Congrats on the subs! Thanks for checking my timing chain last time I was in your shop Pierre. I didn’t even ask or even think of asking… good to have the peace of mind. Thanks
Great content, just started getting chain slap on my 420sl. On investigation found 8 degrees of stretch and a febi tensioner. Had the confidence and knowledge to check thanks to videos like this.
Timely reminder Pierre. While my 450SE runs very well, checking the chain will surely be high on my list of preventative maintenance in 2021. Merry Christmas!
swapping from a #14 head to a #17 head on my OM603 after it finally gave up the ghost after 340k miles, I checked chain stretch, and it was only 2 degrees, I was thoroughly impressed. But honestly not very surprised.
Mimicking rattling noise… on point 🤣 Man I just got my water pump changed in my 2016 gti. I mentioned changing the timing chain cause I’m about to hit 80k miles and the guy didn’t change the chain. He’s a mechanic idk how he didn’t notice that rattling noise lol. It’s a family friend tho so I didn’t want to make a big deal.
with my 85 500sec tribute i had done all this work, body kit, audio, wheels suspension etc and etc ....car ran great.....but in the three yrs i owned this car i didnt check the chain or guides took it in for an oil change and asked my mechanic to just have a peak....driver side guide had already broke and was wedged in there.....phew got so lucky....so we did the chain anguides etc....and decided to paint the valve covers for fun -- nautic blue
This is my number one concern right now, since the prior owner had commented that the car had troubles at idle right before the starter failed. Still trying to see if its starter in actuality since that monster relay near the wiper arm on the firewall was pulled loose of the mounting point. Don't even want to try and start the W126 till I've pulled the valve cover to check for slop in that chain and tensioner. I'll make an effort to find German parts since replacing it more often just means spending more cash in the long run anyways. Thank you.
Thanks Pierre, got a new timing chain and the plastic parts for the camshaft oiler tuber coming - my 5.6 117.968 has over 330K miles on it but I am not sure on how many times the timing chain and associated parts have been changed. When you say degrees, are you referring to degressivere of distributor? Could you please recommend which tools to get for this job? Many thanks for your videos! Peter
Hey Pierre. What about m115 4 cylinder gas timing chains ? Are there any warning signs for them ore are they robust enough that they don't need maintenance ? And can you make a video about adjusting and rebuilding stromberg constant depression carburettors specifically the 175 cdtu ?
From my experience working for MB in the mid to late 90ties we did see some replacement on the M103 and M104 but this was at around 250 to 300K km's. We had a few of those and they were mostly running LPG, which in the Netherlands was economical at higher yearly km's. I have owned a OM104 in a 1992 C124 which was unfortunately totaled by a friend to whom I borrowed it when he was in bind, it at the time had well over 350K km's and I had done a service not long before with a chain inspection and it was well within spec. Obviously proper maintenance and allowing proper warm up before loading the engine are fundamental, but this is true not just for the chain and tensioner.
Hi Pierre, Would please be able to comment on timing chain issues regarding W211 E200K 2007 ( A271 1.8 litre engine ) with 250,000 Kms on clock. Not making any strange noises but sometimes when driving into my garage the engine sort of flutters when at low revs as I approach and slow down. My drive-way has a steep hill then levels off - this is when I notice this sort fluttering of the engine like it momentarily looses power - but doesnt stall. Maybe if you can a video regarding the timing chain on this engine would be great . Love your videos which are so easy to understand. Cheerz Stuart from Australia.
Thank you Pierre for the advicing ! On a w203, m111.745 , kompressor, German factory assembly product, it is the one with double timing chain, with regular oil and oil filter changes every 5.000 kilometers, is it possible that it could last for 200.000? kilometers?
I know you are asking a master. I am not but hope you don't mind I chimp in. 2 Mercedeses I have. 1992 190e 2.6 @ 268,866 and it runs like the first day it rolled out of Stuttgart. Absolutely a pleasure on the freeway. 2003 CLK320 Cabriolet @ 308,963. A most wonderful, amazing driving sensation everytime I use it for work or pleasure. I cannot describe in words the magical experience I feel when I drive these excellent, exceptionally engineered vehicles. Oil. Use only the best which is Mobile. Filters, factory or factory OEMs. Like Pierre said, don't touch the timing chain issue unless for cause. My 2 Mercedes gems I know will last me a lifetime and unless something really extraordinary happens it is highly doubtful to have to deal with timing chains.
