Top 10 Things Masters of the Air Left Out

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  • @WatchMojo
    @WatchMojo  5 месяцев назад +14

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    • @StanHalen1936
      @StanHalen1936 5 месяцев назад +1

      Cue the "love your content" piece of garbage.

    • @StanHalen1936
      @StanHalen1936 5 месяцев назад +3

      ​@King.binge99 you're*
      Learn how to spell.

    • @Reaperguy67
      @Reaperguy67 5 месяцев назад +3

      ​@King.binge99 you need to stop

    • @Reaperguy67
      @Reaperguy67 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@King.binge99 again never was backing him up. Also you are the liar because you lie about others. Get a life dude.

    • @Cinezillaaa
      @Cinezillaaa 5 месяцев назад +1

      Some of these comments in this thread shouldn't belong here

  • @killerbees177
    @killerbees177 5 месяцев назад +156

    You can't compare The Pacific and MOA to Band of Brothers. Each show has it's unique story and flow. I enjoyed watching MOA and hope to see more miniseries

    • @TheSocratesian
      @TheSocratesian 5 месяцев назад +9

      MOA can't be compared to Band of Brothers or the Pacific because those shows were far superior and the creators cared about depicting actual events and not jamming in fiction. AppleTV should be ashamed of themselves.

    • @killerbees177
      @killerbees177 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@TheSocratesian yeah.... ok

    • @matth9w
      @matth9w 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@TheSocratesianbro has been bitching all over this comment section, funny af

    • @TheSocratesian
      @TheSocratesian 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@matth9wLOL! You mad bro? It's funny af to a low information dope. Good luck with that.

    • @christopherjohnferrer3771
      @christopherjohnferrer3771 5 месяцев назад

      It's because they have the same Executive Producer of the show, means same production working on this series. So comparison on these TV shows is relevant.

  • @JasonMcCord-qk3yb
    @JasonMcCord-qk3yb 5 месяцев назад +64

    Actually you showed one of my favorite clips from the show: When the POW camp commander formally comes before the Colonel to surrender, he offers his hand for a handshake. The colonel does not even flinch at this, nor does he even look at the commanders hand. The Commander, realizing what is happening, immediately salutes the Colonel, who immediately returns his salute. The moral, and meaning? You shake the hand of a person you RESPECT. You salute the RANK, not the man. There’s a very powerful, yet subtle message there, that I bet was missed by many viewers. Loved it!

    • @Bogie0315
      @Bogie0315 5 месяцев назад

      I caught it the same as Winters making Sobel salute and stating "You salute the rank not the Man" in the Band of Brothers.

    • @golfhound
      @golfhound 5 месяцев назад +3

      I caught it. By 1945, all of US Army senior officers were aware of the treatment of POW's by the Germans. It was only in January 1945 during the Battle of the Bulge that it was common knowledge that Germans were executing soldiers and Holocaust prisoners at an alarming rate to get rid of eye witnesses of German atrocities. So yes, it is understandable why the US Army Colonel did not shake hands, but saluted.

    • @JasonMcCord-qk3yb
      @JasonMcCord-qk3yb 5 месяцев назад

      @@golfhound I knew I couldn’t be the only one! WW2 History is a hobby of mine, in fact, of my entire family, only My father (7 years old in ‘45) and my grandfather and grandmother survived the war. In all, 43 members of my family (father’s side, including 12 who were 10 years old or younger) were killed during WW2. My father died in Vietnam. War has not been kind to our family.

    • @osric1730
      @osric1730 5 месяцев назад

      Not entirely sure how realistic it was though. Its possible of course but there was generally a good deal of mutual respect between the Luftwaffe and the Western Allies. It was the Luftwaffe who controlled the POW camps occupied by airmen and their treatment of prisoners was by and large exemplary, they went to great lengths to protect them from the SS-Sicherheitsdienst and this was well known to the allies. Now it may be that at the end of the war some senior US officer may have seen to much barbarism and tarred all Germans with the same brush and might have snubbed a Luftwaffe commandant in the manner portrayed, but it doesn't cast him in a good light given the reality of the behavior of the Luftwaffe with regard to POWs, who contrary to the portrayal in the film took no action against Allied servicemen who were unable to stay on the forced march between camps.
      Unsurprisingly the 240 Luftwaffe guards did not suicidally fire on the 74,000 prisoners or engage in firefights with the approaching 14th Armored Division. What actually happened was a couple jeeps burst through the gates meeting no resistance whatsoever where the guards were already assembled awaiting their fate and they disarmed them with no resistance. Later Brigadier General Karlstad formally accepted the unconditional surrender of the camp from Colonel Otto Burger. Whether a hand shake was either offered or refused is anyone's guess, but given the string of historical inaccuracies in the scene somehow I doubt it. The flag part, however is true, although nobody knows who raised it. So no, its not one of my favorite clips in the series, far from it, its largely cobblers. There is a powerful message here, don't mistake fiction for history.

  • @reaverman
    @reaverman 5 месяцев назад +49

    1:30 Whoever is claiming that Elizabeth the II was the Crosby's love interest, has been on the benzine! Elizabeth was born in '26, and by the end of WWII, would have been about 19. And that's before we take into account, she would have had a very public live. Anyone around Britain would have twigged her, from all the news reels in the cinemas!

    • @scottp.5055
      @scottp.5055 5 месяцев назад +6

      I think she did drive and work on trucks during the war. But you're right no way she could've been a spy like Sandra was portrayed.

    • @reaverman
      @reaverman 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@scottp.5055 Oh agreed, she did stuff, but like you said!

    • @TheSocratesian
      @TheSocratesian 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@reaverman The Crosby/Wingate arc was an enormous waste of time. Episode 8 sucked and combined with 7 and 9 it turned a great series into one that was just good.

