3D Printing is INSANELY practical.
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- Опубликовано: 27 дек 2023
- 3D printing may not have been practical 2-3 years ago, but times have changed! We have now crossed the threshold where 3D printing is actually INSANELY practical. Here is a perfect example. Enjoy.
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Testing the strength of these anchors: ruclips.net/video/xA2w4t3rSRA/видео.html
I’d love to see how the strength of these compares to commercially available ones. Stuff like this is why I finally ordered a 3D printer. My main interest is making small plastic parts
PLA/PETG vs nylon/ABS be pending on the source. I wouldn't put anything heavy on it, but heavy items should use a stud whenever possible anyway.
Really bad. The commercially available ones are made from polypropylene(PP), this one is PETG at best. To print it somewhat similar to PP, you need nylon, and nylon is a nightmare to 3d print since it's hydroscopic as hell. There are PP filaments also, but they are 2x cost of PETG. So it's barely getting cheaper either if you want to have 3D printed anker as strong as commercially available one. You can only benefit from 3d printing when you need something custom.
@@antonkukoba3378 also injection molded part is light years ahead of strutural integrity vs 3d printed one.
You can make 3d print stronger than injection molding counterpart, but it wont be fast or as cheap as buying one off the shelf.
You are almost always better off simply buying off the shelf parts. Well established parts are cheaper and more reliable compared to 3D prints. 3D printing can make sense if you are developing something for instance but the filament material is already 3-5x more expensive compared to plastic pellets for injection molding and the you have additional energy costs as well. This wall anchor idea is the best example, you could have ordered them online for a couple of bucks and they were delivered via mail to you probably on the next day.
It probably took him longer to develop his own version of it and it did cost most likely more money in the end.
@@sierraecho884 no not really it is always the case.
3D printing is amazing at many things, from fabrication to rapid development of prototypes or even aid in mass production (on small/limited scale at least).
I'm mostly printing usefull custom stuff. Mostly car parts or home decor parts like knobs or custom lampshades (4 of those off the shelf costs more than my whole ender 3 setup).
It is best to know each material properties and aim to improuve existing design coz material wise it would be harder to surpass.
While your point is definitely made, I feel like practically, unless you're selling the model, you don't need to reinvent the wheel; you can easily take inspiration from existing wall anchors, or even copy them entirely. Still, I love the iterative process you're displaying, and I like that you're sharing it with us!
Yeah I did not get the point since a normal dry wall ancor works fine
@@sharazarI think he just wanted to show the more functional uses of a 3d printer in a somewhat engaging way. If he just made an existing wall anchor design the video would be a lot shorter and less interesting.
This can also serve as an educational opportunity to learn CAD software regardless of which route you take so I think it’s a win/win. Don’t always gotta profit off your hobbies
3d printed parts usually need to be designed in a different way due to the limitations of additive manufacturing. a normal wall anchor is usually something strong like nylon or ABS and is always injection molded which has no inherent axial weakness. with 3d printing you have different materials and a very obvious axial weakness between the layer lines, so the parts you design need to take this into consideration. If you were to just copy a commercial wall anchor and make it identically you'd likely be very disappointed with how it performed when you printed it out.
Tou would work well for this. The harder TPU I use can be made crazy strong.
I’ll probably stick to buying anchors at the same time I’m buying drywall screws. But when someone discovers that weird use that really benefits from being custom, it’s cool they have this foundation and don’t have to start from scratch.
You COULD actually print your own screws as well. Then as long as the screw was stronger than the anchor legs, the system would still function. By adding a peg of some sort to the outside of the anchor, which the screw could screw into, it could even be a tidy one colored assembly that can hang or attach anything. Endless customization! Either way, I think people have more screws around than spare wall anchors.
The thing is the anchor itself could only be just part of the piece here. Now that he's perfected the anchor part, he can expand on that to totally customize it for what he wants to do. Say he wants to install a hook on the wall. He can 3D print a hook with this anchor integrated into it. Or a shelf bracket (light duty only), or pretty much a mount for anything reasonably light you want to put on the wall.
@@PhastorDragon EXACTLY! Not sure if you read my comment, but I said the same thing. I'm amazed by the negativity and lack of creativity in the comments.
A pack of generic woodscrews are way cheaper than the good drywall anchors at least at my hardware store
Ive had issued with normal anchors where the plasterboard is up against block wall. there is a gap between but its too small to slide these sorts of anchors into as they hit the wall behind before they can go all the way in. This could be usefull for occasions such as that but will need to be smaller.
One thing (among others) I found while having 3D printer (already 3 years) is that some parts like this, where you need it to be strong and last for years, is better to buy... The ones made by standard processes (mold casting etc) are stronger and last longer than the printed ones... But nevertheless 3D printer is of course super usefull - often it is impossible to find some spare parts (or they are not made by manufacters) so you can design your own and print it.
Definitely. It's great for temporary fixes though, or when you can't find the right part. Which happens surprisingly often, given how few manufacturers sell spare parts for their products.
Making stuff bespoke is a big reason for me after prototyping being my first interest. I just printed a camera + light stand that attaches to the vesa mount of my monitor. My first go was in pla, redid it in nylon and it seems unbreakable.
