I built the dumbest off-road suspension you've never heard of
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- Опубликовано: 21 фев 2024
- Thanks everyone for following along with the build, if you want to check out more videos on this truck you can check out our instagram. We've been building and tuning custom 3 and 4 link suspensions for a long time, so it's fun to do something different and break up the monotony. This parallel 4 link upper trailing arm watts link is definitely the first suspension of its kind to ever be put under a 2012 nissan frontier in San Diego, pretty sure we will hold that title for at least a while. Hopefully i did a decent job of explaining the fabrication work that went behind building this custom watts link (instead of a panhard bar).
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I'm a suspension expert, and this is suspension.
Doctor, I concur.
I'm a suspension gender professor and like this suspension, I'm confused.
The suspension is immense
This suspension is made of suspension
I heard you like suspension, so we gave your suspension suspension so you can suspension while you suspensioning.
Love the watts link, can't understand why we don't see more of them, never seen a horizontal one before. Bravo 👏
Damn. Came to say this and got ninja'd.
Horizontal is honestly the worst way to do one but i was dealing with packaging constraints.
Compared to a traditional triangulated 4 link. The watts uses unnecessary moving parts and added weight for no advantage. In this case I see why it was used and is a better option then a pan hard bar.
I really wanted to build a Watts link for my parralel 4 link, since it has 8" of compression when i dump my bags to hook to a trailer and 12"+ of extension from ride hight. but didn't have space with the air bags. Never thought to just lay it flat.
@@WheelEveryWeekendcheck out superfast Matt, he considered the horizontal setup for his offroad viper. He called it the Matt’s linkage haha.
Super cool to see you actually built it
Mr watts is the reason we live in the luxury of today . This dude helped to lay the groundwork for the steam age
A little photographer tip: longer lenses will give you significantly flatter and dimensionally accurate images. Use the zoom lens on your phone, even if you have to step back 15’. If you have a professional camera and Lightroom, you can take it a step further, and completely compensate for the curvature of your lens to get an even flatter image. You can do the same thing with any camera/lens combo that isn’t listed. You just have to map a new profile by taking a photo of a grid and manually adjusting it.
I have a 85-200 for my a7iii which i've used before and it absolutely does help! The biggest thing with the frame (and the reason why i didnt bother) is its not actually flat, it angles out and down so even if i had an accurate 2d representation it would take some trial and error to make the 3d version work. I didn't know you can map a new profile, i have a grid sheet i use to take photos of tabs and i usually just manually adjust it until it looks right. Im gonna youtube how to do that
You did what I've been thinking about for a decade but have no money to test! Thank you so much !
This is a new one on me .. horizontal Watts linkage! It's genius. My truck has languished for too long hoping to work out how to make suspension on a work truck handle desert racing conditions. I generally study standard service manuals but this ancient system in a horizontal config I never saw . Can't say I'm going to do it now I know how, Time has changed my needs and wants. Victory is mine now though since the answer has now been uncovered by you. Brilliant!
that's the first time seeing the horizontal watts link, killer fab skills bud.
Dude, that "horizontal" watts link is the answer I have been looking for! Great work and thanks for sharing. I absolutely hate how a panhard bar shifts the whole diff so far out of center at full extension.
After being your winch point at the corva event and asking about you channel, glad to see you back on here.
Appreciate the encouragement, this video probably wouldnt have happened without you lighting that fire for me.
This is so cool
i just subscribed b/c the level of fabrication is insane!! you had me at watts link for rear and seeing your sas truck hit the bumps... i thought hmm i should do that too.. .then all the cad files came out and everything and i thought.."yea... this is out of my league 😂🤣😭😭😭
Theres a ton you can do without cad or a plasma table or bender, but it sure does help. Thanks man i appreciate it!
Even James Watts was like "wat?"
I think 20 inches of travel became 27 inches because laws of physics just gave up at that point and said, "here, just have 27 instead"
i seriously screwed something up, still not sure how
Great video, really impressed with your designs and execution. It's very refreshing to see someone doing it their way and sharing the reasoning
Glad you enjoyed it!
My dude starts saying shit I'm like...I have no clue what that means... but it's provocative
Gets the people GOING
Iam so happy I found this channel. Just want my morning needed. Super information with a couple laughs in between. Thank you for putting out content!
Raw fabrication, welding, the grin when outcomes are better than expected. Life doesn't get any better. Great work!
That's really cool! I don't know why I never thought of making the link horizontal. Nice job!
Glad I found you. When I was in Diesel school my ride share was in Mechanical drafting. Man we could create when together. Miss that guy
2:50 what can help with the photo reference inaccuracy is opening it in an image editing program and enabling lens correction which will stretch it in a negative fisheye way and make things more square. Not perfect, but better than nothing, and if you're using a common phone/camera it's also automatic.