    • @Vultor
      @Vultor 5 месяцев назад +5

      Elizabeth was a driver and mechanic during WWII

    • @reaverman
      @reaverman 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@Vultor exactly, not a spy

  • @Atpost334
    @Atpost334 5 месяцев назад +16

    Well, If you read Miller’s book “MotA” and Crosby’s “A Wing and a Prayer”, there are a ton of important elements left out. That being said, tough to cover 35 - 40 hours of material in 9 hours. All and all, a good series, but certainly could have used some of their budget and time much more wisely. Should have been 12 episodes without so many unnecessary side stories. One of my favorite scenes in the series was from Crosby’s book when he kicked open the door to get the parachutes and then mellow Crosby proceeds to get really pissed at the supply officer. Captures Crosby’s righteous indignation at that moment really well.

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us 5 месяцев назад +1

      Let's also not forget that while it's obvious they could've done much more, much of the filming was done during the latter half of the pandemic, which complicated filming schedules and ballooned production costs. Imagine what they could've done with the money spent, and no virus to deal with during filming

  • @Cucuy222
    @Cucuy222 5 месяцев назад +21

    For me this show is up there with its sister series. The series finale might be one of my fav episodes across the whole trilogy.

    • @GZA036
      @GZA036 5 месяцев назад

      You're deranged.

  • @golfhound
    @golfhound 5 месяцев назад +12

    My favorite scene from the series was when Buck, Bucky, and Rosen fly a mission to Belgium and drop food packages. All of the pilots are together/reunited and they are finally flying a peace mission.

  • @NicoakaRedCat
    @NicoakaRedCat 5 месяцев назад +11

    the Swiss camps are one of the most terrifying stuff in Miller's book...I am not even sure the public is ready for this.

    • @thedude1316
      @thedude1316 5 месяцев назад

      Is that the "prison sock" incident?

  • @rtyler1869
    @rtyler1869 5 месяцев назад +9

    did you actually watch the show or read the book? Buck did not fight the British officer- That was Kurt who died on the same flight as Babyface. Buck actually agreed that Daylighht Bombing was sucicide but needed to be done.

  • @jackmcgonegal8728
    @jackmcgonegal8728 4 месяца назад +3

    Studies conducted by the 8th Air Force itself actually revealed that the ball turret position was the safest on the B-17, suffering a casualty rate of 4%. Waist gunners had the highest overall casualty rate but the most dangerous positions in the aggregate were forward, which is not surprising, as the Luftwaffe focused its attention on head-on attacks to kill the pilots.

  • @ericcrichardson
    @ericcrichardson 5 месяцев назад +13

    Regarding the Norden Bomb Sight, while it was considered secret he Germans actually had spies in the US and in 1941 an agent was able to deliver the plans for it. In fact the German bomb sights were quite similar . In the US Sperry corp actually had a much better bomb sight but previous attempts were sub standard so they were not given a chance.

    • @geordiedog1749
      @geordiedog1749 Месяц назад

      I think they had it much earlier and the Nazis hadn’t much good to say about it.

  • @mypl510
    @mypl510 5 месяцев назад +9

    The should have covered a different fighter group, one that actually escorted them from England and possible follow an Ace pilot, like the top Ace in the ETO, Gabreski. His story is certainly worth telling, and he flew the P-47 Thunderbolt, something other than the same thing they keep showing, the P-51 Mustang. And yes, the three most expensive projects during the war where, The Boeing B-29 Bomber, The Manhattan Project and the Norden Bombsight. All of them had their issues, but the Bombsight was the worst!

  • @digitalbuzz
    @digitalbuzz 5 месяцев назад +16

    A huge historical miss in the series--no B-17G (chin turret) models were shown. The B-17G became more prevalent in combat from 1944 on. The B-17Fs in the show were mostly phased out in 1944 and almost never seen in all natural metal finish like in the last episode.

    • @kiwiruna9077
      @kiwiruna9077 5 месяцев назад +3

      Have a look at ww2 tv here on youtube, they have discussions with the some of the major people in the production including John Orloff, he said in the end it came down to money.

    • @ericsalsman1243
      @ericsalsman1243 5 месяцев назад

      You could use some help with simple timelines. Documented figures 100% disagree with you, sorry. Maybe pay more attention to the dates of the story.

  • @scottp.5055
    @scottp.5055 5 месяцев назад +36

    Actually, the ball turrent wasn't the most dangerous position on the B-17.

    • @justincoleman7856
      @justincoleman7856 5 месяцев назад +16

      You're actually right. According to a video from Premier History, it was actually the waist gunner position (basically the middle of the plane).

    • @ChienaAvtzon
      @ChienaAvtzon 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@justincoleman7856 - Yup, especially since the window at the waist were wide open.

    • @craigw.scribner6490
      @craigw.scribner6490 5 месяцев назад

      The tail gunner was right up there too; he couldn't wear his parachute and was physically cut off from the rest of the crew.

    • @ericsalsman1243
      @ericsalsman1243 5 месяцев назад

      Too bad the data on loss of control and crash events 100% disagrees with you

    • @Thenogomogo-zo3un
      @Thenogomogo-zo3un 5 месяцев назад +1

      The most dangerous place on a B-17 was on a B-24
      Or a B-26

  • @Wayne-t-347
    @Wayne-t-347 5 месяцев назад +16

    In my universe The Pacific had the interviews from the Marines 🤔😅

    • @justin36004
      @justin36004 5 месяцев назад +1

      The interviews are from the special features of the DVD/Blue Ray version of the Pacific.

    • @filupe01
      @filupe01 5 месяцев назад

      There were interviews from the Marines (or their relatives) on RUclips either during or just before The Pacific started (in Australia anyway). It was a great way of knowing the characters before you started the show and I'm surprised that formula wasn't followed for MotA.