I have a 59 Ford thunderbird 352 engine replaced the whole distributor router cap wires spark plugs carburetor and lines fuel pump fuel filter just about everything I can think of and it's still mis firing any chance it could be the timing chain?
I changed my fuel pump my spark plugs and wires and fuel Pump assembly on my 2000 Honda Accord and it cranked at 1st but wasn’t Alternating right now it won’t crank at all
Hi Pierre, great video as always, how about the OM606? I have a 1995 E300 with 300k miles, no signs of chain trouble, and oil changes religiously every 3000 miles, but should I be planning on replacing it anytime soon? Thanks!
Mercedes timing chains are a good reason to use full synthetic oil. Years of Full synthetic oil practically eliminates chain stretch in diesel Mercedes.
You know how you said you shouldn’t be able to hear the rattle sound well my 2013 Mercedes c250 you can hear that thing from like 2 house down but I can’t seem to find the problem it started when I got the cam shaft sensor code but I replaced that and it didn’t fix the problem and the car takes a while to start some times
I use to have an early W201 4 cyl petrol it had an single chain it broke unexpectly i had also an W638 with the om601970 engine and the gear wheel what was on the feul pump broke and the the chain jumped but fortunaly an om 601 602 603 engines are not interferring engines so no valves were broken. What is the best make for timing chains besides mercedes ??
I guess you were lucky, as OM601to606 as well as practically any diesel as well as M102,3 and4 are interference engines. it may happen the hydraulic lifters helped to cushion but in general there is substantial damage.... I lucked out with one as well, a 25K km OM601 where the vacuum pump decided to give up and dropped shrapnel down the engine skipping the chain and destroying the guides.
@@Izrealeu in my humble opinon if you se the top of the cylinders the are cut outs for the valves. i have german book for to rebuild the engine an that book states that this engine is an non interference engine
@@peterjanvanbijnen226 Cylinder cut outs are not (necessarily) for non interference, they are (in most cases) for allowing longer valve opening/cam duration or overlap. I do not have my manuals here at the moment, but have been an MB tech for passenger cars in the Netherlands for quite some time. I stopped in 1998, but am pretty sure that all post 1980 MB engines up until 1998 when I stopped are interference engines. As it is not exactly clear which engine you are referring to specifically here as you mention 2 I will not say this is a definitive answer, perhaps you could make that more clear and I can check tomorrow when I am at my work shop but I am fairly confident all are interference engines.
@@Izrealeu it is an om601970 for an vito W638 from 1999 i had an chaiming chai what sprung over deu to the gear weel broke what was on the injektion pump there was no damage to the valves
Spot on, Pierre! Finally assembled all the parts to take care of mine - will be a fun weekend project! Greatly appreciate all the sage advice on keeping the 450SL running well!
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Congrats on the subs! Thanks for checking my timing chain last time I was in your shop Pierre. I didn’t even ask or even think of asking… good to have the peace of mind. Thanks
Great content, just started getting chain slap on my 420sl. On investigation found 8 degrees of stretch and a febi tensioner. Had the confidence and knowledge to check thanks to videos like this.
This is great information for working on my 1981 W123 240d. I check my timing chain every year when I adjust the valve lash.
Thanks Pierre - appreciate the insight - 1983 380SL owner
Timely reminder Pierre. While my 450SE runs very well, checking the chain will surely be high on my list of preventative maintenance in 2021. Merry Christmas!
swapping from a #14 head to a #17 head on my OM603 after it finally gave up the ghost after 340k miles, I checked chain stretch, and it was only 2 degrees, I was thoroughly impressed. But honestly not very surprised.
Great content as usual.
