Agreed, a lot bashed this game to be boring but it is fun in its own way & I believe a lot of people also sink hours into it. This quest is one of the best in the game, I wish I had finished it much earlier than waiting for lvl 28 to finish it.
I absolutely love how Hadrian reacted when you told her. She didn't flip her shit like basically all these characters always do. She understands what duty means and what it means to give your word. It was a mature reaction that understands and acknowledges there is another human being on the other end of the situation with thoughts, feelings, motivations, obligations, promises, and so many other facets. That's rare for me to have seen. Love this game.
I can't decide whether to turn him in or not.. on the one hand he's a sociopathic egomaniac who was responsible for killing dozens with the terrormorph attacks and also betrayed his old war buddy Orlaese. On the other hand, he was the fall guy for the colony war and didn't necessarily deserve to be executed to begin with (even though his knowledge of the terrormorphs wasn't disclosed) and he is offering to stop future threats to the UC. A pragmatic person would let him live because he could be more useful, but a just person would see him finally deserve the execution that was staved off. One of the hardest decisions I've had to make in a game
I spoke too soon, the video just answered my questions. So yes, there are more possible missions with him. I'm kind of interested in those missions...I'm going lie right to her FACE!! 😂
A pragmatic person would recognize he's petty and callous with way he wiped out the Tau colony and made a show in New Atlantis purely out of spite. Of all places to show off Teramorph, he chose it at a place where they have no means to defend themselves (Tau) and where most people live (NA) instead of say, a fortress colony. Bottom line, he's too unpredictable
@@pacifica2391 Relax, it's suppose to fun...Not a morality check. I ended up saving him, gave me a mission right away... Besides, there might be a way to take advantage of him.. Turning him in down-the-line after I make money and XP
In the end no matter his past and the evil things he did. He saved his daughter by making himself the bad guy. He attacked the UC but ultimately failed. In his failure, the UC finds out the truth about the Taramorphs.
I'm not telling Hadrian shit. I am not telling the council shit. Further more the council can kiss my ass, they imprisoned him to begin with. None of this is my business. Just give me my extra mission Mr. Vae vae victus, give me my extra credits and exp and you ALL can kiss my ass. Loners gotta be alone, I'm on to the next mission, peace out bitches. Was a good mission though, made me think waaaaay too much. A+
My character was born in New Atlantis and for rp reasons you'd be very pissed off if you realized a guy who was supposed to be dead orchestrated a terrorist attack in your home city and put your loved ones in danger. And if you knew you could do something to stop it happening again, you would.
Just like the Crimson Fleet, you can’t actually say (in game) why I chose the to turn in the Fleet or Victus. Victus immediately starts talking about how his name holds weight and influence now. There’s nothing stopping him from doing more damage in the name of “security” or just to ensure his possible release. As for the Fleet, they betrayed each other (or at least plotted to) at literally every opportunity they could. Their bad behavior, both groups, wasn’t going away.
I actually didn't even finish the UC Vanguard questline until Lv100+ and NG+. This was a real good series of quests. There's a lot of moral grey going on here. Personally I exposed the lie but on the flip side I won't be surprised if a player elects to keep the lie going on even if he's trying to play a good aligned character. SPOILER I do understand Vae Victis' dilemma during the original Londinion disaster. The truth of how Terrormorphs were made is so simple and horrifying, potentially so devastating to humanity that he did horrible things to keep that knowledge a secret. As distasteful as that was I do understand. Being one of the fall guy for the end of the Colony War was also messed up once you start digging past the surface. He was sentenced to "die" for peace because of Londinion and Cheyenne. For Cheyenne he was condemned for destroying civilian vessels, but the Freestar Collective were using civilian ships as a shield during the battle. The points above I did understand as just, up to a point. But it's after all this that his righteousness disappears. Look, I understand the hard choices he made at Londinion and Cheyenne, but he orchestrates the new Terrormorph attacks. There's some shady stuff going on with him and Reginald Orlase, and he sends you after Orlase as a way to tie up a loose end. The two were friends. He's "loyal" to the UC but there's still resentment from Francois Sanon that he was "executed" and then imprisoned for unjust reasons. He's been stuck in a prison cell for many years. He picks out a remote civilian settlement to test what he knew about Terrormorph creation and deemed these people as disposable for it. He does the New Atlantis Terrormorph attack as a twisted way to gain good standing for his clone daughter, and to see the Sanon name be salvaged. People died for this. The UC doesn't get off in this whole thing IMO. For the simple fact that Francois Sanon's execution was fake and the terms of the Armistice were not complied with. It was all a lie. Then the UC had the audacity to imprison Vae Victis and still made use of his services while he was in a prison cell. Did the UC leadership really believe that there would be no resentment on Sanon's part for using him while imprisoning him at the same time? I just completed this questline late last night. I do need to see exactly what the UC Cabinet does. They were not happy when presented with the facts. Their head diplomat knew of the secret that Sanon was still alive and he wasn't happy about it because this was going to be a huge risk and a problem later on. The recent events justified his concerns. The president knew and was happy to keep the secret but the Terrormorph attacks angered her. But I haven't seen Vae Victis dead yet with my own eyes. For all I know the UC got angry but still kept him.
