frame rate goes below 48 FPS all that often in "Performance" mode, but I have been noticing extremely frequent judders when playing the game on my 120hz VRR display. Looks like the VRR is straight-up broken in the game.
I dont thi k they have tested vrr in the game. They assumed that it worked as it usually does. They never sqy explicitly in their video that it works @@alex1212456
I have definitely stopped playing until they fix the problem. This combat needs a lot of fluidity the experience when it loses 60 fps, even with VRR, is bad. It affects the perception, fluidity and pace of the combat a lot. I don't think it's a problem of VRR not working as much as it is that the frame time is very bad.
Vrr not working for me but I think the graphics are pretty good overall. It’s only if you put it next to Tsushima it looks mediocre. But what game dosnt look mediocre next to Tsushima? I don’t expect cutting edge from team ninja. On a side note I think this game would benefit from 40fps quality mode
TLOU, TLOU2, RDR2, Ratchet and Clank, all Spiderman games, GoW 1 & 2... Plenty of games do look at least as good as Tsushima. This one looks awful, indeed
VRR Works but digital foundry said its frametime / ms goes to sometimes to 200-300 ms which results in stutterin. The game simply isnt optimized but VRR working as it supposed to be
Yes I did experience the same stutters in Performance mode with VRR activated and asked myself the same question... The only answer I can find for now is that, as DF had mentioned in the past, VRR is oftentimes not enough to smooth out dips in the lowest range (sub 60 fps) especially when frame times of a given game are inherently incorrectly paced. I did experience a similar situation in Star Wars Jedi Survivor.
The game certainly doesn't look good enough for how bad the performance is. GOT runs at a solid 60 fps while having beautiful landscapes and an even larger seamless open world.
@@WardedPredator Yes, games like Lies of P look horrendous with flicker during normal gameplay. I prefer using Game Motion Plus on the Samsung S95C and haven’t looked back from 60Hz.
It's not that vrr is not working it's that the engine is targeted around 30/60 frame intervals like the last games using this engine. Which means that it creates camera stutter if you fall outside of a fps interval. Other games have this behaviour such as the recent enshrouded.
Mines sometimes experience stuttering when you about to start any missions but only sometimes im using performance mode. in my qn90 only some flickering in mud area .but the the game is fun although the story is not organized a bit.
Can't wait for the PC version.. I love team ninja's games, but they aren't very good at graphic stuff. Nioh 2 on PC works just fine with VRR at least, but I noticed it didn't support arbitrary fixed refresh rates which was a problem for me as I much prefer BFI over VRR, and 60fps vsync'd had stutter issues but 120fps vsync didn't, so I played that whole game at 120fps with extreme upscaling last year, lol Still Ronin looks beautiful on your TV! HDR truly fix the game's bad contrast and colors in SDR. Everyone is trashing Ronin for the graphics yet nobody but you seem to be playing in HDR.
“Everyones trashing ronin for the graphics” youtubers make up 0.01% of gamers. Everyone playing the game is loving it. and who turns hdr off? That shits on automatic.
@@joeydirt420 I know And HDR is hardly automatic on PC, on consoles I dunno but nobody is talking about HDR gaming outside of niche circles like this channel. It's no wonder when it only looks right half of the time.
Strange because I stried to play Nioh 2 with VRR on PC and it straight up didn't work using a 4080 on a LG C3 also tried on a QN85c and no matter what settings it just didn't work.
The problem is, Team Ninja games only look good at 30, 60 and 120. If you drop any frames you get stutter because the camera is not designed to do that. You can't lock those games at arbitrary framerates. I have a 4080 and Wo Long drops some frames at 120fps due to the effects... And it feels horrible
Ein ganz wichtiges Video, danke Markus! Ich kann nur hoffen, dass Team Ninja sich diesem momentanen technischen Scherbenhaufen annimmt! VRR auf meinem LG C3 greift überhaupt nicht, scheint ein Frametime Problem oder eine Art von Bug zu sein.
Turn off HDR and use HLG if your tv has it. On Rt mode it feels fine. Everyone complaining avout visuals but havent hears anyone dive into gameplay details hmmm sounds like yall play for 20 minutes to look at options and go back to fortnite
Fair video, I have an LG Cs, just got to Edo and walking through the temple garden I see game optimiser actually drop 59 - 54 in performance mode. I tried forcing vrr off and on and it definitely does "something" but both still choppy turning camera. Game usually runs OK at I'd say 57-59. They made a great game but I really hope they keep releasing performance patches. Patch 1.002 made a clear improvement to Performance mode. Crispy solid 60 would be so nice. Its weird that the game is not yet featured on Team Ninjas website. I don't understand why give us graphics and especially Ray tracing modes? Just pick one and make it polished. Cheers.
