Adding Glue to Drywall Mud (Quickset)
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- An awesome pro secret for getting your quick set muds to stick to ANYTHING!
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Thank you so much for your videos and instruction. As a novice drywall finisher, this video really helped me to blend new drywall into old plaster with a great bond. One tip I'd like to share for other non-professionals who may be interested is that I purchased a cheap electric hand mixer and the beaters are the perfect width for pan mixing. Add water, add glue, mix it, add the dry material, then run the mixer up and down the pan. It works great and within 20-30 seconds you're ready to apply. Run the mixer in a pail of wash water and its clean. For me it really sped up the process which helps because you have to hustle as the mud sets up quickly. Thanks again for your videos. Great channel.
Look in to the mud mixin ball.....an absolute game changer for repairs! It has pre-measured scoops, a rubber spatula that hooks to your drill, and it all mixes up in a silicon ball that you dont even have to wash out! You just let the leftover mud scraps dry in the ball and it all crumbles out easily! I use mine all the time, and everything stores in the ball, which saves a ton of time and space!
A slower way is to add boiled linseed oil, but this will bring your plaster into a sculptable crown molding/bead mix that was invented by artists. Boiled linseed and slacked plaster and or whiting. Combining boiled linseed and whiting creates a workable putty for window glazing. (This is what was used before the invention of silicone and the permeable sealant was lead white pigment). If you want cake frosting plaster you can add titanium dioxide and whiting/calcium carbonate, or slacked plaster. Good tipster video. Thank you for sharing.
Just bought my first home and am trying to do some repairs (and fix the sins of the previous homeowners). Your videos are so straight forward and explain everything so well. Thanks do much!
Thank you for this video. When I was younger I fixed old plaster a few times. Where it was relatively solid but covered in small cracks, I started with a thin coat of quick set. Embed window screen into it, then another thin coat. Later I skim coated it with drywall mud to smooth it. I've never heard of repairs made this way failing unless there was a structural problem. I recently looked at a wall I fixed well over 20 years ago, still no cracks.
I didn't think I did this kind of project anymore but my son asked for my help. He just bought an old house. I'll still use screen but now I'll also use glue. I believe it will be even more durable than the work I did long ago!
I've added masonry glue (which is prob the exact same stuff) to our spec mix to get a better bond when laying stone. Same exact way and it definitely helps.
I used paper drywall tape back when it was the only thing we had, never had a problem with lifting or bubbling as long as I wet the tape. I would tear off a length of tape and dip it in a bucket of water before applying to the wall and it always stuck perfectly.
Also when mixing a batch of drywall mud I would put a plastic bag in a 5 gallon pail put the water and powdered plaster in the bag, give it a quick stir and tie the top of the bag. Next day it would be perfect, no lumps. Then I would clip off the corner of the bag and squeeze out the mud as I needed it, then tie the corner to keep it sealed and fresh.
This is exactly how I learned how to tape walls originally dip the tip in the water mud sticks very well
Excellent! Year and almost half later...
Thank you so much for putting this video out!
I'm in bathroom hell and you may have just saved my bacon. I just found your channel and this is the fifth I've watched in a row. Your explanations are crystal clear. Thank you so much. I'm almost excited to go back to the job tomorrow.
Yes, this is the only way to go. I ran into the same problem with the quick set letting go.This cost me a considerable amount of man hours.Most of my work is building out and flattening old walls . Peace of mind is a wonderful asset ,and happy customers are paramount.I had trouble with a few of my past jobs ,3 years ago over sanded gloss surfaces. I added P.V.A to all my setting compounds.Huge pay backs on hot dry days,tapes went in a lot better. Sure did stick well,no problems ever since.Thank you for sharing this valuable application with others plus myself.
May as well mix in old latex wall paint instead of glue.
Hello Again Vancouver Carpenter !! About 2 years ago our Chemists worked on improving the adhesion of our setting compounds, specially on reno jobs (painted walls) and they came up with our LITE SAND PLUS and i did trials myself and OMG !! The adhesion is amazing,,,make sure you don't wear a nice shirt ,,, that stuff sticks a lot on almost anything !! No glue needed, but still a good tip when you have half a bag of older setting compound in the back of the truck !
Thanks so much for putting this video together. My wife and I are DIY types and we tried some of the techniques you described in this video and some of the others and our drywall worked MUCH better.
Glad it was helpful!
I'm definitely going to try this out next time I do some repair work on my walls, thanks for the advice.