I honestly wanted to punish Vae Victis for what he did. Then I thought that telling the truth would have put an end to his suffering. He doesn't deserve this, he deserves to stay in that cell forever: this is his punishment. Doing this I hadn't to renounce his questline. This looked like a good compromise.
He's obviously not suffering in that cell. It's a 5 star hotel and he was capable of organizing a terrorist attack from there. It would be safer and better to execute him. Who's to say he won't organize another terrorist attack in the name of his honor?
I know many of you let him live simply bc you want to reap the benefits from more side missions. From a gamer’s perspective, I think that is perfectly logical. I mean, what is the main goal for us (gamers)? To play video games and have fun, right? So having more side missions is definitely something we’d enjoy. Now if you’re talking about morality check, to let him live is a double edged sword. I know many of you will say he is smart and can benefit the colony in a long run, especially if there was another war. He’d be a great advisor. My concern is, he has already proven how dangerous he can be even under containment. He has access and ability to reach the outside world undetected. Say you let him live under the assumption that his knowledge will benefit the colony. I wouldn’t be comfortable with that. For all I know he’s already plotting something big to include his own escape when the time comes. So to me, he is more dangerous than usefulness. But I let him live, bc I want to play more missions. Nothing to do with who lives, who dies at all 😂
Honestly, this isn't a difficult decision to make. Vae Victus goes down. My only question is about the order of choices. The logical next step after discovering the truth shouldn't be to confront him directly. The logical choice is to report the information to the UC command structure and supply them with the audio recording. However that option isn't available. This irritated me so much that I paused the game just to find a video on this mission so I could vent. Obviously, the writers at Bethesda have never been in investigations. This reaction is childish. Just run straight to the evil genius who has been several steps ahead and tell him before anybody else that you discovered he's the Bond villain? Really?
After finishing the mission, I'm actually disappointed with the missed opportunity for some cloak and dagger shenanigans. Oh well, the story line for this was pretty good up to this point.
Thinking bout how much of a pain it is just to take the elevator down to where he stored(like a hamster)... while there are terminals out there with better rewards than a repeated 2000 bounty.... I think that the fact he still was able to cause a terroristic like act behind closed doors... he needs to not see the light of day...
Vae Victis is like Dresden from The Expanse he's monster but he's a monster who makes sense which makes it really hard to do the right thing and bring the fucker to justice and that's what is really scary about him
This story is so good. I am usually a goodie two shoes in games through and through but this quest has me fucking stumped. The first time where i am truly conflicted about what is right and wrong. I feel like i should tell the truth and have this man executed but then those war criminals get away with their crimes. It's like i see that even what he originally did (bombing the londinion space port was the right move and i think i would have done the same, which was save the galaxy from a xenomorph outbreak and keep the reproduction of xenomorph aliens a secret). It's even understandable that he gets revenge on the UC for unfairly targeting him (obviously not reasonable for killing innocent people). Not only are his motives somewhat understandable but also it allows me to continue to track down the evil people that committed war crimes bring them to justice. Obviously him killing innocent people at the UC space port is unforgivable even if i can u understand the motive of why he did it. It's do you think the people of londonion and the UC space port died deserve justice or the greater causualties and war crimes committed during the war between the UC and the free star collective deserve justice more? Those people are out there evading justice. It would be amazing if the next set of quests from him try to set you up as the co conspirator of dr. Esiel (or whatever the guy he originally set up) and you had to figure it out and then tell the cabinet you lied in order to track down war criminals. This almost reminds me of operation paperclip where the US used Nazi scientists for their space program (obviously the Nazis scientists were not as bad as vae victus lolol)
Dude lol as he was talking to me after finding about the plants on the terramorph mission I was thinking if I turn him in he has us me a co conspirator too lol
Whenever you are confused like that, just imagine that your own brother was eaten appart at Tau Ceti. And then, if you are able, to put all deaths of others that happened or will happend in the future by "criminals" (as you actually have no idea are those are politically picked targets or really bad people) that these monster called them and put them in front of those innocent people of Tau Ceti including your brother, and then make decisions. It's easy to sacrifice others for greater good, but never your own blood.