Love the game but I find the performance issues weird (playing on a C9). VRR operates at the display end not the game end, no? A game doesn’t have to ‘support’ VRR. Maybe someone can explain.
I don't have Rise of Ronin, so I can't comment on the specifics here, but if I may speculate for a moment: Could it be that the game has severe stutters for other reasons (such as the game slamming the CPU for a brief second, or something else) that the game actually stops and therefore stutters? If the console has to literally wait for something, VRR will do nothing to smooth out those stutters.
Had no issues forcing VRR in RoTR. Using a 77" A80J and game has been fine in most all modes w VRR (when within the window, Performance Mode is ideal atm)
If the drops are cpu related VRR wont save you. The frame time spikes will cause stutter regardless. Same issue in some areas in cyberpunk as well as in jedi survivor
@@maciekprokop3780 yes but its native, the game in quality mode hits the 1440p so makes no sense to run it upscaled 4k. And maybe its my monitor but it feels better as well. Try buying a high end monitor then we talk about it buddy
Thanks a lot for your video as always 😎👏 I wanted to buy this game but when I saw your video I understood it was better to wait for a VRR fix ! Even in performance mode this is bad… my S95B is not going to like it 😅
Is VRR Working For You?
I don’t think it’s working either but digital foundry says it’s working fine. I’m really confused lol
@@GamingTech-RUclipsI think maybe it works for minor drops but some of the more big drops like to 54 or 52 might be traversal stutter. Like some parts of the world will have an area that you feel it a lot and maybe it’s because it’s transition from one section to another in the background continuously. Some areas seem perfectly smooth and look good. Some of the areas with drops don’t even have much foliage or object density. It’s just odd
@@alex1212456 they also said that it worked with cyberpunk, but on my XSX and 120hz VRR TV it absolutely doesn't work...
I think this video has nailed my issue with the game. Based on the Digital Foundry video and your video, it doesn't look like the frame rate goes below 48 FPS all that often in "Performance" mode, but I have been noticing extremely frequent judders when playing the game on my 120hz VRR display.
Looks like the VRR is straight-up broken in the game.
I dont thi k they have tested vrr in the game. They assumed that it worked as it usually does. They never sqy explicitly in their video that it works @@alex1212456
Why do Fromsoftware, Team Ninja, Square Enix and Capcom hate good performance ?
Lack of skills, like most Japanese developers
Because it costs time to make it run perfectly, and they only care about shipping as much trash as possible in the shortest amount of time.
Terrible engines and optimization
I hope you will make an update video if this gets fixed. I'm holding off until then. Great video!
Try to turn off VRR entirely it may help for performance mode.Because in some games on PS5 , VRR not removes statters but add some more
Wondering what the hell the “minor drops but VRR smooths it out so you can’t tell” people are talking about. It’s noticeable as fuck and constant
Vrr is not working... im playin with quality mode it looks better. Maybe after some patches for performance mode
I have definitely stopped playing until they fix the problem. This combat needs a lot of fluidity the experience when it loses 60 fps, even with VRR, is bad. It affects the perception, fluidity and pace of the combat a lot. I don't think it's a problem of VRR not working as much as it is that the frame time is very bad.
Vrr not working for me.
Bad frametimes....maybe.
Vrr not working for me but I think the graphics are pretty good overall. It’s only if you put it next to Tsushima it looks mediocre. But what game dosnt look mediocre next to Tsushima? I don’t expect cutting edge from team ninja.
On a side note I think this game would benefit from 40fps quality mode
A 40FPS Mode would be great
Almost all games coming out currently would highly benefit from a 40fps mode. It's a shame more developers are not betting on that.
TLOU, TLOU2, RDR2, Ratchet and Clank, all Spiderman games, GoW 1 & 2... Plenty of games do look at least as good as Tsushima.
This one looks awful, indeed
A 60 fps with 2k should be normal
Game is so fun to play. Great value for your money. Can you answer one question, Who do any of these comparisons and complaints matter?