Mimicking rattling noise… on point 🤣
Man I just got my water pump changed in my 2016 gti. I mentioned changing the timing chain cause I’m about to hit 80k miles and the guy didn’t change the chain. He’s a mechanic idk how he didn’t notice that rattling noise lol. It’s a family friend tho so I didn’t want to make a big deal.
any similar concerns for M110?
Another great video.
with my 85 500sec tribute i had done all this work, body kit, audio, wheels suspension etc and etc ....car ran great.....but in the three yrs i owned this car i didnt check the chain or guides
took it in for an oil change and asked my mechanic to just have a peak....driver side guide had already broke and was wedged in there.....phew got so lucky....so we did the chain anguides etc....and decided to paint the valve covers for fun -- nautic blue
This is my number one concern right now, since the prior owner had commented that the car had troubles at idle right before the starter failed. Still trying to see if its starter in actuality since that monster relay near the wiper arm on the firewall was pulled loose of the mounting point. Don't even want to try and start the W126 till I've pulled the valve cover to check for slop in that chain and tensioner. I'll make an effort to find German parts since replacing it more often just means spending more cash in the long run anyways. Thank you.
Thanks excelente 👏🏾
Thanks so much information you have
Thanks Pierre, got a new timing chain and the plastic parts for the camshaft oiler tuber coming - my 5.6 117.968 has over 330K miles on it but I am not sure on how many times the timing chain and associated parts have been changed.
When you say degrees, are you referring to degressivere of distributor? Could you please recommend which tools to get for this job? Many thanks for your videos! Peter
Love this content. Own a 1992 W124 2.5. Curious to know your thoughts in the OM602 engine, might be worth a video.
He has done a video on w124 2.5 td models. Search his videos.
You now about the timing change in the 200 Kompressor engine 2005?
Great video as always . Which timing chain is the best for replacement . Can you please recommend which manufactures to use . Thanks 🙏
Oem from the dealership.
i found stretch on m103 causes a somewhat of a missfire
Thank you Pierre for advise . I think you help me to find my problem with my 117.964 🙏🏻👍🏻
Happy to help!
Hey Pierre. What about m115 4 cylinder gas timing chains ? Are there any warning signs for them ore are they robust enough that they don't need maintenance ? And can you make a video about adjusting and rebuilding stromberg constant depression carburettors specifically the 175 cdtu ?
Are there any engines that don't seem to suffer this problem as much? M103? 104 perhaps?
From my experience working for MB in the mid to late 90ties we did see some replacement on the M103 and M104 but this was at around 250 to 300K km's. We had a few of those and they were mostly running LPG, which in the Netherlands was economical at higher yearly km's. I have owned a OM104 in a 1992 C124 which was unfortunately totaled by a friend to whom I borrowed it when he was in bind, it at the time had well over 350K km's and I had done a service not long before with a chain inspection and it was well within spec. Obviously proper maintenance and allowing proper warm up before loading the engine are fundamental, but this is true not just for the chain and tensioner.
What about the 2.3 and the 2.8 in the w123
Beautiful!
Hi Pierre, Would please be able to comment on timing chain issues regarding W211 E200K 2007 ( A271 1.8 litre engine ) with 250,000 Kms on clock. Not making any strange noises but sometimes when driving into my garage the engine sort of flutters when at low revs as I approach and slow down. My drive-way has a steep hill then levels off - this is when I notice this sort fluttering of the engine like it momentarily looses power - but doesnt stall. Maybe if you can a video regarding the timing chain on this engine would be great . Love your videos which are so easy to understand. Cheerz Stuart from Australia.
Thank you Pierre for the advicing ! On a w203, m111.745 , kompressor, German factory assembly product, it is the one with double timing chain, with regular oil and oil filter changes every 5.000 kilometers, is it possible that it could last for 200.000? kilometers?
I know you are asking a master. I am not but hope you don't mind I chimp in. 2 Mercedeses I have.
1992 190e 2.6 @ 268,866 and it runs like the first day it rolled out of Stuttgart. Absolutely a pleasure on the freeway.