Thanks Ben. As I was applying mud today I noticed the bubbles that you mentioned on a different video I’m like ooo no he said that was a bad thing and yup I fixed it just like you showed me
Wish I found this last week. Lol. Put in a new set of stairs and had to replace some of the plaster. Things of course didn't line up perfectly so after taping I did a coat with 90 to make it easier to feather out. One side of the stair I had to fill heavier on the drywall side and on the other side I had to fill heavier over the painted plaster. Later that day coated everything with mud. Came back after the weekend and a large chunk had lifted off the painted plaster on the one side. Only where I had coated the 90 over plaster. Tape was fine, mud was fine. Just had to dig out the 90. Never had that happen before but now I will add glue every time. Thanks for the tip.
Great tip Ben! Thank you for sharing your expertise with us newbees. God bless!
Interesting, never seen it before in +35 years in the trade, but then again, I've come to realize that practices change from region to region. I'll keep this in mind, I typically run 80 grit sandpaper and/ or use a bonding agent (diluted on painted surfaces). I'll add this in my bag-o-tricks, thanks for sharing.
I used diluted Elmer's glue-all prior to patching in some plaster by brushing it in, and plaster once the glue was dry. It reactivates when the wet plaster is applied. Worked well and the patch is well bonded. I pounded on it much harder than I probably should have without any give. I'll try this with the quick set mud for the drywall to plaster joints as well as brushing on glue prior
i tried this glue trick with some 20 minute mud. I used it for a six foot square patch in my kitchen wall. Worked great! Thanks a bunch for the video.
I expect to use this method next week. Walk in closet repair after water damage. Walls are painted and I anticipate using hot mud, as you call it. It's been at least 10 yesrs since mixing mud. My tools are still good though.
Thank you.
I'm retired now wish I'd seen this video twenty years ago! I like it. thanks. you da man
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Great tip. I've been adding wood glue to my water for my Quickset mud for a while. My additional tip for mixing the glue to the water would be to add it to a bottle and shake thoroughly. I use a 1 liter soda bottle. Works great!
Crafter's tip: find a cheap immersion blender (also called a stick blender) to mix it with. It is designed specifically to get clumps out of gravy, sauces, etc...i imagine it would work like a charm for this. Just make sure you wash it as soon as you're done.
You mean a whisk?
What I do for tricky walls is spray the area with a spray adhesive. I let it set for a little bit and apply the compound.
Thank you Ben. My roto zip cut out a little large (1/2") on 5/8 fire proof board, got some patching to do.
Thank you so much 4 this tip. Your info is so helpful.
Its so helpful! Thanks Ben! Im from mozambique 🇲🇿
Thank you. A friend just ask me to fix her son's dry wall patches. This will help speed up my job!
Thank you so much Ben. Just what I needed to know.
I knew about adding glue, but just didn’t know how to do the dilution, shake and mix. So I went overboard prepping the walls. Thanks for the tip.
Back in the early 60's working with my uncle who was a stone mason,brick mason and tile installer, before polymer modified thinsets were available they would mix white wood glue into the thinset for added adhesion also mixed it into the mortar for use outside laying up brick or stone on walls, they always had gallons of white elmers wood glue on hand.
Would yellow wood glue work?
Thank you for sharing the tip.
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Just wanted to thank you for all your helpful shares. Seems more often than not, while observing your clearly conveyed videos, we share a great deal in common with our techniques & knowledge, this is a great thing, you truly share rich wisdom through your knowledge and experience.
Thanks so much brother
Thank you Larry:)
Plaster contractors use bonding agent or concrete glue for outside or inside work many brands out there
LOVE this tip. Had to spend $40 on amazon for the glue because NOBODY sold it locally! Im gonna use this trick for all the joints i have to re do at my house.
All you need is white PVA glue, which every hardware store definitly has in stock.
I bet titebond or gorilla will work
Excellent tip. Thanks!
Dude your videos are very helpful!
Thanks for the tip man. Great stuff.
Great tip, thanks Ben
Thanks for the very informative contents. Much appreciated.
Tks Ben, on that 1:10 ratio, You’re my kind of bartender.
Glad that I stumbled on this!!!!
Thank you for the nice video and how to use the plastic. (I have 10 boxes the plastic you use in this video but I don't know what they are doing for then I give free 8 boxes, I keep 2 boxes) Now I know what the plastic is using for. Thank again.
Really good trick thank you Ben. Cheers
My pleasure!
...learning SO much from you!
tyfs wth us!
If you are stuck with a certain type of quickset that has poor bonding capabilities, this is a solution plus extra cost. Use what works the first time. Know your products. I do keep a jug of that in my truck. Your nailing it kid. I would love to find an apprentice like you. You are 90 percent journeyman already and you have even taught me a couple things after 35 years as a journeyman taper.