I told her about him and I didn’t finish because I looked it up and seen you can’t finish the final mission if you do and at where I left off she wasn’t really mad and didn’t tell anyone I didn’t finish the conversation but she was about to help me finish
Yeah, you’re totally right, this is a serious brain teaser. I’m more inclined to side with him. What does he have to lose by doing this, better question, what does he have to gain? The only thing I see that he has to gain is seeing his daughter honored. In regards to these other supposed war criminals, are truly that, or just people that he has a personal vendetta against would be an interesting revelation. Keep in mind I’m only lev 40.
Well Vae Victus is a biological terrorist so he's got to go. The other guys are not really active threats and will eventually be apprehended or die in hiding. Vae Victus is the only one actively committing terrorist attacks
Nah, never told Hadrian. Sanons explanation on why New Atlantis society is such a bad fit on the UC made perfect sense. They're leftovers. Dudes a bad seed, and once you get that, you can use him.
What he did was logical, at the end of the war you'd bomb the "forbidden knowledge" that could spark another war. These npcs lets their emotions dictate the moral compass too much.
it's all good and all that shit but if you bombed the forbidden knowledge, and some innocent died with it, you should take the blame. being a hero isn't easy
Was it also logical to orchestrate 2 terrorist attacks that ended in innocent deaths, just so he could make his daughter out to be a hero? And it's easy to say that when you have no ties to any of the dead. Imagine if irl some terrorist orchestrated the bombing of your home city and killed someone you loved, and then admitted that fact, given that situation I doubt you would logically say the same thing. Everything he did was based on emotion and he didn't even destroy the information
I’m sorry, but if you give me the options between: more content and moral good? I’m going to choose more content. I ain’t spend all this money to console NPCs on their daddy issues! Gimme dem credits and let’s go huntin’!
Haha the comment are like the angel me the devil me and then i guess the human me people saying screw the council others saying screw victis others saying its about credits and exp. Love it i ended up not snitching on bro
I am so glad i did this quest line before the main quests… i chose to lie and let him stay in his cell while i hunt down the others. The galaxy wouldn’t be ready to hear the truth, so better to go with his story.
Either way, Vae Victis gets what he wants: redemption for his daughter, and revenge on the UC. Keep him alive, and the UC keeps their pet human goldfish, while his daughter is free and successful, he remains, a criminal at large, with the UC none the wiser and the most notorious Vanguard as a puppet. Kill him, and you're freeing him. No longer the toy of the UC he so faithfully served, and grew disillusioned of. There was no "good guys win" choice here. This was "Francois Sanon wins; period."
here because I can't decide what to do and judging by the comments noone else knows either. Good RPGing Bethesda 👍 one thing I would say though is it seems letting another big monster out to kill the first big monster seems like a bad idea but I'm not sure why they can't do both. Use the Terramorph predators AND follow up with the microbe.
It's not a predator it's like a grazing animal that prevents the beginning stages of terrormorphs, the microbe is very likely to evolve over time and will spread throughout the Galaxy probably worse than what we're trying to deal with. It's too easy for Viruses or Bacteria to mutate into being able to infect humans or other life forms in general.