What also helps is talking the picture from further away.
Got my sub this is my first vid from you I have seen. I watched super fast mat draw up a horizontal watts link for his viper and not end up building it but it is cool to see you actually build it. He calculated Wierd stresses with it being horizontal.
interesting, my cad model didnt show any weird stresses
dude 3:05 ......this way of 3d modeling will save so much time!!!! that's genius omg
This is very similar to what SuperfastMatt was conceptualizing for his Viper
Really impressive Build And craftsmanship/fabrication! Excited for all of the new videos coming out 🔥🔥
Thanks! I have 4 or 5 more videos partially edited, finally have some free time to make stuff.
I have a crew cab Duramax with the triangulated for link in the front and a vertically mounted watts link on the rear. Has huge custom-made bronze bushings for the center pivot and the links are forged. Ballistic ends. Keep the gas tank in the proper location and keep that axle centered. Totally slick set up you have there. I’m surprised we don’t see more of them.
Very impressive! Just stumbled across your channel. I've been thinking about a very similar setup for a long time.
This video was dense. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks for the video. Excellent fab, new heim joints are amazing. I'm old school on leaf springs, but Dirt every Day.
Superfastmatt considered that style link for his offroad viper build. Cool to see it successfully done, and on a frontier no less. Also, the vq40 sounds fine...it's just a v6 and not a big v8...you ain't going to get rumbles out of a v6.
Man talk about a underrated Car Tube channel.
Nice idea on the designing with the reference photo. Hot tip, camera lens distortion kind of stops after 50mm focal length so you use an SLR with a 50mm lens the parts should fit. Only limitation is that it’s quite zoomed so you have to move the camera back. Which isn’t great when you are under a truck.
How can you hate or your level of work. Thanks for sharing
Nice, somebody built the matty-go-round 😂
Great job man! Very informative and engaging stuff!
Appreciate it!
High praise from another mechanical minded off-roader.
My overland truck, which is built on a military truck, the Mowag Bucher Duro ll uses portal axels and the Watts link front and rear.. Works Excellent, very strong.
im usually not one for an exo-cage. mainly because its harder to obtain the same integrity as a regular cage. plus the welding the insides of that cage poses an extra obstacle. but this looks amazing. the angles and bends and detail. just awesome man!
Exo cages never really look good... unfortunately in my world roll-overs are almost a "every trip" phenomenom so if you have an interior cage your trucks getting ruined the first day on the rocks. This one wasnt too bad to weld out because i pulled it off completely and had it on a rotisserie, i did have to add in temporary support tubes to cut down on warpage though. I appreciate the kind words!
Great vid. I'd like to try that watts link setup on a one ton swapped Jeep.
Awesome weave weld at the end of that link. Very clean
First thing i thought of was superfastmatts video on suspension, when i saw the cad of a horizontal watts link lol
Been contemplating a watts link on a tacoma build for a while.
Nice work dude!
To be totally honest if you can fit a normal triangulated 4 link thatll be 20% of the work
@@WheelEveryWeekend I'd rather avoid a fuel cell for now, so I'm original idea was 3 link with a panhard but I'm really liking the watts instead.
Been watching on IG, this just popped up! Sub'ed!
This is so darn cool. Glad to see a new video!
Im trying to actually do it this time, until my ADHD takes over
Excellent explanations. Thanks.
Here I was harrassing you forever on the grams to make more youtube videos and you never did so I stopped. Then out of nowhere you drop this 🔥🔥Keep them coming! #stayreckless
Im gonna give her a real try to actually do videos
@@WheelEveryWeekend
this is the trick to youtube!
save up as much content as possible, release videos while also releasing shorts of the final results to boost viewership. this way content comes out regularly and it self advertises the more technical and harder to digest content. people want to see the destination before even considering the possibility of taking the journey.
i want to see this channel get huge, that was an awesome video!
Re: scaling from a photo. If you are using a phone camera, the most zoomed in option will have the least distortion. You have to get further back from the subject, but it’s worth the accuracy. Cool video!
I’m cracking up as you explain all the design anomalies. I’ve been there so many times. Lots of mental notes.
Awsome work!
I've been contemplating a watts for my 48 Willys CJ2L daily driver/overland build. I'm also looking for a creative way to ditch leaf springs without necessarily defaulting to coil-overs. I need a software package that I can mock up designs and look at how they'll move.
One of the ideas that's wormed it's way into my head is the system used on the Citroen 2CV. The biggest question there is "what happens when you pair it with solid axles?"