I’ll advocate for the durability of the higher grade materials at least. The pla was probably sufficient, but the nylon is insane. The setup holds my 7 pound full frame setup and a 9 inch circle light perfectly.
Doesn't seem to have a percentage of strength increase to say it's advantageous to buy rather than print.
And you can make guns with them
The last but one design without the flange will also work in practice. I can’t think of any circumstance why you should screw in and tighten it without having something in between to hang up.
This was the point that I made in my comment. Why are you just putting screws in your wall?
Oh, and I think these are the wrong screws for this application. They should have a section near the head that is not threaded
Same instance for the countersink
Hanging a mirror/picture you often leave just an exposed screw to hang the hooks on. but equally, you're not exactly clamping it up tight enough to engage the flange anyway..
When I discovered I could print loads of PCB mounts, standoffs, and latches for around $0.01ea that I normally had to buy in bulk to get $0.08ea pricing, there was no going back. I've been cranking out all kinds of such hardware and I find it's best to start with an existing design and modify it for printing.
while I agree 3D printing can be very practical, I feel like some of these examples are a little contrived. While they may occur, I doubt they are the scenarios most people who have a 3D printer find to be most practical. Regardless, nice drywall anchor, it was cool seeing your iterative process!
The point is that you can 3D model and design ANYTHING as long as the printer is big enough, capable enough, and the material is strong enough for the job. It changes the way you think about fixing things.
I needed a big gutter but because of new year, the delivery was several days. So I bought smaller ones which happened to be cheaper, printed a piece to join them and solved my problem the same day.
Everybody finds their little specific problem, and 3d printing gives you new options
"a little" This one is beyond laughably contrived. "watch as I spend all sorts of time and money saving no time and money to try to design a plastic wall anchor that already has been perfected by the ones I could have gotten by now." Would have been a fine video if skipped the "INSANELY practical" BS statement and just said "Creating a drywall anchor with my 3d printer". Might as well had bragged about creating the wheel. Doesn't help that he apparently has never used a drywall anchor before, or done anything with drywall, as his square starting point was clear that he had no idea what he was doing.
The contrived nature of this example undermines the message. I have SLA and FDM at my house. Their value comes when I can custom design and print a widget for which there is no trivial commercial solution.
Drywall anchors? You fail to mention those packages on Amazon contained dozens to hundreds of pieces, including appropriately sized screws. Your own scroll showed one that was going to be same day delivery. The 'the store is sooo far' example bypassed multiple closer options (don't cut down to the 1, there is a hardware store in Palisades). Commodity items are not the reason to add home printing to your repetoire.
I'll add an example.
I had a cheap coffee machine / espresso maker. There is a knob that you turn to adjust how much steam/water will go into the coffee. This knob internally has a plastic part that broke. Because it's a cheap machine, there's no way in going to be able to find spare parts for it. I managed to 3d print a small plastic part that fixed it, so the money I saved was the cost of a new coffee machine. (I did get another coffee machine years later for other reasons)
Another example is small plastic clips in your car that hold things together, these tend to break over many years of use. The alternative is usually a full assembly purchase.
Same thing for some furniture, like office chairs.
Isnt the counter sink for the screw head useless?
I never use this type because of the brick walls here in germany :-D
how do you know? maybe he just wants to a put a bunch of drywall anchors into his wall and stare at them like art
European homes are not like usa ones, someone I know in Italy also has rock solid walls, but here in the USA they use drywall for everything
I bought a basic 3d Printer for hobby and college projects, but it still help me with a lot of problems. I made supports for my sisters desk, i fixed my PVC slide door latch/handle, made tokens / tickets for my fathers bar, etc
Although I do some "fun" prints, my printer is almost entirely for problem solving, often making things I haven't found made elsewhere. As a part of another hobby, people sometimes see my printed objects, often just small pieces like this, and are amazed at the elegant solutions I have some up with fir small inconvenience. Occasionally I have spares I give out as well. My friends now come to me when they need something and ask me to design it.
Same here, while I still find the occasional Thingiverse that I want to print, most of it is my own designs in FreeCAD which simply don't exist. Learning 3D CAD you see the world of parts and pieces differently, and realize how dirt simply most are to create to your own dimensions and needs in a tool like FreeCAD. Most basic widgets take me less than 10 minutes to design and get printing these days.
Printing those glizzy switches huh?
Can't wait to see what else you have planned to post on RUclips!
Thank you for showing the design process too
I bought some rubber feet for my sofa the other day so I could put some toy storage underneath. Storage boxes and feet arrived and... well... I didn't do such a good job ensuring there was enough clearance. So I knocked up a quick extender piece, printed four and finished the job in the limited time I had to do it while the little 'un was away.
I def agree with your point and it's absolutely not just about "wall anchors" 😀
Despite the comments saying "not strong enough," I took it upon myself to print these in PETG (a special blend from Sparta3D). These anchors are in fact, strong. Maybe too strong. Because PETG bonds rather strongly, I found that the torque required to actually pull the tabs down on itself was too much for my power drill. I switched to the screwdriver, but then found that the screws started to strip.
The point, or moral, being that anchoring things into drywall, plaster, or whatever, is definitely an art and there's likely going to be more than one iteration of this design.