I screw him and hadrian pretty well I told hadrian nothing about her dad and i told vae victis thst i won’t tell the truth about him in the cabinet and just in front of the cabinet i told that he is full responsible and shocked hadrin with the revelation that her father is alive a murderer and probably going to be executed 😅
So moneywise, it's better to lie and keep her father alive? And without going into the details, does his father will eventually get out if we help him killing his targets? Because on one hands, telling the truth give him what he deserves, but on the other hand lying get rid of other ''bad guys''... And since he's imprisoned, wouldn't it do more ''good deeds'' lying and getting rid of more bad guys, or killing him kind of make no difference on the bigger scheme? Like the targets he makes us kill, would they still be relevant if telling the truth and make him executed? This is such a dilemma, I wanted to get him executed but also wanted more rewards & get rid of bad guys that were not imprisoned...So I did became his hitman for the ''greater good'', but I don't know if sparing him will come bite me in the a** at one point lol. Anyhow, I've keep a saved at the crossroad in case I get F in the end, but I would like to know if I told the truth some free bad guys that I killed would have done more wrong if I didn't lied lol.
Reason I love this side quest, a mystery, badass moments like at Londinion felt like a movie, also the complexity of the story, outcome, and character. As bad as this guy is and I too want to put him to justice, putting away more criminals would help in the long run. As long as he doesn’t set up more attacks because now WE know the info, and I doubt he would. Still, considering DLC’s and such, who knows. Kinda hope this won’t be the last we see of him or this storyline It’s incredibly intriguing. Also if you bring your companion, they have to wait outside the cell (as instructed) which I find immersive and smart detail, which also helps with not ruining the relationship with such a complex choice you make in there. Though, be interesting to see their take. They even comment about the attacks and who has done it when you lie or tell truth.
not to mention the implications of the fact that the Major doesn't have clearance from UC to know he's alive nor did the doctor and whoever your companion is
@@TeaGamingPanda exactly, I ended up letting the man live and I still go see him sometimes, but now I'm completely wrapped into the undercover UC quests of the Crimson gang lol, almost completed all the quests but so far it is so fun, seriously considering betraying the UC now, if I don't do it today I'll do in my next playthrough for sure.. So many paths you can take in this game, been awhile since a ''real'' rpg with so many MEANINGFUL paths to choose came out lol Hell I'm having MUCH more fun with this one than I had with Baldur's Gates 3 lol
@@slevinsleven2775 Felt that, and same! This type of RPG’s are rarely my thing, I’m picky with which game (that’s why I don’t like the newer Assassin’s Creed), but man StarField just hits everything right with me! Like you said with the meaningful paths, as well! Totally invested. RPG’s always interested me, but never got into them or got too confused that I kinda give up. StarField has me strapped me in fully, that I’m more than willing to learn how it works and all that to get the best understanding especially the lore!
Mannnnn, this was a good questline but i feel like i chose the best decision for myself which was to blame orlase. Why, because he killed himself so it wouldn't matter what happened to him since he's already dead. Vae said something about working together afterwards and I LOVE me some more missions and credits. Fuck the UC, fuck the FC and tbh i kinda like the idea of being a space pirate so fuck the fleet but also at the same time i admire them for wanting more credits. Ultimate greediness muhahahaha.
I think this was the best side mission i have ever done in a game
Agreed, a lot bashed this game to be boring but it is fun in its own way & I believe a lot of people also sink hours into it. This quest is one of the best in the game, I wish I had finished it much earlier than waiting for lvl 28 to finish it.
I absolutely love how Hadrian reacted when you told her. She didn't flip her shit like basically all these characters always do. She understands what duty means and what it means to give your word. It was a mature reaction that understands and acknowledges there is another human being on the other end of the situation with thoughts, feelings, motivations, obligations, promises, and so many other facets.
That's rare for me to have seen. Love this game.
I can't decide whether to turn him in or not.. on the one hand he's a sociopathic egomaniac who was responsible for killing dozens with the terrormorph attacks and also betrayed his old war buddy Orlaese.
On the other hand, he was the fall guy for the colony war and didn't necessarily deserve to be executed to begin with (even though his knowledge of the terrormorphs wasn't disclosed) and he is offering to stop future threats to the UC.
A pragmatic person would let him live because he could be more useful, but a just person would see him finally deserve the execution that was staved off.