  • @abasudoh7459
    @abasudoh7459 5 месяцев назад +19

    The Tuskegee Airmen deserve their own show/movie not just being shoehorned in the last few episodes

    • @Dopecheetah
      @Dopecheetah 5 месяцев назад

      Word yo👍🏾

    • @renesten2980
      @renesten2980 5 месяцев назад +3

      They did make a movie about the Tuskegee airman.

    • @renesten2980
      @renesten2980 5 месяцев назад +1

      The Red Tails

    • @writingref
      @writingref 5 месяцев назад +1

      The point was to show that though they were a segregated unit, they ended up integrated if they became a POW. Yes they could have done this in their own show - and maybe they will. But Its an aspect of their history not even their movies showed me. I had never thought about them as POWs before ... so it was helpful to see. The show also needed something about what it was like to be a fighter pilot. So I just wish they had shown them escorting bombers a bit more and saving some of them

    • @cassidy109
      @cassidy109 5 месяцев назад +1

      The Tuskegee Airmen have already had two movies made about them, as well as innumerable documentaries. There's other outfits that deserve recognition and to have their story told. If you got a hard on to go the DEI route there's the Neise 442nd Regimental Combat Team and the predominately black 761st Tank Battalion.

  • @raymondsmith6870
    @raymondsmith6870 5 месяцев назад +6

    A good series with only one criticism being the anti British and anti RAF slant of the series. The reason they flew night missions is not to get even with the German bombing campaign of England but because they were being blown out of the sky with high losses when attacking in daylight. A situation that was repeated by the US Air Force who thought they were going to show the RAF how much better their planes were. The losses for the US airmen were so high that a 4 month stoppage in raids occurred to regroup and allow the entrance of the P-51 Mustang which saved the day. The most interesting part is that their bombing accuracy wasn't much better(20% on target) than the RAF at night though the series tries to show dead on hits many times. The other point is RAF planes could carry very large bombs up to 4000 lb, 8000 lbs and 12,000 lbs while the B-17 could only do 1000 or 2000 lb bombs which meant the US air force would not be able to knock out hardened targets protected by concrete blast walls but the RAF took them out with their larger ordnance. The RAF was no slouch and outdid the US Air Force in many occasions(Dambusters and V-2 facilities) and all without any fighter escorts. The unsung hero of the RAF was the Mosquito fighter bomber who could do various missions in pathfinding, harassing German night fighters and bombing raids. Now that should be a series.

    • @Davionious
      @Davionious 4 месяца назад +1

      Yes. The British had the benefit of the Butt Report that showed how shite precision bombing was. The Americans bought the idea that the Norden bombsight worked when it didn't. But biggest British failing was getting rid of Dowding from Fighter Command. That killed the long range Spitfire project which could have flown to Berlin and Back in 1942.

    • @terrym3837
      @terrym3837 2 месяца назад

      @@DavioniousAgreed sharing Dowding was a mistake they got the duplicitous Lee Mallory and all the equally hopeless Douglas

  • @O-DogKubrick
    @O-DogKubrick 5 месяцев назад +18

    Wait a minute! What about that husky dog named Meatball? He didn’t showed up in the series finale!

    • @NicoakaRedCat
      @NicoakaRedCat 5 месяцев назад

      do you see many stray rabbits round here?

    • @O-DogKubrick
      @O-DogKubrick 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@NicoakaRedCat What do rabbits have got to do with this tv show?

    • @NicoakaRedCat
      @NicoakaRedCat 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@O-DogKubrick if you watched the show more carefully you would know 😝 did you like the soup?

    • @O-DogKubrick
      @O-DogKubrick 5 месяцев назад

      @@NicoakaRedCat 🍜? I’d give that show 7.7 out of 10 stars. The only parts I don’t like, are how these krauts are totally sour.

    • @DisneyTurtle
      @DisneyTurtle 5 месяцев назад

      They also had a duck as there mascot

  • @GoBirds1995
    @GoBirds1995 5 месяцев назад +24

    Thank you to the men of the Army Air Corps for your service.

  • @SirsasthNigam.
    @SirsasthNigam. 5 месяцев назад +8

    On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 86% of 94 critics' reviews are positive. The website's consensus reads: "Soaring high with its immaculate production design and acutely well-observed characters, Masters of the Air can stand proud alongside its sibling series Band of Brothers and The Pacific."[4]

    • @CzechImp
      @CzechImp 5 месяцев назад +1

      That's why we don't look at Rotten Tomatoes!

  • @user-iv7pl2uo7q
    @user-iv7pl2uo7q 5 месяцев назад +5

    The Spielberg films of the second world war are a fabulous connection to what must be remembered; however all contain glaring inaccuracies.

  • @Simulator96
    @Simulator96 5 месяцев назад +5

    Garry Keoghan? Come on this episode was a trainwreck, how rushed was this?

  • @hawlikd
    @hawlikd 5 месяцев назад +4

    Princess Elizabeth was a (Red Cross?) truck driver during WW2, she was never a commissioned officer.

  • @ray101892
    @ray101892 5 месяцев назад +18

    They focused on the wrong lead character. Cleven and Egan were shot down before 25 missions and imprisoned just as Rosenthal was starting out. By the next episode I was suprised he already completed 25 missions and 52 by the end and they didn't show any of it. I guess filming a prison camp where nothing happens is cheaper.

    • @nataliajimenez1870
      @nataliajimenez1870 5 месяцев назад +3

      The highest casualty rate for the 100th and the 8th in general were before they were able to get fighters to escort them all the way, so they had to cover that initial period of 1943 and show how it severely affected morale.