It has done more things right than most anchor kits I've seen, but there's real physics at play here that can't be worked around.
Your iteration versions and problems and solution for that problems are very very educational and excellent! thanks for sharing this!
Love the video, I also ended up designing and printing a similar wall anchor for a niche use. Although mines a lot fatter to fit in a large drywall hole for hanging up my curtain. Loved seeing your design process for a similar piece
I like the iterative journey, thanks for sharing it with us.
Great video. I love to see the process of refining a design.
Finally for the first time since I have seen 3d printers , can i say I want one now !
So I live in Europe where drywalls are not so common but I find this design very nice. I would like to toss an observation in: countersink is pointless because you never have just the screw on your wall: it's purpose is to hold something on the wall.
It feels like this anchor would benefit from using a partially threaded screw so that when the end of the screw is pulling on the end of the anchor the screw on the front is not grinding down the front of the anchor, possibly getting stuck if the screw didn't overcome its own-made threading in the plastic front of the anchor
Amazing work!
Brilliant Steven,
Some negative comments seen as I read through. The concept of designing and printing wall anchors is such a good idea, I’m kinda wondering why I never thought of printing this!
Thanks for the video and thanks for the great idea
Good work. I made some myself a few years ago because my towel rack kept coming loose. I ended up making a straight rectangle with a nut incased in the middle. (like #10 machine screws) Then I added holes for some sewing thread. Then I just put it through the hole sideways and then pull on the thread to get the anchor to mate tightly to the inside wall, and since I'm using bolts, the #10 screw screws right into the nut easily, unlike a drywall screw. Once the screw bottoms out, it sucks the anchor into the backside of the wall and won't spin. Making a very wide and secure anchor. I havent had to fix my towel rack again in the last 4 years...lol
I've printed a bunch of various zip tie anchors for screw-down, magnetic, and self-adhesive mounting and they work great. The commercial ones can also easily be 25 cents or more unless you order them in quantity, so printing them is also quite a bit cheaper. Most of what I use my printer for is little jigs, fixtures, adapters, and enclosures and it's become an essential tool in my arsenal just from that.
Incredibly cool! Nowhere near the final possible iteration of this design as well. I imagine there might even be a way to make it more compact by allowing the part of the body in the wall to twist and collapse. Great video!
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of practical items available for free on the popular 3D Print repositories online. I print everything from wall anchors and closet door wheels to 1/!0th scale WWII RC tanks on my printers. Thanks for your great video.
thanks man, really apreciated
why countersunk the anchor? Usually you'd be attaching something with the screw, not just to have a screw+anchor in the drywall by themselves :D
Nicely done!
this was a fantastic video.
Thanks for sharing! Interesting seeing the iterations you went through in the design plus the collapsable wings work brilliantly. Will definitely given these a bash :)
Hi Steven, Im Steven
I too love 3D printing and things that are practical ^^
Glad your channel showed up in my recommended
The only issue is that you normally don't screw the screw all the way in to hang something.
could add a point to the print you could hang something off, or modify the design so it buckles completely before the screw is completely set
The design is easily modified to stand out a bit more from the wall, just add a wire groove or even a hook.
It will still function the same when something is placed over the anchor. If you don't want to tighten down onto the object, use a washer I suppose. Could also easily modify the anchor to have a small stand off of any kind allowing it to be a hanger, peg, or any kind of custom attachment point. It could either have the screw sit flush in the end of it or go around the screw head and be hollow. Tons of options!
Put something between the anchor and the head of the screw, like a washer with with a bit cut out so it's a U not an O, tighten down, release slightly and pull out the washer.
Been thinking about getting a Bambu labs for a while… probably going to do it real soon regardless but this was cool to see a random practical application that I hadn’t even thought about using it with
I had the same project in June but put it on backorder and forgot about it 🤪 thanks for the reminder and competition 🤘
I did a similar thing with printing the little nail in bracket to hold wires to baseboards, i ran out and needed like 10 more so i modeled and printed them in petg, took like 30 minutes and serviced its purpose.
Have you experimented with sizing them up or down to fit different size screws?
Instead of hammering the anker in you should screw it in like commercial dry wall ankers. It just needs a coarse thread on the part that sits in the panel instead of just hooks.
I can tell you saved so much time testing these o.O
This is cool. Once I got my 3d printer, I've done only utility prints or lithophanes. I made a door holder to go on a door stopper that holds with enough strength to keep a door open, but is easily overpowered to shut. I made a working door knob based off a real one. I made a part that clamps onto my torch and nectar collector securely, so I can light the torch with one hand to heat the tip automatically, so I can hold the dab in my other hand and not have to juggle. I made a rotary handheld sewing machine. It can do basic stitches and is great for yarn to make my dog ugly sweaters.
I like how the design process here is basically re-inventing all the design elements of the commercially available wall anchors that already exist. Makes sense why that would be the case, but it might be a good idea to copy the design of an existing anchor and go from there.
Great idea and application. Good job. :D
Designing practical parts is quite quick once you learn to take good measurements, learn which dimensions are critical for it's function and learn to use OpenSCAD or some other parametric design tool.
Learning to design for the medium at hand is also quite useful.
I love designing parts that require zero post processing.