One of the hardest decisions I've had to make in a game
Yeah, I don't know what to do either. My biggest question is if I don't turn him in. Is there more missions with him?
I spoke too soon, the video just answered my questions. So yes, there are more possible missions with him. I'm kind of interested in those missions...I'm going lie right to her FACE!! 😂
A pragmatic person would recognize he's petty and callous with way he wiped out the Tau colony and made a show in New Atlantis purely out of spite.
Of all places to show off Teramorph, he chose it at a place where they have no means to defend themselves (Tau) and where most people live (NA) instead of say, a fortress colony.
Bottom line, he's too unpredictable
@@pacifica2391 Relax, it's suppose to fun...Not a morality check. I ended up saving him, gave me a mission right away... Besides, there might be a way to take advantage of him.. Turning him in down-the-line after I make money and XP
@@pacifica2391 yeah i turned him in that same night after realizing that
In the end no matter his past and the evil things he did. He saved his daughter by making himself the bad guy. He attacked the UC but ultimately failed. In his failure, the UC finds out the truth about the Taramorphs.
He attacked the UC so that they would green light the effort to stop the terrormorphs
Vae Victus is like the Sith Lord and i am his Darth Vader...his instrument of death! This game is awesome.
I'm not telling Hadrian shit. I am not telling the council shit. Further more the council can kiss my ass, they imprisoned him to begin with. None of this is my business. Just give me my extra mission Mr. Vae vae victus, give me my extra credits and exp and you ALL can kiss my ass. Loners gotta be alone, I'm on to the next mission, peace out bitches. Was a good mission though, made me think waaaaay too much. A+
“The council can kiss my ass”🤣🤣🤣🤣
Right? I could careless. Bro I just want to buy a damn house
@@thedeadzonemaniac5 lol, game is fantastic imo
My character was born in New Atlantis and for rp reasons you'd be very pissed off if you realized a guy who was supposed to be dead orchestrated a terrorist attack in your home city and put your loved ones in danger. And if you knew you could do something to stop it happening again, you would.
@@PaladinThizz My man, well said.
Just like the Crimson Fleet, you can’t actually say (in game) why I chose the to turn in the Fleet or Victus. Victus immediately starts talking about how his name holds weight and influence now. There’s nothing stopping him from doing more damage in the name of “security” or just to ensure his possible release. As for the Fleet, they betrayed each other (or at least plotted to) at literally every opportunity they could. Their bad behavior, both groups, wasn’t going away.
I actually didn't even finish the UC Vanguard questline until Lv100+ and NG+. This was a real good series of quests. There's a lot of moral grey going on here. Personally I exposed the lie but on the flip side I won't be surprised if a player elects to keep the lie going on even if he's trying to play a good aligned character.
SPOILER
I do understand Vae Victis' dilemma during the original Londinion disaster. The truth of how Terrormorphs were made is so simple and horrifying, potentially so devastating to humanity that he did horrible things to keep that knowledge a secret. As distasteful as that was I do understand.
Being one of the fall guy for the end of the Colony War was also messed up once you start digging past the surface. He was sentenced to "die" for peace because of Londinion and Cheyenne. For Cheyenne he was condemned for destroying civilian vessels, but the Freestar Collective were using civilian ships as a shield during the battle.
The points above I did understand as just, up to a point. But it's after all this that his righteousness disappears. Look, I understand the hard choices he made at Londinion and Cheyenne, but he orchestrates the new Terrormorph attacks. There's some shady stuff going on with him and Reginald Orlase, and he sends you after Orlase as a way to tie up a loose end. The two were friends. He's "loyal" to the UC but there's still resentment from Francois Sanon that he was "executed" and then imprisoned for unjust reasons. He's been stuck in a prison cell for many years. He picks out a remote civilian settlement to test what he knew about Terrormorph creation and deemed these people as disposable for it. He does the New Atlantis Terrormorph attack as a twisted way to gain good standing for his clone daughter, and to see the Sanon name be salvaged. People died for this.
The UC doesn't get off in this whole thing IMO. For the simple fact that Francois Sanon's execution was fake and the terms of the Armistice were not complied with. It was all a lie. Then the UC had the audacity to imprison Vae Victis and still made use of his services while he was in a prison cell. Did the UC leadership really believe that there would be no resentment on Sanon's part for using him while imprisoning him at the same time?