    • @ChienaAvtzon
      @ChienaAvtzon 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@nataliajimenez1870 - That is still irrelevant, as the 100th was most famous for Rosenthal. He was their poster boy for the majority of the war. Even before he flew his first mission, the squadron leaders all fought over who would get him, because he was a prodigy.
      Also, the only reason the 100th sustained heavy casualties, is due to poor leadership and lack of training. Cleven, Egan, and Harding were unprofessional and cocky. None of them cared if the pilots could hold the box formation. It had nothing to do with a lack of fighter escort.

    • @Atpost334
      @Atpost334 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@ChienaAvtzon All bomber groups had extremely heavy losses in ‘43 and into ‘44, not just the 100th. Yes, it had a lot to do with lack of fighter escort.

    • @ChienaAvtzon
      @ChienaAvtzon 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@Atpost334 - In the 100th case, it was specifically the lack of disciplined flying. As the Luftwaffe would purposely target loose formations. That is exactly what happened at Munster. The after reports from Rosenthal and the other bomb groups prove it, as does Crosby’s memoir.

    • @Atpost334
      @Atpost334 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@ChienaAvtzon Agreed, formation and tight boxes were extremely important in combat. I’ve read / studied pretty much all material available on the 100th, so don’t need the background. Again, your specific statement I take exception with is “it had nothing to do with lack of fighter escort”. That statement is completely incorrect/ not accurate.

  • @pvtjohntowle4081
    @pvtjohntowle4081 5 месяцев назад +7

    When you said Subaltern A.M Westgate was possibly Princess Elizabeth, I knew this video was full of shit.

    • @Bogie0315
      @Bogie0315 5 месяцев назад +1

      I agree with you not sure what nit wit came up with that.

  • @nostrebornod
    @nostrebornod 5 месяцев назад +3

    One of the dumbest things I saw when watching this show was reading an article from an entertainment site the questioned the boldness of the creators "killing off Austin Butler's Buck Cleven, a major actor so early in the series". It was obvious that the author of the article had no grasp on reality, thinking that show must have been a work of fiction.

  • @rodolfohernandez3303
    @rodolfohernandez3303 5 месяцев назад +22

    Personally I liked Masters of the Air, it took very much flak because of CGI but come on, it's a series. Also comparing it to Band of Brothers it's not very fair, The Pacific which is a more darker series took also mixed reviews but in the end are series that portray historical moments of WWII. Every movie or series will always take some liberties within the storyline.

    • @AzraelGFG
      @AzraelGFG 5 месяцев назад +1

      "took much flak" i see what you did there

    • @m4_sherman
      @m4_sherman 5 месяцев назад +5

      Unfortunately both the Pacific and Masters of the Air are incessantly compared to the masterpiece that is Band of Brothers. I personally loved all 3

    • @TheSocratesian
      @TheSocratesian 5 месяцев назад +2

      It is taking a lot of 'flak" because of the horrible writing in the last 3 episodes. It was atrocious and full of fiction and unnecessary garbage. They took a great serious and turned it into one that was just good.

    • @CzechImp
      @CzechImp 5 месяцев назад +1

      ''comparing it to Band of Brothers it's not very fair''
      Well, that's what Apple TV did!
      They sold it to us as being from the same producers as BoB and Pacific, so they left themselves open to some well-deserved criticism.

    • @JADEK111
      @JADEK111 5 месяцев назад

      Because it's a series, does it mean it's fine to not criticize the so-called "effort"?
      Apple TV approved a budget of around 250 million dollars for the production. That is twice as much of what HBO approved for BoB, and still even bigger than The Pacific.
      While taking liberties is fine, it is also important to act accordingly with those liberties, which wasn't really the case in MotA, because 1) the production was halted several times due to COVID-19, and b) time constraints had the production rushing to finish the show in time, which is pretty much visible in some episodes, if not in all of them.
      Sure, that are good things in MotA, still not as good compared to other air combat media available out there.

  • @SeanM375
    @SeanM375 5 месяцев назад +13

    Spielburg has shown that he has a big problem with the British, he has shown that repeatedly in Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, and this show.

    • @Pseudonym-aka-alias
      @Pseudonym-aka-alias 5 месяцев назад

      Totally agree - it seems he's anti British.
      You'd think the "mighty eighth" won the air war on its own.

    • @gazza1196
      @gazza1196 5 месяцев назад +7

      Yes I’m afraid you’re right. He probably wanted the swap the Germans with the British to make them the evil empire. Awful series. The good ole u, s, of a had to be the heroes. As that cringe thing with the flag at the end…

    • @ericsalsman1243
      @ericsalsman1243 5 месяцев назад

      someone sounds angry that history isn't how they prefer it. Oh no

    • @SeanM375
      @SeanM375 5 месяцев назад

      @@ericsalsman1243 first up it is a tv, and spielburg does have a problem with how a represents the british. And as for your comment about, it is a TV SHOW, where they always take massive liberties with the truth - grow up.

    • @Thenogomogo-zo3un
      @Thenogomogo-zo3un 5 месяцев назад +1

      Couldnt believe the first scene when I saw it on Saving Private Ryan
      First shows US Flag flying, second French Tricolour flying, I'm now waiting for the Union Jack to come up.......Nothing nor any of the other nations flags who fought there.
      Youd see them all if you go to Normandy on the 6 June
      I think your right on this SeanM375
      They can keep they're Ryan's privates
      I'll have the Longest Day

  • @gtesorieri
    @gtesorieri 5 месяцев назад +8

    Well, the importance of the missions are tell on the series, maybe no so academic but Croz on a voice over said that first the targets where industrial Germany and later Col. Bennett tells Rosie that they are gonna be bait to destroy the Luffwaffen

    • @TheSocratesian
      @TheSocratesian 5 месяцев назад

      The strategy changed when General Doolittle took command of the 8th Air Force in January of 1944. The mission was to destroy the Luftwaffe so that the D-Day invasion could take place.