I'm usually done in 15-20 minutes and with 3 iterations of test prints.
This week I've designed and printed 5 different solutions to problems around the house.
I always love seeing videos of people trying to justify how owning a 3d printer can be practical. This is one of the handful that succeeds.
Browse around Thingiverse until your eyes start bleeding and you'll see 10,000 more.
I want to believe you! Please keep these videos coming if you can!!! ❤🙏
He cannot as he’s now apparently insane.
Love the design process in this video (and in general), more people should get involved.
The problem is you (and I) can get so wrapped up in the process that you lose sight of the real requirement. Here, you don't need a countersink on the flange face as whatever you are fixing will cover it, and from a costing point of view, you still need the appropriate screws so, I still need that trip out.
I love the 3D PLA printer that - cough, cough - my son has. Make all kinds of stuff with it.
To all guitarists: You can print plecs in any thickness, shape and size in a matter of minutes. My plecs just disappear all the time. I used to buy a 12 pack of Dunlop plecs every few weeks. Now I just print them in PLA. 24 plecs fit easily on a bed. And now I don't even care about losing them anymore, because it's dirt cheap and I got a ton of spares. And I gift them to all my guitarist friends.
Someone gave me a guitar pick punch as a gift one. I just print a sheet of pla or abs and punch them out. Had the punch before the printer, so i never modeled a pick.
I print mine too. I modeled one with the perimeter shape that I was already used to, but rounded off one of the back corners a little more so I have 3 different angles to use for slightly different sounds. Then I put bumps on one side for grip and to get that Edge sound. The result is a custom pick I can't even imagine how to improve upon for the styles I like to play. Literally my favorite pick I've ever used, and I always have plenty.
Try a custom string winder, even one glued onto a spare hex bit for fast spinning from a drill.
You don't need anyone to tell you, but the naysayers in the comments here are HILAROUS and way off base. This is a clear example of 3d printing being able to produce an item that performs better because you can't easily mass manufacture something with complex geometry. Great work and i'll be downloading!
You dont need the counter sync most anchors are used to hang something off of drywall so the screw needs to stick out slightly in order to hang the picture or object off the anchor
Dude! You reinvented the wheel... the one from Fischer only cost 24 cent (12$/50pcs).... and they work...perfectly....every time...
Actually Fischer uses Nylon, which is much better for this application than PLA or PET-G. Of course you can print Nylon yourself, but I think it's about 10Cent per piece at least than. As Nylon is not easy to print, you might also end up with some fails. So for normal use I always use Fischer.
However, as home improvement stores like nearly all other stores here in Germany are closed on sunday and like most other people home improvement mostly is done on weekends, sometimes while building something I run short on only a few dowels. And in many cases PET-G is perfectly strong enough. So it's quite helpfull to print your own dowel.
Also sometimes you mess up - and place a hole a few mm off, the correct hole overlaps with the missaligned one. So you can adapt a 3d design to solve this mess.
I wouldn't print a 50 or 100 dowels myself. But just a few to complete some project or correct mistakes is quite nice.
It depends. If you're hanging something and need 2 of these, that's $6 a piece (realistically you can probably find them for like $1/pc). And you have to drive there (which probably adds like $5~10 to the cost). Or you need to store them in hopes you eventually go through them all... which you won't.
@@Idiomatick this point is valid if you trow the leftovers away... i allways buy a box (because of the price per piece) and them store them, so i always have them on hand. You could say its an investment... like a printer, just cheaper 😉
@@stefans.8027 With the variety of plastic bits that exist, you'll end up storing a ton of crap though. And few people will ever go through a box of 50 in their life.
@@Idiomatick Its surprising how little space you need to store 95% of the plastic bits and bobs you actually need. The printer itself will take more space, and the time of finding (or creating) a good 3D model for your application should also be included.
Your video is blowing up man! Congrats!
What type of filament was used?
Nice concept. What size drywall can you use it on? What if you can’t have a flange?
As others have said, not sure such a commodity item is really where having a 3d printer shines. However, a few years ago, the handle on my microwave broke, and somebody had posted the exact part I needed to fix it. In a couple of hours of print time, I had the exact part to fix it, saving me literally almost a hundred dollars if I purchased from GE directly. THAT's where a 3d printer shines.
The video was meant to serve as an example, not the only or best problem to solve with 3D printing. IDK how people don't see that. Additionally, as someone else said: "Disagree with your take 100%. I just purchased IKEA pegboards. The pegboards didn't come with drywall anchors but in had some in a drawer in my kitchen. The part that locks into the drywall wound up being too long so they just freely spun when tightened. I downloaded this print and printed 10 of them in the time it took me to grab a beer and lunch. Being able to do this and not have to go out to the hardware store is EXACTLY why I bought a 3d printer."
What application would you have the head of the screw contacting the anchor?
There is always going to be something between them (bracket, etc...) as that is why you need to put a screw in the wall, as you are fasting something to the wall, thus the screw will never touch the anchor and the countersink is not needed.
Its still mind-blowing how many useful things xou can actually print at home at very low costs
I also enjoy rapid prototyping with my 3d printers as it enables to make improvements to my designs so quickly
yep lots of junk useless jusk can be printed to just lay around. And very little useful stuff, unless you're doing some projects all the time.