I just completed this questline late last night. I do need to see exactly what the UC Cabinet does. They were not happy when presented with the facts. Their head diplomat knew of the secret that Sanon was still alive and he wasn't happy about it because this was going to be a huge risk and a problem later on. The recent events justified his concerns. The president knew and was happy to keep the secret but the Terrormorph attacks angered her. But I haven't seen Vae Victis dead yet with my own eyes. For all I know the UC got angry but still kept him.
What's your advice? Should i lie?
@@raminham1077If you don’t expose Vae Victis, you can continue working with him.
I honestly wanted to punish Vae Victis for what he did. Then I thought that telling the truth would have put an end to his suffering. He doesn't deserve this, he deserves to stay in that cell forever: this is his punishment. Doing this I hadn't to renounce his questline. This looked like a good compromise.
He's obviously not suffering in that cell. It's a 5 star hotel and he was capable of organizing a terrorist attack from there. It would be safer and better to execute him. Who's to say he won't organize another terrorist attack in the name of his honor?
I know many of you let him live simply bc you want to reap the benefits from more side missions. From a gamer’s perspective, I think that is perfectly logical. I mean, what is the main goal for us (gamers)? To play video games and have fun, right? So having more side missions is definitely something we’d enjoy.
Now if you’re talking about morality check, to let him live is a double edged sword. I know many of you will say he is smart and can benefit the colony in a long run, especially if there was another war. He’d be a great advisor. My concern is, he has already proven how dangerous he can be even under containment. He has access and ability to reach the outside world undetected. Say you let him live under the assumption that his knowledge will benefit the colony. I wouldn’t be comfortable with that. For all I know he’s already plotting something big to include his own escape when the time comes. So to me, he is more dangerous than usefulness.
But I let him live, bc I want to play more missions. Nothing to do with who lives, who dies at all 😂
Honestly, this isn't a difficult decision to make. Vae Victus goes down. My only question is about the order of choices. The logical next step after discovering the truth shouldn't be to confront him directly. The logical choice is to report the information to the UC command structure and supply them with the audio recording. However that option isn't available. This irritated me so much that I paused the game just to find a video on this mission so I could vent. Obviously, the writers at Bethesda have never been in investigations. This reaction is childish. Just run straight to the evil genius who has been several steps ahead and tell him before anybody else that you discovered he's the Bond villain? Really?
After finishing the mission, I'm actually disappointed with the missed opportunity for some cloak and dagger shenanigans. Oh well, the story line for this was pretty good up to this point.
@@Cmoth040thats bethesda
Thinking bout how much of a pain it is just to take the elevator down to where he stored(like a hamster)... while there are terminals out there with better rewards than a repeated 2000 bounty.... I think that the fact he still was able to cause a terroristic like act behind closed doors... he needs to not see the light of day...
Vae Victis is like Dresden from The Expanse he's monster but he's a monster who makes sense which makes it really hard to do the right thing and bring the fucker to justice and that's what is really scary about him
This story is so good. I am usually a goodie two shoes in games through and through but this quest has me fucking stumped. The first time where i am truly conflicted about what is right and wrong. I feel like i should tell the truth and have this man executed but then those war criminals get away with their crimes. It's like i see that even what he originally did (bombing the londinion space port was the right move and i think i would have done the same, which was save the galaxy from a xenomorph outbreak and keep the reproduction of xenomorph aliens a secret). It's even understandable that he gets revenge on the UC for unfairly targeting him (obviously not reasonable for killing innocent people). Not only are his motives somewhat understandable but also it allows me to continue to track down the evil people that committed war crimes bring them to justice. Obviously him killing innocent people at the UC space port is unforgivable even if i can u understand the motive of why he did it. It's do you think the people of londonion and the UC space port died deserve justice or the greater causualties and war crimes committed during the war between the UC and the free star collective deserve justice more? Those people are out there evading justice. It would be amazing if the next set of quests from him try to set you up as the co conspirator of dr. Esiel (or whatever the guy he originally set up) and you had to figure it out and then tell the cabinet you lied in order to track down war criminals. This almost reminds me of operation paperclip where the US used Nazi scientists for their space program (obviously the Nazis scientists were not as bad as vae victus lolol)
Dude lol as he was talking to me after finding about the plants on the terramorph mission I was thinking if I turn him in he has us me a co conspirator too lol
Whenever you are confused like that, just imagine that your own brother was eaten appart at Tau Ceti. And then, if you are able, to put all deaths of others that happened or will happend in the future by "criminals" (as you actually have no idea are those are politically picked targets or really bad people) that these monster called them and put them in front of those innocent people of Tau Ceti including your brother, and then make decisions. It's easy to sacrifice others for greater good, but never your own blood.