2003 CLK320 Cabriolet @ 308,963. A most wonderful, amazing driving sensation everytime I use it for work or pleasure. I cannot describe in words the magical experience I feel when I drive these excellent, exceptionally engineered vehicles. Oil. Use only the best which is Mobile. Filters, factory or factory OEMs. Like Pierre said, don't touch the timing chain issue unless for cause. My 2 Mercedes gems I know will last me a lifetime and unless something really extraordinary happens it is highly doubtful to have to deal with timing chains.
can somone make a video on drip timing on the om617 and also timing chain replacement ?
I have a 59 Ford thunderbird 352 engine replaced the whole distributor router cap wires spark plugs carburetor and lines fuel pump fuel filter just about everything I can think of and it's still mis firing any chance it could be the timing chain?
I changed my fuel pump my spark plugs and wires and fuel
Pump assembly on my 2000 Honda Accord and it cranked at 1st but wasn’t Alternating right now it won’t crank at all
I have W140 V12 with 200K miles. Not sure if previous owner replaced the chain but he was the first and only owner. So I'm the second owner.
What if my V8 2006 cls 500 Mercedes Benz has a 147, 000 and crankshaft want turn 360?
Hi Pierre, great video as always, how about the OM606? I have a 1995 E300 with 300k miles, no signs of chain trouble, and oil changes religiously every 3000 miles, but should I be planning on replacing it anytime soon? Thanks!
I have the 1999 e300 turbo diesel 315,000km
Never replace timing chain
Om606 wonderful engine
Mercedes timing chains are a good reason to use full synthetic oil. Years of Full synthetic oil practically eliminates chain stretch in diesel Mercedes.
You know how you said you shouldn’t be able to hear the rattle sound well my 2013 Mercedes c250 you can hear that thing from like 2 house down but I can’t seem to find the problem it started when I got the cam shaft sensor code but I replaced that and it didn’t fix the problem and the car takes a while to start some times
Hey Sean. I have 2012 c250 same issue with the noise and code. Are you still driving it like that? I was wondering if I can keep driving it like this
I have 230,000 miles on mine, still going
Mercedes C1 80 compressor sport 1.8 supercharge when I start it it sounds like a diesel but it’s petrol any I dear please
I use to have an early W201 4 cyl petrol it had an single chain it broke unexpectly i had also an W638 with the om601970 engine and the gear wheel what was on the feul pump broke and the the chain jumped but fortunaly an om 601 602 603 engines are not interferring engines so no valves were broken.
What is the best make for timing chains besides mercedes ??
I guess you were lucky, as OM601to606 as well as practically any diesel as well as M102,3 and4 are interference engines. it may happen the hydraulic lifters helped to cushion but in general there is substantial damage.... I lucked out with one as well, a 25K km OM601 where the vacuum pump decided to give up and dropped shrapnel down the engine skipping the chain and destroying the guides.
@@Izrealeu in my humble opinon if you se the top of the cylinders the are cut outs for the valves. i have german book for to rebuild the engine an that book states that this engine is an non interference engine
@@peterjanvanbijnen226 Cylinder cut outs are not (necessarily) for non interference, they are (in most cases) for allowing longer valve opening/cam duration or overlap. I do not have my manuals here at the moment, but have been an MB tech for passenger cars in the Netherlands for quite some time. I stopped in 1998, but am pretty sure that all post 1980 MB engines up until 1998 when I stopped are interference engines. As it is not exactly clear which engine you are referring to specifically here as you mention 2 I will not say this is a definitive answer, perhaps you could make that more clear and I can check tomorrow when I am at my work shop but I am fairly confident all are interference engines.
@@Izrealeu it is an om601970 for an vito W638 from 1999 i had an chaiming chai what sprung over deu to the gear weel broke what was on the injektion pump there was no damage to the valves
@@peterjanvanbijnen226 All diesels (at least car/truck) are interference engines, no exceptions.
Which is the 117.980? Isn't that the 116.980?
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Spot on, Pierre! Finally assembled all the parts to take care of mine - will be a fun weekend project! Greatly appreciate all the sage advice on keeping the 450SL running well!
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