You are almost always better off buying off the shelf components. They are produces by the billions in great quality. It does not make any sense whatsoever to design your own wall anchors, this is a terrible example. If took him way longer with the R&D than simply driving to the story for 20min.
@@sierraecho884 That is a very clown thing to say.
For most cases there already is a design freely available which you only have to download and print.
And a trip to the hardware store being only 20min one way is only a thing in cities and was obviously in good traffic conditions. The same trip could take 35 min either direction + the time to actually shop.
@@AlexusMaximusDE "...That is a very clown thing to say. ..." No, it is common sense.
"...For most cases there already is a design..."
For most applications you can already buy products and don´t even have to print them as well. Most items are easy to get hold off and they are cheap. You don´t know the quality of any of those designs, but you can certain that a product works most of the time.
"...And a trip to the hardware store being only 20min one way is only a thing in cities and was obviously in good traffic conditions. The same trip could take 35 min either direction..." It took him probably 3x that long to design and test this stuff instead.
Obviously I like 3D printing and I am a design engineer I do design those products, that´s why I am telling you, in 99% or all cases it is not worth it.
@@sierraecho884 I genuinely have no idea why you are watching 3D printing videos if you think you should buy everything instead. You have a problem for every solution and miss every point you could actually take. As an engineer, what's the energy difference between printing something you need one or two of vs driving to the store to buy it at higher cost? There's a hundred other ways I could nitpick how silly you are being, but just let people print functional things if they want to.
I don't get it. 3D-Printed anchors are never going to be that strong as injection molded anchors and I wouldn't trust the screw for a bit.
Also, when I have the drywall screws, it would be very strange I didn't also buy the anchors, as I always buy them together.
I do agree that a whole lot of things you can print are good enough for renovation work etc. but I don't think anchors are a good example of that.
Did you test it? Willing to bet this will hold a lot of weight. The design also still has plenty of room for improvement. Have you ever watched the Project Farm wall anchor testing video? What do you think a lot of anchors are made out of? Plastic, including PLA. Many people have screws around but not spare anchors. Why do people always look for problems instead of recognizing solutions and looking to expand on the idea? There is plenty to learn from this video. Multiple other people in the comments have said they already print wall anchors both generally and for custom needs. What if the wall anchors you have are too small for a hole that already exists? Or you have an odd shaped hole you would like to fill? Guess what can solve that? 3D printing. Just one of tons of solutions I can think of with this video.
@802Garage Why do you react as if I am negative about 3D printing? I am certainly not, but I wouldn't trust a 3D printed anchor because it is made of LAYERS of plastic. Now you can pretend to do as if plastic is plastic, and I don't mind at all if you do, but layers of plastic coming out of a 3D printer are usually weaker than injection molded parts. Also, 3Dprints have the tendency to degenerate over time much more then injection molded parts, so eventually, I would not feel happy when standing under something heavy, knowing my live relies on 3D printed anchors.
And why do you pretend as if I am always looking for problems? I have given more incredibly positive comments on Practical Prints videos in the past, but should that mean that I am not allowed to say something when I am not positive about something he shows?
If so, I am deeply sorry, it won't happen again. I didn't write to step on your toes, normally I only comment on videos that I think are worth it watching them all the way to the end and then being available for it to write something. Sorry for that.
@@3dPrintCreator What I took as negativity:
"I don't get it." While this can be an expression that you need further explanation, in this case it seemed you thought this was pointless.
"never going to be that strong" You think you know something without having tested it, and I can tell you that you are generally incorrect.
"it would be very strange I didn't also buy the anchors" This type of screw doesn't come with anchors and is common to have around alone.
"I don't think anchors are a good example of that." Why not? Because in your opinion they won't be strong enough? Strong enough for what?
Yes, your entire comment did seem opinionated and dismissive with little substantiation. To me, it was defeatism for the purpose of defeatism. Half of the comment section is like this, and my frustration is additive. I want people to think more critically and constructively. I'm glad you give lots of positive comments, this just wasn't one of them. I admit my issue with your comment is connected to others on this video. Far more negativity than is warranted. Yours was far from the worst, and I didn't mean to seem overly aggressive responding to you. If you had something to add to the video, I'd have no issue with your comment. Of course you can give constructive feedback or criticism.
You are wrong though that these can't hold weight, be strong enough, or last. Of course you can just buy them too, but that misses the entire point. You understand that the way the plastic is layered matters, right? The strength between layers can also still be very high. TPU layer adhesion can be absolutely insane for example. Many prints the layer lines are almost invisible with good layering. Plastic degradation over time in 3D printed parts depends on the material used and the environment its in. Not a high concern here. Indoors, no UV exposure, temp controlled. I'm not sure if you have ever used a standard wall anchor, but these will hold more weight than a lot of them, I guarantee it. They have a larger holding area and therefore distribute pressure more both in front of and in back of the wall compared to a standard expanding peg.