They need a good update then its perfect. The game is very very good
problem is that the dynamic resolution is not dropping quick and far enough to stay above 48fps. We need a patch to make the DSR more aggressive
I mean Woudnt vrr be good in that situation tho
VRR Works but digital foundry said its frametime / ms goes to sometimes to 200-300 ms which results in stutterin. The game simply isnt optimized but VRR working as it supposed to be
One thing is for certain…Rise of Ronin peforms FAR BETTER then Dragons Dogma 2…Smdh@capcom
and it looks 10 times worse. DD runs in +- 4K with RT and with much higher graphics quality.
Disgusting how none of the reviews mentioned the glaring performance issues plaguing that game. No game is a 9 or 10 running like that
@@mmmccir5063They're both shit. And if you purchased either at full price, YOU are the problem.
At least Ronin let you disabling motion blur,dof and all that bs.
Actually it dosent stutter on xbox with 40-60 vrr and lfc. It also looks beautiful unlike this game
And as of today still i am hoping for a performance patch for this game ....
Yes I did experience the same stutters in Performance mode with VRR activated and asked myself the same question... The only answer I can find for now is that, as DF had mentioned in the past, VRR is oftentimes not enough to smooth out dips in the lowest range (sub 60 fps) especially when frame times of a given game are inherently incorrectly paced. I did experience a similar situation in Star Wars Jedi Survivor.
Markus can you make a video of your LG G2 settings like you did with LG CX. Would be really nice.
The game certainly doesn't look good enough for how bad the performance is. GOT runs at a solid 60 fps while having beautiful landscapes and an even larger seamless open world.
Is now VRR maybe repaird?
I no longer use vrr
Why is that?
@@GamingTech-RUclips Gamma shift
@@JumpRopeLift the flicker/pulsing in dark scenes?
@@WardedPredator Yes, games like Lies of P look horrendous with flicker during normal gameplay. I prefer using Game Motion Plus on the Samsung S95C and haven’t looked back from 60Hz.
@@JumpRopeLift yep I noticed it in a lot of games especially Alan wake 2 using a LG C3.
same problem with a samsung q70T although on the TV panel put VRR any mini-drop below 60 fps, immediately causes a perception of stuttering.
vrr with rayracing mode frame rate unlocked is smooth but the graphics mode with vrr is not smooth when frame rates are unlocked.
This game if didn't have this awesome combat would be doomed. Graphics ans hardware are not good to pay £70. I would pay £40-£45 max.
Japanese devs hate good framepacing with their 30 fps locks. Dragon’s dogma 2 has the same problem currently with their quality mode
It's not that vrr is not working it's that the engine is targeted around 30/60 frame intervals like the last games using this engine. Which means that it creates camera stutter if you fall outside of a fps interval. Other games have this behaviour such as the recent enshrouded.
Mines sometimes experience stuttering when you about to start any missions but only sometimes im using performance mode. in my qn90 only some flickering in mud area .but the the game is fun although the story is not organized a bit.
I don't think it looks that bad. Of course the lighting is flat but I like the artdesign alot.
Can't wait for the PC version..
I love team ninja's games, but they aren't very good at graphic stuff. Nioh 2 on PC works just fine with VRR at least, but I noticed it didn't support arbitrary fixed refresh rates which was a problem for me as I much prefer BFI over VRR, and 60fps vsync'd had stutter issues but 120fps vsync didn't, so I played that whole game at 120fps with extreme upscaling last year, lol
Still Ronin looks beautiful on your TV! HDR truly fix the game's bad contrast and colors in SDR. Everyone is trashing Ronin for the graphics yet nobody but you seem to be playing in HDR.
“Everyones trashing ronin for the graphics” youtubers make up 0.01% of gamers. Everyone playing the game is loving it. and who turns hdr off? That shits on automatic.
@@joeydirt420 I know
And HDR is hardly automatic on PC, on consoles I dunno but nobody is talking about HDR gaming outside of niche circles like this channel. It's no wonder when it only looks right half of the time.
Strange because I stried to play Nioh 2 with VRR on PC and it straight up didn't work using a 4080 on a LG C3 also tried on a QN85c and no matter what settings it just didn't work.
The problem is, Team Ninja games only look good at 30, 60 and 120. If you drop any frames you get stutter because the camera is not designed to do that. You can't lock those games at arbitrary framerates. I have a 4080 and Wo Long drops some frames at 120fps due to the effects... And it feels horrible
Sir what is your game settings on this game CX or Qn90 thanks.