Thanks Ben.. good info
Love this tip! Thanks!
Great lesson
awesome, thank you Ben!
thank you fine sir
Great info Ben! Is there much difference between adding glue to all purpose mid and the pre-made quickset?
Yay, Weldbond. My favourite glue manufacturer. Canadian and they don't test on animals. I think it's much better than school glue. The last time I used some of that it was very runny. I think most school glues are watered down. Crafters using Weldbond note that it is has a very quick tack, two parts can be stuck together and will immediately hold rather than falling apart.
Nice tip! This is gonna help for my next project. Does the glue speed up the set up time of the drywall mud? And can this technique be used with pre-mixed mud? thanks
Its to hard I say , no says the wife ive seen the videos. Thank you so much ! :) lol really helpful stuff dark art made easy thank you
Great video! Thanks!!!
Thank you for the helpful video. I have a question. I purchased a home built in 1950. My walls are hard as a rock and appear to be made of cement board covered in plaster. I have chips where pictures were hung, and in the process of rewiring I cut out a 12" x 24" section. Is the product you're using what I would want to mix to do my patching, or do you have a better suggestion. Thanks.
Great tip!
Great! Now I'm terrified that some tile I set on a semi gloss painted backsplash will delaminate... Trying to remember if I used thinset or tile mastic...
You rock as always -- quick question on glue. I notice on your plaster video you use a different glue and recommend a different water glue ratio. Is plaster a different beast with different glue requirements? -- or are you just demo ing how to use what we have handy in the house. Thanks kindly!
Never heard of this! Awesome trick. I imagine you never NOT use the glue-water now with quick set... you may as well for every application.
Not all brands require it. Hamilton Quicksets have never failed me. I still do it occasionally for problem joints.
Ben, you saved my DYI project. Had my old kitchen cabinets taken down which exposed a 22" plaster gap in the ceiling
Cont'd- parremeter. As it was plaster lath, I ran into a combined challenge of a lack of nailing surfaces and inconsistent depths from 1/4" to 1/2". So this looks like a great solution to ensure that my ceiling mud stays in place. Thank you!
thanks for the great videos
sweet thanks!
A cake mixing paddle on a cordless drill works great for pan mixing quick set mud.
Chump Johnson why is he using quickset and not joint compound?
Hi, I have been doing this for the last 30 years. I started out working for my brother. he started doing this for the same reason as you said. I was working on a job recently with many other plasterers patching up a retirement home building. I told the other plasterers about using bondcrete in the mix. they did not like my suggestion, and did it without any bondcrete. this is typical of many of the plasterers I work with. very frustrating for me.
Yeah, I have almost a gal of that stuff keftover from a job and was wondering if it would work for hotmud. Still not sure so I think I'll stick with the pva glue.
Super helpful. BTW You have made me a Paper Believer.
Thank you sir! I do have a question: in a quick pinch, would the trick shown in this video, can regular eva Elmer's glue be used?
so have you used westpac admix bonder?
What about rolling Plaster Weld on for a larger area? Seems like that would be an easier solution. If it works for quick set joint compound.
Great video with clear, no nonsense presentation. Can this also be used when fixing holes in plaster + lathe walls? Or only for sheetrock type walls?
Im sure you have done your repairs by now, but yes, this is absolutely necessary to repair plaster walls, and I would pre-paint all material edges of the areas to be repaired with the glue mixture before using the mud with the glue inside of it.
What are your thoughts on the plaster of Paris/pre-mix mud method taught by Laurier Desormeaux?
Thank you Ben, you made it so I'm confident in taking a job on after watching your series. I had some experience but not from start to finish.
Quick question, I'm doing a reno project with plaster. This will help adhere to it? Also you can't do this with all purpose correct?
You can add glue to all purpose, but for the most part, you don't need to. All purpose mud has slicking agents and adhesives in it that make it great for taping.
@@privateassman8839 ...thank you for the info
I didnt know that thanks Ben
Just curious have you ever used a bonding agent like a weldcrete or plaster weld to get quick set to chemically bond to paint or easily to drywall?
Great video and Tutorial, I learned a lot watching your video's. I rarely do patch up work around the house, and was wondering,....will "Elmers Glue All" do the trick as well? Thanks.
Yes
I was wondering the same thing!
That's what he used
I used quick 20 yesterday for the first time. It set and stuck very well and I let it fully harder 24hr. The glue is a good thing if you need to record sooner. Does thr glue cause it to stiffen faster or not?
You roll over existing wallwith oil base primer or just add the bonding agent
Is glue ever needed to be added to general purpose mud?
Where is the other weld bond thinset video you reference? Thanks!