You didn't step on my toes, hurt my feelings, or offend me. I just find this entire 3D printing comment section lacking in outside thinking. I have literally printed functional car oil caps out of PLA. It's a threaded part in a high heat environment holding back hot petrol based fluid. Everyone says it shouldn't work and it does. Tested for thousands of miles on multiple cars now. Is it a perfect product? Of course not. Is injection molded better? Sure. Does it work and did I customize it to my liking? Yes. Could I now print a replacement oil cap which would function, I absolutely promise you is not available locally, would cost far less than even buying online, and I can make it look cooler? Yes! I can even tighten it down and the threads don't magically separate despite being vertically layered.
My point is, perhaps add something to the video like saying you'd like to see testing on the holding strength of the anchors or that it should be printed in certain orientations to maximize strength either in terms of pull out or vertical holding. Something like that. Giving feedback is a skill, just like designing and 3D printing. It does bother me how many people commenting on this video have no idea how to give feedback and are only adding negativity. You were not one of the worst offenders, but I did feel the need to point out what I thought you were missing. Consider me passionate about effort leaving a positive impact. No hard feelings hopefully.
@@802Garage The 'I don't get it' part was there because whenever I buy screws, I also buy the corresponding anchors, they are sold in the same shelf.
Not only your primary comment, but also this one, sounds a bit aggressive, and you are telling me commenting is a skill.
Just a few lines in your comment on me (and you don't know me):
"You are wrong though that....."
"It does bother me how many people commenting on this video have no idea how to give feedback and are only adding negativity....."
"You were not one of the worst offenders....."
Sorry, but to me you sound like you don't like making RUclips videos, but you like to comment on negativity. If so many people are negative (this is really what you say here), the tone in your videos should be more like answering them before they comment. Inserting a text like, "I know you are going to think this is not strong enough, but I have tested it" then showing the test.
My day job is to check whether a construction is safe enough to use as a commercial place, like a shop, a public building, etc. Those are places that you don't want things to go wrong, because people die if that happens. If you were to use your 3d printed anchors in a place where I check the vicinity, you would be losing your contract, forever. This might sound hard, but I can't afford to make a mistake. One mistake leads to death and that's not going to happen where I work.
One of the unbelievably bad things about 3D printing is that you don't know the material you are working with, and don't tell me you do, because it's impossible. You work with plastics that are made by external companies and you don't know their way of making it. Brand A PLA, is not Brand B PLA. And this is not only the problem with PLA, but also with any other material you are printing. adding a color to the filament is weakening the product, and different colors have different effects on that product. Layer adhesion can vary from batch to batch, no sorry... Layer adhesion WILL vary from batch to batch. This is not something you control, it's out of your hands. If you buy an anchor, the companies that make them are responsible if the anchor fails to hold the load, they have promised it should be holding. If your DIY thing fails, you are responsible.
Now, let us assume you are mounting a 3-kilogram Fan to a ceiling or a 5-kilogram television to a wall, and a small child is standing there, and your anchor breaks. What are you going to say to the parents, or the judge when you are arrested? I truly hope this will never happen with your DIY anchors.
In the meantime, I am going to stop commenting on your channel because as I told, I only give comments to videos I have watched from the beginning to the end, and that are worth it leaving a comment. I am not here to let anyone tell me I am an offender when I have tried to do them a favor, and you just did. There are a lot of lessons to be learned here on RUclips. I hope you learned your lesson with so many people commenting on this video that have no idea how to give feedback and are only adding negativity.
I hope you have a good day.
@@3dPrintCreator This isn't commercial construction, it's 3D printing at home. Nobody is telling you to use these on a job site. Nobody is going to die from this unless they are well beyond reasonable in the first place. It feels like you are intentionally missing the point. I tried to frame my entire comment to you in a positive way so you would understand my point and even made it clear I was not being aggressive towards you personally, only trying to correct inaccuracies or misunderstandings in your comment. If you would immediately dismiss 3D printed products despite having no knowledge or testing data on them, then once again you are making the point I refuted in the first place.
I of course agree with you about the differences in filament, printer quality, slicing, tolerances, etc. That's why understanding the process, its limitations, and the purpose of the end product all matter. Holding a picture frame on the wall isn't the same as building a load bearing wall or holding up a ceiling fan. Your entire comment essentially derails from everything I said, which was that you missed the point of the video and were incorrect about the capabilities of 3D printing as a general rule rather than for specific high intensity purposes. I again would bet good money that these 3D printed wall anchors are stronger than many available off the shelf.
You aren't commenting on my channel, by the way. I make car videos. So don't blame the creator for my responses to you. I responded to you because you were one of many in the comments who was solely detracting from the point of the video rather than adding useful information. Again, you were far from the worst and my comment to you was just similar to many others. You didn't do anyone a favor though. Nobody can learn anything from your original comment except that "This is pointless." Which is incorrect and unhelpful. At least in our further discussion you actually get into examples that matter, even if they are truly outside the scope of the video.
The reason so many people are commenting negatively on this video is that they have very shallow thinking on the subject. They are focused on what the video does not show them instead of what it does. They are focused on how they can prove the creator wrong instead of how they can add to his points. They are focused on regurgitating what they have heard on the internet despite not having experience or data to back it up. Read through the comments and tell me I am wrong. The number of people spouting negativity with no substance is not small. There are also of course numerous positive comments and there is also constructive feedback that does point out flaws.