Ein ganz wichtiges Video, danke Markus! Ich kann nur hoffen, dass Team Ninja sich diesem momentanen technischen Scherbenhaufen annimmt! VRR auf meinem LG C3 greift überhaupt nicht, scheint ein Frametime Problem oder eine Art von Bug zu sein.
Your top 3 best games in the last decade?
Turn off HDR and use HLG if your tv has it. On Rt mode it feels fine. Everyone complaining avout visuals but havent hears anyone dive into gameplay details hmmm sounds like yall play for 20 minutes to look at options and go back to fortnite
Running it on a lg cx65 and its definitely not workiing. The gane stutters non stop. Especially in the pleasure zone. Feels sub 30.
Fair video, I have an LG Cs, just got to Edo and walking through the temple garden I see game optimiser actually drop 59 - 54 in performance mode. I tried forcing vrr off and on and it definitely does "something" but both still choppy turning camera. Game usually runs OK at I'd say 57-59.
They made a great game but I really hope they keep releasing performance patches. Patch 1.002 made a clear improvement to Performance mode. Crispy solid 60 would be so nice. Its weird that the game is not yet featured on Team Ninjas website. I don't understand why give us graphics and especially Ray tracing modes? Just pick one and make it polished. Cheers.
Nope, not for me... LG 48CX
Oh and for the record I'm LOVING the game... hooked as hell on it.
I have an Oled LG CX, and the stuttering is killing it for me, VRR is on. Hopefully, they will fix this with an update patch.
Love the game but I find the performance issues weird (playing on a C9). VRR operates at the display end not the game end, no? A game doesn’t have to ‘support’ VRR. Maybe someone can explain.
Getting plenty of stuttering on my C9. It’s weird as I thought VRR works 60-48hz whether it’s supported by the game or not. Mystery.
I don't have Rise of Ronin, so I can't comment on the specifics here, but if I may speculate for a moment:
Could it be that the game has severe stutters for other reasons (such as the game slamming the CPU for a brief second, or something else) that the game actually stops and therefore stutters? If the console has to literally wait for something, VRR will do nothing to smooth out those stutters.
Some games on PS5 have statter problem in 30fps mode if VRR is enabled.
You should turn it off manualy in console options.
Had no issues forcing VRR in RoTR. Using a 77" A80J and game has been fine in most all modes w VRR (when within the window, Performance Mode is ideal atm)
This is why Sony should have never came out with this half-baked solution where you have to rely on devs to utilize it
I have a G1 and can tell you that the stuttering on mine is shocking the Graphics are deplorable so I returned the game
I would have uncapped frame rate mode any day! Then a 30 locked fps. I hope they patch it soon
The game is looking pretty, thought it was a complete dumpster fire
They should just give us 40 fps mode how hard can it be?
Nope, not working since I haven't bought the game 🤣
Sony x90j. VRR not working in this game.
VRR doesn't work in GOW RR either, go test it you will see.
If the drops are cpu related VRR wont save you. The frame time spikes will cause stutter regardless. Same issue in some areas in cyberpunk as well as in jedi survivor
Do you mean traversal stutter?
Vrr not working because of the framepacing
team ninja games dont work with vrr since nioh, i dont think they ever fix it
Both on the console and pc from my previous test
I couldn't get VRR working on Nioh 2 on PC and I tried 2 separate VRR displays.
@@WardedPredator Yeah, it seems their engine just doesnt work with VRR, i tested WoLong last year and it still doesnt work
@@polly_2526 yep thats what I'd assume although there is another user in the comments saying Nioh 2 on PC works fine with VRR.
@@polly_2526 Not even on PC, which is pretty weird
Ya it's stuttering for me also, shame
The game is awesome, it runs very fluid.
Yeah, for sure 💯😉
Manually locking the ps5 to 1440p plus graphics mode with uncapped frame rate mode is near perfect for me.
It doesnt mean game will be in 1440p 😂 its just for monitor
@@maciekprokop3780 yes but its native, the game in quality mode hits the 1440p so makes no sense to run it upscaled 4k. And maybe its my monitor but it feels better as well. Try buying a high end monitor then we talk about it buddy
@@nukenin5457 I have 4k oled tv
Resolution mode in this game will shine on the ps5 pro.
🙏🙏
Model TV ????
Thank you
which tv is this?
LG G2
Thanks a lot for your video as always 😎👏
I wanted to buy this game but when I saw your video I understood it was better to wait for a VRR fix ! Even in performance mode this is bad… my S95B is not going to like it 😅