I told her about him and I didn’t finish because I looked it up and seen you can’t finish the final mission if you do and at where I left off she wasn’t really mad and didn’t tell anyone I didn’t finish the conversation but she was about to help me finish
Yeah, you’re totally right, this is a serious brain teaser. I’m more inclined to side with him. What does he have to lose by doing this, better question, what does he have to gain? The only thing I see that he has to gain is seeing his daughter honored. In regards to these other supposed war criminals, are truly that, or just people that he has a personal vendetta against would be an interesting revelation. Keep in mind I’m only lev 40.
Well Vae Victus is a biological terrorist so he's got to go. The other guys are not really active threats and will eventually be apprehended or die in hiding. Vae Victus is the only one actively committing terrorist attacks
Nah, never told Hadrian. Sanons explanation on why New Atlantis society is such a bad fit on the UC made perfect sense. They're leftovers. Dudes a bad seed, and once you get that, you can use him.
It’s fun to hear the reactions when you lie about Vae Victis until the cabinet meeting.
This is Hanibal Lecter in alternate form.
Fuck this mission man. Ive retracted saves for 3-4 hours just to rewind and not tell Hardian. Im siding with the Vae Victis this time.
What he did was logical, at the end of the war you'd bomb the "forbidden knowledge" that could spark another war. These npcs lets their emotions dictate the moral compass too much.
it's all good and all that shit but if you bombed the forbidden knowledge, and some innocent died with it, you should take the blame. being a hero isn't easy
@55cent15 thats why he was locked up though ? Hasn't he served enough ?
NOPE
@@KiteoHatto
I think that might be true but the whole deceit and terramorph spawning he instigated was undeniably wrong and killed many more.
Was it also logical to orchestrate 2 terrorist attacks that ended in innocent deaths, just so he could make his daughter out to be a hero? And it's easy to say that when you have no ties to any of the dead. Imagine if irl some terrorist orchestrated the bombing of your home city and killed someone you loved, and then admitted that fact, given that situation I doubt you would logically say the same thing. Everything he did was based on emotion and he didn't even destroy the information
I’m sorry, but if you give me the options between: more content and moral good? I’m going to choose more content. I ain’t spend all this money to console NPCs on their daddy issues! Gimme dem credits and let’s go huntin’!
Lmao I'm with you bro
Haha the comment are like the angel me the devil me and then i guess the human me people saying screw the council others saying screw victis others saying its about credits and exp. Love it i ended up not snitching on bro
If I don't turn him in, are there more possible missions with him?
I spoke too soon the video answered that question almost as asked lol I wanna do more missions with him for sure
@@jamiecook3477those missions are repetitive hitman missions with no story to it. It’s a ways of time to be honest.
I am so glad i did this quest line before the main quests… i chose to lie and let him stay in his cell while i hunt down the others. The galaxy wouldn’t be ready to hear the truth, so better to go with his story.
Either way, Vae Victis gets what he wants: redemption for his daughter, and revenge on the UC.
Keep him alive, and the UC keeps their pet human goldfish, while his daughter is free and successful, he remains, a criminal at large, with the UC none the wiser and the most notorious Vanguard as a puppet.
Kill him, and you're freeing him. No longer the toy of the UC he so faithfully served, and grew disillusioned of.
There was no "good guys win" choice here. This was "Francois Sanon wins; period."
here because I can't decide what to do and judging by the comments noone else knows either. Good RPGing Bethesda 👍
one thing I would say though is it seems letting another big monster out to kill the first big monster seems like a bad idea but I'm not sure why they can't do both. Use the Terramorph predators AND follow up with the microbe.