How di you know the right mix for tape and float and texture
How would an experimental system of just mudding with quickset mixed on glue and a skim coat over it work? Instead of taping and applying the same 2 coats?
What kind of glue do you add? Can it be added to pre-mixed joint compound?
Does it affects sanding?
Verrrrry timely.
I have a customer that wants ceramic tile thrown over linoleum, and it is causing issues.
I was thinking adding to both thinset, then the grout.
I love your tips.
" tips" " keep the tip, Said the leper to the hooah." I love the comments! There are so many ways to skin a cat, for the same or better result. So many products have been used over the years. Lead paint as a base that mud peels, or latex hi gloss that needs to be sanded. Oil, vs alkyd or flotrol as an additive. Bring it. I've been lucky with green premix, and several years ago started dabbling in powder mix and found instability with results. I would now, now, now, after being presented with this video, try white glue in a batch mix from a 5 gallon green 90 to see what happens. How about glue in POP?
Mud will bubble when put over painted walls leaving lots of little holes ,does this fix the problem for that too ??😎
Terrific videos, I'm a heavy DYI'er and have always been down on my results of any drywall hanging or repair, and your videos are a huge help! QQ, do other glues / adhesives work well as Weldbond? Can general purpose construction adhesives from loctite, gorilla, liquid nails etc. be substituted?
PVA is water soluble ,those other glues you mentioned are not.they wouldn't mix through .So no you couldn't substitute them .
Carpenter’s wood glues that are PVA will work too, as will Elmer’s school glue
So wellsbond mix 1/2 with water? Then mix your quick set? Thank you I will try this.
Ive seen guys do this with concrete in floor leveling applications.
Alvaro Valladares I’ve done this for very thin areas that I haven’t had time to rough but I have had time to prime.
Nice post but Im still laughing how he calls it a "pro secret". Since I did this decades ago on a DIY project using a little trial an error to get it right for damage drywall paper the delaminated when it got wet from the water in the mud and Im sure I wasnt the 1st DIYer.
But Im sure I would have been fired for wasting the few minutes to figure out how to do it, if I was working for company at the time.
Isnt a little common sense great but, I guess googling the answer has replace that fun? But is cool to see all the different way ppl do the this same trick it just to addictive :)
OgGarcioVega yea but it’s so toxic. No one wants to breathe in all those fumes
OgGarcioVega do you have stock in deglossers? You’ve been commenting about it everywhere. It’s junks. Nothing beats sandpaper. Also your klean strip deglosser is on the reduced rack at my local store because no one wants it. I bet it’s discontinued
OgGarcioVega Its more like people in your area take lazy shortcuts that produce shoddy results. Don’t try to argue that point. I already know it’s true. It’s either you do a good job and sand or you just want to finish quick and degloss. We are classy in my area, no OGs around here and no shortcuts
Thanks been.
Nice! What's the quick set you like. We use Durabond 45 for problems, and if it's a hurry-up small job. Durabond 20 a little bit, but it kicks before we're done unless very small job.. from your video you're using 20 min, right m
Have you ever tried latex concrete glue.i always have a bunch around
Does it work if you just roll the glue straight to the wall?
White dish soap dove for instance has the same result!
Brilliant
I was told long ago from a guy to add some bonding glue to plaster patch that it would hold much better to the walls, I basically brush the glue in the holes some as big as a basket ball the only draw back adding glue into plaster it's harder to get smooth finish very sandy gritt which is why I only apply bonding glue to inside & edges of hole.
Not sure if this is a ridiculous question - but is it better to use normal or waterproof PVA?
excellent
Good tip. If you're going over paint, you can use a pva primer to help it bind too.
You may want to look into that a bit more. Pva primer should only be used on fresh drywall, never over existing paint.
Not true. PVA (poly vinyl acetate) is glue. A product like Bostik PVA is a great primer made for going over walls before replastering. This guy is putting white glue (PVA) directly into his mix, which you can also do. Remember, you're not priming for paint, you're priming for plaster or joint compound.
@@avisitorhere pva is an additive in glue. It is not glue. Like I said, look into it. Or not. No skin off my back.
@@howardlovecraft750 I've also had good success using Larsen Plaster Weld Plaster Bonding Agent. Just roll or brush it over the paint. The nice thing about it is its ability to rewet when you apply either joint compound or hot mud like tape setting compound or plaster. The trick to using this over paint is to thin it a bit, up to 50/50 with water. You kind of have to experiment with your conditions. If you don't thin it, you'll get orange peel, that is the surface tension will force the material into veins. So test first, thin as necessary.
Sanding the surface and priming b4 mud is necessary sometimes