I'm all for constructive criticism. I gave you quite a bit of it. You are very good at dodging feedback by bringing up tangential points, but not great at engaging with the original conversation. It's fine to bring personal experience, but it needs to be relevant as well. I can bring up how 3D printing can't make a proper control arm for a car and it would be unsafe just like you can bring up professional construction. It would again miss the whole point of practicality. I can of course print a prototype and then cast it or make it out of carbon fiber or more. Many other car parts can be 3D printed. Do you see what I am saying though? Match the depth of your arguments to the content at hand. Going straight to hypotheticals in a totally different scope just to defeat a point is not helpful or reasonable.
To get back to the original conversation I'll ask and answer some questions. Did this video teach about a useful process? Yes. Did it demonstrate a practical skill? Yes. Did it demonstrate a practical product being created and used? Yes. Does this single example extrapolate to countless others? Yes. Could the specific product be used safely for numerous applications? Yes. Definitely as well as many off the shelf anchors. Does this video encourage dangerous use of this or any other product? No. Will anyone with half a brain come away from this video thinking they can buy any 3D printer, download and print this with no tuning, and hang a ceiling fan from it? I sure the hell hope not, but if they do, they couldn't be helped.
Perhaps most importantly, does this video demonstrate that 3D printing can be practical? Yes. Period. As for the final reason I originally replied to your comment, I still believe the statement "I do agree that a whole lot of things you can print are good enough for renovation work etc. but I don't think anchors are a good example of that." Is straight up false. We can disagree on that, and I'm not going to instantly convince you, but again there are even numerous people in the comments who have 3D printed wall anchors and used them successfully and for long periods of time. Hell, just Google 3D printed wall anchors, go look at the numerous designs and their makes. Isn't that proof enough?
I could keep going, but with all the positive in this video which directly correlates to both the title and purpose of the video, the number of people who came to only say "Nah, just buy it." is ridiculous. Again, those comments add nothing. Everyone is aware they can buy wall anchors. Literally everyone watching this. You think you did people a favor by telling them screws and wall anchors are sold at the same place? Also, no, wood or drywall screws and wall anchors are not typically in the same spot. One is construction and one is in household goods. Different types of screws.
If a mechanic makes a custom tool in his garage, do you think anyone is helping him by saying he can buy one instead? What would that comment add for anyone? Especially the creator? You had lots of useful insights and ideas to give, but I had to drag them out of you via this pseudo argument. You have lessons to teach, I have no doubt about that, but certainly not for me in any of the comments you left. I hope you understand that and have a good day.
thanks, nicely done
Thanks for sharing freely. Question though: What are you going to answer to the wall if the screw is flush to the wall? I can't think of an application we're having the screw countersunk flush to the wall makes any sense as you wouldn't be able to mount anything to the screw.
What material did you use?
The biggest strength of 3d printers is the ability to tackle planned obsolescence, a printer can quite literally pay for itself in a single print if it's used to fix an appliance that costs hundreds of dollars. All those shitty bespoke plastic parts that break in appliances can just be replaced by a 3d printed part. It might break again in another few years, but by that point you or somebody else has already done the work of designing the part and it can be printed at the click of a button, sometimes those parts have been redesigned to be more robust than the original.
Thanks I will try this out. Also Please get a magnetic Bit holder for your Drill. The Chode Stub kept throwing me off.
"Hey honey, check it out! I hung up that picture you bought, AND it covers up the six 1/2" holes I put in the wall while designing an anchor I could have bought for a few more pennies. If I don't count my time, I saved a nickel! We'll have the house paid off in no time!"
Man I love 3d printing
This is a good idea, if one is in a bind, but you over-thought the countersink. This is a wall anchor...so it has to anchor 'something' (picture frame, other wall fittings etc), so there is no need for the countersink, as the screw would need to be 'out' or going through whatever you are fixing to the wall.
Thumbs up though for making it available.
Very awesome
Thanks
I get the point of the practicality of 3D printing and I use this for creating spare parts that can't be bought or where it's a real pain to get them. Or even to create new "assistive" parts for new use cases of machinery at work.
But for dry wall anchors you really should have bought some that other people already put thousands of engineering hours into instead of "reinventing the wheel". ;-)
Exactly, I saved a piece of furniture by re-creating a plastic drawer glide that is no longer made. That is a practical use case.
What material was this? Pla? Petg?
this man... out here doing Gods work!
I love this. The one comment i have is that there is no need for the counter sink as 99.99% of the time there is something between the screw head and the wall anchor that you are hanging up. I state 99.99% because someone somewhere is going to find a usecase where the screw is flush to the wall. Its the internet, but for practical purposes the screw is there to hold something up not something together where a countersink would be used.
TVs are more common than that. In which case the screws hold a plate to the wall that the tv hangs on. Most people use small nails to hang pictures and not drywall anchors and screws.
This is a neat 3D printed anchor! One possible area of improvement is to print a small wall-facing peg into the collar of the buckling section that would socket into a hole in the flange when the anchor is properly fully secured. Most times when using a drywall anchor I can’t see into the wall. The screw is harder to turn when fully secure but a small visual indicator would be nice.
it wouldnt line up. the end of the anchor gets twisted by a certain amount. you would find that this idea in real life, would almost never ever work. no matter how much you tweaked and optimized it.