  • @CmdrBrannick
    @CmdrBrannick 5 месяцев назад +5

    I absolutely loved the series. Still can't top Band of Brothers, but that nearly impossible to do. I hope we get more, and I would love to see one from the British forces.

    • @terryswartz960
      @terryswartz960 4 месяца назад

      It's in the works but it will take longer. The Brits have to stop for tea everyday at 4 p.m. For reference see "A Bridge Too Far".

  • @Ar-kx4hp
    @Ar-kx4hp 5 месяцев назад +1

    Loved this series. Live in the area. When you get a moment turn your computer map to Colchester England, set to satellite view. Scroll slowly upwards. You are looking for compressed diamonds with a long line, and a short line at right angles. (The runways). Now look for the holding loops where the planes stood around the edge. Those are the USAAF bases. Get your eye in and see how many you can find in East Anglia. It is a lot. Also bear in mind that 2 of the bases kept going after the war and are still fighting that same fight right now as you read this. Mildenhall and Lakenheath. Different enemies but still ready for the same fight. We watched them fly out in F111's to Libya and fly back along the river valleys at Mach 1. Nearly broke the house windows. We watched them in desert camo fly out to Iraq with so many missiles under the wings we wondered how an earth they got airborne. Nice friendly people, they have my respect.

  • @F4FWildcat
    @F4FWildcat 5 месяцев назад

    Maybe my favorite part of the series, was the fact that inspired me to find out more about my late uncle. He was a copilot on a B-17G in the 388th BG and flew 36 missions from January 1945 to May 1945. These included two "Chow Hound" missions to the starving of Holland and a POW mission to Lenz, Austria at the end of the war.
    Regardless of the shortcomings of the series. Masters did shed some light on the sacrifices made by allied air forces. It also took a peek into the world of destruction in which the civilians of both sides toiled.
    God rest my uncle who survived the war and God rest those of his fellow flyers and crew that did not live to see the end of that war.

  • @kenstill-vx4vi
    @kenstill-vx4vi 11 дней назад

    I thoroughly enjoyed this series, but one thing that wasn't shown, because it wasn't part of the theme, was the 100th Bomb Group also was part of the 2nd raid on Shweinfurt, Black Thursday, but while the 8th Air Force lost 60 planes shot down, the 100th did not lose a single plane.

  • @brianboehme1172
    @brianboehme1172 5 месяцев назад +20

    The pacific did have interviews with the soldiers

  • @rickw.1920
    @rickw.1920 5 месяцев назад +3

    The Tuskegee airmen should have their own series.

  • @lwjg46daze
    @lwjg46daze 5 месяцев назад +1

    My favorite scene is in the last episode where one guy quotes Nietzsche: "while fighting a monster take care not becoming a monster yourself." That Was intense. A great follow up would have been the bombing of Dresden to really underline this quote. That is a lost opportunity but since it is an US Show probably too much to ask any reflection 😂

  • @oliverkeyes432
    @oliverkeyes432 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great show, but they should have made a bigger point on how important having fighters escorting the bombers was to gaining air superiority and reducing the losses of bomber crews.

  • @marcusarilus
    @marcusarilus 13 дней назад

    You missed showing the Waist Gunners had Cable Clamps to reconnect shot up control cables that ran by there position . and of course the Big error had them flying the B-17f for the whole war. not upgrading there planes to the G model with the forward Chin turret . When my Fathers unit arrived in England Lord HAW HAW announced on his radio broadcast that night " Close the Hanger doors your shining light on the Runway"

  • @mattwestfall9216
    @mattwestfall9216 5 месяцев назад +1

    Crosby's book wing on a prayer is excellent and fills in the gaps well

  • @David-xy2ly
    @David-xy2ly 5 месяцев назад +3

    Ten things they left out, for a start a good storylines and a mixed up load of rubbish with characters. Absolutely the worse war series I’ve ever seen.

    • @CzechImp
      @CzechImp 5 месяцев назад +1

      Some truly bad acting at times.
      I knew from that corny opening scene in episode 1 in some bar in America that we were not going to see BAFTA and Golden Globe winners...

  • @leewood331
    @leewood331 2 месяца назад

    The Germans had stolen the Norden before the war. The B-29 program cost $3 billion dollars, versus $2 billion for the Manhattan Project and Norden at third. And the reason the Tuskegee Airmen were brought in was Tom Hanks heavy hand.(and it did not take 500 years for American to equal the Magna Carta as we were not even close to 500 years old.)

  • @BikerGeek
    @BikerGeek 5 месяцев назад +5

    I waited for years for this series. I've read the book several times. This was a disappointment. It was like they were hurrying to put something out and skipped a lot of stuff. No depth and I found it difficult to identify with the characters.

  • @AHBVLOGS22
    @AHBVLOGS22 5 месяцев назад +2

    The Tuskegee airmen should really get their own show

    • @DDiamond8374
      @DDiamond8374 5 месяцев назад +1

      Well, they have their own movie.

    • @JADEK111
      @JADEK111 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@DDiamond8374Even two, or rather two and half (The Tuskegee Airmen, Hart's War, and Red Tails).

    • @Thenogomogo-zo3un
      @Thenogomogo-zo3un 5 месяцев назад

      By the looks of things, they'd have us believe they had their own Air Force
      For a single fighter group to get so much publicity without producing a single ace?, c'mon man

  • @DrWandering
    @DrWandering 5 месяцев назад +1

    The last comment about how the show showed just a meat grinder of missions and not the nuance of the overall strategy is not a good point. While we can all agree strategy and the people coming up with it to guide those doing the fighting for the outcome your side wants is important. It does not make since when telling a story about those actually enduring those plans and meeting the enemy. So the meat grinder of missions is the best way to show what it was like for those there. As someone who has experienced it no plan survives first contact.