Microbe is too unpredictable and could mutate. That mutation could be worse than the terramorph problem. So I chose no on microbes
It's not a predator it's like a grazing animal that prevents the beginning stages of terrormorphs, the microbe is very likely to evolve over time and will spread throughout the Galaxy probably worse than what we're trying to deal with. It's too easy for Viruses or Bacteria to mutate into being able to infect humans or other life forms in general.
I didn't get 100K I got 12K so don't know what happened maybe my level is too low.
Same here
As far as I can tell it's level based same with legendaries given as quest rewards
got 12k too, thats less then those mini mission rewards...
I got 260000k
It's the difficulty
This is just the trolley problem with extra steps
I screw him and hadrian pretty well
I told hadrian nothing about her dad and i told vae victis thst i won’t tell the truth about him in the cabinet and just in front of the cabinet i told that he is full responsible and shocked hadrin with the revelation that her father is alive a murderer and probably going to be executed 😅
Lying to the president would be the better option since you'll be getting the same rewards anyway
This game has good moments... but they're under like a MOUNTAIN of filler.
So moneywise, it's better to lie and keep her father alive? And without going into the details, does his father will eventually get out if we help him killing his targets? Because on one hands, telling the truth give him what he deserves, but on the other hand lying get rid of other ''bad guys''... And since he's imprisoned, wouldn't it do more ''good deeds'' lying and getting rid of more bad guys, or killing him kind of make no difference on the bigger scheme? Like the targets he makes us kill, would they still be relevant if telling the truth and make him executed? This is such a dilemma, I wanted to get him executed but also wanted more rewards & get rid of bad guys that were not imprisoned...So I did became his hitman for the ''greater good'', but I don't know if sparing him will come bite me in the a** at one point lol. Anyhow, I've keep a saved at the crossroad in case I get F in the end, but I would like to know if I told the truth some free bad guys that I killed would have done more wrong if I didn't lied lol.
Reason I love this side quest, a mystery, badass moments like at Londinion felt like a movie, also the complexity of the story, outcome, and character.
As bad as this guy is and I too want to put him to justice, putting away more criminals would help in the long run. As long as he doesn’t set up more attacks because now WE know the info, and I doubt he would. Still, considering DLC’s and such, who knows. Kinda hope this won’t be the last we see of him or this storyline
It’s incredibly intriguing. Also if you bring your companion, they have to wait outside the cell (as instructed) which I find immersive and smart detail, which also helps with not ruining the relationship with such a complex choice you make in there. Though, be interesting to see their take. They even comment about the attacks and who has done it when you lie or tell truth.
not to mention the implications of the fact that the Major doesn't have clearance from UC to know he's alive nor did the doctor and whoever your companion is
@@TeaGamingPanda exactly, I ended up letting the man live and I still go see him sometimes, but now I'm completely wrapped into the undercover UC quests of the Crimson gang lol, almost completed all the quests but so far it is so fun, seriously considering betraying the UC now, if I don't do it today I'll do in my next playthrough for sure..
So many paths you can take in this game, been awhile since a ''real'' rpg with so many MEANINGFUL paths to choose came out lol
Hell I'm having MUCH more fun with this one than I had with Baldur's Gates 3 lol
@@slevinsleven2775 Felt that, and same! This type of RPG’s are rarely my thing, I’m picky with which game (that’s why I don’t like the newer Assassin’s Creed), but man StarField just hits everything right with me! Like you said with the meaningful paths, as well! Totally invested. RPG’s always interested me, but never got into them or got too confused that I kinda give up. StarField has me strapped me in fully, that I’m more than willing to learn how it works and all that to get the best understanding especially the lore!
Do the bounty missions for him pay well?
Mannnnn, this was a good questline but i feel like i chose the best decision for myself which was to blame orlase. Why, because he killed himself so it wouldn't matter what happened to him since he's already dead. Vae said something about working together afterwards and I LOVE me some more missions and credits. Fuck the UC, fuck the FC and tbh i kinda like the idea of being a space pirate so fuck the fleet but also at the same time i admire them for wanting more credits. Ultimate greediness muhahahaha.
I sided with Victis AND told Hadrian, afterward.
Planning to take her to him as a companion to see that reaction.😈