@@Nbomber maybe a peg into an oval hole to allow for a bit of twist? I can see from the video, the printed anchor design is not twisting a whole lot as it buckles.
Why do you need to countersink the screw? Isn't the point of the anchor for the screw to be mounting something else, such as a shelf or picture hanger?
I never though of a 3D printer as something to make materials with that already have been invented. And it makes total sense to do so considering these type of plugs propably cost 10 times the price of what they need to make them.
Next time you could re-invent the wheel. Just start with a triangle shape. Then go through the iterations until you got something that is actually rolling.
Don’t want to spoil the final form here to keep up the tension.
I was dying this whole video waiting for the punch line. Hilarious ending 🤣
Why mention the countersink and then not show it?
Thanks for a model and a video. Something I will try to print and use. Unfortunately nowhere you specify which material this should be printed with. For something like that this bit of information is crucial. I'm guessing PLA is not going to work. Would PETG work? Or do I need ASA/ABS for this?
This has been printed in PLA+ specifically. PETG and HIPS should do fine. I hate ABS with a passion, and even ASA might just be more trouble than it's worth.
@@SianaGearz WOW. I would never expect PLA to be useable for a print like this. Thanks!
@@detunized PLA is way more usable than most people seem to think. It might be the lowest common denominator when it comes to 3D prints, but it is nowhere near as limited in functionality as it gets credit for, especially with the newer PLA+ stuff.
Do I use pla
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Would love to see testing
Good you had a trywall at Hand
The files dont seem to be present anywhere on your website, where are they.
Search “wall anchors”
Awesome! the only thing could be improve upon is the size of the hole! I'm so curious about how much weight it can handle!
love the idea! but I can only print on PLA, which overtime deteriorate, additionally the weather (heat) can cause the printed tux to deteriorate...
do you actually have that problem, or are you just worried about having that problem. Unless you're using them for something critical, or in the wrong orientation for stress based on how you printed it, it really doesn't seem like PLA has much of a deterioration issue. The whole 'biodegradable' part of PLA is under pretty ridiculously specific conditions, and unless you're putting parts in the dishwasher or leaving them in a hot car you probably aren't going to have much in terms of deformation.
Wait... Why would the screw ever have to sit flush lol. Unless your putting anchors to to have them
most of the time If I don't have anchor (which I seem to not be able to avoid having) I just use a piece of any plastic that fits in the hole. most of the time that's enough since dry wall should not be load bearing. lol. this is overengineered yet cool. I respect the effort none the less. maybe next fender washers?
I would add teeth to the flange and also possibly to the part that buckles. This would make it stronger against attempts to rotate it once installed.
Nice idea, but why would the wall plug hole need to be countersinked? When I put a wall plug into the wall, i intend to put the screw through a bracket or asnother piece of material to affix to the wall, not just to stick a screw in the wall (unless I'm hangina frame on wire,m but even then, i'm leaving the head proud of thge surface to catch the wire/string for the frame) - I suppose the countersink makes the hole a little easier to get the sctrew into, but for the screw to sit flush, maybe not.
As an engineer I feel like this could've been done in one iteration if you looked at and understood the designs of existing anchors you can purchase first
Like this very much, you’ve got another sub. Is the countersink necessary? There would normally be something else between the plug and the screw….it might weaken the plug. I need a 3D printer, I’ve been thinking about buying one for about 10 years, perhaps I should take the leap😂
I love making custom brackets and stuff, but I live within walking distance of Home Depot, Lowe’s, and Ace Hardware. Anything readily available at one of those, I will buy instead of print.
I think a better option is a screw with wide threads so it'll screw into the drywall, a flange and a + shaped slot in it, this way you can drive screw not all the way in.
Think I’ll save time and money buying anchors as a pack rather than printing them out one at a time. Also the commercial anchors have been testing under load conditions so I’d rather avoid surprises.
For this reason, being able to make things reasonably instantly vs ordering or driving to a shop is the reson I'd like to get into 3D printing.. But where do I start? What type of printer and what type of plastic? Im sure there is a plethora of options...
Along the same lines, I made some ceiling hooks from PLA that work with a 5/8" drywall screw. I'm tired of eye hooks that tear up the wall or ceiling, then rip out and don't really hold well. They also can't be tightened into a surface as firmly/easily as a screw. Drywall screws have always worked great in for me, so I made some easy hanging light mounts for my workshop and other rooms.
...and that's how Steven spent at least a few hundreds $$ equivalent of time and labor on items that costs a few bucks. Good job, Steven =)
Why didn't you show the head sitting in the countersink? I thought it was weird that you went to the point of explaining that design feature and then not show the finished benefit. Did it not seat well?
I understand the desire to 3D print objects as I have been 3D printing since 2013.
However the argument for printing wall anchors doesn't make a lot of sense because of a few reasons:
1) Most construction isn't done on a whim and planning is involved taking into consideration the collection of supplies
2) Thermal injected molded objects are still on average stronger than layer printed objects (and less hazardous than resins)
3) At a certain point economies of scale will favour the retail solution
Printing things that don't currently exist to fit niches, 100% agree with, but this is printing for a problem where a solution has already been found.
Does your drill not have a variable speed trigger??? 🤦♂️