  • @Grandizer8989
    @Grandizer8989 5 месяцев назад +1

    I was hoping that they would show a vertical stabilizer being smashed by a bomb after the B17 drifted off course and under another B17. Would’ve also appreciated the B24s getting some recognition

    • @Thenogomogo-zo3un
      @Thenogomogo-zo3un 5 месяцев назад

      Nah, just not pretty enough.
      Doesnt matter that it carried more bombs, was faster, more of them etc. and film Star Jimmy Stewart flew one notching up missions, no one cares about the unloved 'Liberator.'

  • @Kevin-Brent
    @Kevin-Brent 5 месяцев назад +2

    11. The Luftwaffe's Me 262. Not even mentioned. Yet, they did to their credit display the first use of air-to-air rockets.

    • @ericsalsman1243
      @ericsalsman1243 5 месяцев назад

      What hello kitty bullshit version of history are you thinking of? What else do you want the space shuttle to make an appearance???

    • @Kevin-Brent
      @Kevin-Brent 5 месяцев назад

      @@ericsalsman1243Would you like a new box of Tampons, Karen?

  • @bazm425
    @bazm425 5 месяцев назад +1

    So the bombsight was second only to the atomic bomb in secrecy. I think Bletchley Park would have something to say about that.

  • @samuelgm98
    @samuelgm98 5 месяцев назад +1

    I’m quite surprised that they didn’t have the piggy back story involved with the show. Both of those forts were part of the 100th

  • @pepperjack6421
    @pepperjack6421 5 месяцев назад +1

    I mean that’s what you get when you take over 10 years to complete the show. Well done, but could have been planned better

  • @RooJJu
    @RooJJu 5 месяцев назад +1

    Actually they were veteran's interview at the beginning of each episode in "The Pacific". For some reason they were removed on later releases (I believe in one of the DvD releases you have the option to include them again).

  • @sarnieken
    @sarnieken 5 месяцев назад +2

    Buck wasn't in the fisticuffs by the way. it was one of the other pilots.

    • @brett3152
      @brett3152 4 месяца назад

      Curtis Biddick was shown actually punching the Brit in this episode.

  • @pvtjohntowle4081
    @pvtjohntowle4081 5 месяцев назад +2

    OMG this video is so stupid , describing the ball turret as a "machine guns set up inside a Crystal ball" 04:02 WTF ? it's not a rock, it's not crystal, it's armoured plexiglass.

  • @bartonwishart9994
    @bartonwishart9994 5 месяцев назад

    On 10 September 1944, Rosenthal's B-17G Terrible Termite (s/n 42-97770), flying on a mission to bomb Nuremberg, was hit by flak and crash-landed around Reims in German-occupied France.Along with all the officers on his plane he was seriously injured. Suffering from a broken arm and nose, he was pulled from the cockpit unconscious by Free French, flown back to England, and woke up at a hospital in Oxford.Rosenthal would receive his second Silver Star after this mission. He returned to duty as soon as he had healed. Rosenthal was assigned to a desk job at wing headquarters, but he managed to return to the 100th Bomb Group and take command of his old squadron, the 418th.

  • @Evil.Totoro
    @Evil.Totoro 5 месяцев назад

    Wish the show was a few more episodes to delve deeper into more missions, and character development, but I did enjoy it immensely. I hope they do a series on the battle of the Atlantic next. Greyhound was great, but I want more in-depth stuff from more perspectives or crossings.

  • @lisknapp
    @lisknapp 5 месяцев назад +1

    I loved it, it was a mini series there were limited to add certain events but other than that I truly enjoyed it

  • @oliveradams1270
    @oliveradams1270 29 дней назад

    When the british said that we would have more planes if we did night time raids. What that captain didnt say, was we would have more blood of innocent people, including children.

  • @davidjackson8183
    @davidjackson8183 5 месяцев назад +1

    BoB is still my personal favourite,, and TP was very close. MoA came very close but unfortunately spent a lot of time in POW camps which took away the pacing of the storyline. Still a very good story and well represented though

  • @Flyingfortress_b-17
    @Flyingfortress_b-17 Месяц назад

    Where can u watch it if u dont have Apple TV?

  • @adrianmcgrath1984
    @adrianmcgrath1984 5 месяцев назад +2

    Masters was very weak. - and there were no Americans even in Stalag Luft 3 at the time of the Great Escape, and the ball turret gunner (according to carefully kept stats) was the second safest position on a B-17. It was lazy, self aggrandizing, inaccurate nonsense.

  • @jk28416
    @jk28416 5 месяцев назад

    I haven't seen this, but I assume they've completely written out the fact that the British where mostly involved in all events and the Americans in reality played a minor role

  • @RudolfSBG
    @RudolfSBG 5 месяцев назад +1

    I enjoyed masters of the air a lot, but I was really disappointed that the me262 the first operational jet fighter didn’t appeared even for 1 second. Even though it was bomber focused story which was really interesting and something new. It feels like a missed opportunity. Nonetheless I had fun, does someone have similar movie or shows suggestions? Thx in advance and have nice day :)

  • @chriswhite-zv6ou
    @chriswhite-zv6ou 5 месяцев назад +1

    I'm afraid, like most things these days, agenda's creep into everything. Although I have the utmost respect for the real characters that this show was based on, the narrative has been tampered with. Very disrespectful to the guys that gave up their lives.
    Good old USA, have to portray themselves in a certain way on film because in reality their foreign policy is disastrous.
    American viewers will love the show, the rest of the world will just see it as an amazing story about amazing men that has been tampered with by Hollywood types who just can't resist putting their political views into everything they do. Yawn. Not a patch on BOB that had none of the above. Sign of the times I'm afraid.