Why can't I have a cool neighbor like this. Ive got a brand new knee mill I've never even used. Could have a neighborhood making cool stuff.
Matt’s killin me. Garrett
Wow that is so impressive. I have a Watts link on my Ranger Raptor and it seems to work pretty well. It is amazing that the technology is that old.
The ranger raptor watts link is in the correct orientation so it should last the life of the vehicle. I've been highly anticipating the ranger raptor finally coming to the states! I want to race it in the stock class at king of the hammers.
You will love it. Not sure how hardcore the KOH's is in the stock class but probably better at high speed off road stuff rather than hard core rock climbing. @@WheelEveryWeekend
Loved following the build on Instagram. You guys are top notch🤙
Appreciate it man, truck looks great im glad i could play a small part in tuning the shocks for it.
i live in the uk and im trying to build a pre runner type vehicle out of a mitsubishi l200 im trying to part together bits for suspension but no one has built one here and suspension is my next project ive just finished the engine ,gave you a sub
You really hit something on the algo with this one lol
If theres one thing ive learned, its that people like me doing dumb stuff
Awesome to see a video on this rig finally killer work !! 👍
Fascinating. Thank you 😊
Dudes way to smart!!!
Brilliant mate 👊🏼
interesting thing of note is there is a RC F450 that uses a watts link, pretty cool model just because of it
this is extremely interesting and quite brilliant
It’s cool to see the reasoning and need behind doing something different. It’s upsetting that people believe the only thing they can ever work is a double triangulated 4 link. There’s other options in the suspension world lol
Honestly parallel lowers and triangulated uppers is my favorite setup overall... i cant quite pin down the ride quality differences between parallel lowers and triangulated lowers but in the desert it feels much more planted and stable for some reason, which is sort of counter intuitive from how i understand the systems to operate.
“Same motor as a 350z which is why it sounds literally awful” ❤❤❤ thank you for the truth, Nissan makes exactly one good non-motorsport engine and they only put it in the GT-R.
Superfastmatt in shambles after this one dropped
Honestly i don't watch his videos so im not sure why folks are tagging him in a 250 year old concept i've been working on for 3 years now lol
We run an 80's Saab 900 rally car and it has a phanhard mounted on top of the solid rear axle. Had problems with bending the shocks, wheel jamming up etc, so we made an adjustable panhard and it mostly worked. Then we bent the axle at the hub so super camber. Ended up replacing the tube and connects the hubs together with a much stronger one, So we have thought a ton about what is wrong with the back end.
The problem with our and your panhard is where it mounts. We are planning to mount the panhard behind or ahead of the axle, make it as long as practical, horizontal at 1/2 travel and that should fix it. Negligible side to side travel so no issue with the wheels hitting the body, no bending shocks and less stress on the whole assembly.
Just found your channel, so +1
Nice info.
You may want to look into a de dion set up. It's another option for your builds.
Nice work. FYI overlaying CAD over photos isn’t anything new, was doing it 30yrs ago or more in civil engineering projects. It’s been a while, but if you know 5 points dimensionally you can warp the photo pretty accurately for your needs. Pretty sure handheld 3D scanners available today, probably worth the investment depending on the volume of work you do.
Awesome build! I just subscribed!
I deleted my watts from the Discovery. Even with the "cranked" versions they still bind.
I went with a panhard instead and it freed up a lot more travel. Obviously yours are a bit different than what came on the Rover.
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Here i thought i knew my cars since i work on mine by myself....then incomes this video on my recommended and i am like....Yeah Daaamnnn that a suspension all right. Subbed.
ah an arizona plate! I am also in Arizona, build offroad subarus though. But so cool :D
Amazing craftsmanship, very inspiring well, done mate. Subscribed!
What cad program do you use, SW?
fusion 360
Oh I've heard of it and had one planned but the design to be robust enough for an 8k van.....
On top of that is the travel issue. There is no space to mount coilovers on a van that allows any travel.
Watts linkages have been the default rear suspension of the V8 Supercars in Australia for many years. They have a reputation for being fragile, because only one bolt is taking all the load. But when the "load" is smacking a wall at 250km/h, it's somewhat relative.
Really cool. Took me a minute to figure out how it all cycles.
Wow brother you have some serious metal working skills! Thats a masterpiece, too bad it’s a Nissan!
The suspension is killing me. (😂)
New to your channel, Al Go-Rhythm sent me. I recently bought a 1990 300ZX, and I've been daydreaming about a mild safari build. I know they did them for some of the older Z cars, but I can't find an example of a Z32. Seems like they were built more for tracks.
Think it's reasonably doable? Sadly, the car is in pretty great condition, so I'm not 100% sure it wants to be carnaged... or does it??
Not many people would agree that too much articulation is bad. I completely agree with you!!
I've been in a suzuki samurai with 14" of travel and been scared in spots where ours with 10" of travel is fine, sometimes wheel lift is the better option
@@WheelEveryWeekend lifting wheels for the thrills!
I don’t image that was a small bill
For the customer lmao 😂😂 crazy build fellas
Nice work
definitely much smaller than it should have been haha
Great video! I’ve been thinking about the cad overlay in Fusion with a photo. You mentioned something about an optical illusion but it was still within a 1/4” I wonder if there is a correct focal length lens equivalent vs distance to subject that negate that effect. Just for instance on a crop sensor camera an 80mm (50mm on full frame) lens is ideal for portraits to proportionate represent facial features. Just a thought to consider if it mattered for a highly accurate situation. I’d say a 1/4” is still pretty accurate for frame plates🙌🏼
There is a special lens for the camera that takes photos completely flat that is used in some production environments. Part of the issue with the frame plates is that the frame is not straight so you're taking a 3d shape and projecting it onto a 2d landscape. For small brackets i take a photo of it on a photo grid and theres a few programs that will "flatten" the photo.
Best thing ive found is draw up the frame plate, cut a test piece out of 16 gauge, go back and adjust what needs adjusted, and send it lol
Dude nice video thanks you for share
Really really cool, nice narration as well.
Glad you liked it!
Great content. Thank you.
Where are you out of? I noticed the Arizona plates. I'm down by the border, south of Tucson. Some pretty cool trails down here.
I have a similar application, just wondering how squirrely it gets with the front diff moving in an arc and the rear diff straight up and down in high speed whoops. I can fit a triangulated rear and I am considering a watts in the front, the steering to make that work is complicated but solvable. But if I can manage a panhard in the front I'd be much happier with the simpler steering.
That exoskeleton looks great... it's so close to the body that it's not protecting anything if it goes in the doors or roof but...hey...we can see it's just a automotive tribal tatoo for mall crawling.
Watts link is not unheard of in Street cars. Def never seen it on offroad stuff. But very popular upgrade in solid axle cars.
the only prob w trailer bearing is the reversing direction, bearing are made to spin not switch direction, usually a bronze bushing is used.
That was my thought as well, I'll be interested to check the wear on the bearings in 20k miles or so
This is soooo cool 💪🏻🤘🏻
Dodge put the Watts linkage rear end in the 04 Durango and Aspen, i sold them new back then and they bragged on it back then 😁
hell yesto suspension!! hell no to inflection..Had to watch with the voulume down and subtitles on.
I think these gasoline Nissan V6 engines sound cool. Wish we had some in the Europe, all we got with D40 Nissans were gutless diesels
There's tons of aftermarket parts for these navaras available in Australia
Been considering a watts for my jeep. Figure once I have my 1 ton axles gonna be forever in CAD and welding.
Cant argue with results!
THAT SHIT IS FUCKIN RAD MAN!! Nice work!
You can minimize the sideway movement of a Panhard rod quite much, but you can't eliminate it all.
Interestingly i did have one racer whose panhard angle i fixed in the rear to make it flat at 50/50 shock travel, and they said they actually didnt like it compared to having a ridiculous angle with lots of lateral movement because they could "feel it shift then stop" in the middle of travel. Still never been able to recreate that feeling 20 or so 3 links later
Awesome tech
If you get a high zoom lens and take the images you are designing off of from farther away you can minimize the distortion from parallax
Also your fab work looks super clean
I've tried that, i have an 85-200 that ive used on a tripod with a timer... the big problem with the frame is it isnt flat, it sweeps down and outwards so any 2d representation of it will be skewed a bit
I absolutely cant stand Nissans. This thing looks amazing! Hitting those bumps at that speed and the body stayed flat, wow. Great job
Honestly the first thing i did was try to convince him to sell it and buy a 2wd tacoma to do this to.... they're honestly decent trucks but there is just no support for them for stuff like this whereas on a tacoma i can get power steering pump brackets and frame braces and a bunch of stuff
@@WheelEveryWeekend I get it, but you also got a chance to make a one-of-a-kind build. Absolutely amazing job!
Super dope!
I'm a retired grease ball but certified mechanic. You might as well have been speaking in chineese because I was lost in the first minute.😊
Superfastmatt has already/at the same time designed this type of suspension, for his offroad dodge viper. Cool to see someone else pull it off.
I must have been his inspiration since my first version of this is from 2021
@@WheelEveryWeekend That would make sense. Thanks for answering!
What is the purpose for the gussets on the axle? Obv they make it stronger but is that needed there?