  • @davideff6833
    @davideff6833 5 месяцев назад +3

    WatchMojo, wow that was sh!t. Yet again, another singlular view of the RAF pilots and crew. My Uncle Harold was a "Commoner" who flew the Typhoon, but populists like you fail again to see the real history. My father, who was a dispatch rider and later on AAA (and had to run with misfired ammunition and throw it into trenches before timers went off) had a great deal of respect for "the Yanks". It's tripe like this that fails the memories of your ancestors. Avro Lancaster "S for Sugar" is in the Australian War museum complete with it's 135 mission markings. 617 Squadron ring any bells for you, or the Amien prison break where the DH Mosquitos flew the treetop height day raid.
    Band of Brothers is peerless TV (apart from the finger pointing at the Brits) with Pacific following in it's footsteps honourably.
    This is a CG extravaganza with a very narrow view which has been embarrassingly released internationally.

    • @johnshepherd9676
      @johnshepherd9676 5 месяцев назад

      The show was about the 8th Air Force for American audiences. Conplaining that the show did not include the RAF makes about as much sense as Das Boot not giving the Royal Navy enough screen time. It was not made for you on the other side of the pond.

  • @Forogar
    @Forogar 5 месяцев назад

    A secret suppressed for a long time was that the Norden bomb-sight was actually junk and inaccurate in the extreme. It was the manufacturer's propaganda that kept the Air Force buying it.

  • @richarddexter7641
    @richarddexter7641 5 месяцев назад

    I don't have AppleTV, so I haven't watched the series yet. However, none of what you've mentioned in here would make me think less of the series. Hoping to pick it up once it's released on Blu-Ray (or hopefully, 4K, which I'd love to see them do with both BoB and The Pacific as well).

  • @namelastname1085
    @namelastname1085 5 месяцев назад +2

    Ahh yes... Garry Keoghan

  • @rudyyarbrough5122
    @rudyyarbrough5122 5 месяцев назад

    I read that the Germans actually got the plans for the Norden sight and built it but found it to be worse than the one they were using. I remember reading that their accuracy was almost a joke. One that survived the war was put into a modern plane and tested and found to be not very accurate.

  • @XAMS
    @XAMS 2 месяца назад

    0:55 "With whom he starts a physical yet secretive, almost James Bond-like relationship." Or you could have just said "affair" lol.

  • @jg119980
    @jg119980 5 месяцев назад +1

    8:13 this whole morality of daytime bombing over night time bombing is quit weak as proved in subsequent pacific raids there is no moral high ground when it comes to bombing.

  • @flemit35
    @flemit35 5 месяцев назад +1

    The Germans were offered the norden bomb sight, knew all about it. they also knew it was shit as demonstrated the the Americans

  • @michael-4k4000
    @michael-4k4000 4 месяца назад

    Wouldn't breaking the Enigma code be the most important secret and variable to the war effort? Better weapons are great and all, but knowing what your enemy planning without them knowing you know is so much more important.

  • @OZOZOZ968
    @OZOZOZ968 5 месяцев назад

    As a Brit I understand it’s us focused and that’s fine but it painted the British / commonwealth empire forces borderline disrespectfully . 0 sacrifice shown .

  • @Robin-zh1pz
    @Robin-zh1pz 5 месяцев назад +2

    Really would've loved to see some of the B-24 groups experiences in the 8th. A B-24 crew ( Hot Stuff) was the first to complete the 25 mission tour, the Memphis Belle, was actually the third, behind the B-17 (Hell's Angels)

    • @ericsalsman1243
      @ericsalsman1243 5 месяцев назад

      Pretty sure you're reading the wrong book....... the complete wrong book

  • @sdboy1978
    @sdboy1978 5 месяцев назад +3

    Well. If the viewers know history, no explanation is needed for the Brits’ night time bombing..

  • @ramman5784
    @ramman5784 3 месяца назад

    You can't compare MOA to the others. BOB war time was less than a year. A little longer for some in the Pacific. In comparison MOA was including all aerial Combat was from 43-45.

  • @QU141.
    @QU141. 5 месяцев назад +2

    are all of these vids chatgpt? over 20k videos uploaded and literally fulllength videos every like 5 hours

  • @FlyingCrow
    @FlyingCrow 3 месяца назад

    Sorry, Tuskegee Airman NEVER flew with the 100 BG.

  • @allannorman2359
    @allannorman2359 5 месяцев назад

    I so enjoyed the show , and would look forward to any outakes from the series..

  • @pvtjohntowle4081
    @pvtjohntowle4081 5 месяцев назад +2

    Why do we need to know about the Swiss Camps? Really we saw the POW camps, that was enough. How long do you want this series to be ? 20 episodes?

    • @ChienaAvtzon
      @ChienaAvtzon 5 месяцев назад +1

      The POW storyline should have been shelved. It was terrible.

    • @filupe01
      @filupe01 5 месяцев назад

      20 episodes would be nice!

  • @M29WeaselDriver
    @M29WeaselDriver 5 месяцев назад

    There’s some irony in that the Germans already had a copy of the nordan bomb sight and they didn’t like it. Also nothing against the Tuskegee guys (they should And have several movies specific to their sacrifice) but that time should have been used on primary character building. They could have also given a short snip at the end to those Brit kids. I understand when they grew up they helped save that airfield and turn it into a museum. It’s over all a very good series though. Now they need to do a multi part series on Bob Hoover and his exploits during and after the war. Or Jimmy Doolittle A 3-4 hour series on those guys would be excellent. Both would be solid action to the end. With Hoover stealing a German plane in the war and Doolittle commanding the 8th AF

  • @atunaco
    @atunaco 5 месяцев назад

    I wonder why in non-pressurized airplanes flying at high altitude and at an enormously low temperature we don't see the fog when the masks are removed.

  • @elliotwhite5230
    @elliotwhite5230 5 месяцев назад

    I enjoyed the show, but they missed Big Week!! Where the Allies really start to establish air supremacy to prep for D-Day, where Doolittle enacts using bombers as bait, they don’t show much of what happened from early winter to spring of 44’ then jump to D-Day.
    Otherwise the range of nations and peoples who contributed is always something that would be nice to see, but it is understandable from the story they are telling. I’d enjoy the series to be even longer, it felt rushed at times.
    You could make an entire show on the planning, execution and consequences of Big Week, but there is so much history in all of this, I get the writers struggles😂

  • @kinnertubbyson
    @kinnertubbyson 5 месяцев назад

    Statistically the ball turret and the co-pilot were the SAFEST places on the whole fort. The nose (bombardier and navigator) and the tail gunner were the most dangerous positions on the whole plane.

    • @ericsalsman1243
      @ericsalsman1243 5 месяцев назад

      If you exclude the data from crash and loss of control events, sure

  • @Adam1212C1
    @Adam1212C1 5 месяцев назад +3

    The waist gunners had a MUCH higher death rate than the ball turret gunners. Another fact they messed up.

    • @Caroline-rv8wy
      @Caroline-rv8wy 5 месяцев назад

      This video was wrong, yes but the series showed multiple waist gunners getting injured and killed - Clanton from Brady's crew and Saunders from Blakeley's crew both died and Rosie's waist gunners were so severely wounded in the Münster mission that they never returned to action.

  • @Nedski42YT
    @Nedski42YT 5 месяцев назад

    Masters of the Air turned out to be better than I expected. It was almost as good as Band of Brothers and The Pacific.
    I have been severely disappointed with most movie depictions of the WWII Army Air Force. The Red Tails (2012), Memphis Belle (1990), 12 O'clock High (1949), and Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo (1944) all seemed to me as patriotic propaganda movies with little realism. MotA al least showed some of what the day-to-day and minute-to-minute details that other productions left out. I would have liked it MotA had double the number of episodes.

  • @derwinemro3855
    @derwinemro3855 5 месяцев назад

    Personally, the CGI was kind of poor. Battle damage was overdone, compared to photos i have seen. Far too much of the series was taken up by the POW camps. A lot of stuff was skipped over, particularly the March 6,44 raid to Berlin. It could have been so much better.

  • @Shteev91
    @Shteev91 5 месяцев назад +1

    Who the fuck is Gary Keoghgan?

  • @jamesthompson1685
    @jamesthompson1685 5 месяцев назад

    What else they missed out…. The bomb sights weren’t the second most guarded secret, it was still wildly inaccurate. As much as they like to think they wouldn’t knowingly bomb civilians they did and they knew it. 5% of allied bombs landed within 5 miles of their targets… 2 most closely guarded secret of the war…. What a load of rubbish! American bombers were barely regarded as medium bombers, their bomb load was so small. They only bombed Berlin about three times…. This was such a disappointing series full of American proper gander. Memphis belle was more accurate

  • @laaarsu
    @laaarsu 5 месяцев назад

    Attrition rates were normally high for the 8th Air Force during WW2. And the reason was as political as it was a result of formidable resistance by the Luftwaffe. I'd argue that the "Bloody Hundredth" sadly got its name because Army Air Forces High Command resisted developing the fighter escorts out of a stubborn insistence that "bombers will get through".

    • @ericsalsman1243
      @ericsalsman1243 5 месяцев назад

      its called brand new doctrine for a reason, good input there general

  • @garysteinert8040
    @garysteinert8040 5 месяцев назад

    I noticed a huge CGI problem that no one is talking about.

  • @thesnazzycomet
    @thesnazzycomet 5 месяцев назад +1

    The pacific had interviews with veterans

    • @ChienaAvtzon
      @ChienaAvtzon 5 месяцев назад +1

      While, “Masters of the Air” has an accompanying documentary with interviews of the veterans, from before they passed away.

  • @TannerRoberson
    @TannerRoberson 5 месяцев назад

    I'm glad they didn't go into the Swiss prisons. The stories from Wauwilermoos churned my stomach and how men like Daniel Culler were treated afterwords by his own comrads is heartbreaking.

  • @nickparise9191
    @nickparise9191 5 месяцев назад

    Once again the people who make these pictures ruin them with everyone mumbling and music overplaying the dialogue. Sound in modern pictures is terrible. Great series ruined for me by not be able to understand half of what people were saying.

  • @climaexpert
    @climaexpert 5 месяцев назад

    The comment about Swiss POW camps where most likely filled by the Air Crews of the 250 planes which where mainly allied but also German Luftwaffe units. The US Air Force did bomb various Swiss cities during WWII and because Switzerland had a strict neutral policy, any foreign incursion would be engaged and be asked to land and if they did not comply then would be shot down.

    • @Thenogomogo-zo3un
      @Thenogomogo-zo3un 5 месяцев назад

      Swiss swayed to Germany when the Germans were winning. Then swayed to the Allies when they were winning
      Neutral, my arse They gave downed airmen to the Germans

  • @plp9894
    @plp9894 5 месяцев назад +3

    I thought the show was poor .

    • @CzechImp
      @CzechImp 5 месяцев назад +1

      Don't say that! You will be accused of spreading hate!

  • @Pseudonym-aka-alias
    @Pseudonym-aka-alias 5 месяцев назад +1

    A decent script🤪

  • @peterbrungardt5434
    @peterbrungardt5434 Месяц назад

    They also left out the special features

  • @gavinkarnage
    @gavinkarnage 5 месяцев назад

    the greatest show of all time.

  • @akangsamuel9021
    @akangsamuel9021 5 месяцев назад

    The Ball is the safest place on the B17!!!!

  • @hannahr0071
    @hannahr0071 День назад

    the flying of the NZ flag in stalag VIII